So from reading your posts I conclude that all people, old & young, male &
female, bond & free, should never have anything that would be in their way to
cast a vote ... they should be able to walk in, pull the lever, no questions
asked!Of course we could make it easier, lets go door to door & fill
out the ballot for them ... no that would interfere with their lives ... why
don't we just make a family 'Royalty' & never bother with that pesky & annoying
voting thing again.By the way, I did look-up some of the ACORN voter
fraud cases, ... yeah, they are still investigating a bunch of them & ACORN is
dirty as sin ... Would you hire a contractor with as much fraud as them? ... Be
Noexcuse9:55-"If anybody wants to vote, they should be willing to invest the
time to meet the requirements." Spoken like a charter member of the
patent-leather-shoe country-club set. Below a certain income
threshold, you've gotta choose: Invest yer time putting bread on the
table, or invest it jumping through hoops so you can vote. Of
course, that's just the dilemma The Powers intended to create. "Let
them eat cake!"
Jess8:22-"Since there are those (Acorn, etc.) who would fraudently register
voters, ..." Thoroughly investigated. Forty-some ACORN
investigations, thirty-some closed, the rest pending. Upshot: No
evidence ACORN tries to fraudulently register voters. None. (They did get dinged in Nevada 'cos their vote-gitters weren't unpaid).
3:51-"Even if you don't drive you can get a passport." $96 direct
costs. Minimum.Time off from work (unpaid if you're hourly) to run
down the documentation necessary to apply for a passport. Among the
possible complications: When Granddad needed a passport, it turned
out the l'il central Utah town where he was born had no record of his birth. He
had to run down a passel of "good men and true" who'd certify they'd known him
since childhood. Big hassle, eventually resolved. When I
needed a passport, good ol' Utah couldn't find my birth certificate, either.
They finally ran it down-- filed under the wrong date, mother's name spelled
wrong, dad's data missing, etc., etc. All in all, just 'nuther "Poll
Taxy" effort to keep them durn unwashed poor and elderly in their place.
TheRock2:08-"John Fund of the Wall Street Journal has reported ..."Did a Google News search with author: John Fund and source: WSJ. Seven hits. None of them said what you said. If this
isn't an "urban legend" citation, please give substantiation.Thanks.
Iveseenthis..1:52-"... liberals promote this type of law because they know it
opens up the door for illegal votes." Let's see. Making
it more difficult to vote opens up the doors for illegals. Yeah. Up is down. Black is white. Slavery is freedom.
What color is the sky on your planet?
Stam.If my mother couldn't vote because she didn't have a picture
ID, then I would help her get one. If anybody wants to vote, they should be
willing to invest the time to meet the requirements. I don't buy the argument
that retired seniors don't have the "time" to get a legitimate ID. Further, if
time and the cost is truely a problem, then those who are concerned should
establish a non-profit foundation to help these potentially disenfranchized
citizens. Also, I don't accept the premise that there isn't
fraudulent voting taking place. Nobody is doing a thorough verification on who
is voting and who may have illegally registered. Why it would be illegal, I can
write down any name on a voter registration, register in multiple jurisdictions
and vote multiple times and it would be unlikely any body would discover the
fraud. Further, many elections have been decided by only a few votes.It is interesting that one person has already tried to blame the results of
the Massachusetts election on voter fraud. I guess it's only fraud when a
Republican and/or conservative unexpectedly wins....
Those cards have Social Security numbers on them. A dropped card and another
problem. Idenity theft. Real dumb idea. State ID cards are available to all and
more secure. One illegal voting is one too many if it can be stopped. We show ID
for everything else in life. They have yet to bring forth 1 person who can not
get id who wants to vote.
If you are voting, and you doubt a persons legal status, you can "challenge"
their vote (just state to the judges that you are challenging their vote),
requiring further proof, or clarification from the recorders office. Most people
are not aware this exists for citizens.
