Thanks Awesomeron. Very nice posting. It has been 36+ years since
I was converted. I have not missed any of my past life. I love my great LDS
life very much. One thing I love about my new life is the complete order of the
Lord. He is a God of order and organization. I do listen to KSL
talk radio, I also listen to KNRS. I enjoy the opinions of others. Do I
agree with everything they say? NO, but I do enjoy that they are there and have
the freedom to say what they believe to be true. I have the freedom to turn
them off or tune them out. I am happy with KSL's new mission
I had good feeling about the Church, the People, and the Value System decades
before I joined the Church. I would listen to Music and the Spoken Word from
time to time and the Choir has always rocked. I also listened to
Fulton Sheen, Norman Vincent Peale, Billy, and Schuler. Seek the best minds and
the best works.Some people admire the Church, anyone who understands
Organization, Marketing, and Religion as The Lords Business, cannot help but
admire the LDS Church and the Leaders. I always saw them as Wise and Good Men
and Women. I always saw the women as strong not repressed. If you
are Not going to have Chaos, there has to be a certain order to things. The
Church has always had that. I have always found the people mostly Valiant and of
Good Courage.Some People cannot or will Not join the Church for many
reasons. It has nothing to do with Warm and Fuzzy Feelings. It has
to do with Observation and Pure Facts of Life.Perhaps the Very Day I
was ready, two young men knocked at my door, and I let them in. Its been almost
22 mostly very good years.
From your new creed: "Align actions; Pursue excellence; Champion virtues;
Improve lives; Work together; Invest personally."So? These
"universal values" can be found in thousands of mission statements, from most
Fortune 500 companies, government agencies or myriad other highly successful and
profitable commercial entities.Again, so what? Do you want a medal
or something for coming up with these sets of beliefs?I should
expect that when Domino's Pizza, Whole Foods Market, the NFL Players
Association, Costco, Royal Bank of Scotland Group, Dell Inc., TECO Energy, the
Chicago Tribune, Verizon Communications Inc. or any other random for-profit
organization tweaks its mission statement that such coverage will also appear in
the pages of the Deseret News and over the airwaves of KSL.
I am not a conservative and LDS. Quite honestly I find most any talk show host
who relies on politics for a good portion of their conversation to be
questionable no matter what political side they are on. If we are talking about
setting an example it starts with cutting any show that goes for ratings by
making continual inflammatory remarks on views that differ. It is in fact
possible to have conversation and share ones perspective without being so
inflammatory. I simply can't stand to listen to most. They raise my blood
pressure and again it doesn't matter what political side. If we are looking at
LDS values then we are talking Christlike values and I don't recall too many
stories in the scriptures of Christ stirring the pot to instill anger and
hatred. Feel free to share opinions but do it in a civil manner and realize not
everyone is going to agree. Our purpose in life is not to make everyone else
think and believe exactly the we think they should! Everyone has agency but
civility is priceless.
I find it amusing how liberals rant and rave at Hannity and Beck, but tolerate
much worse on their side in the likes of hate-spewing Chris Matthews and Keith
Olbermann.Matt. 7: 3-5 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that
is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own
eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out
of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite,
first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to
cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
...what does Hannity & Beck have to do with anything? They are entertainers and
people like to be entertained. Are you complaining to TNT about "Men of a
Certain Age" and its disregard for civility & "balance"....Tolerance is only an
intellectual stalemate....we agree to disagree, but remain civil, I hope.
If Hannity remains on the air at KSL, we'll know this is all window-dressing. If
church-owned publishers continue to favor Glenn Beck over potentially intersting
life stories like that of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, we'll know they
don't really mean anything by, to quote the D-News story: "integrity, civility,
morality and respect for all people ... . This is consistent with the values not
only of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints but with all people of
good will." We'll see, won't we?
It certainly makes sense that media owned by the LDS Church set the example of
civility, thoughtfulness and enlightenment. This should be the case in every
location where they operate, but especially here in Utah where KSL and the
Deseret News are widely seen to represent the Church. I look forward to seeing
greater congruence between Deseret Management's new mission statement and the
content of its media.
