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Sour hour for Jazz against shorthanded Nuggets

But team not ready to stop playing yet despite lousy loss

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  • stupid jazz
    Jan. 5, 2010 8:44 p.m.

    the jazz are a good contending western conference team they blow it all in the 4th quarter, thats all there is to it

  • Jazzsmack
    Jan. 4, 2010 6:53 p.m.

    ONCE AGAIN,

    sloan coaches another player to a career game,

    too bad they are ALWAYS on the other team,

    by my count this is the fourth one this year.


    FIRE sloan,

    FIRE o'connor,

    FORE scott layden,


    and get people who can recognize, get, draft, trade for, and sign real talent,

    put togerther a team that designed to win chamionships and not just barely get winning records so the franchise can sell tickets and t-shirts,

    and people (a caoch) who can institute a real system, develop and coach the players, and know how to coach DURING a game.


    Here's a new years resolution for Greg Miller:

    MAN UP and actually do something.

  • BP to Todd
    Jan. 4, 2010 5:26 p.m.

    Interesting Trade. I would look at it, but I'm not sure how old Butler is. Isn't he 30 or so?

    While we're laughing, it's funny that you didn't even address the fact that the Jazz are tied for 4th in the West for Best Defense (despite the injuries, etc.). Last year we finished tied for 10th.

    As far as the Jazz only having 2-3 games like Denver, I hold to that statement. The game @ Atlanta doesn't count, since Atlanta is blowing a lot of teams out, even on the road. Getting killed by a short-handed Denver team at home is totally different. But even if I concede the point and give you Atlanta, there are at most 5 games where we should have won. Big Whoop, almost every team besides the Lakers and Boston can say the same. Even Cleveland lost some embarrassing games this year. Should they trade their whole team??? It wouldn't surprise me a bit if you were a fan in Cleveland when they lost those games, to hear you crying for them to fire their coach and trade Shaq. You're a panic artist Todd.

  • jazzman72
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:03 a.m.

    As presently constituted, the jazz are an 8th seed at best. The western conference continues to improve while the jazz stay status quo. They will never be contenders with undersized big men who can't defend, and wings who can't shoot consistently from outside and defend.

  • todd to BP
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:59 p.m.

    Could I send "Jer" to the farm?


    Please with lots of sugar on it?

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:54 p.m.

    My posts are too legit to quit. Further, I post under my real name only BP . Funny stuff, you are saying the jazz have only had 2 or 3 games like Denver all year. Did you stop counting at 2?

    Denver was one game

    Funny stuff....

    See OK City, Sacramento, Minnesota, Atlanta, At Denver etc etc etc

  • BP: some facts
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:01 p.m.

    I guess I'm becoming Todd now with all these posts (though I think Todd posted on way more than he put his name on). But this has to be shared:

    --There are only 3 teams in the West who give up fewer points than the Jazz. In other words, the Jazz by the "Points allowed" DEFENSE statistic are right there in the top 3-4 teams in the West. This is progress people.

    --On offense (Points For Jazz) we are about a 6 or 7 seed right now in the West. The whole reason our offense is suffering is because of the EFFORT that is being exerted on Defense. It's not always visible, especially in the Denver game, but Sloan and the coaching staff have these guys mentally focusing so much on defense that it is so obviously throwing off their offensive rhythm. Those who have watched most games this year cannot deny this.

    I agree the Denver game was bad. But it was one game. Denver just lost tonight at home to Philly. The Jazz haven't played more than 2 or 3 games like the Denver game this year.

    Yet you want to sell the farm

  • todd to bp
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:58 p.m.

    The way the players responded to Larry's death last year and folded like a tent, should have told you all you needed to know. I am not singling you out, that is my opinion to your remark. This team has had adversity together for like 3 years of playing together, and are no close to turning the corner to become a power than before.

    People are frustrated with the same issues over and over happening.

    BP, I worked up a trade scenario. It projects us 3-5 more wins and slighly under for the Wizards but each team would get one player in expiring contract.

    The ESPN Trade machine, accepted a deal of Butler, and Haywood for Okur, Brewer and either Koustos or Miles.

    Haywood would be perfect at center. 10 ppg, 10 boards a game. 7 footer plays defense.


    Wizards get more scoring punch and become more athletic with Brewer and Miles They have Nick Young there who has real promise.

    If they insist on the body then you nay have to move Fes or Koustos instead of Miles.


    However, you acquire one of the premier Small Forwards in Basketball. Someone who can create and shoot.

  • BP to Problem: EFFORT/CHEMISTRY
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:38 p.m.

    Exactly!

    These blogs are getting more ridiculous by the minute. I think rather than quit being a Jazz fan, I'm going to quit reading these blogs. Y'all are so negative, and so short-sighted. I too have been watching the Jazz for 20 years (haven't missed more than a few games). But the Jazz don't owe me anything. If the Jazz are pathetic, it's my fault for being pathetic enough to watch them. Right now they're way out of sync, but they're far from a lottery team. And I enjoy watching them because I see progress amidst all of this turmoil. Players need adversity, and even need to be embarrassed a few times, in order to find themselves and rise above it. This team is finding itself. Throw them under the bus all you want, but I won't. Whether we get NY's pick or trade for someone else is irrelevant because we are not going to trade the whole team. Most of these guys will stay, so let's support them.

    You complainers need to move to New York, Minnesota, or New Jersey and try to be fans in those towns.

  • fact
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:18 p.m.

    we all point the finger at who..................maybe it should start with our highest players and their effort..can D-Will guard any quicker guards, can Boozer give any effort on D-fense and how about Andre....he goes through the motions also on d-fense...they are all worried about being all-stars, they have twitter, blogs etc., trying to promote themselves..very selfish...just play and it will all work out..

  • todd to chuck
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:14 p.m.

    Of Course, the night after denver beats us they drop a game at home yet to Philadelphia.

    You knew that would happen....

  • FRANK
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:06 p.m.

    I THINK IT TO BAD THAT EVERYBODY IS KNOCKING DERON
    DOWN SURE HE HAS NOT PLAYED LIKE WE EXPECT HIM TO PLAY BUT HE HAS BEEN PLAYING INJURED SLOAN SHOULD HAVE TAKING DERON OUT WHEN THEY WHERE PLAYING DENVER AND RESTED HIM FOR NEW ORLEAN HE HAS BEEN STRUGGLING SINCE HE INJURIED HIS HAND AND HE HAS BANGED UP KNEE HE STILL THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE JAZZ YOU CAN SEE THE FRUSTRATION ON HIS FACE WHEN THE TEAM IS STRUGGLING HE PLAYING WAY TO MANY MINUTES AND FAR AS COMPARING HIM WITH CHRIS PAUL IT NOT FAIR I THINK IF CHRIS WAS INJURIED LIKE DERON HE WOULD NOT EVEN TRY TO PLAY

  • Chuck Nunn
    Jan. 3, 2010 9:38 p.m.

    Actually, the Knicks aren't in a playoff spot yet, but I agree with Cowboy Joe that folks ought not to pin too high of hopes on it. Utah's pick is protected through No. 17 before it would fall to Minnesota.

