re: todd - please go support the Lakers!There have actually been a
few worthwhile comments. No die hard KNOWLEDGEABLE Jazz fan would honestly say
they are happy. There are fixes available without abandoning ship and it
requires everyone from Greg, KOC, Sloan, fans, media but mostly players.Offenses don't work and overnight quit working. Talent doesn't vanish,
crying never helps, bashing without knowing only helps the basher. You like
Miami Boozer? Man up and go - today! When Stockton felt he was hurting the teams
progress - did he man up? Did Jordan say he lost confidence when he missed more
game winning shots than he made - NOT! Because Sloan doesn't go
crazy from the bench, doesn't mean he isn't doing his job! All anyone can be
assured is that the Jazz players as a TEAM are making the most pathetic whining
effort in Jazz history. When everyone gives 100% it exposes the weaknesses and
only then can positive changes start. Jazz can win - guaranteed!!!!!!!!!What a dream to be a part of the Jazz organization and be turning things
I offer Sloan a vacation permanently. We all chip in, and bring in Jason Kreis
and Danny White as his assistant to run the JAzz until Kreis goes back to RSL
and White will take over for the balance of the season. Sloan could do some
scouting in Parts Unknown
Just face it the Jazz have no heart, they need to man up and no one on the team
has since Derek Fisher left. However I do believe Eric Maynor along with Wesley
Mattews were bringing some nasty to the team that would have paid huge dividends
as the season went on. I could go on like how can CJ start play some minutes in
the 1st qtr and then not get back into the game until the 3rd qtr.Jazz at
times are one of the dumbest teams in the league, same stupid mistakes night
after night.Nuff said!
Honestly, this team has a lot of good players, the pieces just don't fit
together. DWill is a great PG and Boozer is very talented. Also, when Memo is
on, he is very hard to defend. AK is a good player as well. But, when you put
all of them together, it just is not working any more. I think that comes down
to two factors - the players not trying or the coach not motivating. I
personally think the best that could happen is the Jazz not make the playoffs
this year and then the front office will actually make a change. (But, our draft
pick will probably turn out to be a bust like Snyder of Humphries.)
CJ is a boy getting a man's paycheck, playing a man's game. Jazz fan, join the
twitter and let d-will, CJ and Greg Miller hear your voice. Financially
supporting this team as fan is like eating food you don't like....just doesn't
make sense. I take my money off the table for now...I am always the Jazz fan
but will not support inferior product.
The reason Brook Lopez is so good in his second season is that he's had to play,
the Nets didn't really have anyone else. We have Fesenko on our bench, who can
be that good if he can get some freakin' minutes. Besides, the Nets will no way
part with Lopez at this point.
Memo has disappeared.
trade booz, ak, and miles for tmac, landry, and battier. this is salary dump
time. see what happens with tmac, if he plays he plays and if he doesnt who
cares. landry and battier both play with heart and purpose. in the summer we get
dwade and tmac and korver come of the books. no more ak and we have some money.
trade okur and the knicks pick for a center worth time, maybe brook lopez? sign
a defensive minded/three point specialist SG/SF. that would be a great team.
Just wait SLoan and all his meaningless supportersJust wait
Are you watching?If yes...then be alive and make a move!
Jerry says it ain.t over....Most of the Fans think it is. There are more of us
and we feel their mistakes and failures just as strongly as you Jerry. We
are screaming for some changes that you just ignore...maybe the customers are
always right. Maybe the management is just letting this year run its course?
Retire Jerry and KOC then maybe Greg will have the courage to regroup.
Boozer, Memo, Brewer, Miles and D-Will. I thought most of you would like to know
that. D-Will will come out within the last 4 minutes of the first quarter. Thats
news also isn't it? Predictable, predictable. Oh well thats Sloans way!
Jazz are going to lose tonight. It sucks.I used to love
to watch Jazz games. Not anymore.It sucks!Sloan is
still here.It sucks!Is the season over yet?
Deron Williams has been so busy trying to earn votes for the all-star game he's
forgot about being the point guard for the Jazz. He's been playing for Deron and
that's it. I think he has been and can be one of the top three point guards in
the nba but this last month he hasn't been in the top ten. Too many turnovers
and forcing too much crap, and what about complaining to the refs about every
call? I used to love the guy but I'm losing interest fast.
a quality shooter/PG out of Europe than to lose the fan base. The Jazz can
always dump a wing later if necessary. Management needs to send the
signal that they know how to fix the problems and are committed to fixing the
problems. With the Maynor trade they sent the signal that they are
more worried about finances than winning and that has affected the players and
the fan base negatively. We all understand the need to be
financially sound. But right now the fans feel that the Jazz either have no plan
for creating a winner or are not serious about winning. Management
needs to take a step or two that indicates a clear plan for fixing the problems.
