But team not ready to stop playing yet despite lousy loss
the jazz are a good contending western conference team they blow it all in the
4th quarter, thats all there is to it
ONCE AGAIN,sloan coaches another player to a career game,too bad they are ALWAYS on the other team,by my count this is the
fourth one this year.FIRE sloan,FIRE o'connor,FORE scott layden,and get people who can recognize,
get, draft, trade for, and sign real talent,put togerther a team
that designed to win chamionships and not just barely get winning records so the
franchise can sell tickets and t-shirts, and people (a caoch) who
can institute a real system, develop and coach the players, and know how to
coach DURING a game.Here's a new years resolution for Greg
Miller:MAN UP and actually do something.
Interesting Trade. I would look at it, but I'm not sure how old Butler is.
Isn't he 30 or so? While we're laughing, it's funny that you didn't
even address the fact that the Jazz are tied for 4th in the West for Best
Defense (despite the injuries, etc.). Last year we finished tied for 10th. As far as the Jazz only having 2-3 games like Denver, I hold to that
statement. The game @ Atlanta doesn't count, since Atlanta is blowing a lot of
teams out, even on the road. Getting killed by a short-handed Denver team at
home is totally different. But even if I concede the point and give you
Atlanta, there are at most 5 games where we should have won. Big Whoop, almost
every team besides the Lakers and Boston can say the same. Even Cleveland lost
some embarrassing games this year. Should they trade their whole team??? It
wouldn't surprise me a bit if you were a fan in Cleveland when they lost those
games, to hear you crying for them to fire their coach and trade Shaq. You're a
panic artist Todd.
As presently constituted, the jazz are an 8th seed at best. The western
conference continues to improve while the jazz stay status quo. They will never
be contenders with undersized big men who can't defend, and wings who can't
shoot consistently from outside and defend.
Could I send "Jer" to the farm?Please with lots of sugar on
My posts are too legit to quit. Further, I post under my real name only BP .
Funny stuff, you are saying the jazz have only had 2 or 3 games like Denver all
year. Did you stop counting at 2?Denver was one gameFunny stuff....See OK City, Sacramento, Minnesota, Atlanta, At
Denver etc etc etc
I guess I'm becoming Todd now with all these posts (though I think Todd posted
on way more than he put his name on). But this has to be shared: --There are only 3 teams in the West who give up fewer points than the Jazz.
In other words, the Jazz by the "Points allowed" DEFENSE statistic are right
there in the top 3-4 teams in the West. This is progress people. --On offense (Points For Jazz) we are about a 6 or 7 seed right now in the
West. The whole reason our offense is suffering is because of the EFFORT that
is being exerted on Defense. It's not always visible, especially in the Denver
game, but Sloan and the coaching staff have these guys mentally focusing so much
on defense that it is so obviously throwing off their offensive rhythm. Those
who have watched most games this year cannot deny this. I agree the
Denver game was bad. But it was one game. Denver just lost tonight at home to
Philly. The Jazz haven't played more than 2 or 3 games like the Denver game
this year. Yet you want to sell the farm
The way the players responded to Larry's death last year and folded like a tent,
should have told you all you needed to know. I am not singling you out, that is
my opinion to your remark. This team has had adversity together for like 3
years of playing together, and are no close to turning the corner to become a
power than before.People are frustrated with the same issues over
and over happening.BP, I worked up a trade scenario. It projects
us 3-5 more wins and slighly under for the Wizards but each team would get one
player in expiring contract.The ESPN Trade machine, accepted a deal
of Butler, and Haywood for Okur, Brewer and either Koustos or Miles.Haywood would be perfect at center. 10 ppg, 10 boards a game. 7 footer plays
defense.Wizards get more scoring punch and become more
athletic with Brewer and Miles They have Nick Young there who has real promise.
If they insist on the body then you nay have to move Fes or Koustos
instead of Miles.However, you acquire one of the premier Small
Forwards in Basketball. Someone who can create and shoot.
Exactly! These blogs are getting more ridiculous by the minute.
I think rather than quit being a Jazz fan, I'm going to quit reading these
blogs. Y'all are so negative, and so short-sighted. I too have been watching
the Jazz for 20 years (haven't missed more than a few games). But the Jazz
don't owe me anything. If the Jazz are pathetic, it's my fault for being
pathetic enough to watch them. Right now they're way out of sync, but they're
far from a lottery team. And I enjoy watching them because I see progress
amidst all of this turmoil. Players need adversity, and even need to be
embarrassed a few times, in order to find themselves and rise above it. This
team is finding itself. Throw them under the bus all you want, but I won't.
Whether we get NY's pick or trade for someone else is irrelevant because we are
not going to trade the whole team. Most of these guys will stay, so let's
support them. You complainers need to move to New York,
Minnesota, or New Jersey and try to be fans in those towns.
we all point the finger at who..................maybe it should start with our
highest players and their effort..can D-Will guard any quicker guards, can
Boozer give any effort on D-fense and how about Andre....he goes through the
motions also on d-fense...they are all worried about being all-stars, they have
twitter, blogs etc., trying to promote themselves..very selfish...just play and
it will all work out..
Of Course, the night after denver beats us they drop a game at home yet to
Philadelphia.You knew that would happen....
I THINK IT TO BAD THAT EVERYBODY IS KNOCKING DERONDOWN SURE HE HAS NOT
PLAYED LIKE WE EXPECT HIM TO PLAY BUT HE HAS BEEN PLAYING INJURED SLOAN SHOULD
HAVE TAKING DERON OUT WHEN THEY WHERE PLAYING DENVER AND RESTED HIM FOR NEW
ORLEAN HE HAS BEEN STRUGGLING SINCE HE INJURIED HIS HAND AND HE HAS BANGED UP
KNEE HE STILL THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE JAZZ YOU CAN SEE THE FRUSTRATION ON HIS
FACE WHEN THE TEAM IS STRUGGLING HE PLAYING WAY TO MANY MINUTES AND FAR AS
COMPARING HIM WITH CHRIS PAUL IT NOT FAIR I THINK IF CHRIS WAS INJURIED LIKE
DERON HE WOULD NOT EVEN TRY TO PLAY
Actually, the Knicks aren't in a playoff spot yet, but I agree with Cowboy Joe
that folks ought not to pin too high of hopes on it. Utah's pick is protected
through No. 17 before it would fall to Minnesota. Also, I'm not sure
if anyone out there in the league is willing to offer a trade for anyone on the
Jazz that would help the team. But my whole take has been to better utilize the
players that Utah has before making a big change. That starts with rotation
minutes for Fesenko and Koufos to make things a little tougher defensively for
opponents in the paint for stretches in the game and hopefully give the Jazz an
edge that they don't currently have. It's not too late.Peace out
from the Jazz Oracle!
