Utah Jazz blister the nets — and the Nets


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  • Risky
    Jan. 25, 2010 1:57 p.m.

    RE: Cellar dweller losses

    We also, collectively, like to bemoan our road losses. Phoenix is something like 1-11 since November on the road and Denver is only marginally better. The road is tough on everyone except Lebron and Kobe. They get the calls, wherever they go.

  • BP on Cellar Dweller losses
    Jan. 24, 2010 11:42 p.m.

    This is a good time to remind everyone that the Jazz haven't lost to any more Cellar dwelling teams than the rest of the top teams in the League. I've been saying this for a while, and in the Jazz broadcast against the Nets, Boler or Booner mentioned that David Locke had researched it and came to the same conclusion. That's because it's the truth. Look at even the best teams and they've lost some ridiculous games (home and away). It just happens, because the NBA is tough no matter who you play. Except the Nets it appears...but even they've punked 3 other teams this year for wins.

    The 2 bad ones were Sacramento and Minnesota at ESA. Denver was embarrassing, but they're the 2-3 seed in the West. We have lost some tough ones, but I think we've won more of the games we're supposed to this year than last year. And I predict it getting even better, because now we have our swagger back. And it's a DEFENSIVE swagger, which is a huge difference from last year. Go Jazz! 10 straight.

  • BP
    Jan. 24, 2010 11:31 p.m.

    @ Todd:
    Wasn't it you that wanted us to trade for Caron Butler?? And now you throw him under the bus. Ironic that you mention him dissing his coach. I could see you doing the same thing if you were a player...thinking you're smarter than the coaches. You certainly think you have "old Jer" (as you call him) figured out. Like I said before about Butler, he will be too old in a couple years when we're in the NBA Finals. Haywood, sure I think he could be a nice edition. But would I give up Okur, probably not. Haywood can't score, and as you've pointed out Memo can at least sometimes play good defense. I'm not saying you're advocating a trade Memo for Haywood...just making the parallel. IMO If we could get Haywood for Fez or Koufos, I'd consider it...but it's not happening.

  • Doc
    Jan. 24, 2010 8:29 p.m.

    Hey Miles...Give it up on all the CJ talk...It isn't going to happen!

  • stock2malone
    Jan. 24, 2010 7:46 p.m.

    Will you yahoos who keep on saying San Antonio is a small market please shut it! This is the information age and you fools should be able to look up the census bureau populations of us cities and see that San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the USA. Yes 7th!! is that small market? seriously on this board there is so much talk about the wonders "small market SA" does. It's unbelievable the ignorance of some people.

    Oh and todd. New jersey has brook lopes. Robin, his twin, plays for phoenix.

    Look, as one of the people who has been disgruntled by the jazz this season. I say that even if this indeed jerry's most talented team ever...who cares if they aren't giving all their effort. Do we want players who find it ok to only give maximum intensity part of the season. I, as a fan, want them to be the best. play like (gag) the lakers and try to kill every single team. They may have (some) talent but get rid of the slakers and get us a new coach!!!

  • Miles
    Jan. 24, 2010 5:36 p.m.

    Todd would you please give it up on all the trade talk. It is not going to happen. Be realistic.

  • B.R.
    Jan. 24, 2010 2:58 p.m.

    If Jerry Sloan works Fesenko into the rotation ( 12-20 mins. ) I believe the Utah Jazz will have a very good second half of the season and into the playoffs. An experienced Fes could greatly benifit us against teams with longer, tough inside players.The type of players found on ligitimate playoff contenders. Working Fes into the rotation will help us so we don't wear out our other bigs. So they can be more productive and energetic during their minutes on the court. In my opinion Todd, Fes could be better than Haywood with some playing time. However if Jerry is not going to utilize Fes then some one like Haywood could help us in the paint. For certain,( like Chuck Nunn has been saying.)we need a big true center in the rotation to back up Okur. Against the taller longer teams in the playoffs, small ball will not get you the wins.

  • todd to houdini
    Jan. 24, 2010 11:24 a.m.

    Haywood is the big man we should get, did you notice he had 18 rebounds the other night?

    i say Haywood, because we cannot get Okafor.