Maynor was a minor step forward toward fixing the PG/non shooting wing problem.
Now he is gone. Send us a sign that you at least know what is wrong
and have a plan for fixing it. The whole offense is in disarray. We are tired of the excuses. Take a corrective positive action. Talk is
cheap. Real solutions are needed. A PG who can shoot and run the
team is a big step forward.
A previous post mentioned the wings who could not shoot or shoot consistently.
SLC dunk noted that in Dec the number of 3 point shots went up while the
percentage went down. The that is a symptom of a failed inside game
and the lack of a well thought out cohesive outside attack. Wings
who can't shoot or who shoot erratically and inefficiently tend to cause bad
spacing. The wing defenders (opponents) are free to pack the paint
and flood. That problem is a key to disrupting the Jazz offense. There are
other ways to disrupt it but that is a main one and has to be fixed quick to
save the season. Sloan/KOC have had 3 years to fix this problem and
have refused. It is finally biting them hard.Sloan has been closing
with a 2 PG offense. I will give him credit for trying but Price is probably not
the right PG to do that with (all he has at the moment). Get a
wing/PG who can shoot. Then work on the other problems with trades or in the FA
market later.Get someone better than Maynor.
I think there are only two realistic choices a this point. Either make the
trades that will fix the weaknesses that cause the Jazz offense to stagnate and
cause the defense to be porous. Or revamp the Sloan system to fit
the talents of the current Jazz players. A system is worthless if it
can't be implemented by the players. It may be worse than worthless if it fails
against mediocre and poor teams. The ideal might be a combination of
both. The Jazz might eke by this year with minor tweaks but the
system is becoming less effective and less stable each year. I still think the
problem is with adjustments by opponents on defense. They are
exploiting weaknesses in both the system and the players. The Jazz
may not be able to get the trades that the need and trading for worse players or
bad contracts is not a good solution. I am sure Sloan is capable of
modifying his offense since he has done it many times before with few people
noticing that he has made changes. Get a system the current players
can run. That is better than one they can't run.
Did you people read Chuck Nunns post? The Jazz are 7-4 when Fes plays 10 minutes
or more, 11-11 when he doesn't play or plays token minutes or seconds. Tim were
you aware of this? Do you think Jerry Sloan is aware of this? I think the
readers and fans would be interested to see a follow story done on this topic.
This seems to indicate that the lack of defense in the paint,(Boozer and Okur)
has more bearing on the out come of the game than people( and Jerry Sloan)
Did you people read Chucks post? The Jazz are 7-4 when Fes plays 10 min or more
and 11-11 when he doesn't play or plays token minutes or seconds. Tim were you
aware of this and have you asked Jerry Sloan about this? I think the readers and
fans would be very interested to see a follow up story done on this topic. This
looks like something that should definantly be brought in to the light. This
indicates that the lack of defense in the paint. (Boozer, and Okur) has more
importance on the out come of the game than people ( including Jerry Sloan )
The season is over.
Houdini learn to spell if you are going to post for me. Have Mamma comes to the
basement and do your homework for you.
A couple of years ago the Jazz did strugle when Sloan signed an extension, I
remember that well.. Then they made a trade for Korver and that seemed to help
motivate them. I would think that Sloan would be hard to play for for a lot of
these new players (the curent roster yes even AK) he call sthem on their stuff
and challenges them in the only way he ever has, Sloan has not adapted to these
new style players that have been raised to play basket ball all year around with
coaches that has catered to the talent.Right, wrong or
indifferent Soan has not changed becuase he believes the game stays the same,
which it does. BUT Sloan does need to adapt to these players if not then they do
what they are doing right now, which is being inconsistant. These new players
get down on themselves to quick and do lack confidence it is an issue with a lot
of people this age. One big thing that they are missing is that
D-fish is gone and now Harpring is gone. Where have all the good locker room
I will still watch--I have for years, but the trends are disappointing. On
Saturday, the Nuggets were consistently getting layups or going to the line with
their penetration. The Jazz tried to drive a bit but it always ended in a TO.
Why? I don't think it was officating, or lack of a system or mostly even
athleticism--the current Jazz are more athletic than any previous Jazz team. I
big chunk just seems to be effort. I like the Sloan no-nonsense approach but
ever since Stockon left I have wanted him to coach motivation and momentum.
It's OK Jerry--the're just kids. We had all hoped that DWIL would provide that
leadership, but the truth is that his effort wanes at times. In nearly every
losing game there is a period of time where the Jazz try to get back in it and
play really good D for a few minutes. I know it is no fun, but they need 48
minutes of that. That is how the Spurs and Pistons won rings without great
athletes. I want to have the video of these times on a DVD to show in the TO
How do you like em?
Again, the Jazz are 7-4 when Fesenko has played at least 10 minutes and 11-11
without him playing or playing token minutes. If you were bettors, folks, which
odds would you like? It still wouldn't win us a title this year, maybe, but we'd
be doing better and Fesenko would get the development he needs to help us more
down the line.Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!