My Elderly mother has no driver's license and has no other government issued
picture ID. She is to old to travel so why have a passport. She has been a
registered voter for over sixty years though. She lives in an extended care
facility and is very "with it" politically. She couldn't vote last year because
she had no picture ID nor a utility bill with her address on it. She needs this
bill so she can vote again. She is NOT the illegal person the eagle forum seems
to think she could be. Give her and many others in her situation a break
Since there are those (Acorn, etc.) who would fraudently register voters, we
need some way to protect the system. One thing that should be done would be to
make it a serious crime to be involved in any way with voter fraud. One
penalites should include heavy fines and never, ever being able to vote again.
Our forefathers fought died for our right to vote. To in any way undermine this
sacred right is deplorable.
When I worked for the health department and the motor voter program allowed
people to register to vote at any clinic, they only filled out the form and
signed it and mailed it in. There was no proof offered that they were citizens.
We need a way to verify that people are citizens or they should not be allowed
to vote. Period.
"There is only one way to let you vote, PROVE THAT YOU ARE A LEGAL CITIZEN OF
THE USA."Which you do when you *register* to vote. The law (which
passed last year) requires you to bring your ID when you actually vote. If you
have provided sufficient proof of your citizenship when you registered to vote,
why should it necessary to bring a photo ID when you vote?Studies
have shown that there is no evidence of illegal immigrants attempting to vote in
any substantial amount, so this law is a solution to a problem that doesn't
exist. Utah is already among the lowest states for voter turnout; we don't need
to be making it more difficult to vote.
With the four hour lines at the DMV, it is very difficult for an elderly person
to get an ID. The legislature needs to fix the problem that they created. They
need to take responsibility. I sometimes think that the some republicans would
rather disenfranchise numerous legitimate elderly voters just to stop a few
illegal votes. I worry more about computer programmers rigging a vote than I do
about illegal immigrants.
I wish the Eagle Forum would just leave. They are the most
obnoxious-in-your-face-special interest-lobby group in the entire state.
We moved & this last year to vote I had to get my valid forms of ID to prove I
was legal to vote, no problem.Even though the lady doing the
re-register had been my neighbor for over 10 years, she still had me drive home
& get the valid forms of ID.To have a legal election, it must be
voting by the Citizens of the US ... The Constitution, Amendment 14, Section 1,
also Amendment 15, etc.There is only one way to let you vote, PROVE
THAT YOU ARE A LEGAL CITIZEN OF THE USA.
By just letting anyone who shows up vote is an invitation to let people vote
multiple times. What is to stop you from going from polling place to polling
place and casting multiple votes? Utah currently has a form of same day voter
registration which allows your vote to count if you are registered anywhere in
the State and can show you live within a given precinct.
Geez, just what I wanted another right wing conspiracy to get all worked up
about. All the illegals are waiting in line to vote in Utah. Sorry, they're to
busy working overtime at McDonalds and Daybreak to vote. Or, maybe the
republicans just don't want minorities to vote at all.
But what about the people who come vote in your precinct whom the election
officials may not recognize? What then?
Even if you don't drive you can get a passport.
It seems quite ridiculous to me to show ID to my 4 neighbors who are manning the
polling location when I've known all of them for almost 20 years.I
think the current law is pretty stupid.If we are worried about
illegals voting here, perhaps we should be more worried about illegals BEING
With all the fraud being perpetrated by citizens and representatives of the
goverment it seems we almost need to have some form of photo ID. Let alone the
occasional undocumented alien who thinks he should vote.
Enact...2:15-"There is no excuse for citizens not to have a valid picture ID."
