Citizens don't vote on the constitutional rights of other citizens. Even if a
majority is against these rights they are guaranteed...even his rightto
make his argument...or should we vote on that too?
What is the opposit of straight? "Twisted" that's what the gay life style
So much for keeping Big Government out of our lives. Cons are against Big
Government unless it's THEIR Big Government.The hypocrisy is
Go back to Utah and stay out of DC. We don't want Congressman Chaffetz involving
himself in our local politics. He has no place here. This is beyond contempt.
Chaffetz said: "Thirty-one times in a row when it has come up for a vote in the
states, traditional marriage has always won." Well, guess what? If we would
have waited for a popular vote to allow women/minorities the same rights as
white men, we would still be waiting.I firmly believe it is the
responsibility of the majority (in this case, heterosexuals) to protect the
rights of the minority. Too many people in this country confuse "democratic
republic" with "majority rules". There's a differece, folks.
we should give the residents of DC statehood. They deserve a voice in congress
and two senators. Thats the right thing to do. Some Mormon from Utah shouldnt
have any say at all in what happens in DC.
'I can't wait until we make all the Children in DC GAY!!!! YAY!!! Soon, they
will hear about Gay Marriage in DC in the 2nd grade... - 4:01 p.m.
This is why prop 8 will fail. Because of fear mongers lik this, who used
children as human shields against logic. MA has had gay marriage for almost 6
years now. If a 2nd grader askes, I'm sure a adult would tell him/her gay
marriage EXIST'S, just as they would with straight marriage, right?
Now, does that mean the gay community will come in, guns a blazing and teach a
2nd grader about sodomy? I doubt it. Children do need to
learn in school. And the only thing they will learn from the gay community is
that they exist. No more. Sexual education SHOULD be the responsibility of the
parents. And yet, many do not teach their children these fundamental
things. In gay marriage, the gay community is after MARRIAGE, not
your children. Only haters claim that. And so, when the
foundation for Prop 8 is exposed as nothing more than bigotry and mindless hate,
we will begin to ask WHO started it all.'YAY!!!'
'The people should vote for themselves on something that so fundamentally
changes the nature of their society.' - 4:57 p.m. And yet, when the
question of HOW this changes society, many do not have an answer, correct? Can you give me an example of how gay marriage would affect a seperate,
straight marriage? I didn't think so. No one has ever been able to
give me a factual example of this. Only 'it will hurt my morals' or somesuch.
You know what? Why didn't your morals get hurt with interracial marriage? How
about Utah's constitutional change from 'two people' in marriage to 'one man and
one woman' in '04? These are changes in marriage, correct? Where was your
outrage then? It seems with a (in some cases) 73% divorce rate (not
including all 6 members of a family's marriages together) you only care of
changes of marriage ALLOW another group to enjoy the rights of marriage you
covet. Because trust me, if you can, or are married and you work to
deny it to someone else, coveting marriage is the only thing you do.
Not honor it.
As I read these comments the one that really sticks out to me is regarding a
"protection of traditional marriage." This is such a joke! Heterosexuals have
really screwed up "traditional" marriage. The divorce rate in
America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage 50% percent of first
marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to
Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in
Springfield, Missouri.”According to enrichment journal on the
divorce rate in America:The divorce rate in America for first marriage is
41%The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%The divorce
rate in America for third marriage is 73% Come on people!
Traditional marriage is SO sacred??? Stop getting Las Vegas weddings and then
divorcing after the hangover the next morning. Keep Utah's small-minded bigotry
I live in DC. If approval for Gay Marriage were to come to a vote in DC it would
pass by a wide margin. (Bush only won 8% of the 2004 presidential vote in DC, as
an analogy). The religious right lost this one but they don't want you to think
they lost it fairly and squarely.
For those pushing for a vote in DC, when can I vote on temple marriages for
Mormons? Throw a few million dollars behind scary and untrue commercials in the
South and what do you think will happen? Votes on human rights
should never happen. If someone could raise a real, logical concern against two
gay consenting adults from getting married, please voice them. Otherwise, stop
letting your prejudice dictate laws.
Just so everyone knows, the reason we don't vote on these issues in DC us
because we are not allowed to vote on human rights. That is the law here as it
should be everywhere. Denying someone equal protection isn't something we do
here because its popular. That didn't work out too well when the confederacy did
it 150 years ago. Protecting the rights of minorities is an essential part of
the US constitution. You people don't seem to mind if your hairdesser is gay or
if you get a good laugh out of a drag queen in a movie. You only have a problem
with us when we want to be treated equally. Thinking the instuition of marriage
will be destroyed if we are allowed to marry is ridiculous. If you really want
to fix marriage, why don't you outlaw divorce.