Because I LOVE the Jazz, I admit this team will never be able to win it. It's
time to blow them up and start over, including D-Will. It's not working and
we're fooling ourselves if we ever think it will. It's sad when
Ronnie Price is far and away the best player on the floor. Let's
hope O'Connor does the right thing this trade deadline.
I thought it was a walk thu practice not a game that counted in the
standings.What a heartless game they played like Idont care if we win or lose.
Price and Matthews played like they wanted to win.Should of pulled the starters
and played ALL THE BENCH. Do they have to pass the ball 3 or 4 times before they
shot??lots of times they were open with good shots but would pass the ball and
let the defence have time to cover and get set up.
People need to stop talking about the KNICKS PICk they are in the playoffs if
they started today. The Jazz pick might be a high lottery pick.I say
trade DWILL and Boozer tank the season and get JOHN WALL. That dude is a stud
To argue with most of these comments is like trying to talk common sense to the
mentally insane. This is coming from someone who has played very serious ball
and understands!Everyone can improve in some areas - most could
improve in all areas. Even though some things could be done to mask a major
problem and sooth the public - you fix the one major problem and the rest of the
problems will start to fix themselves.Major problem is Boozer. You
put someone in that position who can be trusted and gives two hoots about anyone
besides himself and see what happens. Have a player who gives his all and is
fiercely defending what the Jazz have stood for ~ and within a few weeks you are
a top contender.Name one person in the NBA with Boozers talent that
gives less effort and then flaunts it! Don't you think the rest of the team
including coaches despise him but we're trapped in his contract. KOC should have
dealt with this long ago or maybe Greg Miller should deal with KOC as he is the
only one who can get rid of him!
@Miles, CJ is just too inconsistent. He teases us any looks really good some
times, but a lot of other times he stinks up the place. You always say it's
because he doesn't get enough playing time, but even when he gets significant
playing time, he doesn't make the most of it. Until he becomes a more complete
player with better defense and rebounding, he won't get more playing time.
Notice how he rarely plays at the end of games? Jerry doesn't have confidence
in him at crunch time.
@houdini: Jerry cut CJ's minutes and we are (drum roll please) losing every
I have a feeling this is Sloan's last year, and the franchise will make
wholesale changes; Boozer will be gone, we know that, maybe Kirilinko and even
Williams. This team is going nowhere. The good news is we get New York's #1
pick, and maybe if we're bad enough, we'll get a high pick for ourselves.
If Todd wants to post 5 times every article so be it. You're obviously reading
them so maybe you should get a life. I can't believe people are asking for t-mac
he's terrible on D. There's a reason Houston won't play him.
1) jazz trade Kirelinko and Korver for TMacs expiring contract freeing up 23mil
next year2) jazz sign Chris Bosh3) TMac and Boozer decide to stay.
because a starting line up of Dwill, TMac, Boozer, Bosh, and Okur is too good to
pass up.I dont care what people say, TMac can still play better than
kirelinko and korver. how is this a bad thing?
were the only thing that was good at the game. The Jazz looked like they were
trying out for the Globetrotters and they were not going to make the team.
Never thought I'd say this but Deron Williams has become very problematic for
me.He doesn't seem to know when to be a scorer and when to be a
distributor.Either something is wrong with him or he has peaked.I don't see him leading this team like he should.
miles has his minutes cut because he is un- productive,just like last year,if he
helped us win,his minutes would be up,plain and simple
HORNACEK FOR COACH. MY GRANDMA CAN SHOOT BETTER THAN BREWER.I
always thought I would be a die hard fan no matter what -but after last night it
is tough. Especially since I work with so many Laker fans who like to harrass
Until they get rid if Sloan it will be the same JAZZ team. Need a younger coach
with new coaching techniques,one that can motivate the team by being a lot more
positive instead of negative.
So why would we trade our biggest offensive horse?What could we possibly
get in return?Why fire a coach who's given us the last glimpse of real
basketball? Don't worry, he'll be gone soon.And don't forget the
money issue, the Jazz are in a tough financial situation with the luxury tax,
it's all they can do to put themselves in a good position for the not so
distant future. The Jazz aren't a top tier team because of their lack of heart,
and effort. They might be sick of playing together and seeing the same old
faces in the locker room, which translates on the court and destroys any chance
of winning with the team based system that Jerry runs. The sad truth is we will
need a new coach soon, not because he's a bad coach. But because he still
believes in playing TEAM BASKETBALL, and that's something that no one else
believes in anymore.
Here's why the Jazz can't and won't make any significant changes this season.
Trades-Boozer is the only possible trade that any team would want
with his expiring contract and numbers. AK's contract is to high and won't be
attractive until its expiring, same case with Memo.Coach-Sloan won't
be fired because the Millers have too much invested time and an extension
commitment, but I highly doubt he'll choose to return past the extension.System-The Jazz have run this system in part for 20+ years. The major
flaw in the system is it takes all 5 guys on the court to run it. That's why so
many basketball fans have enjoyed watching it when ran at full. The problem is
we are no longer in an era of true team basketball, the me-first, pre-madonna
allstar mentality has destroyed basketball. The Celtics are the only team I've
seen who display the desire and capability to run a team set. I would even
liken Doc Rivers to a Sloan like coach, although he is younger and seems more
adept to making in game changes necessary to win.
Yes Sloan did create the TOs. He designed them into his offensive system which
does not work anymore. The TOs are not a new phenomena. Sloan knows exactly what
causes them. It is called the right defense by the other team. Sloan
knows exactly what will stop his offense and he is seeing more and more teams do
"We'd love to go out and spend $200 million a year on talent, but that's just
not realistic." Even with 200 million KOC couldn't build a
contender less alone a champion. We have the second highest payroll for lottery
team built by KOC. What is the direction of the team? Why is
Boozer and now Price playing so many minutes when their not part of the Jazz
There is no ONE Sloan offense. The Jazz rarely run the pick and roll
any more. It is stopped by good switching defenses. The offense Stockton/Malone
ran is far different than the Boozer/Okur offense.Jerry Sloan needs
to adjust this current offense to the capabilities of this group of players
(without Korver). The NBA defenses have adjusted and what worked last year will
not work this year. If Sloan can't or won't adjust the offense so
that it works (the players can't implement it) then MAJOR trades are needed.