There is no balance to Sean Hannity on KSL radio. The rest of the lineup is
centrist at best. I have never suggested that KSL balance things out 50/50.
But what I've tried to tell them repeatedly is that if they don't want to convey
the impression that the Church endorses Sean Hannity Republicanism, they need
someone who is as far left, approximately, as Hannity is to the right. I've
told them that 15 minutes of Jim Hightower everyday would be good enough for me.
And BTW, the one-hour Left-of-the-Dial on Saturday PM when no one is listening
doesn't cut it.Most Democrats and liberals have the impression that
the Church endorses Sean Hannity because there is no balance to him. The
conclusion is inescapable.
The Deseret News and it's employees, LDS or not, have always worked hard to
report the news competently and fairly. They are required to seek voices on both
sides of the issue, print the facts, and leave the editorials for the editorial
pages. No matter the outsider opinion, there is no other newsroom in the country
that works harder to be fair and shed light on the issues that effect their
readers. This new mission statement should secure their jobs through the
Millenial reign. . . sorry I'm not going to be in the newsroom to watch it all
I hope this means that all your uncivil remarks will now be banned from these
I don't have any problem with the "message" HANNITY delivers each day.I do have a problem with the way HANNITY DEMEANS ANY PERSON who has a
differing viewpoint.As a result of his on-air behavior, I do not
listen to KSL for three hours each afternoon.PROBLEM SOLVED.
I hope this is the day that Doug Wright no longer talks about his ridiculous
opinions over the radio all morning long. KSL please find someone to
take his place; I don't know how much longer I can stand hearing his Soda
removal from school districts rhetoric.
For those who have problems with the "for profit" arm of the church, it is
likely due to not understanding its function. The proceeds from DMC companies
is used largely for charity work and doing things like rebuilding downtown. The
same people who have problems with the "for profit" business, are grateful for
it when they receive good care at a hospitals (the Church foundation has given
large donations to most hospitals in Utah), attend school at a college in Utah
(yes, they even donate significantly to the U of U), or when you receive support
from the United Way (receives large donations from church).
Will KSL Radio still broadcast Sean Hannity and will Doug Wright still want to
be Sean when he grows-up?
It is amazing that intelligent people, knowing the high order of
accomplishments of the Latter-day Saints, give credence to the weird and crude
stories, appealing to the baser emotions of mankind, which fill the pages of
anti-"Mormon" literature. - John A. Widtsoe
** "integrity, civility, morality and respect for all people..." **Cool!That means the filthy, obnoxious, hate-filled, venom-laden
trash dump of a reader forum at the KSL website will be cleaned up, right? Shut
it down, fill the pit with lime, plant grass over it, and start a new one a mile
upwind. And actually MONITOR the new one.
Today the headlines in the Salt lake papers were:1. Catholic Bishops call
for immigration reform.2. Deseret Management Co. Issues new Mission
Statement.I pray that the Church weighs in on immigration reform.
Advocacy of reform will result in huge improvements in the lives of over
12,000,000 Americans (undocumented immigrants). The Church can make a moral and
compassionate difference by taking a position of advocating reform. I can understand the need for a new mission statement. But only if it will
make a difference. Too often mission statements are framed on the wall and
really don't change things.I hope the Church does something
productive for millions of unfortunate undocumented immigrants, rather than
spend a lot of time philosophizing on a mission statement.
I did not see the statement skimming this artcle, but it was included in the
Trib – the comment section will change. THANK YOU!!!!! It's about time!
The NY Times doesn't have comments on every article. Generally, it's the blogs
that invite comments. This comment section repeatedly gets out of
hand. Folks post rumors, argue and are posers. Commenters need to register (ie:
SF Gate). Allow only a limited number of comments per article and only on the
top news stories. The comment section reflects poorly on the Utah population.
So what does this mean? Is the Dnews still going to report news, truthful, as it
happens? or is everything from this point on going to have a Mormon spin on it?