Re miles; haha, cj is a scorning machine, thats funny. cj is funny, i don't
know what his problem is.I can't believe how much dwill turns the
ball over, the whole team, wow, learn to pass, it's basic, real basic.
You know what to do. Bombard Tobie...Greg will be afraid to read these posts.
Also, do not assume is all cured if they win tonight. Stay strong with the
beliefs. Kous and Fes might as well stay home and get out of the cold and watch
the Fiesta Bowl.
From my view, Coach didn't put Miles in until the 2nd half because of his 2
missed shots, it was more base on his reaction defensively (or lack of) after he
started to miss shots. Miles for his ENTIRE career has moped on D when his shot
is off. A trade needs to be made ridding us of Miles and Brewer. Brewer's
defense doesn't make up for his complete lack of an outside shot on offense.
21% at home from outsid of 5 feet, and 13% on the road from outside of 5 feet.
Watch him against the Lakers or the Spurs and you'll see the guy thats guarding
him 10 feet away almost mouthing go ahead and shoot it, you'll probably miss.
Sloan does not call timeouts so he can get home sooner!
Korver golfs real good!He plays dodge ball even better!
Then dump Miles
I wont drink Miller until Sloan is gone.
Since the WCF team, we have lost Harp,Fisher,Collins and they have been replaced
by who? Matthews? CJ? Brewer? Price? Fess and Koufos? who don't even play. Jazz
management has done nothing except raise ticket prices and force everyone to pay
to watch a watered down product on T.V. Welcome to your 09-010 UTAH JAZZ!
JAZZ ARE DONE!put fork in em!They dumped Hot
Rod and Eric Maynor....for David Lock and Kevin Kooger...in 30 years you will
know Hot Rod & you will know Maynor.....but nobody will remember Kevin Kooger &
David Lock!Jazz deserve what they are getting...Maynor pulled
them out of their slump six weeks ago and they pay him back by dumping
him...Memo, Boozer, AK, DeRon are aJOKE!
CJ is better than anyone on this team. Wait and see when he leaves jerry Sloan
and Utah. CJ will be a star in the NBA. He has not been given a fair chance.
Sloan is always criticizing him. How would it fell if your bass never said you
did a good job. No wonder CJ has struggled with confidence. Get rid of Sloan
and CJ would lead this team deep into the playoffs. CJ is a scoring machine but
he has never been given the chance to prove it under Sloan. CJ could score 30 a
night if he had the chance.
The Jazz have been very healthy so far. An excuse that C.J Miles and Ronnie
price have been hurt? Those guys should not be starting. Kirilenko is their
best defensive player he should play as many minutes as Williams. Millsap would
get comparable offensive stats as Boozer if he had the minutes. He would also
play NBA defense and not have so many turnovers. Boozer turns the ball over
more than some point guards.
Deron is a leader. He's a great player... not a superstar. The problem with the
Jazz has nothing to do with him.
DeRon should get a TATTOO on his fore head that says ALL-STAR!that
is all he cares about!
FEDORyou are absolutely correct about everything you said to
todd............except the last part...........Fess could for sure help the
jazz.........Koofus may could help if given a chance...we do not yet know. Wether good or bad chance (in Jerrys operation) is given to years of
experience not talent or effectiveness. He would play Jarron Collings if we
still had him. He would play mattt harps on 1 leg before Matthews. He would
play Brevin Hart before maynor...he dumped Maynor...JAZZ ARE A JOKE!
@Fedor: You said, "CJ-3rd worst signing in jazz history behind AK and Ostertag.
Headcase, no heart, no D."Take your blinders off. Korver at twice
the money is a horrible signing. Re-signing Memo even worse. Harpring hasn't
played in two years and the Jazz have paid him almost as much as CJ's entire
contract. Should I keep going? CJ's contract is
peanuts compared to what Dwill and Boozer are offering the team at 28 million a
year. Those are two bad signing since niether one of them can lead this
team.CJ may be the 3rd best signing behind Stockton and Malone in
Jazz history. Maybe that's what you meant to say?
I burnt my season tickets yesterday. I will not give them away because I do not
want to inflict this torture on anyone. Sloan please be an honorable person and
quit. Not one member of the team wants to play for you. Give back to the
organization that gave you stability with no accountability for 22 years. Have
a good retirement and don't look back.
good to hear from you hope the newborn doing well, see you in LA when REAL comes
out: Fedor, trust me i do not blame it all on Sloan, one has to watch the body
language nightly of some of these players and the lack of effort equals the
attitude. Such, when CJ was pouting after being pulled for the bad pass
Saturday. Maybe Sloan it would be nice to reestablish his formerly better
coaching of past years. Heck Jason Kreis was willing to change, could Sloan?Nooo but hope springs eternal New Year resolution
Would be way better than DeRon down the stretch!
