I'm not naive or uneducated. In fact I have a masters degree.I'd
pay more taxes if it went to our public schools. At least in Utah I would.
Utah public schools get more bang for their buck than any other state in the
union. We are the example of how to run an education system.My
taxes in Utah are LOWER than any other place I have lived. I'd be happy to pay
a couple of hundred dollars more if it went to our public schools. I already
donate to my local school when I can. I wouldn't mind if they just
automatically collected it from me in taxes.Really I wouldn't mind.
to QuiviveI said half not all government programs. Your love affair with
all things government is bankrupting this country. Look around the country
from California to Michigan to Pennsylvania for examples. Do we really want
that here. The unemployment rate is up to 6.7 percent. We all pay too much in
taxes. If you don’t pay income tax they’ll get you somewhere else.
Government has to do some things just not everything. There are priorities
that are severely hurt by the growth of the bureaucracy. It is immature to
spend money when you can’t afford it.
I bet if the State Hospital went away overnigt you would be out on the street
and may notice it. Where do you get off making statements like you
do?You are a poor example of a Citizen of the State of Utah. As a
Citizen you are required to pay taxes. If you don't like paying
taxes take it up with the IRS, they know how to deal with your kind.I bet you would like the IRS to go away too.
Government organizations waste money? Do you think they are there to make a
profit? What planet are you on? I know your kind, you like to say stupid things
like "Medicare is in the hole, they are loosing money!!" Well, no kidding? They
don't make money, they spend it and we pay for it. It is not an agency that
turns a profit. They are good at spending other people's money? Yes, that is
what they are paid to do, and as you say they are good at it, your complement is
accepted! Thank you.
I've never met those 53%. They must be from Narnia. Does anyone believe Utah
is more liberal than Massechuttes. Most people would never know if half the
government programs went away overnight.
I can honestly say that anyone who is for raising taxes is completely uneducated
or horribly naive. Government organizations waste money. Look at the post
office, the war, the DMV, UDOT, public school, the health department, the IRS,
etc. Are ANY of these run efficiently? Would any of them survive in the free
market? No. Why? Because they know that we have no other place to go and that
we'll keep sending our money their way. I don't blame them, they have no
incentive. I doubt that even 25 cents of every tax dollar actually helps the
public. All the rest is tied up in paying needless employees to work
ineffectively. They are very good at spending other people's money.
I just don't trust anything Dan Jones Says anymore......I can't believe people
actually believe the Govt will invest their money and spend it better than they
can........How much of your tax dollars actually make it to where the need is?
78 cents? 72 cents? If my wife went to the grocery store and came home with 72
cents worth of groceries for every dollar I gave her.....she would lose her job
and she would say the same thing to me.......the days of Obama/JFK big govt are
over.....it doesn't work....it is bankrupting the USA......vote these Big Govt
Dudes out of office......Infact I would take it one step more....for every
politician who has been in office more than 8 years?...Kick 'em to the CURB!
There are about two right wing nuts (perhaps 1) that are posting 90% of the
posts on this page. It makes it sound like everyone in Utah is selfish, but it's
only about 50%. The other 50% are Democrats. These two posters above think they
pay 100% of the taxes collected in the State. They are probably small business
owners that avoid paying any taxes.
Thanks for throwing all liberals under the bus. There are many like me who are
not from here and have been transferred here for work. I make a good wage, psy
my taxes, donate where I deem appropriate. I work long hours in a scientific
field - definitely not lazy. I also served in the military for twenty years -
how about you? You guys don't have the market on hard work and patriotism.Perhaps all conservatives are hypocritical, bellying up to the trough to
educate their five childrn per family with income tax they don't pay because of
the number of exemptions and deductions.Maybe we shouldn't paint
with such a broad brush.
I will vote for the first legislator that proposes a tax INCREASE.Just because he/she has the guts to do what is right for the people at the
risk of personal sacrifice.
You're trying to make responsibility trump hard work. Pick up the scriptures
and learn that God told Adam by the sweat of his brow, not by the handouts of
others. People don't have a problem paying taxes to make things better. They
have a problem covering for the lazy. I give 12% of my income yearly to help
those in need that CAN'T do it themselves. How much do you give? Or should I
ask how much do you take? Probably that same 12% or more. You left wingers are
using some other liberal no name quote to justify your laziness. Get a visa and
get out. There are plenty of other countries that are willing to support your
lack of integrity.
