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Published: Friday, Jan. 22 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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What is all this ranting? As I understand, Prop 8 was only about gay marriage, not "you can choose to be gay" or "it's immoral to be gay" etc, etc,. It was about the definition of Marriage. And the people have spoken. I don't care if you're gay or what you do at home or in public (well, to a point on public), but the issue is marriage. Marriage has always been for men and women only and should always be. This is all about wanting to have about the only "right" they don't have; and by definition, shouldn't have.


re - --- Involuntary H8er | 2:35 p.m

["I think the laws are there to prevent drug use and crimes and to help drug abusers and other criminals recognize the err of their ways and go on to lead a constructive meaningful life."]

so to be gay is a "err of their ways"? gays do not "lead a constructive meaningful life"?

you do realize that a drug addiction and a drug dealer are two different things, right? and that most drug dealers DON'T do drugs? so your argument is wrong right off the bat. or are you naive?

["Loss of temper is mostly not a choice, so why do we punish murder?"]

because it harms other people. as do drug dealers. gays harm no one (or at least they don't do it because they are gay - there are gay criminals though).

until someone can give me a REAL reason not to allow gays to marry, I will support gay marriage. and if you try to give me reasons like that Tam guy in the article, then you have WAY less sense than I even thought possible. seek help.


metamoracoug|2:12 p.m. Jan. 22, 2010
"I understand that some may think that "what happens behind bedroom doors" is nobody's business. Such reasoning is myopic, however. There are few decisions I make that do not effect others."

You are right! 100%! And seeing that you are right I want a list, in detail, of all the acts between you and whoever is behind that closed door with you, I also want the name of the person with you and that persons preferences. I want to know the number of times also. I also want a full history of all your past partners.

Go ahead, you can just post them here, remember to use everybodies real name in your post. Please hurry and get the information together. We will wait. In fact I think I will just come over tonight and observe leave the door unlocked, I'm going to bring friends. We will let you know what we disagree with.

And remember, you are right.

re Involuntary H8er

Just comparing gay people to murderers and drug dealers tells us all we need to know about you. Involuntary? Don't think so.

This I believe

RE: GregL
Open your heart and your mind will follow


Marriage is a religious point it should have never been included in government. Just to be clear if the courts rule that gay marriage is legal they rule in favor or polygamy and any form of marriage (seven men and seven women could marry). Are you ready for that?

re -- Anonymous | 3:19 p.m

["Homosexuality is un-natural"]

ok. lets get something straight (no pun intended). to you it seems unnatural because you are not gay. but come up with a different word (just like you want gays to come up with a different word than "marriage").

you see, being gay is 100% natural. 3%-4% of the entire animal kingdom is gay. your statement is the same as saying left-handed or red-haired is unnatural. it's not. learn something about nature.

["Two men are not "sexually compatible" with one another."]

Incorrect - I suggest you take an anatomy class.

["Many of the gays I've known have had some dysfunction in their youth, such as physical, mental or sexual abuse."]

yes - from the likes of you. and yet they are still gay. ask yourself this... if gay is a choice, why would ANYONE choose to be gay?

and then you have the people saying "just don't act on it". then they go home and sleep with their spouse. can't get much more hypocritical than that.


'Some of these “professional” statements are misleading, and may be propaganda.' - 3:20 p.m.

JM. So, are you upset that BYU supports that a person's orientation cannot be changed?

Or that you have no facts to present that it CAN be changed? As you have presented no facts yourself, only tried in vain to cast doubt on the results spanning over 30 years done by many, many experts.

No, no. 850,000 doctors and psychologists, including those from BYU, spanning over 30 years, are bias in favor of gay marriage, right?

Please present one shred of fact in your next post.


Anonymous | 3:19 p.m. Jan. 22, 2010
Homosexuality is un-natural. What is the purpose. Two men are not "sexually compatible" with one another. If you argue that they are, then I guess we are all "sexually compatible" with any number of species and objects as well. I don't want homosexuals to be persecuted, but I don't condone or agree with it either. Marriage is between a man and a woman'


Is marriage only about sex? No, unless you have a very limited and myoptic one.

Marriage is about attachment that you feel towards a certain individual. It has to do with respect, character, and feeling complete in their presence.

Sex is merely an expression of the love you feel.

Gay marriage is no different. I feel sorry for you if you do not understand this.


