Utah Jazz: Trade rumor-mill up and running


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  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 7, 2010 8:45 a.m.

    WHatever happens, the jazz need to decide what it's going to be. the jazz can probably trade boozer and get under the cap, that's probably all they'll get for boozer straight up, maybe a second round pick too.
    Maybe they can use his ec as leverage to move ak47 too, which seems impossible.
    If it comes down to trading boozer to just get under the cap, maybe getting haslem in return, fans, is it worth it?
    YOu know,
    I want to see this team structure itself with out boozer, and better to do it sooner than later, that's my thought. It would be great to get something good in return, it just doesn't seem right that it isn't happening, but maybe closer to the deadline.

  • Re: Re: Bring Tmac to the Pro...
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:39 p.m.

    Wake up, is anybody in there??? You are questioning my basketball IQ... Have you seen the Jazz play lately??? Are you really convinced that ANY of those three Boozer, Milsap, or Ak can Actually play PF... You are the typical Jazz fan, trying to make something out of nothing. The Jazz need an outside threat Desperatly. More so then keeping MILSAP. I really don't care what they did to keep him 6 months ago, times and needs change... I can guarantee you that EVERY GM in the league would trade AK and Milsap for TMAC. I guess that's why your not a GM! Why don't you go on trying to win a championship with broken pieces.. You know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again expecting different results...

  • Covey McSnackerlin
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:23 p.m.

    I think the jazz should trade for chris paul, d-wade and dwight howard. The starting lineup would be Deron, Chris, D-wade, Booz, and Dwight. That would be a good team and there is a good chance that we could land those guys too. It's all up to Mr. O'connor.

  • Here Are The Trades
    Jan. 6, 2010 7:57 p.m.

    Jazz Cop, the fans already ARE "alienated" and we're a heckuva lot more realistic than the front office.

    With AK & CJ off the books next year, that'd be an extra 22 million to go after a "star", on top of the 18 million of Boozer & Korver's expirings.

    Nobody is going to trade a "star" headup for Boozer as he's expiring, and the Jazz can't sign anyone this summer with AK on the books.

    Arenas has played his last game this season. If his contract is voided and he's reinstated next year, yeah offer him 6-7 mil/yr, see how it goes.

  • Gukina
    Jan. 6, 2010 7:01 p.m.

    Trade Boozer for T-Mac and let`s play AK at pf man!
    Deron T-Mac Brewer AK Memo how about that?
    Millsap Mathews Korver Price or the new guy, And KK at bench

    I don't think thats bad

  • JD
    Jan. 6, 2010 6:17 p.m.

    Todd, do you own a business? If so, do you take advice from anonymous people on how to run it?

    I'm not trying to say that O'Connor hasn't made mistakes. I just don't think it is as easy to actually do what he does as it is for people who have little or no experience in any kind of business to talk about what he or Sloan or the Jazz organization "need" to do.

  • Sneaky Jimmy
    Jan. 6, 2010 5:59 p.m.

    To all the baskeball geniuses that want to get rid of Sloan and change his offense. Have you noticed when they win it's because they have executed the offense. When they lose it's because they have not executed the offense. It's pretty simple but you have to want to compete. They don't have the ability to do that every night, only when on national TV.

  • todd to jd
    Jan. 6, 2010 5:31 p.m.




    Putting your trust into Kevin O' Connor is like putting trust gas is not going way up again.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 5:09 p.m.

    @here are the trades, any of those trades would alienate the fan base and the money saved would result in a long rebuilding process, with a large portion of the fans alienated.
    the jazz need to get another star, and go from there.

  • JD
    Jan. 6, 2010 5:05 p.m.

    Personally, I don't think the coaching is as significant a problem as the lack of a clear leader on the floor. Though I wouldn't mind seeing a new coach(Avery Johnson would be my choice), I think that it will be of little benefit unless someone, preferably Williams, steps into the leadership role.

  • JD
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:54 p.m.

    For the fans, I would suggest waiting patiently. No, I am not joking. I have no doubt that the Jazz will try to do everything they can to get better. Unfortunately, this is more difficult than it might appear. It is easy for us fans to demand a trade.

    It is much more difficult for management to try to make a trade that will simultaneously help the short- and/or long-term financial situation, make the team better, and please a majority of the fans.

    Though the Maynor trade may, due to its easing the financial burden, do a lot to help the Jazz in the long run, it seems to only have met only one of the criteria above. Ultimately, I think the Jazz will try to do everything they can to make this team better. Whether it will be enough, however, is still in doubt.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:49 p.m.

    Besides, i'd rather have a man crush on gilbert than a stiff one for sloan, hahaha!!! U CRACK ME UP

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:35 p.m.

    @brandon - haha i know, gilbert will finally get these guys to play, or else, hahaha!!!
    the jazz can rally around a guy like gilbert,
    the reason wash has no chemistry is the same reasons the jazz have no chenistry,
    all the teams need to do is give some players a fresh start.

  • Brandon
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:16 p.m.

    Haha Jazz Cop has a hardcore man crush on Gilbert Arenas! What makes you think he would be good with the Jazz and not Washington? Jamison is just as good as Boozer and they have Caron Butler.. Gilbert Arenas is a plague just like Boozer.. Gilbert could come in and shoot up our whole locker room!! Then we have to start all over! Without Deron! Good thinkin Jazz Cop! Your a genius

  • Here Are The Trades
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:08 p.m.