I have asked many times now to name specific programs you all would like cut by
the state and all I see is CUT and DON'T RAISE TAXES. I'm a lib, have a great
job that I love, have no children, and pay far more taxes than most of you
conservatives who have many children (i.e. exemptions). Maybe limiting the
number of tax exemptions per family would be a good start to raise revenue - not
eliminating them, just limiting to say five per familiy - mom, dad, and three
kids. That might even things up a little. I also am not so naive that I know
that is the third-rail of Utah politics. More kids = less taxes.
You admit you're lazy and selfish and un-American but can't understand why those
of us that work for a living don't want to give to those of you who choose to be
lazy. You are unbelievable. A good moral value is NOT giving to those that are
lazy. The only thing promotes is laziness. It's amazing that you can't make the
connection. Please educate yourself a little; somehow. You're ingonarance is
appaling. You're trying to justify your laziness by blaming someone else for not
handing you what they worked for. We're happy to help those that help themselves
but not those that chose to be lazy. It's a choice. It's you
liberal nutjobs that don't pay taxes. There's three or four in Obama's
administration alone. Conservative people follow God and believe in a higher
level of accoutability. We don't try to cheat the system. We pay our taxes
unlike Timothy Geitner. Do you even know who that is? Probably not?
Citizens are willing to pay (taxes) for needed services, but elected officials
are too afraid of raising taxes (even for the public good) for fear of being
voted out! Shutting down colleges, prisons, and services for the elderly do not
sound like the public interest to this tax payer. I desire those and other
services and am perfectly willing to pay for them, as are the majority of
You Sir, are a very wise man.
Can't we just agree to have republicans pay more taxes and democrats to get more
free stuff?I would like to stick around and post more but I need to
go pick up my welfare check so I can buy more beer to watch the game tonight on
my stolen big screen TV that sits in my apartment that the church pays my rent
on. Yes, you republicans have some biased views of how the world
works. On average, people are good and they work for a living like most of the
people posting on this page. Sure, there are a few people that work the system
but it is a low number. When you start to think eveyone is milking the system
then you live in a delusional world. So, get off your high horse,
you are not the only one trying to make ends meet. As if you never were given
anything in your life and got help from someone. Yes, you are self made man that
got no help and will not help anyone too by paying a little taxes.No
shame at all around here.
All you people arguing against Dwight's Galbraith quote are only proving his
point. You're taking one perfectly good moral value (hard work and
self-reliance) and trying to make it trump another (responsibility towards your
fellow men). Have it your way, but if you're going to call us lazy and
un-American, I reserve the right to call you selfish.
Why is Utah media advocating tax hikes? Re-read the last line of
the article - "idea that raising taxes slows down economic growth is completely
false"!!Sorry - EVERY ECONOMIST in the world knows just the
opposite. WHENEVER TAXES ARE RAISED, productivity suffers! Another way to
consider that nutty statement is to say "if we raise the tax rate to say 98%,
THEN we'll have MASSIVE economic growth!!"53% of the public DO NOT
WANT HIGHER TAXES!!Please VOTE AGAINST any Utah lawmaker who
advocates RAISING TAXES, especially in these economic times!
Yes if everyone was taxed 100% everything would just be so much better for
everyone wouldn't it?People never can resist trying to get something
for nothing.Newsflash. You always pay for it somehow.Stop drinking the fantasy kool-aid.
"There are plenty of ways to reduce costs in government"What are
they? What programs should be cut? Who will be affected? What are the
consequences of cutting those services? Answers, please.
This is completey nuts. Polling a group to see if they want higher taxes or cuts
in services is akin to asking if you want poison or hanging.It
doesn't have to be this way. If elected officials are irresponsible enough to
raise taxes, when do you think they will come down? When the economy gets
better? When pigs can fly!There are plenty of ways to reduce costs
in government. Leaaders just have the guts to do. Give them the reason to do.
Contact your eleced officials and demand no tax increases!
Pay your taxes you tax cheats. I pay my taxes and don't complain. You think you
are the only ones that pay taxes? You are so special. Everyone pays taxes, tuff,
too bad, get over it. You think 99% of your taxes is spent on fraud. You are so
wrong about that like the way you view the world. Most of your taxes is spent on
wars that George Bush started. You like paying that tax don't you? Go back and
read the quote Dwight posted, it sums you up perfectly.