I think you give NBA coach too much credit. Who will replace the great Jerry
Sloan. Phil Johnson? Nothing will change, same coach. Jeff Hornecek? He is
no different than Vinnie Del Negro as far as we know. Zero in the column of the
experience. As much as I hate to say, the problem of the Jazz team
is the player getting pay most.....AK47. This the day where what who makes
means a lot to players and they are not happy that man who makes most
contributes least. Look at our money players:DWill-No heart, not a
true leader, cares more about All-Star than winsBoozer-wants to play
in Florida, hates Utah, doesn't play D, has no heartOkur-The walking
dead. Up and down more than jumprope, no heart.Millsap-Waiting his
chance, hates being backup to man with no heartCJ-3rd worst signing
in jazz history behind AK and Ostertag. Headcase, no heart, no D.Fes
and Kuf-Sorry guys, do you really think playing these stiff is answer? A stiff
is a stiff and these guys are terrible.Lucky RSL euphoria has not
worn off. Jazz are the stink.
It's not over until the Fat Lady sings?Right.I have seen
this Jazz club for 2 years and they don't have the heart or effort to get it
done. Yes, they have some talent, but even there they are over-rated. I for one am sick of watching the same boring club, and management sit
on its hands and make excuses. BLOW IT UP, NOW! KO, that's you I am talking
to. I have already stopped going to games and watching very few. I can't root
for a bunch of heartless guys. And why you are at it, FIND A SHOOTER because
Brewer, CJ, and AK still can't, and pretty boy is over on the bench with a bum
I read the other day in the Jazz Blog:In the 2005-06 season it
states "However, rumors of discontent between Jerry Sloan and the young players
persisted, while team owner Larry Miller continually expressed his displeasure
with the team’s effort."It seems the last 4 or 5 seasons have
had the same result, discontent. The only thing we are missing is the Owner
raising all kinds of displeasure.Larry, I wish you were here!
Deron is supposedly the leader and yet all his turnovers are as bad or worse
than they have ever been. How many games lately has Deron not even
shown up?When was the last time he "took over" and carried this
team?I can sure think of alot more game recently when he is totally
disappeared...like on our big east game road trip. 2 games on the trip he may
as well not even put on his jersey for all he did to help his team.When a team has to depend on a guy with effort like this as their best player
then you know it will be a long season.
Stick to the farmwork dude--you are lost!You said."Tonight we will see CP3 and wish he was leading the Jazz.Go Jazz,
Go CP3" Chris Paul is sure not leading his team anywhere either.
Deron, as pathetic as his turnover-laden play has been of late, is
still bigger and stronger than Paul and has dominated Paul in almost every
matchup they have had since their careers began.Please try to have
something that might have a modicum of logic attached to it.
No tattoos on CJ! Or Price!This will be interesting game tonight. I
guess Okafor played well last game. Tough game, David West is superb. Man that
was a small forward I wish we had, he is a great player....Tonight we will see
true "paint protection" in OkaforFes and Kous: I do not feel they
are "the sole answer" if we do not see this guys part of the rotation, we will
never know if they are long term options....
This trend for NBA players to have all of thsee tattoos is digusting. It all
started with Dennis Rodman in the mid 90's and seems to have grown more and
more. It's a bad example, it's ugly. Disappointing to see so many Utah Jazz
players with them. They look like Gang Markings.
JAZZ ARE DONE!SLOAN IS DONE!OUR LEADER IS dEron
"torrey ellis" williams and he is OT A LEADER!
I would have to think that even you would have played a 7ft 2inch center if you
had one? and from all accounts, I don't think Fess has been dogging it in
practice. Have you watched Memo and Booz in the games? would you not bench them
for failing to rotate to stop a layup? I doubt that anyone outside of Chuck is
suggesting that Fess and Koufos are the immediate answer, however, how can they
get better if they don't play? The last two years have been a waste as far a
development goes. Even Phil played Bynum before he was ready to play so one day
he would produce. What we all know is Booz and Memo aren't the answer to win a
championship. What we would like to see is how good Fess and Koufos can get? and
really what would we loose if we say didn't make the playoffs, a lotter pick =
more talent. We aren't a playoff team today with our current front court. In the
words of Todd you are a sloanaholic.