    1. Sloan & Johnson for Interim Corbin and whoever he wants.

    2. Sloan's system for a system that fits the roster.

    3. Boozer is untradable because any other team will send us a worse player with a worse contract. Let him play out the string then he's gone and Jazz aren't going anywhere anyway.

    Note: The Knicks currently are tied for the 8th worst record, not a great chance at John Wall, who while mad-skilled is very raw.

    4a. AK, CJ & the Knicks pick for Shaq. Buy Shaq out, he gets a month rest & re-signs w/Clev. Jazz get huge savings this year AND next year.

    4b. AK, CJ, Koufos & the Knicks pick for T-Mac, same buyout & savings as above.

    5. Jazz lunacy that they are a contender for reality. This team is not close, the Maynor trade was horrible as dumping AK is all that's needed and Maynor was a gift where he landed, no college player now would be close to helping the Jazz. Wall will be great one day, but we need a healthy Blake Griffin and a 2nd pure PG.

  • @ Long Mouth
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:02 p.m.

    Gilbert Arenas = big pay = little play = big trouble = apparently there's some problems there.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:00 p.m.

    the jazz should get chris bosh. get rid of AK booz okur and korver.

  • re: Re: rotation
    Jan. 6, 2010 3:54 p.m.

    To be honest I don't like Fes as a starter nor much as a backup.

    I also don't like Boozer and Millsap on the floor together.

    My proposed starters give Dwill more oportunities passing/dishing/pick and roll/pop and roll with the other starters.

    I just think that AK, Memo and CJ seem to be the problem rotation players.

    For first rotation what about:

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 3:16 p.m.

    The fact that arenas is suspended can be used as leverage, it is brilliant, its the right time to move, stern is coming down hard because he wants to assist the wizards, but the wizards are not going to be able to void arenas contract, come on, against the players association, stern doesn't have that much influence, it's just going to end real ugly for the wizards now, they made the mistake of pushing it and they made their bed, the wizards might have a chance if arenas is convicted of a felony, but that is unlikely, the wizards are doing a real bad job with the situation, and I say the jazz take advantage of it. this is just bad, its so transparent what stern is doing, and how the wizards are trying to manipulate the situation, it kind of leaves me sick in my stomach.
    maybe the wizards are ticked that arenas got injured, but he's back and strong, oh yeah,i wouldn't worry about injury, he jacked up the wiz like booz did with the jazz, but he looks stronger than ever.

  • cowboy jose
    Jan. 6, 2010 3:01 p.m.

    reminds me of "DICK" chenney

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 3:00 p.m.

    arenas played just 13 games in 07-08 2 in 08-09 and is going to be suspended probably the rest of the season so that puts him at 45 games in 3 years
    yep brilliant move jazz cop

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    @dave-exactly, on paper the jazz look good and have every reason to be optimistic, but that is common sense, and what is common sense delivering in this case, yeah, really. u r right.

    this common sense approach, and moves that have been typical of the jazz, are going to take them nowhere, just slowly they'll get worse and worse, because of lack of any kind of influence, players get lazier and lazier, this is the result and state of the jazz.

    trade for arenas, and make sloan coach him, if sloan can't do it, get rid of sloan.

    people don't think i'm serious about arenas, but i am, (1)i am pro anything that will give sloan a hard time, (2) it's pretty much a fact that you can't win a championship with out three go to guys, the jazz already have one, they can get another pretty easily, its a no brainer.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:39 p.m.

    @anonymous-the arenas idea is brilliant, especially since he is suspended, don't you see, it is the lack of foresight that has got the jazz in this mess. this is the easiest and best way for the jazz to add a real star, who no one wants right now, who is overpaid, but the jazz are going to have to overpay any superstar to come to utah, if they can even get one interested in the first place.
    yeah, sloan would hate arenas, this makes the idea even better. any player that sloan doesn't like, must be a good player for this system, the players sloan likes don't make it work.
    if you've seen arenas play with that little midget that wash has at pg, you'll see he has great chemistry with true pg's, it would be a great fit to have him with dwill.
    too many people who think the world is flat, stuff like that, holding progress back, that's all.

  • phnehme
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:32 p.m.

    I repeat something I said several days ago. We have too many guys demanding minutes now. We need a solid 8 man rotation and 5 practice/roll players. Look at the top teams...all have short rotations. Trying to play 13 guys everynight doesn't allow anyone to get in a rythme....addtition by subtraction is the way to go....Lose Boozer! Doesn't matter what we get back. We already have the players to step in a take his minutes and put up his stats....

  • Dave
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:24 p.m.

    Hey, I don't follow the Jazz that much but saw all these comments and thought I'd chime in.

    How they doin' anyway? Must be good right?

    They have the AllStar Boozer in a contract year so he must be playing his butt off. Williams has been snubbed in previous AllStar games and this year's gonna be in his home town so he must be playing his butt off. AK was the Euro leage MVP during playoffs, so that's great right? Millsap has come along since he's realized he's being taken seriously at the NBA level. Fesenko has had a couple of years to develop so he must be kickin' butt by now. Korver finally got that knee cleaned up so he can get his stroke back. Miles skipped summer league because he felt that this was his breakout year so he's gotta be doing good. AK, Booz & Ocur are all former AllStars. All that PLUS they are coached by a HALL OF FAME Coach.

    Like I said, I don't really follow them much so someone tell me, how they doin'? Are they ranked 1st? 2nd? Top 5?

    What? No?.... Really?