Your are so right. There is No shame in working hard and providing for
yourself. You lazy people that walk around with your hands out expecting others
to provide for you should be ashamed. Take advantage of the opportunities that
are provided for you and QUIT WHINING! One doesn't have to know
Glen Beck to have a little class and work ethic. Look in the mirror leftwinger,
you're the one that is crying the most. Selfish as ever. You want want others
have worked hard for. You're entitled attitude is quite apparent. Many are
willing to give, but not to those who don't put forth any effort. Thomas Jefferson said "The democracy will cease to exist then you take away
from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." To repeat
that is would not, not could not. Pretty smart cat, that Jefferson guy. He has
you liberals down to a tee. GET A JOB!!!! AND KEEP IT!!!
He didn't poll me. I am tired of increase taxes year in and year out. Why do
we have an 80-100 million dollar budget for just over 2,000,000 people? NO TAX
Maybe the poll should be asked of those actually paying the bulk of taxes
around here.These polls are always biased because they include those with
no skin in the game.
Dan Jones has AGAIN managed to spin his poll results to suggest Utahns want to
pay more taxes.Baloney!Funny how only HIS polls make
that finding.Dan has a long history of making his polls say what he
wants them to say. I think they call that a "political polling," not true,
scientifically valid polling.
Since my original posting at 9:37, there have been at least 15 more comments,
and NOT ONE has given a specific program to cut, except one who wants to cut
road construction. Come on guys, no bites? Are you all good at rhetoric, but
have no critical thinking skills and no ideas? I guess it just easier to yell
CUT and TIGHTEN BELTS with little tea bags hanging from your hats.
Some of you people posting here should get off and get back to your Glen Beck
fan club page. The quote Dwight posted sums it up. The selfish
people cry the most, and the selfish are all around us in this red state. No shame to be found anywhere.
Guys like you haven't figure out the writing on the wall from the Massachusetts
senate vote held this week. People don't want your liberal crud anymore.
People want the government out of our lives and they want to "Reap what they
sow." Get a job and live the American Dream. You have the same opportunities
all those "SELFISH" people do. Quit being jealous.
They also need to spend less on road construction. Last year I was driving down
a perfectly good road; no potholes, decent paint--two days later the whole road
was torn up and repaved. Not to mention seeing all these construction guys
standing there while one guy does the work. Taxes on tobacco should
be without question. Alcohol too. They are not mandatory to ones living and
should be taxed. If one decides to buy these items, they will pay the tax for
it! It's sure better than increasing income taxes or gas, food or anything else
that is essential to everyday living.
You must be one of the lazy that all the hard working people are talking about.
Try living the American Dream and "reap what you sow." You talk of the selfish,
what a joke. People came to this country back in the 1700's from England to
provide for themselves and have the opportunity to do what you are now whining
about. Go back to England. You want the handout from the government. GO TO
thanks, I printed that quote, it sums up the GOPperfectly.
Which programs should be cut? How far should they be cut? Which services do
you think the state can do without? Can you back up your statement with some
suggestions, or are you simply parroting the party line?
As a Salt Lake County resident, I can expect my property taxes increasing by
first the county, then the Jordan School district, and now the Unified Police
Department.I say ENOUGH, eventually I will have nothing left.As for our education system, yes it may be a fact that we spend less per
pupil than other states, but I will be in favor of the education system getting
more money when they can be accountable for what they already get.It
wasnt to long ago that two school districts, had employees embezel money, I
believe it was Davis and Granite. Also I believe that Granite is investigating
another $10,000 taken.Last I don't need my tax dollars funding
people who cannot wait in line to enter this country legally, my son had to wait
(in line) for eight years before we were able to sponser him (was older than 21
at the time) to be here legally. SO I HAVE ZERO COMPASSION FOR THOSE WHO JUMP
THE BORDER GET OUT OF MY FOOD STAMP LINE.
Fat man that hates to pay taxes is watching Glen beck on TV and has chest pain
and calls the paramedics for help, yet they take an hour to come because of
budget cuts and he dies. See, problem takes care of itself!
Of course if you ask the people if they want a tax cut they say yes. The problem
is we have State Law makers that don't have the stones to make the right
decisions when it comes to dishing out the budget. They are rich themselves so
they don't want to tax themselves more. And to keep the voters happy they will
over cut in areas where we need it most, like our schools, police, and fire
service. As law makers they need to look past the vote and crying public and do
what is right. Times are tuff all over but if you need to save a few bucks stop
buying coke and chips before you cut into services we can't do without!