"Also, why should Chaffetz, a Utah rep, play a role in DC's local government?
Afraid you would lose a vote?"But here goes again - because it's in
the Constitution. Because the people of D.C. are upset that this is being
forced on them."You fail to recognize the voice of the people unless
it agrees with you."Try looking in the mirror. The people should
vote for themselves on something that so fundamentally changes the nature of
I can't wait until we make all the Children in DC GAY!!!! YAY!!! Soon, they
will hear about Gay Marriage in DC in the 2nd grade and they will start asking
their mommies and daddies if they can grow up to have same-sex marriages, and
adopt kids, and make THEM gay, too. YAY!!! We are definitely going to turn all
the children gay....every last one of them.
"...respect for traditional marriage... - 10:42 a.m.How can
you have respect for something that fails, half of the time? "My
parents have been married for over 50 years. My brothers and I have a combined
75 years of marriage among the three of us. And we all respect marriage, and
have good ones.See, when you have committed people who are committed
to each other, who work through their problems, who get married with the idea
that it's going to last forever and are willing to work as hard as it takes to
make that happen, it works. Marriages don't fail because the idea of marriage
is flawed, they fail because one or both partners fail to make the necessary
effort. Selfishness can doom any relationship.By the way, that
figure of 50% failure includes all marriages. Including people who get married
and divorced multiple times. If you just look at first marriages, the failure
rate is much lower. If you look at active LDS temple marriages, it's under 10%.
Those people get married with that forever, commitment idea. That it matters
'Thus the voice of the people was ignored and the political will of the
concilmen was imposed upon the voting public without the ablity to vote.' - 1:39
p.m. Not so much. The political will of the councilmen (or women)
was ELECTED to represent the voting public. As I have said in the
past. If you want to get every person's vote on gay marriage, get to work. There are 305 million Americans in our country at this time. The
'legitimate' claim is that we elect REPS in this country. Not mob mentality. Rights of minorities in this country are protects as much as the
majority. In this case, gay marriage, these rights have YET to be provided at
all. And yet it's ok to collect gay taxes, isn't it?
Also, why should Chaffetz, a Utah rep, play a role in DC's local government?
Afraid you would loose a vote? And last, no one has ever answered
why they cannot come up with facts against gay marriage. Not a book over 2,000
years old. You fail to recognize the voice of the people unless it
agrees with you.
How did you manage that in your "marriage". - 11:44 a.m. You
"And just WHO exaclty elected these councilmen? Leprechans? All this talk of how
legislation dosen't 'adhere to the will of the people' but ONLY when it supports
gay marriage"Your claim is false on its face. Unless all of the DC
elected councimen openly stated that they supported gay marriage in their
campain platforms, the people did not directly or indirectly vote for gay
marriage. Thus the voice of the people was ignored and the political will of the
concilmen was imposed upon the voting public without the ablity to vote. Are you scared of a popular vote in DC? If you honestly think the gay
community has the votes in DC to pass the kind of gay marriage initiatves and
legislation that Chaffetz is proposing, you should be chomping at the bit to get
a chance to give the legitimate residents of DC the opportunity to vote on this
issue. So which is it? You want to deprive the legitmate residents
of DC the right to vote on gay marriage or do you favor elected officials or
Court imposing their wills upon the people while the people as a collective body
have no say in the matter?
Way to go Jason !!!You're great and understand the times.Gay mariage
is a cancer of society.
...respect for traditional marriage... - 10:42 a.m. How can
you have respect for something that fails, half of the time?
you are right about one thing they did vote.
I think traditional marriage would win again. - 12:40 p.m. Only due
to the scare tactics many employ against gay marriage. My example? Prop 8. How
many times has the word 'pedophile' been used in this case against gay marriage?
I take no issue with solid, respectful debate. Until
that happens, who is the one who is scared when they use the name of their
belief structure to defend marriage?
Chaffetz hasn't accomplished nothing, he did do something, he talked to TMZ.
It sounds like a lot of gay activist are against letting the people vote on it.
Yes, I know they voted in the representatives that passed it, but that still
isn't the voice of the people. I say let DC vote. If there is a big gay
community there to pass it...then great. But if it gets turned down then there
will be a big stink. I think you guys are scared that it wouldn't
pass if the people voted on it with a ballot. I think traditional marriage
would win again.