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    Just watch if the jazz trade for arenas, as soon as he and dwill get some chemistry, around this time next year, we'll have a pretty exciting bball team to watch, one with a promising future.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:14 p.m.

    get rid of booz memo and ak. find a new center that can play defense like Emeka Okafor. also pick up a couple solid backups at the forward positions.
    Possible starters- Williams, Brewer, Miles, Milsap, Okafor
    Between the 2 lottery picks we will have and players to be traded we should be able to find some solid backups and role players.
    p.s. the arenas ideas are dumb especially since he is suspended

  • Jazz COp
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:13 p.m.

    I'm saying the jazz won't win a champoinship without at least one more player of the caliber of dwill and arenas. trades for a player like arenas don't come along everyday, besides, i feel in my gut dwill and arenas would be a great combo. is something better going to come along, i think, if you're going to turn over the roster, a trade for arenas is about is good as it's going to get.
    then you go and fill out the roster with the right role players, and try to add another start through free agency or the draft.
    it will take a couple of years, but even if the jazz try to work their roster, their chances of getting a playe like arenas this easily are very small indeed,
    simple probabilities jimbo.

  • Cowboy Joe on Arenas
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:11 p.m.


  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:10 p.m.

    Sorry jimbo. You must've missed your homework on probability calculations of the jazz winning a champoiunship without a player like arenas. how are they going to get a player like arenas in utah, minus a trade, through free agency?
    i agree, he seems overpaid, but to get him, your getting rid of the overpaid ak47, because arenas plays with passion and is a proven scorer, he can actually come closer to making what his contract is paying him, even though he'll never be the killer that kobe or james are, he's a pretty good game closer none the less.

  • Missing Larry
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:59 p.m.

    @ Darin Pitt, 12:05. The Space Needle is a better deal, but, Energy Solutions was involved in the trade and they demanded the waste. However, with the nice inversion ES said we won't see the stuff coming.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:56 p.m.

    @blauch-yes i agree with your idea, ak should be starting, and millsap should start as everyone knows he is the future, sans a trade. your statistics back this up. but it is also intuitive, ak is probably not going anywhere unless it's a huge trade, such as the one i've proposed for arenas, and millsap the same, he has more trade value though, i say try to trade them both, start over and get a proven star like arenas and have some draft picks and a few role players, and build with that.
    it is idiocy to not try to trade for arenas, the situation the jazz are in, really, come on? there is an opportunity to pick up a proven star and get under the cap, and because of small minds, clouded with darkness, who can't see a brilliant opportunityh when it presents itself, well, i guess it goes with out saying, there is a reason why people have thought the world was flat, there will always be our fair share of idiots to deal with.

  • plyxply
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:56 p.m.

    we really either need LeBron or Dwight Howard. Whoever besides DWill we have to sacrifice I would think it's worth it. Anyone else with me?

  • To Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:47 p.m.

    I cant believe you are still on the Gilbert Arenas thing.

    There are a handful of players worth paying 22 million a year. They include:


    Maybes include:

    Like Cowboy Joe said, he is injury prone and he brings guns to work. But dont listen to me, I am just an "average thinker" with an MS in Atomic Physics.


  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:45 p.m.

    @miles-no, arenas would be the perfect mentor for cj, cj would blossom under his leadership, they are the same kind of player, except arenas is way better, it would be a good situation for cj.

    @houdini and cowboy joe-this is what happens when the farm hands get bored with their "pet" lambs, the most creative you can be is a degrading paradox that reflects on your lack of true charachter.
    lack of charachter=average.
    average=houdini and cowboy joe.
    lack of charachter=jazz team
    keep jazz team same=houdini and cowboy joe.
    houdini and cowboy joe=proof that idiots have ideas too, just not any good ones, go back to your farm with sloan boys, theres some corn needs picking and sheep that need loving.

  • Blauch
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:30 p.m.

    How about instead of trading Millsap and AK - we start them. There is an Idea. Considering, over the last season and a half when they are on the court together the Jazz outscore their opponents 360 points and both of them are on the bench the Jazz have been outscored by 81 points. See the goal of an NBA team is to score more points than the opponent. The only time the Jazz have done that is when AK and Millsap are in the game.

  • Cowboy Joe
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:22 p.m.

    The only rumor true on these posts today is the one about Jazz Cop's mom and I.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:03 p.m.

    The same reason the wizards have no chemistry is the same reason the jazz have no chemistry, injuries and laziness.
    Arenas needs a fresh start, dwill needs a fresh start, the two together could be a pretty good comb given they have a concept that is succesfull.
    the game is more of an outside to inside game, arenas is this kind of player, but he really plays with alot of passion like dwill, and i think they would play well with eachother. the more i talk about it, the more i like it. and it's not empty speculation, it's just ridiculed by the below average fan like cowboy joe, who ends up taking up all my opinions later on anyway.

  • Leon
    Jan. 6, 2010 1:01 p.m.

    Wow, must be a slow work day. Seriously, 71 comments about rumors?

  • Houdini to Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    Can I play with your mom when Cowboy Joe is done. That little Jerry will be a good coach someday. Good thing he got your mom's good looks.

  • Miles to Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    Cowboy Joe is spot on. Arena not only is a loser, he would take away CJ's minutes. He is the only one trying right now. Even the Mailman thinks Arenas has lost it. We boo when Boozer get's hurt, Arenas has only played in 35 games the last 3 years. That makes Boozer look durable.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:46 p.m.