Lets tax the negative. This is not anew concept as the taxes are already
high on tobacco and alcohol.IF there was a $.10 per can tax on soda
pop this state would realize a windfall. Like tobacco it isn't healthy to drink
the soda, even Coca Cola admits that. Increasing tax revenues and
lessening the burden on the healthcare system. How can that be bad?I would be in favor of raising the wages of every teacher in the state.
Investing in education is hardly ever a bad investment.
That's because 53% of American's don't pay taxes today.
This quote has never been more true than in Utah today: "the modern
conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;
that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith
Government needs to live within its means just like everyone else. Tighten
belts now = better economy going forward.
Look closer at the poll. Any suggested tax increase that effects the majority is
soundly opposed, like the gasoline tax. But a tax increase that effects less
people is favored, like tobacco and alcohol. It's the stick it to "them" and not
to me mentality.
"The idea that raising taxes slows down economic growth is completely false."Nice way to end the article. That statement shows stunning economic
ignorance. Higher taxes are guaranteed to slow the economy. We can argue about
how deep to cut services versus raising more taxes, but let's not pretend that
raising taxes doesn't slow the economy.
That is the exact issue- saying "small gov." and "cut till it hurts" and
silliness like that does nothing but demonstrate ignorance- nice political
rhetoric that is good for a soundbite and votes from the ignorant masses- now
back to reality- define those terms- tell us exactly what you will cut and also
demonstrate you understand the consequences of such cuts and why we should not
be concerned over such consquences- otherwise you are simply talk radio banter
and as Churchill used to say back benchers who can complain endlessly but never
really have to govern and actually make real desicions and live with the
consequences- sooooo easy to complain- now back it up with specifics and
rational for the specifics- good luck
you only have to pay taxes if you want?Get real people, even when
times are good you don't want to pay taxes. Well, too bad. That is how the
system works. You just want but you don't want to pay anything for it. You think
teachers, police, fire, and social workers should work for free. Well, in the
real world we pay taxes. The more you make, the more they take. Why do you think
it should be the more you make the less they take?Utah is a state full of
very cheap people. If I go to lunch they want a free ride. When we get the meal
ticket they forget to add in tip and tax. They make just as much money as me but
they are always broke. Why is that? Where are they spending their money? 1)Drugs2)Porn3)Gambling4)Over eating5)Buying stuff
they don't need live a new TV every year.At least I get some value
for my taxes. When one of you cheapows tries to break into my house to take my
TV the police show up an lock you up!
Maybe we should start releasing prisoners due to budget cuts. How about
releasing some criminally insane from the state hospital? Perhaps we could cut
bank regulators and let the banks just run amok. How about if we cut foster
care expenses some more? Who cares about the foster care kids? Maybe we could
cut the highway patrol some more. Which state agencies,
specifically, would you all like to see cut? Instead of the blanket statement
to tighten belts, give specifics. There's only so much more you can do with
I have a hard time believing the results of another Dan Jones poll. I've been
polled by him several times and his bias shows in his questions.In
this case, Dan would pose the following question:"Would you favor
cuts in spending for the education of our children and essential services, such
as for police and fire protection rather than raise taxes?"This
forces the person polled to respond "NO."We really need another
polling agency rather than Dusty (and biased) Dan.
I'll gladly pay more taxes if they will go to schools and police/fire.Also our freeways are in pretty good shape right now. We don't need to be
rebuilding the whole stretch of i-15 in Utah Co. It is fine for a few more
years then we can tackle it when the economy improves.
We have lived through decades of tax cuts without seeing any benefit as
far as our deficit decreasing, in fact it is the opposite, our deficit has
grown.Since we all know there is no such thing as a free lunch we
have to continue in our house of smoke and mirrors or else face the music.There is talk of smaller and leaner government. Won't happen, in fact
it is like the deficit shrinking with tax cuts. When the economy
was booming was the social security system broke, I venture to say it was. Now
the economy is flat is the ss system broke? It is again or rather still.No matter how painful we are going to have to bite the bullet and pay
more taxes. It stinks, economically it bites.I am looking for one
honest politician anywhere to say "we are going to have to be fiscally
responsible and increase taxes" or a leader who will say we have to tighten the
purse strings til it hurts.Til then we are broke.Countries who pay higher taxes are happier. Google it.
Most who favor increased taxes surely understand the taxes likely will not fall
on them. Selfish behavior.
Where did they conduct this poll? In the Avenues where all the liberals and
progressive myopics live?