    Also, I'm not sure if anyone out there in the league is willing to offer a trade for anyone on the Jazz that would help the team. But my whole take has been to better utilize the players that Utah has before making a big change. That starts with rotation minutes for Fesenko and Koufos to make things a little tougher defensively for opponents in the paint for stretches in the game and hopefully give the Jazz an edge that they don't currently have. It's not too late.

    Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!

  • #1 Jazz Fan
    Jan. 3, 2010 9:14 p.m.

    Because I LOVE the Jazz, I admit this team will never be able to win it. It's time to blow them up and start over, including D-Will. It's not working and we're fooling ourselves if we ever think it will.

    It's sad when Ronnie Price is far and away the best player on the floor.

    Let's hope O'Connor does the right thing this trade deadline.

  • l in idaho
    Jan. 3, 2010 9:04 p.m.

    I thought it was a walk thu practice not a game that counted in the standings.What a heartless game they played like Idont care if we win or lose. Price and Matthews played like they wanted to win.Should of pulled the starters and played ALL THE BENCH. Do they have to pass the ball 3 or 4 times before they shot??lots of times they were open with good shots but would pass the ball and let the defence have time to cover and get set up.

  • Cowboy Joe ON KNICKS PICK
    Jan. 3, 2010 8:28 p.m.

    People need to stop talking about the KNICKS PICk they are in the playoffs if they started today. The Jazz pick might be a high lottery pick.

    I say trade DWILL and Boozer tank the season and get JOHN WALL. That dude is a stud

  • Lefty
    Jan. 3, 2010 7:37 p.m.

    To argue with most of these comments is like trying to talk common sense to the mentally insane. This is coming from someone who has played very serious ball and understands!

    Everyone can improve in some areas - most could improve in all areas. Even though some things could be done to mask a major problem and sooth the public - you fix the one major problem and the rest of the problems will start to fix themselves.

    Major problem is Boozer. You put someone in that position who can be trusted and gives two hoots about anyone besides himself and see what happens. Have a player who gives his all and is fiercely defending what the Jazz have stood for ~ and within a few weeks you are a top contender.

    Name one person in the NBA with Boozers talent that gives less effort and then flaunts it! Don't you think the rest of the team including coaches despise him but we're trapped in his contract. KOC should have dealt with this long ago or maybe Greg Miller should deal with KOC as he is the only one who can get rid of him!

  • jazzman72
    Jan. 3, 2010 7:29 p.m.

    @Miles, CJ is just too inconsistent. He teases us any looks really good some times, but a lot of other times he stinks up the place. You always say it's because he doesn't get enough playing time, but even when he gets significant playing time, he doesn't make the most of it. Until he becomes a more complete player with better defense and rebounding, he won't get more playing time. Notice how he rarely plays at the end of games? Jerry doesn't have confidence in him at crunch time.

  • Miles
    Jan. 3, 2010 6:26 p.m.

    @houdini: Jerry cut CJ's minutes and we are (drum roll please) losing every game.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2010 6:09 p.m.

    I have a feeling this is Sloan's last year, and the franchise will make wholesale changes; Boozer will be gone, we know that, maybe Kirilinko and even Williams. This team is going nowhere. The good news is we get New York's #1 pick, and maybe if we're bad enough, we'll get a high pick for ourselves.

  • to bp
    Jan. 3, 2010 5:54 p.m.

    If Todd wants to post 5 times every article so be it. You're obviously reading them so maybe you should get a life. I can't believe people are asking for t-mac he's terrible on D. There's a reason Houston won't play him.

  • a highly improbable thought
    Jan. 3, 2010 5:25 p.m.

    1) jazz trade Kirelinko and Korver for TMacs expiring contract freeing up 23mil next year
    2) jazz sign Chris Bosh
    3) TMac and Boozer decide to stay. because a starting line up of Dwill, TMac, Boozer, Bosh, and Okur is too good to pass up.

    I dont care what people say, TMac can still play better than kirelinko and korver. how is this a bad thing?

  • The nachos
    Jan. 3, 2010 2:31 p.m.

    were the only thing that was good at the game. The Jazz looked like they were trying out for the Globetrotters and they were not going to make the team.

  • Ryan
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:40 p.m.

    Never thought I'd say this but Deron Williams has become very problematic for me.

    He doesn't seem to know when to be a scorer and when to be a distributor.

    Either something is wrong with him or he has peaked.

    I don't see him leading this team like he should.

  • Houdini
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:14 p.m.

    miles has his minutes cut because he is un- productive,just like last year,if he helped us win,his minutes would be up,plain and simple

  • psychonurse
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:11 p.m.

    HORNACEK FOR COACH.
    MY GRANDMA CAN SHOOT BETTER THAN BREWER.
    I always thought I would be a die hard fan no matter what -but after last night it is tough. Especially since I work with so many Laker fans who like to harrass me.

  • Same old JAZZ . . .
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:30 p.m.

    Until they get rid if Sloan it will be the same JAZZ team. Need a younger coach with new coaching techniques,one that can motivate the team by being a lot more positive instead of negative.

  • The Truth IS>>>
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:13 p.m.

    So why would we trade our biggest offensive horse?
    What could we possibly get in return?
    Why fire a coach who's given us the last glimpse of real basketball? Don't worry, he'll be gone soon.

    And don't forget the money issue, the Jazz are in a tough financial situation with the luxury tax, it's
    all they can do to put themselves in a good position for the not so distant future. The Jazz aren't a top tier team because of their lack of heart, and effort. They might be sick of playing together and seeing the same old faces in the locker room, which translates on the court and destroys any chance of winning with the team based system that Jerry runs. The sad truth is we will need a new coach soon, not because he's a bad coach. But because he still believes in playing TEAM BASKETBALL, and that's something that no one else believes in anymore.

  • The Truth IS>>>
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    Here's why the Jazz can't and won't make any significant changes this season.

    Trades-Boozer is the only possible trade that any team would want with his expiring contract and numbers. AK's contract is to high and won't be attractive until its expiring, same case with Memo.

    Coach-Sloan won't be fired because the Millers have too much invested time and an extension commitment, but I highly doubt he'll choose to return past the extension.

    System-The Jazz have run this system in part for 20+ years. The major flaw in the system is it takes all 5 guys on the court to run it. That's why so many basketball fans have enjoyed watching it when ran at full. The problem is we are no longer in an era of true team basketball, the me-first, pre-madonna allstar mentality has destroyed basketball. The Celtics are the only team I've seen who display the desire and capability to run a team set. I would even liken Doc Rivers to a Sloan like coach, although he is younger and seems more adept to making in game changes necessary to win.

  • @Shecky
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    Yes Sloan did create the TOs. He designed them into his offensive system which does not work anymore. The TOs are not a new phenomena. Sloan knows exactly what causes them. It is called the right defense by the other team.

    Sloan knows exactly what will stop his offense and he is seeing more and more teams do it.

  • miles plays
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:55 a.m.

    we lose,again

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:51 a.m.

    "We'd love to go out and spend $200 million a year on talent, but that's just not realistic."