    @Todd-I know you'd agree that part of the problem is the fan base, there is a perception that the fan base needs to be happy with a trade, the forget about trying to make the likes of cowboy joe happy, you must agree, you can't pass up the opportunity to add arenas, who is a solid player, solid, allstar type player, and will be for the next few years, the fact that so many people would be initally opposed doesn't make the idea bad, considering that 75% are like cowboy joe, and just average thinkers, i'm saying it would be a good move because people like cowboy joe don't like it, he thinks he's with my mom or something? he's living in a cave, and is just representative of the average and below average, which is what the jazz are right now, an average to below average team that might not make the playoffs because of the kind of fear of fans like cowboy joe, which the front office honors, and sloan perpetuates.

  • Teacher
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    I see a lot of Sloan haters here, however, when the Jazz play the way they are capable of they are one of the better teams in the league. Jerry can be headstrong about some things, but when you have a soft 4 and a soft 5 who have no desire or effort on defense, then add cj who wants to throw up every ball that touches his hand, then that spells disaster.
    Sloan needs to start Matthews again, an idea endorsed by Deron. This is all on the players. How can you not agree with Sloan that million dollar athletes don't need any more motivation than to live up to the money they get.
    Really big mistake in keeping CJ, we saw what he can do, now it's time to let him go. Package with Boozer, but expect nothing in return except salary cap relief.

  • Trade?
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:37 p.m.

    Trade Ron Boone for Matt Harpring!

  • bh
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:35 p.m.

    When are the Jazz players going to finally admit to themselves that they are playing for the Love of the
    game and not the money. Until this happens it doesn't matter who they have on the roster. If money is the prime motivator and the desire to win has been replaced by acceptance of loss then nothing managment could do will change this team.

  • Cowboy Joe
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:30 p.m.

    Now to get of the subject of moms because I just got off Jazz Cop's, the Jazz need to make some changes.
    1. SLOWn has had a successful coaching career, but his time has come and gone. He lost this team 2 years ago.
    2. DWill is not a leader. A good player, but no one you build a contender around.
    3. Signing Okur to 2 more years is enough to FIRE KOC
    4. Make some bold moves to tank the year so that we can draft JOHN Wall.

  • todd to jazz cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:28 p.m.

    I like your ideas. I know you are talking about financial issues with Arenas, but I figured he is the type of "me first ball hogs that would not only fit with Sloan but the community"

    I do try and be fair and balance these things out keeping in mind, what attracts people to the Jazz it is tough balancing act.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:25 p.m.

    @cowboy joe=except little jerry would be alot smarter than either you or sloan. better looking too, and alot more charming. in otherwords, theres nothing to worry about, because he wouldn't be anything like you.

    look, the jazz have an opportunity to land a serious star, who doesn't have the problems cowboy joe fears.
    while doing this, they turn the roster over, and let the whatever role players that are left to play out the rest of the season, the role players represent the possible future, and they have a draft pick or two, this is a solid nucleus to build around.

  • AK is Ostertag
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    Ostertag's contract kept the Jazz from adding that needed piece to win the title in the late 90's. AK has done the same in the late 2000's. It's pretty sad. I was begging for management to make that Marion for AK trade a few years ago yet KOC turned it down. Without AK, this team isn't worrying about money and is adding small pieces to put us over the hump. Too bad KOC made another blunder by extending Okur to that amount of money.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:13 p.m.

    Keep Williams and Boozer, and Kirlenko, get rid of Okur and most of the bench

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    It is not the players that need to be looked at they need to look at replacing Jerry Sloan and get a fresh out look with a new coach

  • Darin Pitt
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    Also, Larry Brown was not coaching for the Spurs when they won their championships, that would be Gregg Popovich. Who has a better winning percentage than Sloan (.677) but has said multiple times that he drew inspiration for his teams from the Jazz.

    I also never said that Sloan is the best coach in the league, but he has a tremendous amount of success in his career and has been the one common factor in the Jazz making it to the playoffs in 18 out of the past 21 years since he first started coaching in 1989 for the Jazz. So, yes you can say that maybe the current Jazz team has tuned him out, but you can't knock his accomplishments. Probably the best coach never to win a championship in NBA history.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    keep Derek Williams and the best players , get rid of the worst,

  • Cowboy Joe to Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:08 p.m.

    What has two thumbs, loves the Jazz, Wants them to make changes and draft John Wall, and plays with your mom?


  • Cowboy Joe
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:06 p.m.

    Cowboy Joe+ Jazz Cops's mom= little Jerry

  • Darin Pitt
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    I fully agree with Cowboy Joe - trading for Arenas would be the dumbest move ever! Lets get a gun toting shoot first, short, shooting guard who may be past his prime with a huge contract with many years remaining.

    Missing Larry - lets just trade the Jazz to Seattle for the Space Needle.

    As for Sloan's winning percentage compared to Larry Brown's -

    Jerry Sloan - Seasons 23 Playoffs 18 Reg. Season Record 1089-717 (.603) Playoffs 93-94 (.497)

    Larry Brown - Seasons 22 Playoffs 17 Reg. Season Record 1010-800 (.558) Playoffs 100-89 (.500)

  • Andre
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:02 p.m.