Increase the health insurance premiums that State employees pay. As a State
employee I am embarassed by how low my premiums are for my family in contrast to
the private sector and the benefits are outstanding. I know it's politically
incorrect to say this and I will be viewed as a traitor by my fellow State
employees, but at least in my line of work, I don't make significantly less then
I would in the private sector and I have worked in both. I love the 4 10 hour
days and the great benefits but I would rather pay more than potentially lose my
Respondents favor raising taxes on coal and oil but, not food. They don't seem
to comprehend that raising energy costs will increase the cost of food.
I'm sure the question was: "would you rather tax cigarettes or cut school lunch
for disadvantaged children?" Totally agree with "Lies and Deceit". Disappointed
the Deseret News would try to push an agenda of higher taxes and bigger
government. How about some transparency in your story?
"Waddoups said Utahns can expect more budget cuts no matter what happens with
tax increases. He said those cuts could include closing a college campus,
shutting down a prison and eliminating some support services for the state's
needy."What?! Raise taxes on my food if it means keeping criminals
Utah already lags terribly in per pupil spending -- and believe me, it shows. We
moved from out of state recently and the schools here are a good grade level
(and sometimes two in math) behind the curriculum of other states. I for one
would be happy to pay more in taxes to increase the quality of public education
in Utah. Both the teachers and students deserve better!
Let's see, the polls showing Americans don't want Obamacare are accurate and
Dems are arrogant for not listening to the people....but this poll is a lie or
who cares we're not raising taxes anyway.
People that aren't going to pay the tax should not be allowed to vote on a
measure they will receive a benefit for. "Hey free stuff, that sounds great!
Where do I sign?" Politicians obviously know this and make promises to their
constiuents using someone elses dime.
Shows that the radical right is not really all that preferred in Utah. Get past
the intimidation by conservatives, and Utahns are actually more moderate and
If we are going to increase taxes let's do it on everything, including gas and
especially food. We don't all drive, but we all eat so it's a burden on all.
Personally I would prefer budget cuts. In our own families we just have to cut
our overhead if we are in a budget crunch. I think the govt. should do the same.
They didn't ask me. More taxes means less freedom, period. One day we will
learn the virtues of a smaller government. Until then, hang on, its going to be
a bumpy ride.
53% of the poll responders do not pay state income taxes. Ask those who pay
taxes and the results will be much different.
It is time for a pay cut for all state workers. They need to feel the effects of
the downturn like everybody else. When you figure in benefits and retirement
plans into compensation, government workers make much more than private workers.
My vote is for cuts. When times are tough, government needs to learn to deal
with it just like we do. If we expand or maintain govt. when times are tough,
govt will grow even more when times are good. Big govt. is bad govt.
Utah has a slight advantage in its total tax structure relative to other states.
This is partially offset by Utah's distance from major population centers, cold
winters/hot summers and lack of diversity. To preserve Utah's competitiveness,
local governments should tighten belts further before hiking taxes. We need to
retain our economic edge more than ever in this economic environment.
There should be a law that any results of a poll cannot be published if the poll
question are not published along with the results. This would clear the air
somewhat at how deceitful these polls are being used.There is no way
anyone in their right mind would favor any higher taxes for a government that
has become so inept and irresponsible. There is no way the working americans
favor taking pay cuts, job loss, and forced debt and agree to paying more taxes
too. This poll must have targeted the welfare and professional government
dependents. Polls can be done by the demographics they choose to get the results
they want and are meaningless as fact or truth. Polls are not random or
accurate, they reflect the demographics and population preplanned and are
nothing more than lies. And believe me, Utah has demographic maps for every
conceivable poll by religion, citizenship, race, income, jobs, education level,
political agenda, etc, so they are anything but random.
What a surprise. People would prefer to keep getting their full share of
bennies from the government and are willing to tax ANYBODY OTHER THAN THEMSELVES
to make it happen.But they are fooling themselves if they persist in
this benighted belief, since all those other people will simply pass the
increased costs along to the ultimate consumer and add a little something extra
for the additional trouble they've had to go to.Also, are these
extra taxes going to go back down once the crisis is over and the tax base
recovers? Of course not. Every penny will be squandered in future good times
and the crisis that comes after this crisis will force the average citizen to
undergo yet another round of involuntary extraction of their funds one way or
the other. Say no to higher taxes on anybody now. Or say yes to
higher taxes only on government employees and legislators. That should put an
end to the whole dishonest scheme.