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Published: Friday, Jan. 15 2010 8:56 a.m. MST

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RE: Hold your horses

It wasn't just one big shot. He was 3/3 with 9 points. He played solid D, and did everything that was expected of him. And he has played well each time he has beeni n the game. If the Jazz don't give him a contract for the rest of the year, they are crazy. They would only have to pay him the rookie minimum, and that would be a bargain considering the exposure he gave the Jazz and those green uniforms last night.

Attention to todd

NOT separate issues. people were all over these boards when Maynor was traded saying O'Connor made one of his biggest mistakes and that it was one of the worst moves in Jazz history (not exaggerating, read the boards). well that "worst move ever" turned into O'Connor picking Gaines up. We got another point guard who is just as good as Maynor (and possibly better, the future will tell) for pennies, meanwhile saving the team over 10mil. So yea, everyone who was ready to hang O'Connor a couple of weeks ago, put that foot of yours in your mouth.

The 13th man

I'm happy for Gaines and glad for the win, but to say that he is as good or better than Eric Maynor is just plain nonsense. Anyone making that claim simply knows nothing about basketball. Gaines is a marginal NBA player right now. Hopefully he will improve his game enough to stick in the league. Maynor is going to be a solid player for years to come, and maybe even a star. Letting him go was a mistake (remember Mo Williams?), and the fact that it was done simply to save money made it even worse.

Re:the 13th man

"and the fact that it was done simply to save money made it even worse."
It saved them like 10 million dollars. Would you give up that money if you were in that situation. I wouldn't. I was fine with trade regardless of Gaines' success.

Sandy Jazz Fan

The two most exciting players on the Jazz now are two people who weren't even on the radar last summer when all of the talk was about Boozer, Milsap, et. al.: Gaines and Matthews. They're exciting because they play hard, don't give up, and bring incredible energy to the team, just like Ronnie Price does.

Is Gaines as good as Maynor? Hard to say. But does it really matter? Even aside from his spectacular shot last night, he has played solidly and has been a great team player, mostly without the benefit of any practices. Does anyone really realize how hard that is? Maybe he'll be great and maybe he won't, but the chances of finding someone else even at this level is very small, and he deserves a chance to prove himself the rest of the year.

As for CJ vs. Matthews, remember: this is CJ's fourth year in the NBA, and he was a starter all last year. Matthews is a rookie. CJ should be far better than Matthews, but he isn't. Matthews is more solid, better court sense, better team player, far better D, and much greater potential.

Miles

@Sandy Jazz Fan: Do you live in the State of Utah? Did you realize that Matthews is OLDER than CJ? Matthews actually played in college while Jerry froze out CJ on the bench after drafting him. Now that CJ is starting to receive consistent playing time and have a greater role on the team he is improving at a much fast rate. CJ's stats are better than Matthews in every catagory.

CL

I was never that hign on Maynor anyway, he performed better than I thought he would but he wasn't anything great. Maynor isn't that good of a shooter(especially 3's), not a great athlete. He ran the team pretty good, calm,controlled but he wasn't worth 10 mil.
Gaines looks to be a better athlete, quick, fast, strong,good defender, and a better shooter. Time will tell but he looks like a keeper.
Re Sandy fan: I agree with some of what you say, Mathews is playing very solid, better D, but he doesn't have more potential and he has more b-ball experience than CJ. He is older than CJ and CJ sat the bench most of his first two years. Even the last two years CJ has gotten less than half a game minutes wise. I have been pretty hard on CJ as of late because he is so inconsistant but I still hope he will improve and reach his potential(which is higher than Mathews).

gains

wow lets sign him to a 5 yr 50 mil contract.

CL

EXPECTATIONS CJ vs Mathews : Miles makes a good point,that CJ's stats are better than Mathews but people (myself included) have higher expectations for CJ than for Mathews and therefore we are disappointed with CJ and his performance.
Mathews does play tougher Defense, drives better to the hole and has scored pretty good.
CJ looks soft, out of shape, winded and he doesn't hustle like Mathews.
The game comes easy for CJ and therefore he plays soft, lazy and nonshalont alot of the time. That being said he can be very productive at times. It's those times that make me frustrated and say why can't you play like that all the time. At least put in the effort to play better all the time.
CJ has alot of potential and even his good games are not near reaching his potential. I say that because I don't see him putting forth the effort, playing with top energy,guts,determination etc. If he will learn to play harder etc he may be able to reach his potential.
The cosches must see CJ's potential in practice & realize what they have to play him ahead of Mathews.

Re CL

Truth be known CL,Matthews is better than Miles.Period.Matthews plays within the team concept,Miles is all about Miles and making sure he shoots(not makes) every ball he touches,yes he`s lazy,winded,out of shape,that`s because he doesn`t care about helping the team,just wants his shooting % to look good in the paper every morning,you`re a smart guy and should really be able to see the truth

rudy

Will DWill miss any games?

Fire CJ MILES!