    Even with 200 million KOC couldn't build a contender less alone a champion. We have the second highest payroll for lottery team built by KOC.

    What is the direction of the team? Why is Boozer and now Price playing so many minutes when their not part of the Jazz future?

  • Myths
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    There is no ONE Sloan offense.

    The Jazz rarely run the pick and roll any more. It is stopped by good switching defenses. The offense Stockton/Malone ran is far different than the Boozer/Okur offense.

    Jerry Sloan needs to adjust this current offense to the capabilities of this group of players (without Korver). The NBA defenses have adjusted and what worked last year will not work this year.

    If Sloan can't or won't adjust the offense so that it works (the players can't implement it) then MAJOR trades are needed. Players with different skills are needed to implement current offense.

    If Utah is not careful they will go the route of DET. They traded good players for worse players.

    It is far better for Jerry to modify his offense so that it starts working better. Changes in key players should be made when the right player is available.

    The Sloan offense is really a myth. The offense morphs depending on who runs it and it morphs over time. It is whatever Sloan decides to include.

    Adjustments have to be made or the Jazz will continue to lose. The offense has failed.

  • Greg Miller?
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:44 a.m.

    Nice insight DesNews! What's next . . . The Jazz Bear looked upset after the loss, downing a whole jar of honey!

  • NO HEART LIST
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    Kirelenko
    Okur
    Miles

    No Hands List

    Okur
    Boozer

  • cj
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:15 a.m.

    Dump Brewer and Miles. Start playing Koufos and Fess. This seasaon is toast anyway.

  • Problem: EFFORT/CHEMISTRY
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    Come on Jazz fans, are we seriously relegated to blaming the coach again? The guy is a hall-of-famer for a reason. He is extremely well respected by his peers for a reason. I remember Laker fans complaining about Phil Jackson a few years ago when the Lakers were winning 40 games a season. So what changed there? The players, not the coach. Bynum grew up, and Gasol came gift wrapped to LA.

    What the Jazz need is a defensive inside presence, and an outside shooting threat not named D-Will or Okur. They need a wing that can CONSISTENTLY score from the outside (typically Korver).

    KOC needs to figure out a way to turn Boozer and spare parts into Chris Bosh. Maybe Boozer + CJ + NY's draft pick.

    I would love to say "find a way to dump AK," but it makes more sense to keep him for the rest of the year, and then they can use his very valuable expiring contract to move him.

    And come on people, complaining about Deron Williams? Really? "Best point guard in the NBA" --Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith

    Even the best have down games every now and then.

  • California Jazz fan
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:53 a.m.

    I believe the Jazz will be the 7th or 8th spot & loose in the 1st round, like 2009. Max salary AK no longer a monster on help defense (blocks, steals), Boozer/Okur lack defense. Too many TO's as risky passes are made for little advantage outside the paint (Jazz have high shooting %, but too many turnovers). Okur should never stray from the 3-point line: he can hit 3's, little success in the paint & he drags the opposing center off the boards.
    I'm not saying blow up this team, but it topped out on the WC Finals a few years ago with this nucleus. I would keep Williams/Brewer/Milsap, possibly Miles/Korver/Price/Matthews as bench players. AK should be unloaded for any offer to remove his salary, Boozer/Okur have value, and should be dealt for quality players who can play defense. Talent-wise, this team should be AT LEAST a middle playoff seed (4th/5th), but the effort isn't there every night. Sloan's system has them averaging 100/points a game, but he can't play defense for them. Too bad, this year looked promising with an un-injured Boozer playing well...

  • worm
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    you obviously can't motivate these guys with money.
    Maybe if they were paid by how they played you would see some effort.

  • Once Again-Lay That Egg
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:41 a.m.

    Nobody has said this yet today but I will. These players don't want to play for this coach! Flat out don't respect him or like him, and will not play his system or any system he comes up with. Get rid of Sloan, and I guarantee a new coach will soon rid himself of A.K., Brewer, Miles, Boozer, and Memo! Each one of them are absolutely afraid of contact or agressive play. All 5 have a heart the size of a pinhead. The Miller family seems to think the listing ship will right itself, but quite frankly they are dreaming, and until a new coach and GM are are brought in this team will continue to flounder. What a mess! Sell them or do something Millers. Maybe Checketts and friends would be interested, but wouldn't be my choice for new ownership. We may be small market, but we will support a winner! Do nothing and watch your ticket sales plummet the balance of this year and next year. Manage with your head not your heart Greg.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:38 a.m.

    haha you wanted Price to play point the whole game, and then Ak backing him up? Yes Deron's defense wasn't great, but if he wouldn't have played we would have gotten hammered! Price played well defensively, but when it came to running the offense and playing point, he stunk it up!

  • Miles
    Jan. 3, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    Turnovers by CJ....I think you meant to say something else. CJ played great last night until Jerry yanked him for no reason.

    Please Kevin trade CJ to a teamt that knows how to use his talents. Please and while you are at it, trade AK so he can use his talents too. Perhaps you could throw in Koufus and Fez too? 4 players wasting away on Jerry's bench.

  • wasting time
    Jan. 3, 2010 9:45 a.m.

    The Jazz are headed right for the lottery. In which we will have our pick and the Knicks. If we can find a way to get something for Boozer maybe get rid of AK to lighten the Salary load. We can have a semi rebuilding off season. We need to build our future around D-Will, Brewer, Matthews, Millsap, Fes and Koufos we should be fine. We need size and inside D which we don't have right now. We need quickness and defensive minded players as well at he guard level. Which is Matthews and Brewer. This is the first season in many that I feel like I am wasting time by watching games like last night since the Jazz out out worked by a short handed Denver team.

  • King of Frustration
    Jan. 3, 2010 9:31 a.m.

    If you are sick, do not play. Let someone go full speed.

    How pathetic to let Ty Lawson be something like +15 against someone who says he should be considered and all-star.

    I just can't be bothered anymore.

    Who leads this team by example?

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 3, 2010 9:16 a.m.

    If they are going to just hold onto their players and not trade, they might as well get the youngsters some experience, i mean really, the jazz aren't going to be noticeably better or worse for playing fesenko and koufus, this is what i've been saying for a year and a half. Either you make a trade or you odn't, it only makes sense to get them some experience, as the roster is likely going to change, and seeing the roster must change has been clear for about a year, at least, since boozer decided to get surgery, right there, the jazz haven't been able to get the pre surgery chemistry back, and i didn't think they would, which is why i've been screaming trade!!!!!!!!! and give the youngsters some time on the floor, crying out loud, it really isn't going to make much of a difference either way, it is just the prudent thing to do, and the opportunity is good, better to get them time now that they have good players around them, then after the roster changes, really, think about it!!change is coming, prepare for it man.

  • zuma
    Jan. 3, 2010 9:05 a.m.

    having been a jazz fan since 1982-83 season and seen a lot up and downs it is really hard to watch these guys i have seen at least %98 of the games on t.v. for the past 26 + years but now i can barely watch for more than a minute i consider myself a die hard fan but iam tired of this same old act i think they need to make a move roster wise soon and if they dont make the playoffs does jerry come back? i think it is time for a change

  • Sammy sez
    Jan. 3, 2010 8:54 a.m.