    I say play out the year with the team you've got unless you can get a good shooter, or a defensive minded center for Boozer and Miles. Develop your young centers this year and use Okur as more of a role player. Next year we should pick up a good lottery pick, plus have some money under the cap if we don't resign Boozer. Jerry has to open up his overly structured offense a little bit. Players don't like it and it's too easily defended in today's NBA. Build around Williams, AK(but only at a reduced salary on next contract), Milsap, Matthews and hopefully bring in a couple of new pieces next year. Trading Maynor was a mistake. He's a good person as well as a good player and now it's a trainwreck when Williams isn't on the floor.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    now Iam a long time jazz fan and still am...for now but the jazz need to do something. anything. because the way it is now isnt cutting it. so make something happen stir it up, trade sign fire bench whatever the case may be something has to change or this IS over for a long time to come.we need another impact player Kevin at least 1 so do what you have to do even though it might sting a little.

  • Jazz COp
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    Everyone oppossed to trading for gilber arenas say I,
    ok, that's probably about 75% of the people, or in otherwords, it's all the average and below average thinkers.
    average thinker=cowboy joe
    pedantic methodology=average thinking=sloan=cowboy joe=jazz front office=the reason why this team has gotten steadily worse.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:57 a.m.

    Commissioned based salaries.........not a new idea but would never fly. It would be nice if they multiplied their contracts by the "team's winning percentage".............that would keep them motivated to WIN and not just play.

  • Fair
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:55 a.m.

    I think that Sloan/KOC/Miller need to come forward with a road map for the fans, a public statement on how they intend to fix the following problems in both the short and long run.

    They need to reassure the fan base with a realistic plan for moving this franchise forward.

    1. How to fix the Sloan inside offense.
    2. How to fix the 2 decade pattern of road losses.
    3. How to fix the inside defense.
    4. How to fix the outside shooting.
    5. How to do a better job of drafting first round picks.

    If they will come forward with a believable plan (even if it takes 2 years to do it) the fan base will start to believe that they may be serious about putting a quality team in place.

    If they were to even acknowledge the above were problems that they would try to address at least that would send a message that they realize where the problems are.

    If Greg really wants support from the fan base then he needs to start addressing specific problems instead of making broad bland PR statements.

    We realize it takes time to fix problems right. Give us signals.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:53 a.m.

    Cowboy joe=sloan lover
    sloan=not very smart
    not very smart=bad decisons
    bad decions=cowboy joe!!!!!!

    kids, don't grow up to be like cowboy joe.

  • Re rotation
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    how about Williams,Matthews,Millsap,Boozer and Fes?

  • Houdini to Monty M
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    if miles got paid by made baskets,rebounds,assists....he`d be broke and living at the homeless shelter

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    @cowboy joe-wow, you're really have some astute observations, not. you're going to criticize my expertise, yet the jazz can make this happen and you have no idea how much it would improve this team. Instead of criticizing someone who is superior to you in every way, I have a better idea, why don't you retire your jurassic sized brain, put it in a little jar that sloan can keep on his desk for the limited insight you provide.

  • Jazz Stink?
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    You can't make chicken salad out chicken fertilizer ....

  • todd to cowboy joe?
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    What can I do for you? You rang?

    Yeah off today reading some good posts, some not so.

    Arenas I cannot stand him, so nay there

    Sloan is "a demigod"


    No only over decade ago, that is all. Not so long.

    On a serious note: I agree with the post on O COnnor, a real work of art, and Greg just like Dad

    Greg knows you guys "eat up being fun and competitive"

    He expects his sellouts, getting the Bear and the Nuskin Dancers to make the mandatory appearances locally, merchandise etc..

    I said before. If he cared what the "smart want" A successful, Championship Contender, he would not "stand pat" he would not have hired "Dave Locke" who the majority cannot stand.

    He does not care what you think...

    You can support the colors, Jersey, heritage and team play to root for the team play and its fans etc....

    That is the only thing left....

  • rotation
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    what does the brain trust think of trying this starting set:


  • Missing Larry
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    The rumor I heard was that we trade the entire Utah Jazz to Seattle in exchange for some of their nuclear waste.

  • Team
    Jan. 6, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    I agree that chemistry is the issue. Did you see the other night with CJ threw down the 360 dunk? His teammates did not even stand up or get excited. They clapped with as much enthusiasm as Korver making a free throw.

    To me this provided a snapshot into their support for one another, or for CJ. Do they all hate him? Do they not like each other so much not to cheer for one another's success? We need someone that everyone can cheer for to bring this team together.

    C'mon Dwill - win one for the gipper!

    Once.....I'd like to see AK use his new muscles and go up strong and dunk on someone!

    Jan. 6, 2010 10:53 a.m.

    Hey guys, are you listening. Most teams (that are any good) have two or three stars. We have one, and until we get at least one more we will never be any better than an average or below average team. Where is our franchise players? We need top ten picks not second round nobodies.

  • Monty Montana
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    Instead of paying a player a guaranteed salary they should be paid by the rebound, assist, steal, made basket and then have to pay back every time they turn over the ball. That would make for an interesting game.

  • Larry's Ghost
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:51 a.m.

    Do you know what this team really needs? It's not a trade... It's not to dump Sloan or KOC... It's not "Chemistry"... They need someone to lay down the smack! Remember when Larry Miller would storm the locker room during half time or after a game. He'd call the team things like "Soft" and "Heartless" and "Weak". The players seemed to get the point and would come out with more intensity and actually run the system rather than just going through the motions.

    Jerry's game is old and worn but it works. Well, it works if the players aren't soft. It requires players to set hard screens, to rub your defender off and sprint to where your open shot is waiting for you. It requires players to muscle for position and take the ball to the rack hard to draw a foul. None of that is easy to do. It takes effort, muscle, toughness, determiniation, heart!