"we have children and grandchildren"How did you manage that in your
"marriage". Must have had the assistance of a member of the opposite sex at one
point. I was not aware gay couples could reproduce. Will you demanding that
Correction, In my earlier post I meant to say that we can't file our taxes
together.Repeal DOMA I could use the cash.
@Pagan | 10:42 a.m. Jan. 28, 2010I agree!I think
Chavez's proposal to let DC residents vote on this issue has merit.
Pagan, whether or not I pay attention when I vote is besides the point - and by
the way I do. When information is scarce about candidates for lesser positions
like school board or city council, I've been known to find their phone numbers
and call the candidates up. And they are always so surprised and willing to
talk - cause I may be one of a handful - or the first to do so! Most people pay
attention to the big races, then when they get there on election day, see the
rest of them and vote like I said - either keep the incumbent or throw the bums
out on all the little races.And no, it's not fear on gay marriage.
It's respect for traditional marriage, strong beliefs about morality, and a
desire to keep things they way they have been in every society around the world
for all of recorded history. It's only in the last decade or so that gay
marriage has been legal anywhere. The people of D.C. are mad now -
their city council did what they wanted whether or not the people wanted it.
Chaffez, stop your GRANDSTANDING and start working on some of the problems that
need to be handle. Leave the gay people alone and TSA you are a joke to me frist
trying tosell out the safety of this country on the airlines and now this.
'But now that there's a reason to pay attention...' - 6:44 p.m. If
you do not pay attention when you vote it is no wonder that Utah is being lead
by the party of 'No!' or the GOP for so long. With the $700 million
dollar shortfall of Utah's budget combined with the 3,000 tons of radioactive
depleted uranium, you must be very proud. And I'm glad that you
implied that the people of DC are ignorant in their voting. Because your not,
right? The ONLY reason people call for a vote by the peole in gay
rights is because many use scare tactics or outright hatred to get that popular
vote a certian way. Want to prove me wrong? Let's see how many times
I can count the word 'pedophile' in the Prop 8 case to support traditional
marriage. This is just more of the same. As such more
and more people will be aware of the hatred that motivates a rep from Utah to
meddle in the affairs of DC. Regardless of legalities, many would argue this
promotes 'local goverment' correct?
I am married to a man One of the many that married in california in the time
that we could. , we have children and grandchildren. None of the kid or
grandkids are confused, and they are doing very well, as a parent I think we did
a good job, we have no divorce in the family, or addiction problems, problems
with the law. No children out of wedlock. I seriously wonder how many people out
screaming about the definition of marriage can say the same about their
families? The word does matter to both sides but what is really important is
what you do with it. My wonderful husband and I have done a good job. So why
shouldn't we have the same legal rights and societal respect that other get? One
other thing I pay about 6 thousand dollars a year more in taxes because we can
file our federal taxes together, seem hardly fair.
Let the freak show of hate comments begin. It's truly amazing to see the
comments on isues like this from the boistrous "minority"
Chaffetz....at it again! Grandstanding like heck. This is like his resolution on
illegal immigration. It does nothing and really says nothing of note. Yet he
rolls it out right before re-election and groups like the Eagle Forum have
pittled like a little puppy over it. I swear, the right wing will buy anything
if it includes a few key words. And I mean anything!
1. The US Constitution says that Congress is in control of D.C.2.
Rep. Chaffetz is doing his job. He is on the committee, and the
“ranking” GOP on it.3. Are you afraid that Congress or
D.C. will overturn the D.C. council vote? They may or may not, but they should
vote.4. A large part of the population of D.C. belong to
“black” Christian churches and are hopping made about the D.C.
Council’s action.5. “All hell is going to break
loose,” warned Barry, the former D.C. mayor, after the council voted
12-to-1 Tuesday to recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. “We
may have a civil war. The black community is just adamant against this.”
What happens in other states and in DC can and does affect Utah. Therefore I
support any effort to defeat gay marriage in any venue. I have no issue with
the personal choices made by individuals as long as they do not expect me to
support them in choices I beleive are wrong and immoral. I have the right to
fight for laws which protect marriage between a man and a woman. Thank you Rep.