    After the bitter loss to the thunder, not really a surprise Utah lost this game although with Anthony and Billups both out Utah should have been able to man up and take advantage of that. The Jazz have not been the same team since Derek Fisher left. Fisher has always bled Laker purple, he used his daughters health issues as a BS excuse to stamp his ticket out of Utah. As this team is right now, they are soft and changes to the roster are needed. DWill and Boozer are poor mans versions of Stock and Malone. They need better complimentary players on the team if they are to succeed. Start by getting rid of Okur and AK, and bring in some guys who will play tough physical defense and set a standard for the rest of the team. Sloan is not the best coach but he's adequate. He should have won at least one championship with Malone, Stockton, and Hornacek but Malone put too much pressure on himnself in the playoffs and screwed up when he should have deferred to his teammates a little more.

  • Sack Sloan
    Jan. 3, 2010 8:27 a.m.

    Sloan was and continues to be the problem with the Jazz. Until he's gone, Jazz fans can expect to be dissapointed year in and year out. The talent's there, but the will to win and the know how are absent. Miller needs to cut ties with him and try a new coach with a different perspective. One that can actually motivate players to succeed, not treat them like a circa 1790's Prussian general.

  • Ex fan
    Jan. 3, 2010 8:26 a.m.

    I don't think I can take it any longer. Which is it? The players we have are either unable or unwilling to run the offensive scheme put in place by Sloan. They look completely lost out there. It is physically painful to try to watch this team play basketball. But I guess if I was supposed to play in that offensive scheme, I would look just as bored out there. Why can't we have an up-tempo run and gun team that is exciting to watch. I mean come on, it's not like we are going to win a championship anyway.

  • Chukar
    Jan. 3, 2010 8:05 a.m.

    BOOO BOOO!!!

  • John WIcks
    Jan. 3, 2010 7:37 a.m.

    I have never seen a Jazz team quit. Last night they slap Jerry right in the face. He has lost his fire too. The game has finally passed him by sorry to say. Glad to see Fes get 16 secs. What a pathetic group. I will now boycott all future games.

  • At least Price
    Jan. 3, 2010 7:33 a.m.

    played good defense. He didn't have the greatest game but at least the effort was there. All I ask for is a honest nights work. We miss Harpring!

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2010 7:28 a.m.

    the team were good before Miles got the starting role, before Maynor was traded, before Price got the back up point chores, before AK was back

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2010 7:05 a.m.

    We need a Defensive Center (Eaton-like) and a Shooter (Hornacek-like)!

  • scodyshootfight (KC)
    Jan. 3, 2010 6:44 a.m.

    Once again another SICKENING performance. I don't agree with Sloan and Miller. This team has plenty of talent, but they CAN'T win enough games to be competitive. So yes, hit the panic button and do something. Jerry, we love ya for all you've done, but it's time to go. Thank you for all the great years.

  • Doing it wrong
    Jan. 3, 2010 6:43 a.m.

    I had a friend who was a professional guitar player. He also was an engineer. He understood systems. Concerning guitar playing he once explained "if it is hard you are doing it wrong".

    The Sloan system is complicated and hard to implement. The way you attack a system is to hit the most vulnerable parts or connections. That causes the whole (team) to fail.

    When the Sloan system works it makes the collective players better. When it fails it makes them worse than the are.

    Coaches have identified the weaknesses in the Sloan system and exploited them. The reason the Jazz are Jeckle and Hyde is due to the system which sometimes works.

    This year the system is failing at home which means it is easier to fail. It has NEVER worked well on the road.

    It takes a lot of effort by all 5 players to run it. If one is sick, has an off night or does not play the system fails.

    Sloan tendency toward set rotations insures prolonged failure as long as there is exploitation of one or more weaknesses on the floor.

    Fix or get rid of the system or fix the substitutions.

  • FDR
    Jan. 3, 2010 6:02 a.m.

    When will be play Koufos. Ridiculous. So much a waste of time watching what's going on out there on the court. Play and develope Koufos, he is as good as anyone else in the paint on the wing and gives us length,hustle, strength, more than our other bigs. Unbelievable.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 3, 2010 5:32 a.m.

    CJ doesn't know how to win. All the opinions that cj is hurting the team are probably correct. I hate to admit it, but it's the truth.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 3, 2010 5:27 a.m.

    Oh yeah, this team can win five games in a row. But, it might never happen, if i were greg, i think he was saying that it's hard to have faith in this team. What he said was right, we have talented players who know how to win. So, why this? It's a heartbreaker.

  • shecky
    Jan. 3, 2010 5:18 a.m.

    Don't blame Sloan. He didn't commit the turnovers.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2010 4:27 a.m.

    I might be a lone in this opinion but I think Denver is a better team with out Carmelo playing. Mainly because defensively they seem a lot better.

  • the Mailman
    Jan. 3, 2010 4:24 a.m.

    Happy to see the loss, even happier it was without Melo and Billups.

    More losses at home the better, keep em coming boys.
    I love the Jazz just as much as anyone here but more bad rsults is the only chance we have of getting the change we all need.

    Don't you love the excuuses from Sloan? Absolute words of wisdom! A defeatest attitude if ever their was one. How can that Denver team be too good for us?..

  • Styrhe
    Jan. 3, 2010 2:55 a.m.

    Every team in the NBA outside of the lakers and celts have made significant changes in the past 2 years except the jazz. Change leads to hope, even if it turns out bad, the change and hope that stems from it are what keeps fans from giving up...which is where I have been with this set of players for at least a year now...I love the jazz but cannot watch anymore because I care more than the players do. It is SO frustrating and depressing.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2010 2:17 a.m.

    If you really want parity in profesional sports, then convince Bill Gates to buy the nba! Or NFL! And who cares who wins as long as someone other than boston or la wins it every other year! Then the referees can actually call a game the way it should be called! NEVERMIND! We like it when Ben Rothlisberger gets credit for a touchdown in the superbowl and he don't even cross the line! Jazz fans, watch other games without the jazz playing and you will see how close all this is to professional wrestling or wrastling! HOPEFULLY ONE DAY PRO SPORTS WILL JUST GO AWAY!!

  • BP
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:59 a.m.

    Todd:
    For the record, my comment about overachieving was a general statement in case you couldn't tell. The Jazz have always been an overachieving team. Greg Ostertag, Bryon Russell, Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Greg Foster, Adam Keefe, etc. need I go on. Even Stockton was a huge surprise. If you really look at it, our current team actually has more talent than our 2 Finals teams, but that's not always a good thing. Like jbra80 pointed out very well, the Jazz are still a work in progress and we have no choice but to be patient or stop being fans. But for crying out loud, stop the whining. The team doesn't pay you to spend all of your waking hours agonizing over the decisions they're paid to make. Let them do their job, and you DO YOURS (ie. be a fan and leave it at that).

  • BP
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:46 a.m.