    Players are soft. They'll go inside when they don't get bumped around. Otherwise, they'll take the outside shot... SOFT.

    Go watch Stockton set a pick under the basket or Malone muscle around inside...

  • Cowboy Joe to Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:47 a.m.

    Trade for Arenas. To save money. That is the dumbest thing I have heard. Not only is he injury proned, he is a horrible character guy. Plus he is owed 110 million dollars over the next 5 years. Washington would trade in a heart beat. That is the one trade I am glad the Jazz will not make. Get a clue before you post. Todd

    Jan. 6, 2010 10:44 a.m.

    "he (Sloan) has had so much success in Utah and taken us to two Finals and a Western Conf. Finals not too long ago, lets not forget what he has done for this franchise". Hey Darin, percentage wise, Sloan is not that good. When compared to other teams (coaches) that win, Sloan's record doesn't match up very well. Even Larry Brown's record is better than Sloan's (and Brown coached for several teams including the NBA champs the Spurs. Darin, do you know the difference between the Jazz and the Spurs? About 6 championship rings!!

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:31 a.m.

    THe players are frustrated, with the coach, how they play, eachother, whatever, but the frustration is most evident with dwill. The jazz could turnover the roster a bunch, and bring in a player like gilbert arenas, maybe another young player, and a draft pick; thats a pretty good plan, i like the direction of it, no matter what they do, they need to shed salary, they can shed some salary, and give dwill and arenas a fresh start and the chance to build the team chemistry with them at the nucleus.

    its idiocy to not be making trades, and alot of them, just idiocy.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:29 a.m.

    I say we get rid of the GM... I wish there was a way... After meeting him and talking with him for a while he is a real tool... And Greg Miller isn't any better... Get rid of Kirelenko, Fesenko, and Miles and bring in T-Mac or somebody that will play better than the 3 combined and just give him there salary... I am a long time Jazz fan and something needs to be done fast!!

  • A New Coach-New Offense
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    It's the only thing that will work at this time. A new coach would also change the defense and that is the other part of this machine that needs overhauling. Get over it fans, the players have quit on this coach! Let a new staff decide who they want to keep and who they need in their system to be successful. It's the only way now. Like him or hate him Sloan HAS got to go!

  • Who are these people that love
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:26 a.m.

    Boozer? What team are you watching ....... He needs to go now! Dwill can't stand him and he doesn't eve want to be here.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:18 a.m.

    Trade millsap for tyrus thomas, trade boozer for a late first round pick, take okur to cleaveland, trade ak and brewer for gilbert arenas,

    Basically, the jazz should try to shed as much salary as possible, and turnover the roster, any of the so called "leaders" on this team should be dealt, and we give dwill a fresh slate, where he can be a leader and he can create a new leadership group with new co-captains, gilbert arenas.

    The jazz are crazy to sit around and not try to get arenas if they unload ak in the deal,

    The jazz can bring in another leader like arenas, and get rid of the old leadership group who has failed, get rid of boozer and millsap, maybe keep okur around because he's a follower

    dwill and arenas might be the best backcourt in the league, and the jazz are doing nothing to make it happen,
    and then,
    we get stupid nonsense from ownership and front office, anyone can see that dwill with arenas would be a pretty wicked combo,
    Especially if the jazz unload ak47, they could get this deal done, but they aren't doing it,

  • Darin Pitt
    Jan. 6, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    Larry Miller wouldn't fire Sloan even if he was still around. I agree with the last post, Sloan isn't going anywhere until he chooses, and really, he has had so much success in Utah and taken us to two Finals and a Western Conf. Finals not too long ago, lets not forget what he has done for this franchise.

  • Cowboy Joe WE NEED JOHN WALL
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:59 a.m.

    Wall would be the best player and most athletic to ever play in Utah. We have never seen a player of that caliber here before. Keep losing so we can draft him, and trade DWILL.

    OH wait SLOWn would not utilize Wall and he would be stuck on the bench.

    Never mind

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:51 a.m.

    When AK played Power Foward his starting lineup was Ostertag, AK, Harpring(except he was injured most of the season and they play the rookie Pavalic) , Bell, Arroyo and they won 42 games. I am sure running the same offense, but putting Matthews, Okur, Miles and Williams in with AK they would be pretty successful.

  • Why is number 8...
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:33 a.m.

    So untouchable in all this? Last I checked it's been his inability to NOT turn the darn ball over that has cost us several games lately. I say the whole roster is trade-worthy get rid of anybody that doesn't want to do their dang job for this team.

    As for all of you griping about Sloan; you are barking up the wrong tree. The guy is going nowhere until HE DECIDES. No way are the Jazz going to "Bobby-Bowden" him. The dude is a demi-god to the organization and like Paterno will leave when he's darn-good-and-ready. No matter how bad you hate him you KNOW this is true.

    So, get over yourselves and let's focus on what Jazz brass can (but seem unwilling so far) fix and that is this rotten team we have.

    Getting back to my first point numbers 8 & 5 should be at the top of the list to go; they carry the most value.

    Now... all of you blind DWill and Jazz loyalists go ahead and try and tell me I'm wrong. LHM where are you when this team needs you?!?!

  • BJ
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:30 a.m.

    The problem with AK is Boozer. Doesn't anyone remember how the Jazz played when Boozer was OUT last year!

  • Miles
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    If KOC were smart, he would start clearing out his salaries the next two years. Not make trades but let AK, Boozer, Korver and Brewer go. Sign his rookie draft picks (2 first round) next year and be an average team in 2010 -11. Most teams are looking to spend next year. The Jazz should keep their money for the 2011-12 free agent market when most teams will be over the cap.