Players with different skills are needed to implement current offense.If Utah is not careful they will go the route of DET. They traded good players
for worse players. It is far better for Jerry to modify his offense
so that it starts working better. Changes in key players should be made when the
right player is available. The Sloan offense is really a myth. The
offense morphs depending on who runs it and it morphs over time. It is whatever
Sloan decides to include. Adjustments have to be made or the Jazz
will continue to lose. The offense has failed.
Nice insight DesNews! What's next . . . The Jazz Bear looked upset after the
loss, downing a whole jar of honey!
KirelenkoOkurMilesNo Hands ListOkurBoozer
Dump Brewer and Miles. Start playing Koufos and Fess. This seasaon is toast
Come on Jazz fans, are we seriously relegated to blaming the coach again? The
guy is a hall-of-famer for a reason. He is extremely well respected by his
peers for a reason. I remember Laker fans complaining about Phil Jackson a few
years ago when the Lakers were winning 40 games a season. So what changed
there? The players, not the coach. Bynum grew up, and Gasol came gift wrapped
to LA.What the Jazz need is a defensive inside presence, and an
outside shooting threat not named D-Will or Okur. They need a wing that can
CONSISTENTLY score from the outside (typically Korver).KOC needs to
figure out a way to turn Boozer and spare parts into Chris Bosh. Maybe Boozer +
CJ + NY's draft pick.I would love to say "find a way to dump AK,"
but it makes more sense to keep him for the rest of the year, and then they can
use his very valuable expiring contract to move him.And come on
people, complaining about Deron Williams? Really? "Best point guard in the
NBA" --Charles Barkley and Kenny SmithEven the best have down games
every now and then.
I believe the Jazz will be the 7th or 8th spot & loose in the 1st round, like
2009. Max salary AK no longer a monster on help defense (blocks, steals),
Boozer/Okur lack defense. Too many TO's as risky passes are made for little
advantage outside the paint (Jazz have high shooting %, but too many turnovers).
Okur should never stray from the 3-point line: he can hit 3's, little success in
the paint & he drags the opposing center off the boards. I'm not saying
blow up this team, but it topped out on the WC Finals a few years ago with this
nucleus. I would keep Williams/Brewer/Milsap, possibly
Miles/Korver/Price/Matthews as bench players. AK should be unloaded for any
offer to remove his salary, Boozer/Okur have value, and should be dealt for
quality players who can play defense. Talent-wise, this team should be AT LEAST
a middle playoff seed (4th/5th), but the effort isn't there every night. Sloan's
system has them averaging 100/points a game, but he can't play defense for them.
Too bad, this year looked promising with an un-injured Boozer playing well...
you obviously can't motivate these guys with money.Maybe if they were paid
by how they played you would see some effort.
Nobody has said this yet today but I will. These players don't want to play for
this coach! Flat out don't respect him or like him, and will not play his system
or any system he comes up with. Get rid of Sloan, and I guarantee a new coach
will soon rid himself of A.K., Brewer, Miles, Boozer, and Memo! Each one of them
are absolutely afraid of contact or agressive play. All 5 have a heart the size
of a pinhead. The Miller family seems to think the listing ship will right
itself, but quite frankly they are dreaming, and until a new coach and GM are
are brought in this team will continue to flounder. What a mess! Sell them or do
something Millers. Maybe Checketts and friends would be interested, but wouldn't
be my choice for new ownership. We may be small market, but we will support a
winner! Do nothing and watch your ticket sales plummet the balance of this year
and next year. Manage with your head not your heart Greg.
haha you wanted Price to play point the whole game, and then Ak backing him up?
Yes Deron's defense wasn't great, but if he wouldn't have played we would have
gotten hammered! Price played well defensively, but when it came to running the
offense and playing point, he stunk it up!
Turnovers by CJ....I think you meant to say something else. CJ played great
last night until Jerry yanked him for no reason.Please Kevin trade
CJ to a teamt that knows how to use his talents. Please and while you are at
it, trade AK so he can use his talents too. Perhaps you could throw in Koufus
and Fez too? 4 players wasting away on Jerry's bench.
The Jazz are headed right for the lottery. In which we will have our pick and
the Knicks. If we can find a way to get something for Boozer maybe get rid of AK
to lighten the Salary load. We can have a semi rebuilding off season. We need to
build our future around D-Will, Brewer, Matthews, Millsap, Fes and Koufos we
should be fine. We need size and inside D which we don't have right now. We need
quickness and defensive minded players as well at he guard level. Which is
Matthews and Brewer. This is the first season in many that I feel like I am
wasting time by watching games like last night since the Jazz out out worked by
a short handed Denver team.
If you are sick, do not play. Let someone go full speed.How
pathetic to let Ty Lawson be something like +15 against someone who says he
should be considered and all-star.I just can't be bothered
anymore.Who leads this team by example?
If they are going to just hold onto their players and not trade, they might as
well get the youngsters some experience, i mean really, the jazz aren't going to
be noticeably better or worse for playing fesenko and koufus, this is what i've
been saying for a year and a half. Either you make a trade or you odn't, it
only makes sense to get them some experience, as the roster is likely going to
change, and seeing the roster must change has been clear for about a year, at
least, since boozer decided to get surgery, right there, the jazz haven't been
able to get the pre surgery chemistry back, and i didn't think they would, which
is why i've been screaming trade!!!!!!!!! and give the youngsters some time on
the floor, crying out loud, it really isn't going to make much of a difference
either way, it is just the prudent thing to do, and the opportunity is good,
better to get them time now that they have good players around them, then after
the roster changes, really, think about it!!change is coming, prepare for it
having been a jazz fan since 1982-83 season and seen a lot up and downs it is
really hard to watch these guys i have seen at least %98 of the games on t.v.
for the past 26 + years but now i can barely watch for more than a minute i
consider myself a die hard fan but iam tired of this same old act i think they
need to make a move roster wise soon and if they dont make the playoffs does
jerry come back? i think it is time for a change
After the bitter loss to the thunder, not really a surprise Utah lost this game
although with Anthony and Billups both out Utah should have been able to man up
and take advantage of that. The Jazz have not been the same team since Derek
Fisher left. Fisher has always bled Laker purple, he used his daughters health
issues as a BS excuse to stamp his ticket out of Utah. As this team is right
now, they are soft and changes to the roster are needed. DWill and Boozer are
poor mans versions of Stock and Malone. They need better complimentary players
on the team if they are to succeed. Start by getting rid of Okur and AK, and
bring in some guys who will play tough physical defense and set a standard for
the rest of the team. Sloan is not the best coach but he's adequate. He should
have won at least one championship with Malone, Stockton, and Hornacek but
Malone put too much pressure on himnself in the playoffs and screwed up when he
should have deferred to his teammates a little more.