    I agree one big man could make us a #2 seed. the question is what can we give up for that? Hope someone would take Miless off our hands and tat would be part of a deal. I heard the other night end of a game in a last play cal on a timeout, Caron Butler ignore the coach (bad)drawn up play and did his own thing and they lost.

    I think if you could throw then an expiring contract like Brewer, there I only in a scenario for a quality center would think of dealing Brew.

  • Houdini
    Jan. 24, 2010 10:39 a.m.

    Koufos looks clumsy...I mean really clumsy,maybe the added weight? Hopefully Sloan can get Fes some quality minutes,and I mean early minutes,not garbage time,still we are a middle of the pack team,that`s it ,but can`t help but thinking that one quality big man could change that.dream on...

  • Be Careful With Judgements
    Jan. 24, 2010 10:12 a.m.

    This team is definetly playing better lately, but what about the 1st half of the season? One of the highest payrolls and what did we get? In truth not much effort! Now if they want to show us this lastest effort we could possibily move up in the standings and have a respectable year. If they do that I personnally will be happy, but we need to be shown that effort the rest of the season because anything less will not be acceptable.

  • What's That?
    Jan. 24, 2010 9:47 a.m.

    Sure its the Nets but overall lately this team is starting to look like the team Jerry was talking about when he said they were one of the most talented he has ever coached.

    I'm sure this must really frustrate all the Sloan haters/whiners/bashers.

    Same coach, same system, same players, and suddenly they are looking pretty good.

    The difference?

    We can all see it.

    Player performance/effort/execution!!

    That was the problem when they were struggling too.

    This is a players game. Sloans system has not accidentally won 63% of their games for 23 years. When players decide to run it properly and put in the effort it will make mince-meat out of opponents most of the time.

    As with any team we still have matchup problems but that is nothing but player matchup issues. Taller players are taller players and we don't have the tallest.

    Some stats?

    We are the only team in the league this season to beat most all the top teams ie. Lakers, Magic, Spurs, Cavs, Mavs.

    Another surprising stat?

    We only have 3 losses to sub .500 teams!! That is less than Denver or Portland.

    Dang Sloans system!!

  • Okur
    Jan. 24, 2010 9:32 a.m.

    I have to give him some credit on defense as well.

    The fact remains though this offensive burst is only because we are at home. He will disappear when we play in Portland on the road.

    As far as Fesenko, he is making enough improvement and the Jazz will sign him.

    It tough for him to get alot of minutes when you are paying Okur and Millsap what you paid them.

    Jerry only uses him in situations that he feels Fess will be reasonably successful. Helps with his confidence.

    Koufus looked worse last night than he did in his rookie year. UNFORCED traveling turnovers etc were just awful. That boy needs to get to work.

    No Mystery.

    Deron pushes/runs the ball like crazy and we win. I'm glad Deron is getting more consistent at pushing the ball. He did it in San Antonio for most of the game and it is the reason we won there.

    Injury healing? Hmmm? Not sure.

    Grinding in the half court seems to bore our team and they look disinterested. They have fun running and passing the ball.

    Our turnovers have generally been lower lately as well.

  • Look where we would be
    Jan. 24, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    if we had taken care of business with the timberdogs.

  • @ @Sad
    Jan. 24, 2010 8:37 a.m.

    You are sad for thinking that any elite player would want to play in Utah. What player coming out of college or Europe is the caliber of what Duncan was when he came in the league? John Wall is not. He is supposed to be the best player out there right now? Most small market teams won't get the elite players. The only exception may be San Antonio, but even they only get 2nd tier free agents. Name a small market team that is getting top-tier players.

    Be happy with who we have and hope we can get some decent players via draft or free agency.

  • Chuck Nunn
    Jan. 24, 2010 2:33 a.m.

    Spurs actually had someone else's pick and won the lottery when they drafted Duncan. I really don't think the Nets are trying to lose, but that lineup has a lot going against it. Those guys will be very good somewhere down the line, but right now they're paying heavy dues.

    Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!

  • @Sad
    Jan. 24, 2010 1:13 a.m.

    The Nets are tanking this season so they can get the #1 pick, plus have enough payroll to try to get lebron and another all-star free agent like bosh. if I had the opportunity to do something like that, i wouldnt think twice. San Antonio did it the year before they got Duncan and it ended up delivering 4 rings. wish the jazz would be gutsy enough to take a risk like that, it would sure make the off season more exciting than last year's snooze-fest.