    At this point the Jazz need to go backwards to go forward.

  • Winning
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:27 a.m.

    You won't win if you don't play to win...plain and simple.

  • Miles
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    @Pokemon: Do you understand how much money an NBA player makes these days? CJ's contract is peanuts. Why don't you talk about how much Korver makes? Or how much we just resigned Memo for?

    All the luxury tax problems will go away next year when Korver and Boozer come off the books and we trade AK.

  • Golden State
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:12 a.m.

    Nelson has a man-crush on AK. Can't we trade him for Monta Ellis or Cory Maggette? Azubuike?

  • No Team Chemistry
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:11 a.m.

    In spite of a deep bench, lots of talent and potential, and a super high payroll, the Jazz have no chemistry in thier lineups. No spark of excitement exists. Korver brought a spark last season, but since all of thier injuries last year and this season they have been almost completely lethargic. Matthews brought a spark this season, Fez is a crowd favorite, Maynor brought excitement to the floor, but the rest of the regulars look like this is all a business deal that isn't going very well. I think Jazz fans would rather have a losing season with a bunch of enthusiastic players trying hard, than another mediocre seaon limping into the playoffs only to be embarassed by an early exit by a lethargic effort.

  • Fez and Koufos
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    would be playing if they could at this level. When either is on the court they make mistakes and are clumsy. If they could get it done in practice against our starters they might get playing time, but apparently they are unable to do so. Which is sad since I think every big man in the league looks forward to playing our soft starters.

  • RE:Bring Tmac to the Promised La
    Jan. 6, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    Trade Millsap?
    Do you know the trouble the Jazz went through to keep Millsap this off season? Obviously not. So we trade Millsap, Boozer leaves this summer and our starting Power Forward for the 2010-2011 season is who? Koufos?
    Haha. I don't think you understand this team, or even the game of basketball.

  • Doug
    Jan. 6, 2010 8:45 a.m.

    KOC spent his money and tried to get TMac for AK but Houston said no. We should get over that trade.

    We have a talented coach, we have talented players but we have too many losses. Something is not working. If Jerry cannot coach these players for whatever reason the players or the coach has to change. ..... Too bad for the players.

    It would be great to trade AK and get a high caliber player that would help Boozer stay around. Boozer knows he needs a great pg in order to keep his numbers high in the NBA. Very few teams have the high caliber pg that is willing to pass the ball. If we unloaded AK and got somebody of real value that could team with Boozer and DWill for a run at the title he may be convinced to stay.

    Millsap at that position will not cut it for us. Bringing AK to that position is silly as he loses the ball every time he dribbles it in the key.

    Talk about playing Loufous and Fez to see what we got is not smart. That is what practice is for.

  • Pokemon
    Jan. 6, 2010 8:43 a.m.

    Matching CJ was a mistake. Matching Milsap was a mistake. These deals may have made sense if they were our #1 options at their position (and maybe we thought they would be), but CJ is too eratic to be that option and Milsap is not as good as Boozer and probably not as good as Andre at the 4 (if he got to play it). We showed we are willing to spend money, but I don't think we got better by doing it. I think we lack discipline and real "intent" with our trades and signings. Seems more like my kid playing Pokemon -- "Gotta Keep 'em all".

  • Hollywood
    Jan. 6, 2010 8:42 a.m.

    AK at the 4...are you kidding me? Yeah, maybe he'd block 1-2 shots. But the rest of the time he'd get pushed right under the basket and regular POWER forwards would score easy layups. AK is too thin to play PF. He'd be behind the bench in a suit within a week sporting a shoulder or back injury.

    AK COULD play backup PF against most teams. But at $18M, his contract needs to go. Won't happen until next year. No team has money to take on his contract until it's an expiring one.

    AS for other roster moves, Jazz need to trade Boozer for a starter. Carlos is gone this summer, so Utah needs to get something in return. But they won't. Greg Miller is just like his daddy: too cheap to put together a contender. Nope, any additional trades will involve money-saving transaction.

    And if no deals can be made, then the Jazz will just let Boozer walk, make a choice between re-signing Korver or matching an offer for Ronnie B., get some cap relief from trading AK's contract, and voila - Utah is under the luxury tax level.

  • Why write about it?
    Jan. 6, 2010 8:37 a.m.

    Why do people care about trade rumors? This Jazz management team will never pull off a major trade, just like the Jazz players, all talk, no action. Thank you Jazz management for saving me money this year.

  • Trade Sloan First
    Jan. 6, 2010 8:17 a.m.

    I agree, Sloan is the first one that needs to go. All these years in the league and no championship. Claims he is tough and teams should defend, yet Jazz players are just the opposite. I don't think we see the real side of him, just the fake on game day.

  • Jazz and before that Stars Fan
    Jan. 6, 2010 8:11 a.m.

    There is only one thing that will change the Jazz. Sloan has demanded that the team plays his O & D that has been used since he was arrived. Everything has changed but him. It may help if a timeout was used from time to time.

  • Trade Sloan....
    Jan. 6, 2010 7:16 a.m.

    Trade Jerry and half your problems are solved.

  • KOC
    Jan. 6, 2010 6:58 a.m.

    umm....Sorry Jazzfans, umm....Were not going to make any trades before the deadline umm.....We want so see how well Kyle does when he is fully recovered umm.....We are just looking to dump more salary if we do make a trade umm...This team can still compete for a 2nd spot in the west umm.....