I don't think CJ thinks much about his teammates when he gets the rock in his hands. He isn't the pure shooter that he thinks he is. I cringe every time Sloan puts him in and every too quick shot he puts up gives me a little heart attack. I feel much more comfortable with Brewer or Matthews starting in his place. Gaines blows my mind. So calm and cool. Fast and great D. Okur needs to put his hands in anybody's face that is shooting near him. That's the other thing that makes my heart flutter. He will stand next to a great shooter and watch them take a great shot with his hands at his side. The past two games have been a little better with Okur's defence but I'd like to see CJ get traded to some team that could use somebody like him more than we could. I think he should be the last resort on the floor!

Jazz Cop

If you really want to compare gaines to maynor, you'd have to say, gaines is the better scorer, and maynor is the better runner of an offense.
I don't want to get nostolgic about maynor, but he had a way of finding the open guy and getting them a chance for a good score, he did it surprisingly well, but maynor will never be the scorer that gaines is, however, gaines can become better at facilitating the offense, hence he will fit the job description of jazz backup pg. This is what I'm waiting to see, he's a pg, will he work at #1 priority, run the offense, i do think that he can run it better than price, but price is such a tough competitor he makes up for it with his hustle. It's not as important that the backup pg get everyone involved. Comeon, price boxing at lebron, thats got to warm the heart a little.
obviously, gaines will get a contract, i think he's going to make a fine backup pg and be better for this team than maynor. He makes it easy to forget about the maynor trade.

Jazz Cop

But gaines defense has been light years ahead of maynor. big upgrade as far as that end of the floor is concerned.

Sandy Jazz Fan

@Miles, CL. Yes, I live in Utah (that's Sandy, Utah, not Sandy, elsewhere), and yes, I know that Matthews is older than CJ. But college ball is no comparison to the NBA. It's not just court time. It's practice, watching the games in person, learning from your teammates, etc. As Sloan says, Fesenko and Koufus have continued to improve this year, and they've hardly gotten any court time. Age notwithstanding, CJ is in his fourth year of NBA experience and Matthews is in his fourth MONTH. That's a huge difference.

I have to say that in previous years, I loved CJ and always liked to watch him play. But that was when the Jazz were more of a shooting team, with Korver and Okur's 3s dominating like they did most of last year. Having seen how could we were running the offense and executing D during the 19 games Matthews started, it made it clear to me how much of a deficit CJ really is and how much Matthews adds to the team. It isn't that CJ is bad, but our team is worse when he plays...

Sandy Jazz Fan

@Miles, CL. BTW, I just don't get this "potential" thing with CJ. I don't think he has improved all that much this year, and I don't think he's any better this year than last. So just what is his "potential"? Pretty much all he is is a shooter. So he raises his shooting percentage 5 or 10 points? That won't make him that much more valuable.

Matthews is a much more well-rounded player. He may not be a superstar, but he is solid and he will keep getting better. He is a better passer than CJ, better driver, has better court sense, more energy, and is just as good of a shooter . He will improve in many more dimensions over time.

As for stats, CJ is NOT better in all categories:

Shooting: Matthews, .480, CJ. 397
3-point : Matthews, .359, CJ .319
FT: Matthews, .773 (second on team), CJ .667
FT/game: Matthews: 2.0, CJ, 0.6
TO: Matthews, 1.0, CJ 1.15
PF: Matthews, 1.5, CJ 3.0

CJ scores more (8.9 v. 8.3), but only because he shoots so much more.

CL

Re Sandy Jazz Fan: Your pretty much right on most things and that is why I have been having a hard time staying on the CJ bandwagon. Mathews deserves to start and most of the time he has outplayed CJ.
Potential is a different thing, Potential is a combination of athletism, and skills. CJ is taller, longer, better hops (?), CJ's shot is better long range and pull up jumper. Fress throws CJ last yr shot 87%, this yr he hasn't hardly got to the line (problem in itself), CJ's quickness and speed are questionable because of his nonshalont approach. There are time he shows as good or better quickness and speed and anyone on the team and other times he looks terrible.
Mathews hustles all the time and his quickness to stay in front of his man is great. CJ shows he can play D against anyone at times and then other times he looks terrible. I think it's not that he can't it's because he's lazy and not tough enough.
If CJ and Mathews play up to their potential I'll take CJ but Mathews plays closer to his potential than CJ.

No Talent

I would suggest that for a 10 day contract the Jazz are getting a lot for their money.

Gaines is not Rondo or Nash. He certainly isn't Magic Johnson.

He is a combo guard who does not know the Jazz offense. He can shoot and that is not based on one shot. We have seen enough to know he can shoot in the NBA. He plays decent D and should get better as he gains experience.

Give the kid a break. No talent? He has only played 5 games. Give him the rest of the season to learn the offense and adjust to the NBA. At the end of the season the Jazz can decide if they need more talent.

Sloan gave Price 4 years (with contract extensions) to learn to be a PG. Gaines is not a pure PG. Right now he looks like he is as good as Price and a whole lot cheaper.

Playing both Price and Gaines together seems to be an interesting approach. It takes pressure off of both.

Would you rather have Gaines, Knight or Hart? Knight played for 10 years. I think Gaines has enough talent to be in the NBA.

Gains vs. Maynor

What Gains has that Maynor never will? An NBA body! Maynor is a short AK - will never be able to hold any muscle or weight on his frame and this is a liability in today's NBA.

Anonymous

Sign Gaines for the rest of the year. He has earned it.

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