Are Jazz stories going to start saying "Brother Kirilenko dished to Brother
Boozer for a dunk"?
i'm glad my church owns things. i trust it more than companies out there. i
expect that the operators of DMC will look out for the interest of their
shareholders (me) and make money. what's the big deal? i live in a place where
churches are set up SPECIFICALLY to make money (how else can you buy nice cars,
suits, and gold watches for sunday sermon). the marketplace is dictating what
shows are on media stations, so if you don't like what the marketplace is
dictating, you have 2 options: 1) change the marketplace (turn it off or stop
advertising), or 2) change markets (move). but the real issue i think people
have is the power the church has built up over the years... and to that i say...
you're lucky we're nice (we're trying to be like Jesus you know). so if you're
all bent out of shape, step outside and cool off... the church has far less
"ambition" than google, time warner, or the likes of joel osteen.
i commend deseret for this strategy. all responsible media outlets ought to
consider a mantra of civility as opposed to relying on purveyors of scandal and
Arguing about petty, dumb things that one cannot change is painfully indicative
of what goes on in a small community with a strong religious presence. I
encourage all to live in other places of the country and world. Expose
yourselves to the real problems of the world, and you will realize how big of a
deal that this ISN'T.
I am happy that civility will be important to this organization. It is my hope
that the three hour afternoon program will be replaced by something more civil.
Josh Andersen | 9:03 a.m You don't see people with the credence of Jack Anderson
in the media anymore.
Give it a break.It took weeks to stop the Ding Ding enlargement ads
on this web site. Getting through to people at DNS who even had a
clue was next to impossible. One Number Call always led to a Nice
Person giving you another Number. Which in the end led to a Voice Mail.The ads where stopped but through a tottaly different route then one might
think. I want to thank the people who helped with that. The Ads where Gross and
not anywhere close to Church Standards.The For Profit Arm of the
Church has done well and that is a good thing.
A better mission statement would be:Mo' Money, Mo' Money, Mo' Money.
As a for-profit arm, they are most concerned about...(drum roll please)...Mo'
Mondy, Mo' Money, Mo' Money!!!Anything else is a story to persuade
people to believe otherwise. Why not tell the truth???
I'm sure other stations would pick up Hannity if KSL dropped him. Censorship is
not the issue, civility is.How far will this be taken? I don't think
KSL-TV could be an NBC affiliate if they refuse to air anything immoral. If
Sabbath-observance is principle espoused by their owner, will they stop live
broadcasts on Sunday?
What's the size of the for-profit arm relative to that of the not for-profit
Having had experience with reporters from Channels 13, 5, 4 and 2 in my
career, I will attest to the professional, ethical way I was treated by
personnel from Channel 13, 2 and 5. After an ugly experience with a certain
Channel 4 reporter and newscaster, I expressed my disappointment in her lack of
integrity and civility to her personally through an e-mail at her work, and
documented what had happened. About two months later, she and her husband did
not have their contract renewed. I have no idea if what I did made a difference,
but since then, I have noticed a positive change in Channel 4's newscasting and
the way stories are covered. It's critical to have people dedicated to these
values throughout any organization, but especially in news businesses. I
welcomed balanced, thoughtful coverage of issues I was involved in during my
career and appreciate the work the local news community does to now keep me
informed and involved.
Who really believes a company's mission statement?
Great! So how soon will the Jay Leno show be dropped from KSL's broadcast
let KSL do a test and dump all the 'right wing' personalities and their shows,
and replace them with 'left wing' shows- and see how many of those who complain
about shows on KSL stop complaining- then you will know this forum is just a
place to vent your political frustration instead of commenting on the meat of a
story. DMC is taking a bold move, a positive move which will be under constant
scrutiny. as it should be- more positive media is always needed. God Bless the
Let's just set this straight: The cry of "censorship" is silly in this case. The
fact that a church or its members would eliminate programs it finds "uncivil"
from its own airwaves is not censorship. No one is trying to silence Hannity and
Beck. Rather, many people simply feel their style of "entertainment" is not fit
for a church owned radio station. Seriously, is that hard to understand? And
ratings should not dictate what the Church broadcasts. Isn't that the low road?