Sloan was and continues to be the problem with the Jazz. Until he's gone, Jazz
fans can expect to be dissapointed year in and year out. The talent's there, but
the will to win and the know how are absent. Miller needs to cut ties with him
and try a new coach with a different perspective. One that can actually
motivate players to succeed, not treat them like a circa 1790's Prussian
I don't think I can take it any longer. Which is it? The players we have are
either unable or unwilling to run the offensive scheme put in place by Sloan.
They look completely lost out there. It is physically painful to try to watch
this team play basketball. But I guess if I was supposed to play in that
offensive scheme, I would look just as bored out there. Why can't we have an
up-tempo run and gun team that is exciting to watch. I mean come on, it's not
like we are going to win a championship anyway.
I have never seen a Jazz team quit. Last night they slap Jerry right in the
face. He has lost his fire too. The game has finally passed him by sorry to say.
Glad to see Fes get 16 secs. What a pathetic group. I will now boycott all
played good defense. He didn't have the greatest game but at least the effort
was there. All I ask for is a honest nights work. We miss Harpring!
the team were good before Miles got the starting role, before Maynor was traded,
before Price got the back up point chores, before AK was back
We need a Defensive Center (Eaton-like) and a Shooter (Hornacek-like)!
Once again another SICKENING performance. I don't agree with Sloan and Miller.
This team has plenty of talent, but they CAN'T win enough games to be
competitive. So yes, hit the panic button and do something. Jerry, we love ya
for all you've done, but it's time to go. Thank you for all the great years.
I had a friend who was a professional guitar player. He also was an engineer. He
understood systems. Concerning guitar playing he once explained "if it is hard
you are doing it wrong". The Sloan system is complicated and hard to
implement. The way you attack a system is to hit the most vulnerable parts or
connections. That causes the whole (team) to fail. When the Sloan
system works it makes the collective players better. When it fails it makes them
worse than the are. Coaches have identified the weaknesses in the
Sloan system and exploited them. The reason the Jazz are Jeckle and Hyde is due
to the system which sometimes works. This year the system is failing
at home which means it is easier to fail. It has NEVER worked well on the road.
It takes a lot of effort by all 5 players to run it. If one is sick,
has an off night or does not play the system fails. Sloan tendency
toward set rotations insures prolonged failure as long as there is exploitation
of one or more weaknesses on the floor. Fix or get rid of the system
or fix the substitutions.
When will be play Koufos. Ridiculous. So much a waste of time watching what's
going on out there on the court. Play and develope Koufos, he is as good as
anyone else in the paint on the wing and gives us length,hustle, strength, more
than our other bigs. Unbelievable.
CJ doesn't know how to win. All the opinions that cj is hurting the team are
probably correct. I hate to admit it, but it's the truth.
Oh yeah, this team can win five games in a row. But, it might never happen, if
i were greg, i think he was saying that it's hard to have faith in this team.
What he said was right, we have talented players who know how to win. So, why
this? It's a heartbreaker.
Don't blame Sloan. He didn't commit the turnovers.
I might be a lone in this opinion but I think Denver is a better team with out
Carmelo playing. Mainly because defensively they seem a lot better.
Happy to see the loss, even happier it was without Melo and Billups.More losses at home the better, keep em coming boys.I love the Jazz just
as much as anyone here but more bad rsults is the only chance we have of getting
the change we all need.Don't you love the excuuses from Sloan?
Absolute words of wisdom! A defeatest attitude if ever their was one. How can
that Denver team be too good for us?..
Every team in the NBA outside of the lakers and celts have made significant
changes in the past 2 years except the jazz. Change leads to hope, even if it
turns out bad, the change and hope that stems from it are what keeps fans from
giving up...which is where I have been with this set of players for at least a
year now...I love the jazz but cannot watch anymore because I care more than the
players do. It is SO frustrating and depressing.
If you really want parity in profesional sports, then convince Bill Gates to buy
the nba! Or NFL! And who cares who wins as long as someone other than boston or
la wins it every other year! Then the referees can actually call a game the way
it should be called! NEVERMIND! We like it when Ben Rothlisberger gets credit
for a touchdown in the superbowl and he don't even cross the line! Jazz fans,
watch other games without the jazz playing and you will see how close all this
is to professional wrestling or wrastling! HOPEFULLY ONE DAY PRO SPORTS WILL
JUST GO AWAY!!
Todd:For the record, my comment about overachieving was a general
statement in case you couldn't tell. The Jazz have always been an overachieving
team. Greg Ostertag, Bryon Russell, Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Greg
Foster, Adam Keefe, etc. need I go on. Even Stockton was a huge surprise. If
you really look at it, our current team actually has more talent than our 2
Finals teams, but that's not always a good thing. Like jbra80 pointed out very
well, the Jazz are still a work in progress and we have no choice but to be
patient or stop being fans. But for crying out loud, stop the whining. The
team doesn't pay you to spend all of your waking hours agonizing over the
decisions they're paid to make. Let them do their job, and you DO YOURS (ie. be
a fan and leave it at that).