    Todd the Whistle Blower calling for Sloans resignation. Why don't you write Greg a letter? I find it funny that you got upset that Jazz management didn't listen to you when you wanted them to get Javale McGee. I don't even think Javale McGee was available when we drafted 2 years ago. At any rate, you seem to think management is completely stupid and you're the smartest guy in the world. That's why they're running a Multi-million dollar franchise and you're in Santa Ana doing nothing but free-lance writing for the Jazz underground blog nation. I mean seriously, you post like 5-10 times every article that is written. That must take some serious time. Maybe if you applied the same energy and intensity into something that could actually benefit you, then maybe you'd find satisfaction. The rest of us, we're just loyal fans that post on an article when we get a chance once in a while, but whom nevertheless love the Jazz for the team they've always been and will be soon again. You can count on it. Firing Jerry is completely Ignorant.

  • Replacing Sloan with
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:30 a.m.

    an assistant is not an answer unless the assistant knows who to modify the offense.

    If the assistants know how then Sloan knows how (but won't).

    The interior defense will not change until Boozer or Okur are replaced with a defender. Millsap will still be to short and foul a lot. There is no quick fix for the interior D unless Boozer is traded.

    The big problem is in the inside offense. Okur is not a banger. Boozer does the best he can against athletic bigs. Short of trading for other bigs (how do you get the right players for Boozer or Okur?).

    It is cheaper, faster and easier to add outside shooting. However, it is not just a player problem.

    The root of the problem is Sloan and his refusal to create an outside offense that gets shooters open with rebounders defenders in place (against the fast break).

    Other teams have such systems (with and without true Cs).

    Sloan could modify his system to include these capabilities. He has not.

    He certainly is capable of stealing a few plays from other teams.

    Before you lose faith in the players maybe you should put some heat on Sloan?

  • Man
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:27 a.m.

    Didn't anyone read the article. Get used to this same lazy pathetic Jazz team for the rest of the year. It sounds like Greg and Sloan want to keep this band of losers together for some reason. The Jazz have already thrown in the towel and I am not even expecting this Lazy team to make the playoffs this year. And even if they barely sneak in the playoffs we are an 8th seed and all we can look forward to is a 1 win or a sweep exit. Worst Jazz team I have seen in a long time. The old Sloan would be benching and knocking heads around.

  • 18-15, so they...
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:25 a.m.

    might have the same record as last season and made playoffs as the 8th seed, but now they have OKC, Memphis, Phoenix that are all better than last season and will also be going for the 8th seed.

    Jazz = no playoffs this season. Time to panic.

  • Quandry
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:15 a.m.

    Greg is in a serious quandry. He is rapidly losing the support of the fan base by following the advice of Sloan and KOC on continuity. He can see clearly that they were wrong at this point.

    However, he has over paid Okur, Millsap and Price which makes them hard to move. He is stuck with AK.

    Boozer, Korver, Brewer and Mathews are expiring contracts. Boozer is the offense and it is hard to replace him. Outside shooting is needed. Korver is not a good trade. Mathews is a cheap find. What can you get for Brewer that would be better?

    The Jazz are better off to keep the expiring contracts unless they can get exactly what they want in return.

    The major problem is that the NBA has changed and moved past Sloan's offense. His approach is obsolete (at least the way he is doing it so far this year).

    Greg is afraid to replace Sloan. If a new coach and new system do not start winning immediately there will be a lot of fans upset.

    It is a lose/lose unless Sloan makes the changes necessary to win.

    Sloan is the key. Players are secondary.

  • wisdom of crowds
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:10 a.m.

    die-hard homer talk: fans just want to see players pumped up to fight the war - win or lose. Instead, we watch players fighting themselves. got world class athletes on deck but get beat by bottom-feeders. no wonder fans be fleeing that.

    it's not about the Xs & Os. basic! It's about the focus & aggression and, yes, motivation of players. That's worth a 20-point swing. It's the other 90% of the game... Jerry, where is that in your coaching bag-o-tricks? Time to bring in fresh talent, while Jerry's seasoned hands still guide the wheel? Can't coach forever. This season is toast. Time to pass the baton Jerry Sloan, sir.

    And don't even talk to me about Maynor. Saved $6 million and broke the hearts of fans & team. If the Jazz are about entertainment,not winning, then at least take down that ugly photo of feske-what'shisname.

  • Silva
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:06 a.m.

    Blaming Sloan when the Jazz stood by and watched players score is hilarious. Keep up the good work people!

  • Everyone of these players
    Jan. 3, 2010 1:00 a.m.

    is good enough that they would make it on another team. Even Collins is playing and he is worse than all of the current Jazz players.

    The problem is not with the talent of the players and most games the players have put forth the effort. Tonight they were down but the real problem is with changes and adjustments smart coaches are making to dismantle the Sloan inside game.

    These coaches also know the Sloan designed this team with weakness in outside shooting and interior defense.

    They know how to exploit the Sloan offense and lack of defense. They also know that Sloan will not (or can not)make the adjustments to counter their adjustments.

    I would love to see Sloan and Utah win a championship or at least play for one. I have nothing against Sloan personally.

    However, changing players is not going to fix this as long as the weaknesses are built into the team and are derived from Sloan's biases.

    Put in the right outside plays and get one or more good outside shooters and things will improve some.

    The major problem lies in the Sloan system (and lack of outside plays that work).

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:59 a.m.

    Greg will do nothing. Read his comments. Zero....He is going to help the problem disappears, maybe the boycott idea needs to be started up again.

    It is all on you...

    Jbra, I will let up on you, your last post was exceptional and I appreciate you at least will be open to change, I cannot say that for many on this board...It stinks JBRA because whether, and I say this on the Oracle also, I respect Sloan more than all of you think. I am old enough to remember his NBA career and I admired him tremendously. As a husband, dad, granddad, character person, accomplishments-He was a worthy Hall of Fame choice.

    It stinks, we have to get nasty many of us. I am not proud of that attitude. Unfortunately, in life nowadays, pressure seems to be the only thing that moves people. Greg is scared because if he cleans house and forces Jerry to retirement like Bowden, he is scared of no shows.

    There are likely I estimate roughly 15 to 16 thousand season seat holders. If he does not do something drastic like force Jerry out or clean house, next year will dwindle to 12

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:46 a.m.

    read Greg's words. Fans-we have nowhere to go. This is what you all can do. Stop going...

  • Joe Harmons
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:39 a.m.

    What needs to be done, needs to be done. Greg has no choice but to do it. Buisness is buisness. Managment has failed.

  • It is not just the players
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:38 a.m.

    Most of the Jazz players could play for another team. You all are always talking about trading them. If they are so pathetic who would want them?

    The problem is with the Sloan system. Trade for all of the big names you want (McGrady etc). They will not be able to run the system either. They won't play D either.

    The Sloan system requires a lot of effort to run. It is also very tempermental. If it is run at the wrong pace the outside shooting suffers and the TOs go up.

    Pace is one way to disrupt the Sloan offense.

    Disrupting DWill (big or fast guard) works.

    However, the best way to disrupt it is to have good inside defenders (Nene and Anderson). How many times were the Jazz blocked? How many jump shots were they force to take?

    Sloan is attempting to play an inside offense with a small line up. Okur is not an inside player. Boozer can't handle tall athletic defenders.