  • Chuck Nunn
    Jan. 24, 2010 12:17 a.m.

    continued from my last post ...

    And when he takes on there and is giving us a hard time in the paint, Jazz fans are going to wonder why we didn't keep him. The best hope for us there is if the Jazz don't retain him, he gets a juicy offer from Europe and heads back across the pond. But we would benefit SO much more by keeping him here. Koufos, will get his shot down the line, although we could have used him several times this season, but Fesenko? His time is now, and he needs to start getting into the mix.

    Peace out from the Jazz Oracle.

  • Chuck Nunn
    Jan. 24, 2010 12:13 a.m.

    Well, Doug, I have to agree with you about Okur. Been waiting for him to break out, and I'm glad he did. Hopefully it's the start of better things to come for such an awesome fellow. However, I'm going to have to take a bit of issue against the judgement of Koufos during the "chaos minutes" that regularly come at the end of such a blowout as this. Four turnovers is never pretty at any point in the game, but if he'd been getting the minutes he needs all along, he'd be better versed in what's going on. But he's not the guyh I really worry about. He's already been picked up for his third year, and the team has that fourth year option that I know they'll pick up. It's Fesenko who needs the minutes this season, and I'm hoping he gets them when his ankle is healed up. The Jazz can make him a qualifying offer, but if he doesn't get more opportunities to show what he can do, he may end up with another team, maybe even a team that's struggling now.

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 24, 2010 12:02 a.m.

    The Nets are worse than the 73 Sixers-by far,personnel wise. At least they had Fred Carter,John Trapp, Leroy Ellis, John Block. They had more NBA talent than a team based on largely Robin Lopez.

    Forgetting the score tonight and the opponent, it is to focus on what the Jazz did well that will need to be equaled against better opponents Phoenix and at Portland never easy to win at.

    Ball movement, defensive aggressiveness. Boozer having his way down low at will, Kirilenko active helping a lot of areas. Many steals. Price, Millsap and Matthews all superb off bench keeping intensity level.

    Actually shocked at "a recent effort resurgence of Okur on defense".

    He seems to be a player if scores early he is a factor all game.

    He actually is blocking more shots, and making a better effort-tonight he actually made a driver go to his right and try and avoid, and DWIL came from his man to strip the ball away.

    This proves even Okur slow at times and not maybe overly gifted quick hands or feet, can make "the effort to be an adequate defender"

  • effort
    Jan. 23, 2010 11:48 p.m.

    the key was the effort-
    this was a prime game for the jazz to play down to
    a bad opponents level....and they didn't! that's a huge step up from the past few weeks.....effort against a bad team not on national tv-if they bring it like that the rest of the season, we'll be making some noise....

  • effort
    Jan. 23, 2010 11:46 p.m.

    the key was the effort-
    this was a prime game for the jazz to play down to
    a bad opponents level....and they didn't! that's a huge step up from the past few weeks.....effort against a bad team not on national tv-if they bring it like that the rest of the season, we'll be making some noise....

  • THEeyepatch
    Jan. 23, 2010 11:19 p.m.

    Measure your self against a bad team. Jazz are rolling, good to them.

  • Sad
    Jan. 23, 2010 11:12 p.m.

    Somebody should fire the Nets' front office. Pathetic. They should refund half of all the tickets sold by the Jazz for that game.

  • A big VICTORY ,Jazz116-83
    Jan. 23, 2010 10:40 p.m.

    Win win We are the
    Champions with some cross fingers...

  • Ak Fan
    Jan. 23, 2010 10:39 p.m.

    It's sad see how low gone Nets.

  • Doug
    Jan. 23, 2010 10:33 p.m.

    Oh boy it is even fun to beat a cellar dweller.

    Chuck I would like to point out that even though Koufous played against NJ he still is not prepared to play in this league. He needs years to mature and I for one hope the Jazz give him the time.

    I am wondering about Gaines and if he is going to get an extension. These guys off the bench need to be ready to step up and dominate or at least play at an NBA level and I did not see that tonight

    Good to see Okur shine and good job Millsap.