Todd the Whistle Blower calling for Sloans resignation. Why don't you write
Greg a letter? I find it funny that you got upset that Jazz management didn't
listen to you when you wanted them to get Javale McGee. I don't even think
Javale McGee was available when we drafted 2 years ago. At any rate, you seem
to think management is completely stupid and you're the smartest guy in the
world. That's why they're running a Multi-million dollar franchise and you're
in Santa Ana doing nothing but free-lance writing for the Jazz underground blog
nation. I mean seriously, you post like 5-10 times every article that is
written. That must take some serious time. Maybe if you applied the same
energy and intensity into something that could actually benefit you, then maybe
you'd find satisfaction. The rest of us, we're just loyal fans that post on an
article when we get a chance once in a while, but whom nevertheless love the
Jazz for the team they've always been and will be soon again. You can count on
it. Firing Jerry is completely Ignorant.
an assistant is not an answer unless the assistant knows who to modify the
offense. If the assistants know how then Sloan knows how (but
won't). The interior defense will not change until Boozer or Okur
are replaced with a defender. Millsap will still be to short and foul a lot.
There is no quick fix for the interior D unless Boozer is traded. The big problem is in the inside offense. Okur is not a banger. Boozer does
the best he can against athletic bigs. Short of trading for other bigs (how do
you get the right players for Boozer or Okur?). It is cheaper,
faster and easier to add outside shooting. However, it is not just a player
problem. The root of the problem is Sloan and his refusal to create
an outside offense that gets shooters open with rebounders defenders in place
(against the fast break). Other teams have such systems (with and
without true Cs). Sloan could modify his system to include these
capabilities. He has not. He certainly is capable of stealing a few
plays from other teams. Before you lose faith in the players maybe
you should put some heat on Sloan?
Didn't anyone read the article. Get used to this same lazy pathetic Jazz team
for the rest of the year. It sounds like Greg and Sloan want to keep this band
of losers together for some reason. The Jazz have already thrown in the towel
and I am not even expecting this Lazy team to make the playoffs this year. And
even if they barely sneak in the playoffs we are an 8th seed and all we can look
forward to is a 1 win or a sweep exit. Worst Jazz team I have seen in a long
time. The old Sloan would be benching and knocking heads around.
might have the same record as last season and made playoffs as the 8th seed, but
now they have OKC, Memphis, Phoenix that are all better than last season and
will also be going for the 8th seed.Jazz = no playoffs this season.
Time to panic.
Greg is in a serious quandry. He is rapidly losing the support of the fan base
by following the advice of Sloan and KOC on continuity. He can see clearly that
they were wrong at this point. However, he has over paid Okur,
Millsap and Price which makes them hard to move. He is stuck with AK. Boozer, Korver, Brewer and Mathews are expiring contracts. Boozer is the
offense and it is hard to replace him. Outside shooting is needed. Korver is not
a good trade. Mathews is a cheap find. What can you get for Brewer that would be
better? The Jazz are better off to keep the expiring contracts
unless they can get exactly what they want in return. The major
problem is that the NBA has changed and moved past Sloan's offense. His approach
is obsolete (at least the way he is doing it so far this year). Greg
is afraid to replace Sloan. If a new coach and new system do not start winning
immediately there will be a lot of fans upset. It is a lose/lose
unless Sloan makes the changes necessary to win.Sloan is the key.
Players are secondary.
die-hard homer talk: fans just want to see players pumped up to fight the war -
win or lose. Instead, we watch players fighting themselves. got world class
athletes on deck but get beat by bottom-feeders. no wonder fans be fleeing
that.it's not about the Xs & Os. basic! It's about the focus &
aggression and, yes, motivation of players. That's worth a 20-point swing. It's
the other 90% of the game... Jerry, where is that in your coaching bag-o-tricks?
Time to bring in fresh talent, while Jerry's seasoned hands still guide the
wheel? Can't coach forever. This season is toast. Time to pass the baton Jerry
Sloan, sir.And don't even talk to me about Maynor. Saved $6 million
and broke the hearts of fans & team. If the Jazz are about entertainment,not
winning, then at least take down that ugly photo of feske-what'shisname.
Blaming Sloan when the Jazz stood by and watched players score is hilarious.
Keep up the good work people!
is good enough that they would make it on another team. Even Collins is playing
and he is worse than all of the current Jazz players. The problem is
not with the talent of the players and most games the players have put forth the
effort. Tonight they were down but the real problem is with changes and
adjustments smart coaches are making to dismantle the Sloan inside game. These coaches also know the Sloan designed this team with weakness in
outside shooting and interior defense. They know how to exploit the
Sloan offense and lack of defense. They also know that Sloan will not (or can
not)make the adjustments to counter their adjustments. I would love
to see Sloan and Utah win a championship or at least play for one. I have
nothing against Sloan personally. However, changing players is not
going to fix this as long as the weaknesses are built into the team and are
derived from Sloan's biases. Put in the right outside plays and get
one or more good outside shooters and things will improve some. The
major problem lies in the Sloan system (and lack of outside plays that work).
Greg will do nothing. Read his comments. Zero....He is going to help the
problem disappears, maybe the boycott idea needs to be started up again.It is all on you...Jbra, I will let up on you, your last
post was exceptional and I appreciate you at least will be open to change, I
cannot say that for many on this board...It stinks JBRA because whether, and I
say this on the Oracle also, I respect Sloan more than all of you think. I am
old enough to remember his NBA career and I admired him tremendously. As a
husband, dad, granddad, character person, accomplishments-He was a worthy Hall
of Fame choice.It stinks, we have to get nasty many of us. I am not
proud of that attitude. Unfortunately, in life nowadays, pressure seems to be
the only thing that moves people. Greg is scared because if he cleans house and
forces Jerry to retirement like Bowden, he is scared of no shows.There are likely I estimate roughly 15 to 16 thousand season seat holders. If
he does not do something drastic like force Jerry out or clean house, next year
will dwindle to 12
read Greg's words. Fans-we have nowhere to go. This is what you all can do.
What needs to be done, needs to be done. Greg has no choice but to do it.
Buisness is buisness. Managment has failed.
Most of the Jazz players could play for another team. You all are always talking
about trading them. If they are so pathetic who would want them? The
problem is with the Sloan system. Trade for all of the big names you want
(McGrady etc). They will not be able to run the system either. They won't play D
either. The Sloan system requires a lot of effort to run. It is also
very tempermental. If it is run at the wrong pace the outside shooting suffers
and the TOs go up.Pace is one way to disrupt the Sloan offense. Disrupting DWill (big or fast guard) works. However, the
best way to disrupt it is to have good inside defenders (Nene and Anderson). How
many times were the Jazz blocked? How many jump shots were they force to take?
Sloan is attempting to play an inside offense with a small line up.