Tell Mr Willis to hire some radio sales managers with some integrity and
honesty. Everything is tied to money and profit and the truth is, KSL is not
civil when they are trying to make a budget. There is no light and truth there,
its like Ward Ball.
I love how so many of you clamoring for "balance" are crying for censorship. You
are all for shedding "light" as long as it is filtered through your preferred
lens.I too find Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity to be sometimes (not always)
shrill and overstated, but I wouldn't for a minute suggest that the LDS media
silence their voices. Small minds, closed minds seek to silence opposing views
rather than counter with logic and "light" of their own.Seems anytime the
LDS church makes a statement of any kind, their antis use it as on opportunity
to reccommend that they abdicate their collective right to a free voice. Seems
unvaryingly hypocritical.Blast away critics, but don't presume to
tell someone else to be silent.
I have a hard time believing in ANY church that is "for-profit". I also believe
any "news" organization needs to be nuetral. No legitimate church can do
this...please quit trying.
Why is it that whenever we read some article about the LDS church and its
companies, the left wingers come out in droves, complaining about Hannity and
Beck?Last time I checked, you can buy items from Barack Obama, Harry
Reid, James E Faust, Hugh Nibley, Kurt Bestor and works by other notable
Democrats at Deseret Book. KSL airs The Nightside Project every weeknight with a
moderate to liberal agenda. Doug Wright by NO means is a conservative. He is
very centrist in his political leanings. In fact, when Doug has been on vacation
he has allowed Rocky Anderson to be the guest host on more than one occasion.
Basically, liberals want free speech except for those on the right.
They'll never be happy until all conservative books have been burned and all
conservative talk show hosts are censored from airplay.
What about objectivity and balance? This sounds like religious rhetoric put out
by a company desperately trying to stay relevant.
As a member, I have to agree with those who comment on controversial programs
and commentary, such as Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. I realize members of the
LDS church have that right, but a church corporation that is making these
changes needs to distance itself from the practices it is saying it does not
espouse.Actions speak louder than words, and it would be a
refreshing change to see the corporation's actions match its words.
How does shedding "light" fit with Joe Cannon's oft repeated mantra not to
ruffle LDS reader's feathers?Nearly all companies have mission
statements. Only about 1% of them mean anything operational. We'll see how DM
PLEASE...GET OVER YOURSELVES!!! Thank heavens I live in Idaho, where we have
more important things to worry about like...wind, and Boise State's record
against Mountain West teams (13-1). Have a lovely day.
Keep Sean Hannity on. Just cause you don't agree with him or are worried he is
offensive to supporters of lesbs and gays doesn't make him 'vitriol'. He's an
active voice (one of the few on the right) that is willing to counter the filth
and lies coming from the left.
I'm a lifelong member. Boy, this just makes me goose-bumpy all over....
Please tell me this means KSL will no longer carry Sean Hannity and that Doug
Wright will have to find another job. The vitriol generated by these two alone
is an embarrassment to the Church. Same for Glenn Beck. Deseret Book should
drop his ridiculous books like a hot potato.
If DMC truly intends to "promote integrity, civility, morality, and respect
for others", they must take Sean Hannity off the air.
Agreed. If the church is serious and not just playing lip service pr games, then
it will ditch trash like Hannity and become a more carry more balanced, civil
and intelligent news and political information like NPR. Until that time it will
just be window dressing.
For-profit and nonprofit at just tax classifications. In fact DMC companies
have done a really "good" job of not making a profit the last couple of years.
I'm active LDS but have for years been embarrassed that guys like Sean Hannity
dominate the KSL airwaves. Very grateful to see this change in direction.
Please let this be the end of divisive, inflammatory radio personalities on KSL.
I agree with you on the "Awesome" person. Bad sleeping qualities as well.I guess Des-Management has to do what they have to do to stay up there.
I'm happy to see this. The Church owns these companies. The companies and
employees should honor and advance the principles of their owner. Common sense.