    That leaves jump shots because Sloan has no formal outside offense.

    The problem is mostly Sloan's offense and refusal to modify it.

    Greg look at your HOF coach for the answer.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:35 a.m.

    Greg move the team? Not in a million years, what would happen to his buisness in Utah? There popularity would be destroyed and there dealers would start having average sales at best. The jazz will be in Utah until humas are no more.

  • In Case you did not get it
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:21 a.m.

    the first time. The Sloan system is toast. It is worthless against teams that know how to disrupt it. Until Sloan modifies it or develops an alternative system (or at least a set of plays) that will open up the inside game, it is futile to try to beat a team that knows how to defeat the Sloan system.

    You might get lucky (like against LA) and get enough outside shooting to win once in a while. However, until that system is fixed and/or you get enough outside shooting this team is going to lose half of its games.

    The players are not that bad of outside shooters! They are having to create outside shots out of a busted inside system. Sloan has not created the outside plays that are needed to improve the outside shooting percentages that are necessary to make the inside game work.

    The players are tired of doing the coach's job (creating an offense). Maybe they are signaling that part of the problems are with the lack of coaching and coaching adjustments.

    If you are a player and can't make the offense run, what would you do?

  • Dear Greg
    Jan. 3, 2010 12:13 a.m.

    I wouldn't place all of the blame on the players. DEN was the first (that I am aware of) team that discovered how to disrupt the Sloan offense last year.

    If you watch the game there is no inside Sloan offense. The TOs come from trying to run that offense. The players can't make it run so they shoot jump shots.

    Sloan has no designed outside offense that he can fall back on when the inside offense is throttled.

    Nene personally throttled the Sloan offense. That is all it takes, one really good defensive big. DEN also studied DWill extensively and knows how to disrupt him.

    Lawson knifed thru the Jazz defense as usual. The bigs did not or could not get back fast enough.

    The DEN defense caused the Jazz to play at a pace that was to fast. The offense always disrupts at that pace.

    I know you don't want to hear this but it is not just the players. Sloan is badly out coached. His system is negated. People have studied it and know how to disrupt it and he has not come up with decent adjustments.

    New players will not fix this.

  • KKB
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:52 p.m.


    Seriously! TRADE BOOZER - PLEASE!!!!!

  • To all jazz Players....
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:52 p.m.

    They looked like it was a job

    like they didn't even want to be there

    its not that you lost...it's that you never played

    if you can't love the game don't collect a paycheck

    hey thats a good idea how about you all donate your checks to charity

    i'm questioning your love of the game over the love of a big paycheck

    i saw the guys that get paid the least play with the most attitude and heart

  • JazzFan4ever???
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:40 p.m.

    Jazz are really going after one record this year...and that is how many times they can embarress themselves in a season.

    just terrible and they know it

    i'm just speechless...

    had so much to say at the game and on the way home

    just speechless...

  • jbra80
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:40 p.m.

    Todd: Read the comment you posted before mine, I was just trying to throw all of your quotes into one staement as a joke. Nobody truely feels that way, at least not that I can see. I've enjoyed Sloan over the years and yes, I think he needs to retire. We'll move on w/o him. Do you really think people fear Greg moving the team? Wasn't he born and raised in Utah? Now if Sloan being fired would lead to AK being his old 5x5 self, then i'm all for it, I just don't see it though.

    As for McGrady, Butler and Maggette- I like all 3 possibilities. McGrady just because he would come off the books after the year and he sounds inspired to play good if you've heard any of his comments lately. Butler would be a good fit, i'm not sure what it would take to get him or contract numbers, but he's a tough player. Maggette would fit us well, he's out of place in GS, he needs to be in a halfcourt offense. Good mid range game and gets to the ft line.

  • THEeyepatch
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:39 p.m.

    No 'Melo or Billups and the Jazz still lost by 10? I didn't see the game but it doesn't seem like there was anything to miss.
    UTA: C. Boozer 18 Pts, 10 Reb, 3 Ast
    It would be nice to sit D-Will and Boozer. Who here thinks the Jazz could win a game for the rest of the season without them? Anyone?

  • Sissies!!
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:33 p.m.

    The jazz players are gutless.

    I know the reason they are so inconsistent too.

    THERE IS NO LEADER ON THIS TEAM.

    DERON WILLIAMS AND HIS PATHETIC TURNOVERS demonstrate the fact that there is nobody on this team with enough talent to be a leader!!

  • JazzFan4ever???
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:29 p.m.

    I have waited till they are healthy to complain so hear it goes...Was at the game and honestly feel cheated.

    Boozer is such a big guy playing so little...small...tiny...puny...you complain too much if you get bumped Malone I swear would relish the contact and would not get going until there was some.

    Ok Memo your not a great defender but you are a gunslinger.It's nice to mix up your game cause in the playoffs it will be needed but don't forget...your a gunslinger(shooter)

    I still like Sloan (for now) but memo must come off the bench with a moer mobile power forward AK And Boozer needs Fes in the lane to cover for him on the Defense.

    Poor little williams is being turned into a shooting guard (cause no one can hit from the outside if being guarded.

  • Rick Dees of NC
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:22 p.m.

    I am a die hard Jazz fan here in Boiling Springs N.C. However, this story line is getting glier by the day!

    Pride and Emotion - Where is it. Does any player or coach even care how bad they are? I have played and coached basketball for a long time and can tell you I would be going crazy if that were my team displaying that kind of basketball. These guys are making millions to play this game. Boy, would I like to be 6'7 and have a chance to play in the NBA for millions. How can you be an NBA player and not be able to hit a jump shot or make a free throw. Please trade for a center that will play hard and has a great attitude. Tatoos and profanity will not win games. Heart and character will. Please management...for the fan's sake hire players that have it!!!!Looks like it's the same old story with 50 games to go..WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR

  • SSDD
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:22 p.m.

    Or in this case, SSDG: same stuff, different game. Had a chance to go tonight and turned it down - good thing, I would have been p-o'd to make the trip, pay for parking, etc. etc. and be "rewarded" with the effort (cough, gasp) the Jazz put out tonight.

    Until there are changes - either roster or front office, I don't care which - I'm voting with my wallet: you won't see me in the ESA. Take a hint, Millers - it's time to change it up.

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:17 p.m.

    You could really shake this thing up if you wanted to, except again, we would have to deal with "SLoan like every issue" and his "type of player and his system"

    Therefore, instead of Maggette, Butler, Mcgrady, fans here would rather watch Okur, Kirilenko and CJ feeling they are better players and are "us"

    How is Lionel Hollins of Memphis making his team "vastly improve" just because of Randolph?


    He is a wet noodle personality, Makes Sloan look like Mr Warmth Like Donnie Rickles

    Someone explain how The Grizzlies and so many get better and we are not? Yeah Draft Picks I realize but that cannot be all of it...

  • C.J. Failed?
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:13 p.m.

    I thought he did alright while he was in there. I thought it was the wooses down in the paint that failed along with the coach that didn't try to correct the problem.

  • todd to JBRA
    Jan. 2, 2010 11:10 p.m.