Okur is not an inside player. Boozer can't handle tall athletic defenders. That leaves jump shots because Sloan has no formal outside offense. The problem is mostly Sloan's offense and refusal to modify it. Greg look at your HOF coach for the answer.
Greg move the team? Not in a million years, what would happen to his buisness in
Utah? There popularity would be destroyed and there dealers would start having
average sales at best. The jazz will be in Utah until humas are no more.
the first time. The Sloan system is toast. It is worthless against teams that
know how to disrupt it. Until Sloan modifies it or develops an alternative
system (or at least a set of plays) that will open up the inside game, it is
futile to try to beat a team that knows how to defeat the Sloan system. You might get lucky (like against LA) and get enough outside shooting to
win once in a while. However, until that system is fixed and/or you get enough
outside shooting this team is going to lose half of its games. The
players are not that bad of outside shooters! They are having to create outside
shots out of a busted inside system. Sloan has not created the outside plays
that are needed to improve the outside shooting percentages that are necessary
to make the inside game work. The players are tired of doing the
coach's job (creating an offense). Maybe they are signaling that part of the
problems are with the lack of coaching and coaching adjustments. If
you are a player and can't make the offense run, what would you do?
I wouldn't place all of the blame on the players. DEN was the first (that I am
aware of) team that discovered how to disrupt the Sloan offense last year.If you watch the game there is no inside Sloan offense. The TOs come
from trying to run that offense. The players can't make it run so they shoot
jump shots. Sloan has no designed outside offense that he can fall
back on when the inside offense is throttled. Nene personally
throttled the Sloan offense. That is all it takes, one really good defensive
big. DEN also studied DWill extensively and knows how to disrupt him. Lawson knifed thru the Jazz defense as usual. The bigs did not or could not
get back fast enough. The DEN defense caused the Jazz to play at a
pace that was to fast. The offense always disrupts at that pace. I
know you don't want to hear this but it is not just the players. Sloan is badly
out coached. His system is negated. People have studied it and know how to
disrupt it and he has not come up with decent adjustments. New
players will not fix this.
Seriously! TRADE BOOZER - PLEASE!!!!!
They looked like it was a job like they didn't even want to be
thereits not that you lost...it's that you never playedif you can't love the game don't collect a paycheckhey thats a
good idea how about you all donate your checks to charityi'm
questioning your love of the game over the love of a big paychecki
saw the guys that get paid the least play with the most attitude and heart
Jazz are really going after one record this year...and that is how many times
they can embarress themselves in a season.just terrible and they
know iti'm just speechless...had so much to say at the
game and on the way homejust speechless...
Todd: Read the comment you posted before mine, I was just trying to throw all of
your quotes into one staement as a joke. Nobody truely feels that way, at least
not that I can see. I've enjoyed Sloan over the years and yes, I think he needs
to retire. We'll move on w/o him. Do you really think people fear Greg moving
the team? Wasn't he born and raised in Utah? Now if Sloan being fired would lead
to AK being his old 5x5 self, then i'm all for it, I just don't see it though.
As for McGrady, Butler and Maggette- I like all 3 possibilities.
McGrady just because he would come off the books after the year and he sounds
inspired to play good if you've heard any of his comments lately. Butler would
be a good fit, i'm not sure what it would take to get him or contract numbers,
but he's a tough player. Maggette would fit us well, he's out of place in GS, he
needs to be in a halfcourt offense. Good mid range game and gets to the ft line.
No 'Melo or Billups and the Jazz still lost by 10? I didn't see the game but it
doesn't seem like there was anything to miss. UTA: C. Boozer 18 Pts, 10
Reb, 3 Ast It would be nice to sit D-Will and Boozer. Who here thinks the
Jazz could win a game for the rest of the season without them? Anyone?
The jazz players are gutless.I know the reason they are so
inconsistent too.THERE IS NO LEADER ON THIS TEAM.DERON
WILLIAMS AND HIS PATHETIC TURNOVERS demonstrate the fact that there is nobody on
this team with enough talent to be a leader!!
I have waited till they are healthy to complain so hear it goes...Was at the
game and honestly feel cheated.Boozer is such a big guy playing so
little...small...tiny...puny...you complain too much if you get bumped Malone I
swear would relish the contact and would not get going until there was some.Ok Memo your not a great defender but you are a gunslinger.It's nice to
mix up your game cause in the playoffs it will be needed but don't forget...your
a gunslinger(shooter)I still like Sloan (for now) but memo must come
off the bench with a moer mobile power forward AK And Boozer needs Fes in the
lane to cover for him on the Defense.Poor little williams is being
turned into a shooting guard (cause no one can hit from the outside if being
I am a die hard Jazz fan here in Boiling Springs N.C. However, this story line
is getting glier by the day! Pride and Emotion - Where is it. Does
any player or coach even care how bad they are? I have played and coached
basketball for a long time and can tell you I would be going crazy if that were
my team displaying that kind of basketball. These guys are making millions to
play this game. Boy, would I like to be 6'7 and have a chance to play in the NBA
for millions. How can you be an NBA player and not be able to hit a jump shot or
make a free throw. Please trade for a center that will play hard and has a great
attitude. Tatoos and profanity will not win games. Heart and character will.
Please management...for the fan's sake hire players that have it!!!!Looks like
it's the same old story with 50 games to go..WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR
Or in this case, SSDG: same stuff, different game. Had a chance to go tonight
and turned it down - good thing, I would have been p-o'd to make the trip, pay
for parking, etc. etc. and be "rewarded" with the effort (cough, gasp) the Jazz
put out tonight.Until there are changes - either roster or front
office, I don't care which - I'm voting with my wallet: you won't see me in the
ESA. Take a hint, Millers - it's time to change it up.
You could really shake this thing up if you wanted to, except again, we would
have to deal with "SLoan like every issue" and his "type of player and his
system"Therefore, instead of Maggette, Butler, Mcgrady, fans here
would rather watch Okur, Kirilenko and CJ feeling they are better players and
are "us"How is Lionel Hollins of Memphis making his team "vastly
improve" just because of Randolph?He is a wet noodle
personality, Makes Sloan look like Mr Warmth Like Donnie RicklesSomeone explain how The Grizzlies and so many get better and we are not? Yeah
Draft Picks I realize but that cannot be all of it...