  • akk
    Jan. 6, 2010 6:32 a.m.

    Play Brewer at the 3 were he can run the baseline and use his ability to get on top of the rim. Trades? Kirlinko and Miles for Maggette, Turiaf and Claxton maybe have to add small parts to make salaries work. NO trade Okur and something for Okafor or Boozer for Okafor.

  • akk
    Jan. 6, 2010 6:17 a.m.

    It is clear that this team as currently constructed will be no better than a 7 or 8 seed. Moves need to be made. I agree AK has been terribly misused. He is a 4. He is wasted chasing three point shooters around who are faster than him and keep him 20 ft from the basket. Same on offense. He needs to be around the basket. This falls on Sloan. He has had plenty of time to figure this out. Use him right or trade him. No need for Boozer and Milsap on the same team. Not enough minutes. Trade one of these three and let the other two play the 4. If you have Okur you need a defensive big man to alternate with him. Find out if Fez and Koufas can play & or trade for a big man. Get rid of Miles, he is taking playing time from better players. Get a combo gaurd that can play the 2 and back up Dwill. Price is a last resort, not a back up point.

  • THEeyepatch
    Jan. 6, 2010 4:48 a.m.

    16.4 million a year and 18 million for the 2010-2011 season for Andre.... WOW! That is unbelievable, excuse me a moment, I have to pick up my jaw. I guess someone believed Kirilenko was the next Larry Bird instead of the next.... Andre Kirilenko. That is a huge amount of money for a average to below average player. Does O'Conner know what he's doing or is he just guessing? As for Coach Sloan, 22 years and 0 championships, the record speaks for itself. Even Bill Cowher won a Super Bowl after 14 years.

  • Mavs or Rockets
    Jan. 6, 2010 2:44 a.m.

    1. Boozer to Mavs for Dampier and Thomas.

    2. Boozer & AK to Rockets for Scola & T-Mac

  • Okur vs KK
    Jan. 6, 2010 12:00 a.m.

    Didn't Okur sign an extension for $9 million this last summer? Who's bright idea was that?

    When are the Jazz going to play Kufos and Fez to determine if they can play in this league? Okur has no post up game or defense, Boozer has his bags packed, Millsap can't play big men, and AK 47 has been firing blanks for a while now.

  • An Asian Perspective
    Jan. 5, 2010 11:33 p.m.

    I wanna see AK play at power forward. He got the max contract playing mainly PF (and some SF interchangeably with Harpring who could play both positions). Why do you expect a PF to block as many shots when you force him to play out of natural position? Can Birdman of Denver block as many shots if he plays SF? I don't think so. Signing Boozer and converting AK to SF was a mistake that nobody seems to be aware of perhaps because AK is so versatile that he can play any positions at an OK level. From the way championship teams play defense in recent seasons, it's crazy to believe Booz and Memo can do the same. Jazz's problem has always been inside defense. Boozer not getting better defensively is coaches' responsibility, but I don't care anymore. Trade Boozer and let AK play more minutes at PF. We have one of the best shot blocker in the league. Why don't we utilize him? AK was supposed to be the cornerstone of the team and he's forced to play out of natural position to accommodate a guy like Boozer? What a joke.

  • todd on houston trade
    Jan. 5, 2010 11:03 p.m.

    And Rick Adelman and the Rocket Fans would nearly riot if that trade was made.

    Never ever will happen

    Apreciate the thoughts and the ideas, keep em coming good job.

    However, will not happen. the Rocket fans love workers, Landry, Battier and Chuck Hayes are among the post popular players they have.

  • Bring Tmac to the Promised Land
    Jan. 5, 2010 10:37 p.m.

    It's time we face it Jazz fans, as much as I hated Tmac I say we bring him on.

    The tade
    Tmac and Battier for Ak, Milsap, and CJ

    The plus side for the Jazz
    By picking up Tmac and starting him we finally open up the offense forcing teams to respect our perimiter. Secondly Tmacs contract expires at the end of the season, chances are if things are good we could resign him. Third by bringing in Battier we add a tough vet who is defensive minded and can score. Fourth we get out from under AKs ridiculous contract. Finally if this all blows up at the end of the season we let Tmac go and Boozer go which leaves us with plenty of cap room to make some plays for the free agents this off season.

    Jazz negative
    we loose milsap who we all like but frankly it's either him or DWill and I'd rather loose milsap.


  • Rumor?
    Jan. 5, 2010 10:13 p.m.

    After the way they've been playing lately i dont think that statement of "everyone but Dwill is trade-worthy" is really a rumor. the writer at yahoo hasn't made any ground-breaking discoveries, pretty much everyone knows that info.

    On one hand, i sympathize for KOC because I know he's trying everything he can to mix up our roster and get better players. but on the other hand, its his own fault in the first place because if he hadn't signed them all for millions more than they're worth, it would be easy to make trades. he really shot himself in the foot with all of these ridiculous contracts.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 5, 2010 9:59 p.m.

    "that's what happens when you lose a game or two... Or sixteen... Out of 34... And don't make any changes in the rotation... And all the players look like they wish they were on another team..."

  • trade um
    Jan. 5, 2010 9:55 p.m.

    do it now as fast as you possibly can!

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 5, 2010 9:53 p.m.

    Maybe no one should show tomorrow at the Arena. I do not care if they win or not, that will not mean Jerry should get 5 more years