    My dear friend! Amigo! That is the point! Is there something many of you that live closer to the Jazz know that maybe I do not? If so, maybe if you know something as we do not know your true identity, tell us... You seem to truly feel if Jerry Leaves Greg will move the team? Please explain this to me.. I do not want the Jazz to move guys cmon. If that is the case, what circumstances would he ever "not move the team" Even If Jerry was 85 and won 10 titles in a row, he would have to leave eventually. Please enlighten us...

    The team has issues. I still think effort and strong coaching, game strategies, new attitude, new approach will cure MUCH of this problem.

    The 2 players that would most in my opinion, benefit from a coaching change is CJ and Andrei. Okur to me should be the priority first to be traded.

  • Wilt?
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:53 p.m.

    Wilt would have none of this, neither would Koufos or Fesenko. They wouldn't have wilted like that. I think there should be a news conference pertaining to why they were not utilized during the game. Lets hear it Jerry.

  • Face facts
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:48 p.m.

    The CJ experiment has FAILED. After a pathetic 3-5 first 8 games with AK starting, Sloan starts Matthews and, with an 8-man rotation, Jazz go 11-4. Then CJ returns and plays significant minutes and Jazz go 2-2. Then CJ gets his starting job back and Jazz go 2-4 (and it was almost 1-5). Even tonight, the quarters CJ started we lost by 9; the quarters Matthews started we were almost even.

    Only Matthews and Price play like they want to win. Yes they make mistakes, but they are mistakes of effort, from trying too hard. And they play tough D. Okur, AK, and CJ don't even try. The literally stand there. Boozer is not the problem this year. It's those three. Trade them now, KOC, and get players who want to play!

  • jbra80
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:45 p.m.

    Todd: I've never said anything about overachieving, BP pointed out that the team has a lot of overachievers, but I don't recall anyone saying this team is overachieving. By the way, I think nearly every player in the league was all conference in college or H.S., but the NBA is the best of the best. We overachieved the year we made it to the western finals but this team doesn't have any tough minded vets like that team. Right now, the record is looking a little worse than expected, but not by much. We can either make some trades and maybe progress a little bit or we can ride out the season and lose in the first round, but either way we don't have a championship caliber team. The team is flawed, what do you expect from them? The only improvement I need to be satisfied with the team is consistent effort.

    Come on Todd, be patient. Don't you know anything, it's not like we have a healthy roster. Just keep the faith so Jerry stays and Greg doesn't move the team.

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:45 p.m.

    We are stuck, wholesale changes cannot be made now for the rest of the season. I have stated the Jazz could have made 1 or 2 in season moves and been at least a #2 seed in the West. I had a feeling Affalo would be the "new nobody to help beat us" 3 3s does anybody scout? Affalo could hit 3s at UCLA he can shoot.

    Martin, Nene and Lawson mostly had clear sailing and open acres of space like soccer to drive all night past the statutes of Boozie and Okurrie.


    CJ pouting and crying like he needed Linus and a blanket to suck his thumb.

    Guess What?

    Now Memphis only trails us by 1 game in the Loss Column., There is another team about to overtake us if not now, next year.



    Keep supporting Sloan. Look more uneducated if possible, instead of ripping on me for telling the truth-tell Greg...

  • Nerd from Santa Clara
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:42 p.m.

    Even I know this team is through. One who has never played serious basketball but continues to watch the Jazzs fold. I can see it with both 83 year old eyes. they are done, through, and everyone knows Jerry is just sticking around until Greg grows up and can take over. By the way, why did we buy into the big guys who just sit on the pine.????? Oh well, someone has to be in the basement.

  • Chuck Nunn
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:27 p.m.

    Points in the paint: 58-46 in favor of the Nuggets. Who could have forseen that? Who might have warned that this would be decided in the frontcourt? Oh wait, that was me. 15 seconds of Fesenko? That's really pulling out all the stops. And the Nuggets were down their two best players. Why won't Jerry try something different? Especially when it's already been proven to work? Fesenko needed to play, I mean really play. Thought it was going to happen in the fourth quarter, but instead, another loss with the Nuggets getting the edge in the paint and then the teams trading buckets down the stretch. We have the players we need, folks, but they're not being used properly.

    Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!

  • Joe Harmons
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:26 p.m.

    Well we saw a whole 2 seconds of Fes. Nice statement to the fans Jerry. We saw and have been seeing more of Boozer and Okur than we ever want to see again. Jerry's post game comments will go down with him in Jazz history.

  • db
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:25 p.m.

    Overpaid (professionals)? Draw a check and talk about what you should have done game after game.

    Denver spotted us 47 points to start, with two leading scorers out, and then get 64 in the paint!
    Fes got 15 seconds!!! to protect the rim.

    Defensive effort is unworthy of luxury-tax level salaries.

  • jazzman72
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:24 p.m.

    Miles, CJ started the game pretty well, but then he started jacking up stupid shots and turning the ball over. I would love to see him become a great player, but he never proves himself when given the chance. I won't be surprised when he's out of the nba in two years or less. The Jazz have had their fair share of one dimensional players like him who amounted to nothing. Remember Almond and Quincy Lewis? I see CJ suffering a similar fate. Maybe CJ could play in the D-league. That's where Almond is now.

  • CL
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:23 p.m.

    For CJ's sake I hope they trade him, Sloan is terrible with young players. He doesn't know how to build confidence, he only knows how to destroy it. Fes and KK will never develope under Sloan's tutilage. Give Sloan his dues, he is a hall of fame caoch but things have changed, the game has changed and Sloan still wants to play the same old game. We need a coach that likes the 3 pt shot and utilizes his players better. Sloan is being out coached more often than not lately. Sloan either needs to play the young bigs we have and develope them or the Jazz need to make some major trades and break thngs up. The way things are going the Jazz will be a 500 team and in the lottery themselves. The way the Knicks are playing they may make the playoffs and we won't even get a lottery pick. I'm not sure the Jazz have their own pick this yr, I think they traded it to Philly to get Korver. Not sure though.
    The Jazz need someone who can create besides DWill.

  • This is
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:23 p.m.

    A joke! A total lack of focus and effort. A truly shameful performance. Something has to change. This year is going south quickly. D-Will, love you to death, but you cannot handle qucik PG's. Sick or not tonight, Lawson embarrased you! Okur and Boozer looked (usually do, but tonight was horrible) like they could care less about playing defense. No continuity with inserting CJ in the lineup. Time to hang em' up Jerry. You're getting out coached almost every game. I through with this mess!

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:17 p.m.

    Prediction: The Jazz will beat Charlotte and all will be all right again and all the "sloanaholics" will come out and say "Be patient" That "we know nothing" It is "not a healthy Jazz roster" "Keep the Faith or Greg will move the team" or if "jerry leaves, civilization as we know it changes"

  • todd to ed
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:13 p.m.

    Not quite the same Ed. Before, I said hoped he would leave alone "in the off season" not "during the season".

    It is fine. I could care less it is the state's problem not mine. I saw this coming a long time ago, you can all keep defending him. All of the "sloanaholics" look sillier and sillier by the day and night. It will never "be his fault" You cannot fire 12 players.