Re: bigfanFans like u need to go away. Yout team stinks (ther jazz)
so you lend your support to arguably the best team of the nba (the lakers)?You are a no good front runner and will fit in with the other
front-running laker fans.This current team makes me mad like nothing
else and I'll be the forst to admit they need major changesBut, ill
never give up my support to them
I like how jerry now blames injuries to 3 role players as the reason the jazz
are underachieving. This is a a joke.When Stockton and Malone were
here jerry always talked about no excuses for injuries. That because he
inherited 2 of the toughest professional atheletes ever. He loved taking credit
for their sacrifice and toughness.Now its all about excuses and
shifting blame. When Maynor was here, Pricing was the 3rd best point guard on
the team, so jerry's excuse doesn't fly at all. Miles is awful; Wes M is much
better and helped us win games, so jerry's excuse doesn't fly at all. Korver
would help, but Sloan hates 3 point shooters and plays Korver far less than he
should.Come on Jerry, quite the crying and blameing everyone but
yourself. Please do the right and honest thing and retire. Stop stealing money
from the miller family.
Some great comments but mostly - WOW!Jerry is not double talking.
CJ's shot is pretty but he needs more and he's had time enough to be better.
Deron is not walking slowly because he doesn’t know what to do you morons
— he's disgusted with trying to get people to run and cut hard for the
ball. I could go on and on but this is a waste of time. I get heated reading the
Darwin comment column. Trying to talk BB sense to this group is like trying to
teach a pig to sing — not happening and I am sure it frustrates the pigs.
Effort and JAZZ are fine. Sloan's offense is the most detailed in the NBA - and
the toughest to defend. It wouldn't matter what offense you run - if the players
dog it. Did Harpring or Korver complain when they cut hard and scored easy
baskets? How about our players missing wide open shots - where other teams tend
to step up. Players need to quit whining and get with it. Maybe we have players
comfortable with their salaries and don't think they need to perform - after all
they have one of the best coaches, the best point guard and the crowd is off the
charts great. If Carlos Boozer reaches out one more time like he is trying to
swat a fly as someone goes past him and dunks - I might vomit. Injuries-
Stockton played with a broken leg and didn’t complain. Some players have
this toughness and others are babies — which causes tension. GET WITH IT!
Here it comes! Dwill is subtly starting to put the blame on Coach Sloan. He is
hearing it a little about sub par performances (on his part)against Denver and
not being able to close out games when Kobe is doing it in grand style and
so--being immature, he starts looking for excuses. Grow up, Dwill. You have only
shown tiny glimpses of becoming a true leader in the Stockton/Malone mold, even
though you (and Boozer) have the kind of talent to do that. BTW--this is such a
sign of the times. Young people with all the talent in the world who simply DO
NOT want to step up to the plate and lead and have no ability to make those
around them better. Also-young people who (when the heat is on) look for someone
to shoulder the blame for them. Usually it's a more than willing parent--but I
don't think Jerry sees himself as Pop pop to any of these guys. Nor should he.
Point number one...one of the basic concepts of leadership is communication. If
Jerry is not communicating what he wants or needs from his younger players, then
it's obivious that the Jazz are suffering from the lack of leadership.
Specifically from their coach. This must be why Jerry only likes to coach
veteran players, because then he doesn't have to coach period. Veterans already
know how to play, just run the system. Point number 2, in any other
market, the media would be killing a coach who says it's not his job to motivate
players, especially after a number of questionable losses to bad teams. Point number 3, Jerry wanted this team to stay together, he got what he
wanted so now he should be held accountable for the product...no excuses.Point number 4, if this team isn't a contender, then why are the Jazz so
content to keep the team together?Point number 5, it's obvious that
the only way things will change is if the Jazz fans stop supporting the current
product/direction of the team. The Jazz aren't going to pay luxury tax if there
is no fan support.
You have to look at the overall picture. SInce 2007, the Jazz have taken steps
back, not forward. If that's happening every single season, somethig needs to
change about now. Deron Williams is not happy, their is no team chemistry, Sloan
is well past his prime. This team is headed for the lottery this season.
You know its a long season, I trust the coaches know their team and will improve
on things, the word FIX is kind of misleading I dont think the JAZZ need to fix
anything they just need to improve things, like free throws, man if they were
shooting better form the line they probably have 4-5 more wins. They
need to improve thier D-fense at the first of the season the bigs helped stopped
the opponents point gruads "they hedged and found their guy" and the weakside
rotated. They won some games on a small lineup that resembled a
playoff rotation but to do that all season would wear them out. They
will find thier feet and start winning more games, they will havd a long streak
here in the next few weeks and real off 7-10 wins and get their confidence
going.Everyone wants Fes to play more, but we dont see what he does
in practice. I used to coach in high school and everyone wondered why I didnt
play certain players, well they were lazy in prractice. I dont know if he is
lazy, but I am sure the coaches do. IHAVENOTGIVENUPONTHEJAZZYET.
The heart of the Jazz offense is the PG/PF. DWill is one of the top 3 PGs in the
NBA. Boozer may be a little short but he is a top 5 PF (especially on offense).