I thought he did alright while he was in there. I thought it was the wooses down
in the paint that failed along with the coach that didn't try to correct the
My dear friend! Amigo! That is the point! Is there something many of you that
live closer to the Jazz know that maybe I do not? If so, maybe if you know
something as we do not know your true identity, tell us... You seem to truly
feel if Jerry Leaves Greg will move the team? Please explain this to me.. I do
not want the Jazz to move guys cmon. If that is the case, what circumstances
would he ever "not move the team" Even If Jerry was 85 and won 10 titles in a
row, he would have to leave eventually. Please enlighten us...The
team has issues. I still think effort and strong coaching, game strategies, new
attitude, new approach will cure MUCH of this problem.The 2 players
that would most in my opinion, benefit from a coaching change is CJ and Andrei.
Okur to me should be the priority first to be traded.
Wilt would have none of this, neither would Koufos or Fesenko. They wouldn't
have wilted like that. I think there should be a news conference pertaining to
why they were not utilized during the game. Lets hear it Jerry.
The CJ experiment has FAILED. After a pathetic 3-5 first 8 games with AK
starting, Sloan starts Matthews and, with an 8-man rotation, Jazz go 11-4. Then
CJ returns and plays significant minutes and Jazz go 2-2. Then CJ gets his
starting job back and Jazz go 2-4 (and it was almost 1-5). Even tonight, the
quarters CJ started we lost by 9; the quarters Matthews started we were almost
even.Only Matthews and Price play like they want to win. Yes they
make mistakes, but they are mistakes of effort, from trying too hard. And they
play tough D. Okur, AK, and CJ don't even try. The literally stand there. Boozer
is not the problem this year. It's those three. Trade them now, KOC, and get
players who want to play!
Todd: I've never said anything about overachieving, BP pointed out that the team
has a lot of overachievers, but I don't recall anyone saying this team is
overachieving. By the way, I think nearly every player in the league was all
conference in college or H.S., but the NBA is the best of the best. We
overachieved the year we made it to the western finals but this team doesn't
have any tough minded vets like that team. Right now, the record is looking a
little worse than expected, but not by much. We can either make some trades and
maybe progress a little bit or we can ride out the season and lose in the first
round, but either way we don't have a championship caliber team. The team is
flawed, what do you expect from them? The only improvement I need to be
satisfied with the team is consistent effort. Come on Todd, be
patient. Don't you know anything, it's not like we have a healthy roster. Just
keep the faith so Jerry stays and Greg doesn't move the team.
We are stuck, wholesale changes cannot be made now for the rest of the season.
I have stated the Jazz could have made 1 or 2 in season moves and been at least
a #2 seed in the West. I had a feeling Affalo would be the "new nobody to help
beat us" 3 3s does anybody scout? Affalo could hit 3s at UCLA he can
shoot.Martin, Nene and Lawson mostly had clear sailing and open
acres of space like soccer to drive all night past the statutes of Boozie and
Okurrie.CJ pouting and crying like he needed Linus and a
blanket to suck his thumb.Guess What?Now Memphis only
trails us by 1 game in the Loss Column., There is another team about to
overtake us if not now, next year. Keep supporting
Sloan. Look more uneducated if possible, instead of ripping on me for telling
the truth-tell Greg...
Even I know this team is through. One who has never played serious basketball
but continues to watch the Jazzs fold. I can see it with both 83 year old eyes.
they are done, through, and everyone knows Jerry is just sticking around until
Greg grows up and can take over. By the way, why did we buy into the big guys
who just sit on the pine.????? Oh well, someone has to be in the basement.
Points in the paint: 58-46 in favor of the Nuggets. Who could have forseen that?
Who might have warned that this would be decided in the frontcourt? Oh wait,
that was me. 15 seconds of Fesenko? That's really pulling out all the stops. And
the Nuggets were down their two best players. Why won't Jerry try something
different? Especially when it's already been proven to work? Fesenko needed to
play, I mean really play. Thought it was going to happen in the fourth quarter,
but instead, another loss with the Nuggets getting the edge in the paint and
then the teams trading buckets down the stretch. We have the players we need,
folks, but they're not being used properly.Peace out from the Jazz
Well we saw a whole 2 seconds of Fes. Nice statement to the fans Jerry. We saw
and have been seeing more of Boozer and Okur than we ever want to see again.
Jerry's post game comments will go down with him in Jazz history.
Overpaid (professionals)? Draw a check and talk about what you should have done
game after game.Denver spotted us 47 points to start, with two
leading scorers out, and then get 64 in the paint! Fes got 15 seconds!!!
to protect the rim.Defensive effort is unworthy of luxury-tax level
Miles, CJ started the game pretty well, but then he started jacking up stupid
shots and turning the ball over. I would love to see him become a great
player, but he never proves himself when given the chance. I won't be
surprised when he's out of the nba in two years or less. The Jazz have had
their fair share of one dimensional players like him who amounted to nothing.
Remember Almond and Quincy Lewis? I see CJ suffering a similar fate. Maybe CJ
could play in the D-league. That's where Almond is now.
For CJ's sake I hope they trade him, Sloan is terrible with young players. He
doesn't know how to build confidence, he only knows how to destroy it. Fes and
KK will never develope under Sloan's tutilage. Give Sloan his dues, he is a hall
of fame caoch but things have changed, the game has changed and Sloan still
wants to play the same old game. We need a coach that likes the 3 pt shot and
utilizes his players better. Sloan is being out coached more often than not
lately. Sloan either needs to play the young bigs we have and develope them or
the Jazz need to make some major trades and break thngs up. The way things are
going the Jazz will be a 500 team and in the lottery themselves. The way the
Knicks are playing they may make the playoffs and we won't even get a lottery
pick. I'm not sure the Jazz have their own pick this yr, I think they traded it
to Philly to get Korver. Not sure though.The Jazz need someone who can
create besides DWill.
A joke! A total lack of focus and effort. A truly shameful performance.
Something has to change. This year is going south quickly. D-Will, love you to
death, but you cannot handle qucik PG's. Sick or not tonight, Lawson embarrased
you! Okur and Boozer looked (usually do, but tonight was horrible) like they
could care less about playing defense. No continuity with inserting CJ in the
lineup. Time to hang em' up Jerry. You're getting out coached almost every game.
I through with this mess!