"These are universal values. You don't have to be a church person to say
civility is a good thing."Deseret management Corporation and The
Church continue to quietly court Glenn Beck by sponsoring his books in the
Church's flagship business, Deseret Book Company.Glenn Beck’s
right-wing vitriolic commentary has extreme views that are harmful to our
country. He hates President Obama and has called him a "racist" with a
"deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture". Beck is far from
patriotic as he openly hopes for the President's failure, which of course means
harm to America. He makes millions by denigrating the President all those that
support the President.As a Worldwide Church, the Church should avoid
the trap of wading into American politics. Half the membership lives outside
the U.S. Another trap is that the Church seems to be thirsting for celebrities
within its membership. Glenn Beck's celebrity status is a liability for the
Worldwide Church as we strive to love all and reach out to everyone. It is time
the Church cuts commercial ties to Beck. Ties to Beck are a poor reflection on
The least you could do is read the article before making any comment about it.
Yours is totally off topic, but then again, it is only your opinion so I suppose
it doesn't really need to be factual.
I appreciate very much the new emphasis on civility. I am very concerned about
the lack of civility in our society and the example, we as adults set for our
youth. Thoughtful and civil interaction is much needed in our society. I
applaud the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for taking the higher
road above the shrill and uncivil discourse that is increasingly the norm.
if you want to use the media to "uplift and inspire" people, then the first
thing KSL needs to do is review their policy to be the local source of the
vitriol that comes from the mouth of Sean Hannity. That is, unless what you
want to inspire people to do is to hate everyone who doesn't believe what you
believe, to put down people whose opinions don't jive with your own, to try to
get the population at large to believe that everything is a conspiracy and that
the democratic party is absolutely incapable of doing anything right. The best
thing about Hannity on KSL is that it inspired me to become a dedicated listener
to Classical KBYU FM in the afternoon, and KCPW if I want to hear the REAL news.
Light and truth? Really? That's a pretty brazen statement...especially after KSL
aired The 40 Year Old Virgin during primetime on Thanksgiving weekend.
Shouldn't Bonneville International be included in this? It is, after all, the
most diverse of all the LDS Church media companies.
Nothing cracksme up more than people who think the DewNews is 'too liberal'. It
always makes me wonder what planet these people are from.
I am a non Mormon. But I know that Deseret Management Corporation is true.
Civility? Light? Truth? And KSL Radio will still broadcast Sean Hannity?
Deseret Book will still sell Glenn Beck's books? KSL could become a
conservative NPR and Deseret Book could stock great literature and the Deseret
News/KSL could begin to do some investigative reporting if there really was a
desire to follow through on this mission statement, but I suspect the finanacial
bottom line is really what will rule the day. Civility. light and
truth will have to be the goals of individuals, not some sort of mission
statement of corporations who are more worried about profits.
With civility on the list, does this mean the end of the daily Sean Hannity
"Hopefully they will look at their values and get back to basic consertative
principles."But then you would not have light and knowledge.
I have to say, as a member of the LDS church, the phrase "for profit" makes me
cringe. Why on earth are we turning this way? I think I read something
somewhere (like maybe the Bible and the Book of Mormon?) that seeking the things
of this world (i.e. money) weren't compatible with gospel principles. So has
that changed? Also, in reply to Anonymous, I think you've got good
points about objectivity in journalism. Lots of LDS people/leaders have been
wrong in the past about certain things. Just because someone believes in the
gospel doesn't give them some special access to worldly truths. Good reporting,
skeptical inquiry, hard work and an ability to report as true things which might
go against your personal beliefs are all hallmarks of good reporting. Also,
since the Desert Management Corporation believes in civility, light and truth,
I assume they're going to condemn both Fox News and MSNBC with equal vigor?
I'd be curious to get the thoughts of other LDS folks out there.
Wow! What a bunch of bitter, small people we have on this comment board. It must
be a very sad existence to constantly be negative about most everything and, of
course, EVERYTHING LDS.