Chaffetz for doing the right thing.
yes thank you for opening your mouth and proving you are one try rereading the
post you may ind people are claiming this should be a local issue decided by the
counsel and not congress. Maybe before going off on your little holier then thou
diatribe you should try to understand the arguments being presented
Yes, Pagan, the voters elected them. And I'll bet that being city councilmen,
that less than 20% of the voters even voted. That very few people were
considering gay marriage issues when they voted. That half of the people who
did vote didn't even pay attention to who they were voting for, and voted more
based on either "he's been doing ok, I guess, let's keep things the same" or
"throw the bums out and elect the other guy". But now that there's
a reason to pay attention, the next election will hinge on how they voted. And
being that a large percentage of D.C. residents are African American (54%
according to U.S. Census), and African Americans are usually socially
conservative about marriage - whatever they think about other Democrat issues
(see California Prop. 8 where 70% of African Americans voted in favor), it's
highly likely that the next election is going to see some turnover. Especially
if they also get to vote themselves on the issue.
What is this guy so afraid of?
@ Homophobic Mormons:How many wives did YOUR great-great
This has nothing to do with local control. D.C. not being a state is governed
by congress according to the constitution.
I live in Arizona. I believe that a true conservative does not meddle in the
private lives of other people. Mr. Chaffetz is not a true conservative. Perhaps
the citizens of Washington, D.C. should be allowed to vote on the validity of
Mr. Chaffetz's marriage.
Now he's doing things that will get me to vote FOR him. Keep up the good work
Jason! Go after these issues and leave TSA alone. You're the Man !
How refreshing to see so many comments asking Mr. Chaffetz to focus on the
business of Utah.As a resident of the DC Metropolitan area I can attest
that DC support Gay marriage as a matter of principle on Human Rights and Social
justice.The main opponent to Gay Marriage in DC is a Rev. Jackson who
registered his name in DC but lives in Maryland.It seems that Mr. Chaffetz
is "playing" a populist tune for his conservative constituency. He is making
noise in Utah and not in the halls of Congress.Mr. Chaffetz would be well
advised to limit his political expressions to areas he knows. Personally, I
would expect a representative of Utah to be candid and honest with those people
that put him in Congress. But then again, that is just my opinion and a Utah's
With all the problems our country faces, Rep. Chaffetz is concerned with two
consenting adults forming a loving, committed relationship? Really?
'Some of those city councilmen just may find themselves out of a job next time
they come up for election.' - 4:10 p.m. And just WHO exaclty elected
these councilmen? Leprechans? All this talk of how legislation dosen't 'adhere
to the will of the people' but ONLY when it supports gay marriage.
Tell you what? There are 305 million Americans in our country today. To settle
this, I want you to count the vote of each, and every man, woman and child to
reach a conclusion on this. And while your at it, people's opinions
change over time, right? Do it every year. Get to work.
This is to all those who, for some reason not quite clear to the rational
thinking group in this world, decided to go on a diatribe. Did you read the
article at all? Or did you just see the words gay marriage and DC and fly off
the handle on your uneducated, ignorant tirade? Congress has Constitutional
authority over the District of Columbia. As a member of Congress Chaffetz has
authority over DC, even the apparently oh so venerble and infallible city
council. Oh, and "he is the ranking Republican on a subcommittee that oversees
district operations" so therefore...(wait for it) he has authority over DC.
Become educated before you speak because its better to say nothing and be
thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
So, I guess all this talk of protecting 'state rights', or in this case, local
goverment is all a lie whenever Chaffetz thinks he should but in?
"Garner the support, and you'll get your voice. But you won't be able to. Too
bad." --Don't be so sure... with all the misconceptions about
Mormons that people have, all it will take are just a few well placed
“Mormons will destroy marriage and the family” Television ads paid
for by the good Bible Thumpin’ Christians down south and it will probably
easier then you think. Don't underestimate the stupidity of the
Until they get to vote on it. Some of those city councilmen just may find
themselves out of a job next time they come up for election. Let the people
vote on anything this controversial, and have the city council get back to
3:46 p.m. - It would seem to me that the democratically elected officials that
passed this ordinance are more representing the will of the people then some
backwater bigot from Utah County. Buttars? Chaffetz? Your going to
have to be specific. There are many.
The people have spoken! And those people live in DC. Not Utah.
"The Majority of the people who live in D.C. oppose gay marriage. "Please cite your source. It would seem to me that the democratically elected
officials that passed this ordinance are more representing the will of the
people then some backwater bigot from Utah County.
. . . if Chaffetz would just mind his own business. The DC officials have
spoken on this issue. He should just butt out.
States Rights or in this case local DC rights ( Im well aware of DC being
controlled by Congress) . Wake up Jason . Full Body Scans , Gay Marriage only a
matter of time. Also only a matter of time until everyone figures out what a
grandstaning media hog loser of a politician you are . My eyes are wide open to
this fact now.