Prediction: The Jazz will beat Charlotte and all will be all right again and
all the "sloanaholics" will come out and say "Be patient" That "we know
nothing" It is "not a healthy Jazz roster" "Keep the Faith or Greg will move
the team" or if "jerry leaves, civilization as we know it changes"
Not quite the same Ed. Before, I said hoped he would leave alone "in the off
season" not "during the season".It is fine. I could care less it is
the state's problem not mine. I saw this coming a long time ago, you can all
keep defending him. All of the "sloanaholics" look sillier and sillier by the
day and night. It will never "be his fault" You cannot fire 12 players.If you all want to keep supporting being booed off the court (heard
loudly on TV) people walking out on this team early in the 4th quarter I saw
people leaving, it is ALL OF YOUR PROBLEMS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT TELL GREG YOUR
FEELINGS. You all complain on here.I guarantee if AVery, Lucas, and
others were here you would never see the efforts Boozer and Okur display
defensively... It would not be allowed.JBRA and BP come up with
stupid comments on how Sloan has "overacheived" with this roster.Most of the players on the Jazz in College were either a 1st or 2nd team
conference, or All AMerican or Honorable Mention. Koustos
was all freshman teamMillsap rebound champ etcWhat garbage
Just plain pathetic, piss poor defense!!! With the exception of Matthews nobody
else in the Jazz teams either are interested or wants to play defense. The Nuggz
just showed them how defense is played from start to finish! The Jazz despite
with all their core players intact and playing at home was outplayed, outhustled
by the Nuggets with two of their best players (Anthony and Billups) unavailable
due to injury. Wow adding insult to the beatdown....D-Will was outplayed by the
Nuggz rookie PG (Ty Lawson)!!! It is safe to say the Jazz are a below average
team and their current core of overpaid players can’t get it done. With
the way the Jazz are playing I doubt if this team will make it to the playoffs.
The Jazz needs a revamp/make change big time in the near future or it will
continue to bleed and lose a lot of fans in the process. You know what that
means….nobody will buy tickets and it will keep losing money. In the end
the team will be sold and move out of Utah!!! Let the negative votes rip!!!!
Now no offense to go with no defense. This is going to get ugly. Just wait and
see. We need john wall instead of dwill.
Good Night, The Party's oohh, oohh, oohh,ooooooohver.How do you like
the coaching extension now?
neat, maybe we can stay out of the playoffs and trade ny draft pick and ours and
get the number 10 pick next june. be glad guys we have a major team here in
little ole salt lake.
some trades. Get rid of effortless players like okur. Overpaid players like
boozer. get some players with heart.
It is time for the front office to do something this is awful. This team needs a
center bad!!!! Trade for something
Sad to say I spent some of my hard earned money to watch such a pathetic
display. I am tired of watching every team waltz past Loozer and Memo for
layups. Get a backbone Jerry! Bench those lazy prima donnas and give Fes and
Koufos some playing time. At least Price tried to stop. Nene, and he's only 6'
2"! Loozer won't be gone soon enough! Make it happen Kevin!
What does KOC have to loose if he trades almost everyone but Milsap and DWill?
Seriously, this combination does not work at all. And Okur is worthless ...
please play Fes and Koufas. They may be young, but they need to be developed.Jazz interior= worst hands in the NBA
This team makes me tired!!!! I am done. Sloan, Sloan, Sloan!
I'm usually the guy who says home fans should never do it, but if I was there, I
would've booed the Jazz silly. Horrible performance and effort. Jerry Sloan
got 100% outcoached tonight. The Jazz badly needed outside shooting. So what
does he do? Leaves in Ronnie Brewer instead of an available Kyle Korver or CJ
Miles. Poor decision making by Jerry.This team needs a major roster move.
This quote/unquote core is not built to go all the way. Kevin O'Conner, this
is a paying Jazz fan, and I'm telling you: Do your job and make this team
better. The Millers have willingly spent money. It's now your turn to make it
be put to good use insetead of this defenseless garbage I see out there. Deron
is the only untouchable. Trade anyone else if it makes us better. You're
losing the patience of the fans.
Jazz fans have lost faith in this team and they are voting with their wallets.
I understand that ticket revenues are off 17% over last year. It is bound to
get worse with this type of effort.Jerry talks about being tough but
what does he do about it when there is no follow through?Utah will
support effort even if the record is not there. This is the first time that the
record and th effort of the Jazz have been this low since the early Jazz
years.This will be the test of Greg Miller because Larry would have
demanded better and he usually got it!
With Fes's 2 seconds tonight, Jerry sent a message to the fans.
Again CJ plays less than 20 minutes and Jazz lose.He starts the
first 7 minutes of the game 3 - 5 with 2 rebounds and Jerry pulls him. Please
Please fire Jerry. If Jerry cant see our offense is suffering right now and he
needs CJ in the lineup. Fire him.
Todd: You have calling for his resignation since the dawn of time. Why is
tonight any different?
Right now the knicks are in the playoffs and the jazz aren't. We need john
wall. Anyone still thinks dwill is better than cp3 not a chance. Fire retire
A coach who says it isn't his job to motivate.Overpaid players who
don't produce.Perpetual injuries.No team leader.They are on the fast track to "gutter team status".
Could Okur play less defense? Put Fes in. It can't make things any worse at
I think this should be enough for the Millers to give up hope and seriously
consider trades. I am so tired of this Jazz team.
Good job Nuggets. Way to go. And our Jazz, losing at home with the top two
Denver scorers out, well, what is left to say?
Dear Jazz, You are making it very hard for me to watch you. Please get some
Tonight I call for the RESIGNATION of Utah Jazz basketball Coach Jerry Sloan
It is the 3rd Q. I a weary of watching this farce. Nene has totally negated the
so called Sloan inside offense. There is no Sloan system. Lawson and
JR have destroyed what little defense Utah has. Bottom line is that
the players are not playing. They are playing at the wrong pace and the wrong
spacing. There is NO offense. There is some ad hoc gaming by a few players. If Sloan has control of this team he certainly is not showing. They are
not implementing the offense. Since they aren't then Sloan should
put people in who will implement it.OR Sloan's system can't be
implemented against a depleted DEN team. What a waste of time. This pathetic game is on the players for not playing and not controling
the pace. It is also on Sloan for not controlling the play of the
players. He seems incapable of getting his offense implemented.
Glad D-Will feels good enough to go. Still hope we try to contend in the paint
with a 12-20 minute treatment of Vitamin Fess!Peace out from the