Spoken like an upper-class citizen "blessed" with a tin ear. A couple of excuses: Money. Time. Enact-"If a non-citizen votes, ..." This just doesn't happen. Retail voter fraud is a sucker's game, anyway; I recall reading there've
been about 40 allegations of such in the last several decades. Just
as employee theft causes a lot more "shrinkage" than light-fingered shoppers, in
voting it's the "inside jobs" that we need to worry about. Like the
entire precincts that voted for LBJ, showing up to vote in the order they were
entered in the registration book. Like the Repbulican mafia of Clay
County, Kentucky, who fixed elections for decades without any recourse to
fraudulent voters. Like the easily-hacked voting machines that have
no audit trail (used to great effect by the Clay County gang, and also a staple
in the recent Massachusetts vote-- where exit polls were suspiciously off in
should look into issuing photo ID's to all LEGAL citizens, no matter their age.
Anyone who wants one could get one. It might even be a good idea for children
in the event they become lost - a photo ID to renew every year and to use as
Doesn't the GOP rule up there? If they want to make a law they will do it with
or without objection. That is the way they roll.
There is no excuse for citizens not to have a valid picture ID. If the ACLU is
so concerned about the few that for some reason have been "missed", then it
should expend some of its resources to rectify the situation. In reality, this
is a "red-herring". There is far more evidence of non-citizens and fraudulent
voting, than there is of seniors who can't present a legitimate photo ID. If a non-citizen votes, it should result in immediate deportation and
prohibition from ever entering this country again.
John Fund of the Wall Street Journal has reported the congress is planning to
introduce something known as Universal Voter Registration. This would require
the states to register everyone who appears on any list controlled by the
state.Welfare ListsDrivers license ListsProperty tax listsPrisoner ListsIf you own 3 homes and have a drivers license and
have 3 cars registered with the state, you would be registered to vote 7
times.This would come out just before the elections so there would not be
time to purge the duplicates. These lists also include illegal aliens.ACORN's mode of operation is to dump thousands of registration forms on the
government too close to the election to eliminate illegal voters.This is just more of the same. When Democrats can't win an election they
change the rules.I live in Seattle. We got saddled with a lousy governor
who has driven us billions into debt by increasing state spending by 17% a year
in the good years.
could step in and help everyone in that community get a State-issued ID card.
What would happen if some law enforcer was to stop grandma or grandpa and
require proof of who they are, and they are unable to do so?It is
not an inconvenience to show an ID, proving that you are who you say you are,
when you have the privilege to go and cast a vote.The only people
that are complaining about having to show an ID, are the ones that try to game
Across the nation liberals promote this type of law because they know it opens
up the door for illegal votes. This is a very old tactic. They use the elderly
or others as shields for their motives. Their next step is to allow
any votes if the voter shows up with a utility bill with their name on it. Then
they make judge officals determine if the vote is valid after the fact. That
burden is too great and thousands of illegal votes are cast.Once
again progressive means deceptive.
Dear Anonymous:If you'd ever spent any time up at the Capitol during
a legislative session, you'd know for sure that the Eagle Forum ladies do indeed
"just hang out" there and make dumb comments. Gayle Ruzika (and her endless
knitting projects) are a permanent fixture in the legislative hearing rooms.
Yep, they are right there next to the ACLU, gay rights advocates, and
environmentalists on the front lawn of the Capital building. If we get rid of
the Eagle Forum, does that mean we can get rid of all the other trash that
lobbies the legislature?
Reality should be that ANY person could show up at a polling place and vote in
ANY election without having to register or anything, and simply show a drivers
license to do so. Unfortunately, the powers that be are horrified at that idea,
because the masses just might all show up and vote and they couldn't control the
vote any longer. o they will continue to put as many obstacles and barriers in
place as possible to ensure a minimum of people vote (while publicly making much
ado about how few seem to) to ensure they can retain control of the country.
Voting is a farce, and if anyone thinks they have any power by voting, or that
we the people is little more than words, I have some beach front property in
Arizona to show you. We are just sheep to clip regularly, and toss a bone to on
occasion, but we control nothing...
Does the Eagle forum just hang out during legislative sessions so they can
comment stupidly on every piece of legislation that is going through the