3:24 poster. Please do not speak for me. I am a native to Utah and
I think gay marriage would be fine.
so if the "majority" of people in DC don't want this then why did the elect
these people into office? it sound like the will of the people of DC did speak
and now chaffez a Utahan is trying to over through their will.
This is what Utahns want! Change Utah, change the world.
'This is what Utahns want!' - 3:24 p.m.To exert your influence
around the world against people who would normally not have a problem with
you? Mission accomplished.
"Is Chaffetz the rep of DC or Utah?"Both.Congress is
given jurisdiction over DC. It's in the US Constitution.The
Congress shall have Power To… exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases
whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by
Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of
the Government of the United States… (The U.S. Constitution, Article I,
Section 8, Clause 17)The Constitution really is a remarkable
document. Its a shame more people don't read it.
If I were in Chaffetz place I would do the exact same thing. Has anyone heard
about the new Jazz Band? The name of the Band is: Barak Obama and the Democrats,
with Nancy Pelosi as Lead Soloist and Harry Reid on drums; and their hit song
is: "Sorry you lost your job; nothing we can do about it."
Why should the Gay Community have to change the word "Marriage"? Tell me how is
that compromising? You actually believe that the word Marriage is just for
The democratically elected representatives of Washington DC's residents, the
City Council, passed this ordinance 11 to 2 after all manner of public hearings
and public input.Now Jason Chaffetz comes along as the Congressional
overlord just to mark his territory for the Utah convention? There's a reason a
freshman congressman with no prior experience can be the ranking Republican on
the DC sub-committee, because no else wants it.
The majority in DC do not oppose Gay Marriage... There is A HUGE gay population
on DC... Keep your ignorance in Utah!
This is what Utahns want! We want to be known as a people that will stand up
for the right thing. More power to Jason Chaffetz .
Diva! Get DOWN from that lime light!
My question is, why does he care about the laws are passed elsewhere?
Truthfully, I don't think he would be very supportive if another (non-Utah)
representative tried to overturn a Utah law, just my opinion.
Is Chaffetz the rep of DC or Utah?
So, because gay marriage should not affect Jason Chaffetz's marriage, he is
against it? Isn't that like saying straight marriage will affect a
gay person? Thanks for nothing Jason. Your shining examples of
accomplishing nothing are being noted.
The Majority of the people who live in D.C. oppose gay marriage. Rep Jason
Chaffetz is doing the right thing as the ranking republican in charge of D.C. As
discussed in the article, there are currently other attempts by the people to
overrule this ordiance. This is just another case of liberal representives (D.C.
city council) not properly representing their constituents. As we have seen
nation wide, no gay rights marriage law has passed state wide by popular vote.
The same would be true in D.C.
rights rights rights...you guys can do whatever you want however you want
whenever you want. why do you have to make the word marriage a part of your
gender-nebulas, family-nebulas confusing, pain causing lifestyle.he's making quite a statement that in all reality does represent how most
people in utah/the country feel. once again whenever its put to a vote it wins.
its only the volvo drivin courts that feel that the people are stupid and have
to fix it.How bout we change the meaning of global warming or
climate control to mean "burn more stuff" what if we ran off to court to have
that changed so that the whole world started burning stuff. Definitions are
important to you too. You've changed the definition of girl to mean boy boy to
mean girl family to mean non-family BACK OFF I don't care if you have the same
rights as hetro-marrages do, i just don't want what you do to be confused with
what we do. Or to have the same title. come up with a different name than
marriage and you'll have my vote. compromise for once
Garner the support, and you'll get your voice. But you won't be able to. Too
I am introducing a bill that will strip the rights of Mormons to get married to
non-mormons. Because "its the right thing to do" based on my own belief system,
you should sponser it in Congress. Please Jason, get out of the
limelight. You may try to pass any law you want as long as I get to vote on
I think people with this type of predjudice and hatred should be voted out of
Quit your posturing and worry about your own constituents!
To Deb:Everyone has the same right to marry. What you want is the
right to change the definition of words at will.Gay activists will
do anything and go to any length to get what they want, and I don't believe they
want marriage. They want respect.Legalizing murder does not make
being a hit man an honorable profession.
Let's just mind our own business, shall we?
DC is not a state. He does have jurisdiction.
I see your attitude torward taking away the rights of others has no local
Chaffetz is right that this is symbolic. It symbolizes his continuing ignorance.
Jason,Your job is to represent the values and the people of Utah, not D.C.
Get your self righteous views out of their lives!
thanks for standing up for local control Chaffetz. Oh wait, that right your not,
I forget repubs only want local control when it fits their agenda. sorry my bad.