If they can't implement the Sloan system then who are you going to replace them
with who can? That is the heart of the problem and why it may be
necessary to replace Sloan and his system instead of replacing players. Does replacing AK, CJ, Brewer or Price make enough difference to save
Sloan's flawed system? Until Sloan figures out how to punish teams
for flooding the strong side and for packing the paint, his system is a failure.
Adding wings who can shoot may help but will not produce a
championship. Replacing Boozer will not produce a championship. The
problems reside in the heart of the Sloan philosophy which is skewed to the
inside game. Go look at stats on teams that rely to heavily on the inside game.
They do not do well. The great teams this year and past have two
things in common. A balanced offense Inside and Out and a great Defense.
I blogged for months last year about Paul Westphal who is now Saramento's coach,
and look what he has done in a few short months with a team with "much" less
talent and one that was in the sewer. They now compete and play hard. There are
other coaches as good as Paul, like I have stated on another comment today, why
not get one or two and get this boat turned around. Force Sloan out NOW!
What on earth has happened to people and this stupid craze? I can not
understand the "magic-marker" mindset.....makes it tough to even watch NBA
anymore..... I can just imagine when they become grandparents and are wrinkled
and flabby with these great designs drooping to the floor.....real nice
90% of you fans are so caught up in player issues that you can't see the forest
for the trees! The fact is that we have the same exact team we had 3 years ago
and that wasn't too bad, but this team has quit on this coach and are not
playing for him now or for that matter ever again. They don't like him and his
system and will no longer give effort or try to run his outdated schemes so
where does that leave you? Fire and hire. Sloan should have retired years ago,
whats wrong with this man? Haven't you got anything else to do Jerry? He still
would have made the hall without coaching these last 3 or 4 years. Force his
hand Millers, the man doesn't know when enough is enough. He's never quit
anything in his life, so quit him!
I would love to see the Jazz and Jerry Sloan do well. However, at this point it
seems logical that the Sloan system is failing. That means that there needs to
be substantial changes in players to fix persistent weaknesses or a change in
the system. Sloan is going to retire. He is always on a one year
contract. He is like an expiring contract player. He interjects uncertainty into
the team. If Sloan is going to retire in the next year or two it may
make more sense to replace him instead of making major changes in the players.
Especially since Sloan hand picked the players and created the current crisis by
designing the persistent weaknesses into the team and its play. Sloan designed the offense and picked the players. It seems
logical to make changes in both coach and players. It is unlikely that Sloan
will get enough of the right players this year to make his offense work
right.More important, Sloan's offense is being destroyed by more
teams. It is a flawed approach to the game that is getting worse. More fans are realizing Jerry is a major part of the problem.
I say trade C.J., then dump Sloan, we want neither one of them. Your man C.J. is
absolutely scared to death of contact or mixing it up in the paint where his
athletism "could" show. Everybody that likes C.J. including you just want him
casting away and not doing anything else. He needs to wipe that silly grin off
from his face and go to "work".
defenses are too smart and sophisticated and athletic now. Watch a tough team
on tape like the 1981 Rockets, and underdog I respected, take Great Boston to 6
games in the finals before losing.Tom Henderson the point guard for
Houston always crawled the ball up the court, looking primary option pound it
first to Mose Malone, then outside options.He got away with it and
the .500 Rockets won series after series against better talent, but now DWIL
when he does that, it is counter productive.You did not have a ton
of athletic bigs like a Chris Anderson of today for the Nuggets, the Jazz do not
succeed at this snail pace.I still say for the Jazz with this
roster to succeed is to RUN RUN RUNeven after made baskets......
probly to late to trade boozzz to get beasley, but if the billionaire russion
buys NJ we might be able to get lopez who is going to be a good center and their
first pick in the draft for AK, there would have to be some minor players to
make he salery fit also.enjoy the major league jazz team as its all we
got. just think if we had to watch bowling for dollars all winter, ugh.
I don't like to admit it, but Memo is a large part of the problem. His value is
tied to his offense and he has not performed since he signed his extension. Fez
is not great, offensively, but he has an effect on defense. He should start
over Memo. When you rely on Boozer and Memo to be your defensive bigs down low
then you are in for trouble. Fez and AK are our best post defenders, but
neither of them see any time down there.