    If you all want to keep supporting being booed off the court (heard loudly on TV) people walking out on this team early in the 4th quarter I saw people leaving, it is ALL OF YOUR PROBLEMS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT TELL GREG YOUR FEELINGS. You all complain on here.

    I guarantee if AVery, Lucas, and others were here you would never see the efforts Boozer and Okur display defensively... It would not be allowed.

    JBRA and BP come up with stupid comments on how Sloan has "overacheived" with this roster.

    Most of the players on the Jazz in College were either a 1st or 2nd team conference, or All AMerican or Honorable Mention.


    Koustos was all freshman team
    Millsap rebound champ etc

    What garbage

  • Barakoboi
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:13 p.m.

    Just plain pathetic, piss poor defense!!! With the exception of Matthews nobody else in the Jazz teams either are interested or wants to play defense. The Nuggz just showed them how defense is played from start to finish! The Jazz despite with all their core players intact and playing at home was outplayed, outhustled by the Nuggets with two of their best players (Anthony and Billups) unavailable due to injury. Wow adding insult to the beatdown....D-Will was outplayed by the Nuggz rookie PG (Ty Lawson)!!! It is safe to say the Jazz are a below average team and their current core of overpaid players can’t get it done. With the way the Jazz are playing I doubt if this team will make it to the playoffs. The Jazz needs a revamp/make change big time in the near future or it will continue to bleed and lose a lot of fans in the process. You know what that means….nobody will buy tickets and it will keep losing money. In the end the team will be sold and move out of Utah!!! Let the negative votes rip!!!!

  • cowboy joe
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:13 p.m.

    Now no offense to go with no defense. This is going to get ugly. Just wait and see. We need john wall instead of dwill.

  • Don Meridith
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:12 p.m.

    Good Night, The Party's oohh, oohh, oohh,ooooooohver.

    How do you like the coaching extension now?

  • fossil
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:11 p.m.

    neat, maybe we can stay out of the playoffs and trade ny draft pick and ours and get the number 10 pick next june. be glad guys we have a major team here in little ole salt lake.

  • time for
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:09 p.m.

    some trades. Get rid of effortless players like okur. Overpaid players like boozer. get some players with heart.

  • sparks24
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:09 p.m.

    It is time for the front office to do something this is awful. This team needs a center bad!!!! Trade for something

  • jazzman72
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:06 p.m.

    Sad to say I spent some of my hard earned money to watch such a pathetic display. I am tired of watching every team waltz past Loozer and Memo for layups. Get a backbone Jerry! Bench those lazy prima donnas and give Fes and Koufos some playing time. At least Price tried to stop. Nene, and he's only 6' 2"! Loozer won't be gone soon enough! Make it happen Kevin!

  • Gabe
    Jan. 2, 2010 10:05 p.m.

    What does KOC have to loose if he trades almost everyone but Milsap and DWill? Seriously, this combination does not work at all. And Okur is worthless ...

  • Sloan...
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:58 p.m.

    please play Fes and Koufas. They may be young, but they need to be developed.

    Jazz interior= worst hands in the NBA

  • Nevada fan
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:58 p.m.

    This team makes me tired!!!! I am done. Sloan, Sloan, Sloan!

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:56 p.m.

    I'm usually the guy who says home fans should never do it, but if I was there, I would've booed the Jazz silly. Horrible performance and effort. Jerry Sloan got 100% outcoached tonight. The Jazz badly needed outside shooting. So what does he do? Leaves in Ronnie Brewer instead of an available Kyle Korver or CJ Miles. Poor decision making by Jerry.
    This team needs a major roster move. This quote/unquote core is not built to go all the way. Kevin O'Conner, this is a paying Jazz fan, and I'm telling you: Do your job and make this team better. The Millers have willingly spent money. It's now your turn to make it be put to good use insetead of this defenseless garbage I see out there. Deron is the only untouchable. Trade anyone else if it makes us better. You're losing the patience of the fans.

  • Parkcat
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:55 p.m.

    Jazz fans have lost faith in this team and they are voting with their wallets. I understand that ticket revenues are off 17% over last year. It is bound to get worse with this type of effort.

    Jerry talks about being tough but what does he do about it when there is no follow through?

    Utah will support effort even if the record is not there. This is the first time that the record and th effort of the Jazz have been this low since the early Jazz years.

    This will be the test of Greg Miller because Larry would have demanded better and he usually got it!

  • B.R.
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:55 p.m.

    With Fes's 2 seconds tonight, Jerry sent a message to the fans.

  • Miles
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    Again CJ plays less than 20 minutes and Jazz lose.

    He starts the first 7 minutes of the game 3 - 5 with 2 rebounds and Jerry pulls him. Please Please fire Jerry. If Jerry cant see our offense is suffering right now and he needs CJ in the lineup. Fire him.

  • Ed
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:50 p.m.

    Todd: You have calling for his resignation since the dawn of time. Why is tonight any different?

  • cowboy joe
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:49 p.m.

    Right now the knicks are in the playoffs and the jazz aren't. We need john wall. Anyone still thinks dwill is better than cp3 not a chance. Fire retire slown

  • Hugh G. Hater
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:49 p.m.

    A coach who says it isn't his job to motivate.

    Overpaid players who don't produce.

    Perpetual injuries.

    No team leader.

    They are on the fast track to "gutter team status".

  • no D
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:49 p.m.

    Could Okur play less defense? Put Fes in. It can't make things any worse at this point

  • This Is Terrible
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:48 p.m.

    Disgusting

  • Gabe
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:47 p.m.

    I think this should be enough for the Millers to give up hope and seriously consider trades. I am so tired of this Jazz team.

  • Bart
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:46 p.m.

    Good job Nuggets. Way to go. And our Jazz, losing at home with the top two Denver scorers out, well, what is left to say?

  • T-ravis
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:33 p.m.

    Dear Jazz, You are making it very hard for me to watch you. Please get some defense!!!

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 2, 2010 9:31 p.m.

    Tonight I call for the RESIGNATION of Utah Jazz basketball Coach Jerry Sloan

  • Weary
    Jan. 2, 2010 8:41 p.m.

    It is the 3rd Q. I a weary of watching this farce. Nene has totally negated the so called Sloan inside offense. There is no Sloan system.

    Lawson and JR have destroyed what little defense Utah has.

    Bottom line is that the players are not playing. They are playing at the wrong pace and the wrong spacing. There is NO offense. There is some ad hoc gaming by a few players.

    If Sloan has control of this team he certainly is not showing. They are not implementing the offense.

    Since they aren't then Sloan should put people in who will implement it.

    OR Sloan's system can't be implemented against a depleted DEN team.

    What a waste of time.

    This pathetic game is on the players for not playing and not controling the pace.

    It is also on Sloan for not controlling the play of the players. He seems incapable of getting his offense implemented.

  • Chuck Nunn
    Jan. 2, 2010 7:10 p.m.

    Glad D-Will feels good enough to go. Still hope we try to contend in the paint with a 12-20 minute treatment of Vitamin Fess!

    Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!