"Such as that children raised by gays are more likely to be gay, thus more likely to have other ills.) "

I need a citation for this statement. It goes against every study that I have read on this.

Gay parents have the same percentage of their children that become gay as straight parents - about 2-4%.

Do you know where you got this information?


I appreciate your beliefs, but disagree with them. I knew I was different at the age of 8 or 9. I never looked at porn, I never was abused physically/mentally.

I believe that God is perfect as well, and when He made gay, He knew exactly what he was doing.


all I can say is that anytime you people want to have a REAL vote with no outside interference and no scare tactic ads and fliers, you let me know. I can make some money betting the pro-gay-marriage side. vegas, baby!

war or words

The conflict and dispute here is all about words, definitions, semantics. The biggest obstacle is redefining the traditional definition of marriage. Allowing marriage to mean more or less than the union of a woman and a man changes what marriage is and has been. People will fight to defend this definition. Personally, I support civil unions or domestic partnerships, as I suspect the vast majority of Americans would support as well. Marriage should stand as it is. The movement to redefine it will always encounter opposition.


Marriage is a religious point....

Uh, no. Marriages can, and do, happen at any city hall in Ameirca. The 'woulda, shoulda, coulda, argument about that marriage SHOULD have been kept in religion is moot. As goverment gives legal benifit to YOUR marriage, correct?


'Just to be clear if the courts rule that gay marriage is legal they rule in favor or polygamy and any form of marriage...' - 3:38 p.m.


Can you cite the supreme court rulling in the last 30 days that supports that?

Or are you simply making things up?

Elementary School

If any of the homosexuals who are posting on here can answer me sincerly and honestly about my question I will reconsider my stance. When in Elementary school and all the kids were going out or realizing their attraction did you ever honestly feel that you were attracted to the same sex and think that you wanted to ask little joey out instead of Sally? I have yet been able to get an answer out of any of the gay people I have asked this too. When do they tell me they realized they were gay. They say it was in their teenage years or early adult hood. Don't we always say how confused we are during our teenage and early adulthood. When are minds are the purest and not confused with all the sexual propaganda, can you say you were attracted to the same sex? If so I would love to hear your story.


From an article published in the NY Times on 05 Nov 2009 titled, "What’s Good for the Kids"

“These children do just fine,” says Abbie E. Goldberg, an assistant professor in the department of psychology at Clark University, who concedes there are some who will continue to believe that gay parents are a danger to their children, in spite of a growing web of psychological and sociological evidence to the contrary."

"In most ways, the accumulated research shows, children of same-sex parents are not markedly different from those of heterosexual parents. They show no increased incidence of psychiatric disorders, are just as popular at school and have just as many friends. While girls raised by lesbian mothers seem slightly more likely to have more sexual partners, and boys slightly more likely to have fewer, than those raised by heterosexual mothers, neither sex is more likely to suffer from gender confusion nor to identify themselves as gay."

This I believe

RE: GregL
Open your heart and your mind will follow

Want to fix this mess?

This is how you do it. Get the Government out of the marriage business. From now on they no longer are allowed to issue Marriage Certificates. Instead if anyone wants to have LEGAL recognition of their relationship, they would have to get a Civil Union (gay or straight. Doesn't matter)

You would have to go down to the courthouse to have it officiated over by a Justice of the Peace or some other Government official. Then if you want to be "married" you can go to your religious institution and have them preform the marriage ceremony. (Again Gay or Straight because not all relgions feel homosexuality is a sin)

This would allow Homosexuals to get the rights and benefits from having their union legally recognized, and it would allow the religious folks to keep their "traditions" as well.


This is about the definition of marriage and the courts can etablish equal rights for all without changing the defintion of marriage as something other than between one man and one woman. The persecution that the gay and lesbian community feels is very understandable because it has been mean spirited and offensive which then reciprocates the same. Heterosexuals (my self included) should be very careful about passing judgement and acting like we know what someone else is feeling. At the same time we can try to help maintain the definition of marriage in a manner that we believe is defined by God without trying to undermine the other rights that 'government' has tied to marriage. The rights that government has tied to a marriage relationship can be considered for all without recognizing homosexual relationships as "marriage." This is a difficult and sensitive topic that needs to be addressed with a perspective of love and respect for all regardless of sexual orientation.

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