Deron questioning Herr Sloan.Little Greggy Miller is going to have to
choose between the two. Do you trade Williams so Der Fuehrer can continue to
dictate his non-negotiable, iron-fisted will upon the team (no matter how
irrational at times). Or do you finally acknowledge Sloan is just an
average coach who is now on the downside and make a change. C'mon, two Hall of
Famer's and no titles? Not having a clue re: roster combinations with a team
that has virtually no turnover year after year. And where are the
in-game adjustments? Yes, he has a bunch of soft players. But despite his
supposed reputation for being a tough, defensive-minded player and coach, the
Jazz are pathetic defenders. They have been for YEARS. And Sloan
makes a LOT of the personnel decisions. When will he finally be held
because the weaknesses that he designed into it: non shooting wings, Euro C,
reliance on PF, insistence on going inside against tall athletic defenders and
good switching defenses are now being exploited by more teams. There
has to be major upgrades at wing and C/PF or Sloan has to redesign the system to
eliminate some of the weaknesses. He has to have a credible
alternative to forcing the ball inside into the strength of the defense (results
in blocks, steals and TOs). The failure of the Sloan system goes directly to
Sloan in play design and player selection. The loss of Korver (or
someone who can shoot) has unbalanced the system and made it vulnerable to
disruption in the passing lanes (Jazz spacing is changed as the defense pack and
floods) and to the throttling of the inside offense. Sloan needs to
redesign his system to make the paint pack and flooding work to the Jazz
advantage. That is what he gets paid to do (adjust). His job is to
exploit the defense (all defenses are exploitable) and not get exploited by the
opposition defensive adjustments. There is a coaching crisis.
Sloan's system does not work.
When DWill brings the ball up slowly it is an indication that he is very tired
or he is trying to figure out what he can run that might work. A slow pace is
almost always an indicator that the Sloan offense is very hard to implement and
has failed or is on the verge of failure. The other trap the Jazz
fall into is going at to fast of pace. The Jazz outside shooting gets rushed
and the shots tend to clank. Okur especially has to get both feet set to be good
at 3s. That requires the right pace and very good spacing. When the
spacing and pace are wrong that is trouble. However, the spacing and pace seem
to be dictated by the opponents defense. Good defensive team can disrupt the
Sloan offense much easier this year. The offense is much more vulnerable than
last year. Korver (or another reliable 3 point shooter) is the primary
difference. This team needs some innovation on offense. It is not
the players job to make up the offense. But in Sloan's current system that is
what is happening. Sloan's system fails and the players wing it.
Please. The Jazz's season was over before it began. Specifically, it was over
when Boozer decided to return and the Jazz couldn't trade him.
Bring back Maynor. Put Fex in like the commentators say. Yes he freeezes on
offense but he wil will loosen up with experience.
Clearly Boozer, who should be a leader, is not carrying this team. He a decent
player, but he is not rising to star level. No more impact than any other
Teams that make the Jazz offense stymie have one thing in common. They play with
defensive intensity. The better ones switch well. They take away the
pick and roll. Then they reduce Boozer to jump shots and the rest of the team
can't get open inside or get blocked inside and the TOs mount. The
Jazz spacing goes to garbage. Bad passes and shots go up. Good defensive teams
flood the ball side which fouls up the Jazz spacing. Instead of whipping the
ball to the weak side for an easy open shot the Jazz force it inside into the
strength of the defense. If you were a player trying to implement
Sloan's offense why would you play hard? If you play hard you can't get it to
run any better so you are left with trying to invent an offense that might work.
You are on you own when the offense fails in the first 15-20 seconds of the shot
clock. That is when you see DWill dribbling for seconds trying to
figure out what to do. The dribbling is an indication that the Sloan
offense has failed.
I agree with some on here who are saying that things will never change until the
coach changes (that means not extending Sloan, again and again and again). His
system DOES NOT work. Back in the day, yes, you didn't need to guard the 3 or
have people on your team who can hit it, but welcome to the new NBA. Teams
consistently kill us by utilizing the 3. I'll bet we actually outscore our
opponents from the 3 point line maybe 10 games a year. In short, you can change
players till the cows come home, but until the coach changes you will always see
the same results. End of story.
Sloan is so contradicting its not even funny. Two weeks ago he said about Memo
and the other Players "I don't know what these guys are doing to get themselves
ready to play. And now he says in this article "I've never had a problem with
that," he said, "because that's my job, to try to get guys to play." So which is it? I appreciate what he has done and at the end of the year lets
celebrate a great job done. But if this team is going to compete then they need
a coach and coaching staff that is active with the players in all aspects of
basketball on and off the court. Sloan has defined his roll and will not vary
from it which is plain stupidity and it shows from there play, attitude, and
record. It will be hard to follow this team until the coach and
certain players are changed.
The only mystery left in this season is whether the Jazz will make a deal, any
deal before the trade deadline that would potentially break the team out of the
sleepwalk it is currently mired in. At season end it is time for our hall of
fame coach to hang it up regardless of the season result. It is time for Greg
Miller to "own" the Jazz for better or worse.
It's time to shake things up! Bring in some fresh blood. Remember how the
Korver trade invigorated the Jazz? Work the phones! Make an offer!