How about balance, not thinking that all truth comes from the right. The op eds
could use some balancing out. How about returning to really good investigative
reporting like in the old days, instead of killing it off so as to not offend
the perpetrators? How about reporting on controversial issues that may
sometimes not be favorable to the Church, if proper reporting and verification
take place? Even the Church, with its human staffed bureaucracy, needs sunlight
to be effective and honest. The Des News is a good paper, it really is, but it
has to be more. Be leaders, not Pravda West.
People are going to poke at you for this, but I think it is smart and needed.
Hey, this is cool. Good luck in trying to be better.
I just hope this is reflected in their "products". All too often I find that
KSL and DN tend to bend to popular liberal media bias. Hopefully they will look
at their values and get back to basic consertative principles.
I applaud the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for setting a new
standard for the use of media to uplift and inspire people. Too much of media
content today, particularly in the coverage of politics, features incivility,
disrespect for others, and ad hominem attacks. It is not that the
Church's media should be more conservative or more liberal. Rather, it should
be thoughtful (as well as thought-provoking), respectful, civil, inclusive, and
balanced in presentation. I can see definite changes in some of the
current content on Church-owned facilities, which would be good for our
community. Some people in the current audience will complain if
their favorite hosts are no longer heard on the air. (Those are the hosts who
clearly don't fit this mission statement.) They'll complain because they think
such polarizing, uncivil, demeaning political talk is sanctioned by the Church.
This change will tell them that is not the case.What a welcome
change from where we've gone as a nation politically and in terms of the role of
the media! Thank you!
...me with a inscribed spoon of religosity overkill... news is news; pews are
pews. and never should the twain meet.
Willes says "There's no requirement that employees of the various companies be
LDS...If there is not diversity in your organization, you cannot succeed. ... If
we don't have people from different backgrounds, from different points of view,
from different religions and different places, we won't succeed."What utter nonsense. Religious diversity is needed for the organization to
succeed? Really? Willes, you better call Uncle Tom and tell him the Church won't
succeed without employing people of different religions. Call BYU and tell them
the same thing.To be honest, I broke out in loud laughter when I
read the mission statement. A lot of "light and truth" comes out of KSL's
programming? Maybe at Conference time.
The church needs to shed light on its historicity and acknowledge aspects that
are true but perhaps not the facts the leadership want to be exposed.
Historians have a leg up on this and the internet has the information readily
I think Awesome is a Mormon posing as a non Mormon to spread warm and fuzzy
Here we go, the secularization of the LDS church. Eventually it would happen
like it does to all religious groups over time who wish to survive economically.
The church can no longer "hold" its investments. It must get out there and
make a buck to keep this dream alive into the future, but in so doing, in
seeking profit, it will go the road of all capitalistic organizations, the
ambitious virtue-less, do whatever-it-takes to succeed mentality will creep into
church businesses and from there eventually influence the church itself. The
naivete of LDS members in the 80s, 90s, and 00s is drawing to a close and we are
starting to see that all the promises were symbolic, that the devil rules in
this current age, and no good person or profession will remain when an entire
society dies economically and culturally.
These are pretty bold. With so much of media focused on negativity, this is a
great step forward. Best wishes.
As a non-LDS person, allow me to say, these are amazing values.People can say what they want about the LDS people, most of which is nothing
but bitterness, but they certainly lead the way when it comes to values, hard
work and good common sense.
I'm hoping this may lead to a more conservative staff and personalities at KSL,
I thought the mission of the Deseret News was to be a competitive and competent
daily metro newspaper (and online presence of news). Why the need to integrate
and infuse religiosity and other feel-good flavor-of-the-month rhetoric? Doesn't
the newspaper have it's own mission statement? Did the city, state, region and
world change so much that every DMC company's mission statement is so arcane and
archaic that they all need to be homogenized into one? What's so wrong with just
being a really great daily metro newspaper? KSL, just be a local NBC-affiliate
that produces quality work. Leave the "search for truth and light" to the Ensign
and to Music and the Spoken Word. For those of us Gentiles that appreciate what
the Deseret News and KSL have to offer outside the Church lines, don't change it
one bit. Please. Leave your new Articles of Faith in Sunday School, not the
front page or top of the hour newscasts.