Just like I said on Saturday:Williams cited the case of Miles, a
starter all last season."He played good in the first quarter, then
he didn't get back in (until the second half)," Williams said. "I thought it was
funny, but I guess he took two shots Coach didn't like."Wide-open
shots."I thought he took good shots. I passed it to him. … I
think we need to take open shots or we're not going to be a good team if we
don't have confidence."Jerry is clueless. CJ is 3 - 5 in the first
quarter and he benches him over a bad shot? Then he plays Price and Matthews in
the 4th quarter? Yea, those are go-to guys in the NBA while CJ and AK sit on
the bench. Good use of personal Jerry. I think Jerry is afraid
that CJ might make a 3 pointer and he won't have anything to complain about
after the game. Jerry please retire or trade CJ.
This loss was stunning, without Billips and Carmello this was in the bag.
Jazz play down to their potential.This could signal trades in the
offing.Sloan has been trying to insert the hurt players, Korver when
available, Price and CJ. All three will be traded or cut after this season and
perhaps Brewer as well.Face of the Jazz could change significantly.
It appears that the chemistry on the team is not great. Players don't trust the
coach the coach doesn't trust the players. Something needs to be done to bring
in change.Tonight we will see CP3 and wish he was leading the
Jazz.Go Jazz, Go CP3
I'm bored silly trying to watch this team implement Sloan's offense. Even when
it's working on all cylinders, it's still boring to watch. Thank goodness for
remote controls where I can flip back to check the score without actually having
to watch the game. I think the only ones more bored with this team than I am are
the players themselves.
IN CAPS, PLAY KOUFOS!PLAY KOUFOS!PLAY PLAY KOUFOS!KOUFOS!PLAY KOUFOS!PLAY
Just to make the season more enjoyable, I'm declaring my loyalty to the Los
Angeles Lakers...I feel better already!
...to see. And it isn't injuries, despite what Jerry Sloan says. The Jazz played
their best ball - not just of the year, but of the last two or three years -
during the 15-game run when they had only 8 or 9 players, with Matthews starting
and Maynor playing significant minutes. Remember, they were 11-4 during this
time (and they have been 7-11 otherwise). Not only that, but their defense was
solid and their offense looked better than it has in years - great passes, great
ball movement, great inside shots.The key problems:1.
Not running the offense. The offense has almost totally disappeared. There were
maybe two or three good plays during the Denver game. The poster above had it
right about pacing. The pacing's off. Right now, only DWill can fix this.2. Inside defense. This will not change until Okur and CJ are replaced.
They simply don't defend inside. Boozer is actually doing OK - not great, but a
lot better than last year.3. Energy. Matthews needs to start because
of the energy he brings. Price and Fes need time, too. AK, Okur, CJ, even DWill
way too sloppy!
Yogi Berra once said, "it ain't over till it's over", but the way things look
for the Jazz, it might be close. I think the Jazz could make the playoffs if
Boozer and D-Will stay healthy, but I wouldn't think they would go any further
than the first round. A "won and done" situation like last year against the
D Will omments are as close as aplayer will ever come to criticizing Sloan. I
liked "You can't blame it all on Coach" (no, just most of it!) Read
between the lines. He would love a different coach. D Will, me, todd and every
other discerning Jazz fan.
Do I see some dissension rising? Da. For some reason it gets ignored, but I
believe Deron lost respect for Sloan quite some time ago despite DWill's media
savy (coach) support speaches.
"Sloan insists season not over yet."Hmm ... sure seems like it!
"That established, Sloan did concede that – largely because of early
season injuries to C.J. Miles, Kyle Korver and Ronnie Price – the 18-15
Jazz are very much a perplexing puzzle."Here watching
the Jazz play I thought our problem was no inside presence. That is, no
interior defense or post up player besides Boozer. I don't see CJ,
Korver, Price improving our team any better then it is now.
It seems to me that DWILL is questioning some of Sloans choice's but then
shortly thereafter back tracking. Do I see some dissension arising.
Actually, are you shocked?Sloan, stated that "no need to put
Matthews for now back in lineup"stunning..I Love DWIL
casualness also on where the jazz are right now.Maybe teaching a
lesson to those players would be if OK CITY or MEMPHIS went on 5, 6 game winning
streak....As i Stated SLoan is inflexible.
of creating an offense that can be run by the existing players. The big question
is will he add the plays and make the adjustments that have to be made? I think the Maynor trade is affecting the team more than anyone has
mentioned. It sent a clear message to players that the Jazz were in fire sale
mode and not adding resources but more interested in financial considerations.
It also altered the PG play. Maynor might be an average rookie PG
but he was a resource and he made the offense work. Not knocking
Price as he tries hard but since the Maynor trade the offense has sputtered. The Maynor trade seems to affect the confidence and intensity of the key
players. Maynor also tended to run the team at the right pace. Price
does not and DWill often does not. The wrong pace results in rushed
shots if to fast and an entranced defense of to slow.
Tim, did you ask Coach about Fesenko and Koufos? Getting those guys,
particularly Fess, into the lineup will do wonders for Utah's interior defense.
It's already worked! I'd like to hear what Coach has to say about that.Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!