I lived in Pittsburgh for a while. You couldn’t even buy beer in stores
there. They also had very low death by automobile rates, like Utah. Maybe
life is more important than tourist dollars to them. One big difference is that
they don't have a lot of Mormons to blame, or hate, for it.
There are a great many counties in Texas and neighboring states that are dry,
that is to say there is no legal sale of liquor. Stop acting as if this
is a unique issue to Utah. Prohibition was a national thing, not just Utah. There is no right to drink alcohol. If the government of Utah decided to
they could outlaw all sales of liquor to anyone anywhere. It would be totally
within their right. In fact they could even ban any use of alcohol by anyone,
and if the Supreme Court has even a modicum of consistency such a rule would be
upheld. Consuming alchohol is not a freedom guaranteed by anything. So
stop acting as if it is some sort of constitutional right.
What we need is a street full of bars our families can take US to. Now that
they're old enough, they can buy for a change.
One more reason to avoid SLC. As if I needed another one!
just what we all need. A street full of bars to take our families to.
There should be a limit on the number of church per square mile.Perhaps
they should also make it illegal to build a church within 200 feet of a bar...
or next to residence of anyone who is an atheist.
This is yet another one of these quirky liquor laws in Utah with strings
attached. Who's kidding who? You need to read the fine print, folks. Just because the Salt Lake City Council agrees to do away with the 2 bar per
block restriction, doesn't necessarily mean that we'll see more bars
downtown.Well, DUH!! You need to have the blessing from the evil
DABC before any new bar or nightclub can open downtown. If and when
we see any more of these establishments opehing for business downtown remains to
be seen. I don't see it happening anytime soon.
and I didn't think I'd see this day come. I'm not sure if this is an indication
of a declining influence of the (LDS) church within the city. But speaking as an
outsider, a non-Mormon from California, I had always looked up to Salt Lake
City. Just something special about the downtown and the Temple, and yes, the
rarity of bars and drunks. As usual, money wins out ... makes me a bit sad.
You guys act like the world is going to end. Look out! The drunks are coming!
Hide my family! Calm down, for pete's sake.
Yeah, a great DRUNK city. I lived in New York City for 10 years and truly don't
remember a bar in every other building. So much for SLC being a family town.
Now we'll have to fight the drunks.
What a step in the right direction. Let the free market decide what is needed.
The more an more we can push the moral police out of town the better. I'm
looking at you Mormons. Stay out of my business!
This will result just as it has in the past, and urban renewal will become the
cry in areas where the bars get located. Welcome back Whiskey Street!Too many of those calling for more bars are unfamiliar with Utah history. This
is a great example of how history repeats itself.
Good. Downtown SLC is like a ghost town now. Its sad to go downtown and see
nothing going on. Hopefully this will add som color to an otherwise bleak
Anyone who says Salt Lake City has enough bars has obviously never been in one.
They are all overcrowded during peak times. Let the market decide and stop
trying to legislate your view of morality.
Do you see Mormons from California streaming into Utah because of California's
more open access to alcohol? All those Mormons in Las Vegas never complain
ether. Why is this only a problem in Utah?
I think this is so sad, as the child of alcoholics, I know firsthand the
problems with easy access to alcohol. I think we will live to regret this
decision. I know that not everyone who drinks is an alcohol but why do people
need alcohol in the first place, doesn't life give you a big enough buzz?
Those of you who think that more bars = more people drinking ought to look at
your own example. You choose not to drink, so you already ignore the bars that
exist. By your logic, you will no longer be able to resist.Not
everyone who has a drink is a drunk, or immoral, or obnoxious, or urinates on
the street.Why not just go to the existing bars? More choices.
Same reasons you like to try out a new restaurant rather than going to the same
Now when a person is over the limit, he can just go next door and start over.
More Trax train accidents, more fights, more crime... not a good step forward
for SLC. My downtown friends are talking about legalizing marijuana and
prostitution also... it is just a matter of time that SLC will look like all the
rest of the cities of the world.
What would the old Leaders think about the new changing rules with the times and
seasons. SLC has always been a pretty safe place to go to not be bothered by
drunks. What's the difference between second hand smoke and someone trying to
eat with some drunk near your table. Both pretty bad. Responsible
drinker...contridiction in terms.
It's too bad we need more bars to have a better night life. Why couldn't we just
have more cultural events? I've always supported the opera and symphony. What I
don't need is the hassle of intoxicated bar patrons roaming the streets as I
come and go. Bad move Salt Lake City!!!
This is a terrible mistake.If you have ever walked around other
large cities, you know that bars and taverns have a nauseating oder to them. Not
only that, but intoxicated people are much more prevalent near them.Salt Lake City has always resisted such places, and for very good reason. Now,
despite the new City Creek Center, and all promise that it holds for
rejuvenating downtown, it's just going to continue to be just like any other
This is a sad day for SLC. Since when did we ever want to be more like other
cities? SLC has always been unique and beautiful.. more bars=more problems,
more drunks, more crime.
This is one step in the right direction, too bad they have no more liquor
licenses left. What a joke. One step forwards two steps back, that should be the
new motto of Utah. We all know mormons don't go downtown to socialize anyway,
except for general conference. I don't understand why the posters before me are
so uptight, they probably only go downtown like twice a year.
Why use some nutty arbitrary number? In a capitalist system you would let the
hidden hand of the free market decide. Is what Utah's conservatives
are saying is they believe the free markets fails? If our free markets fail in
allocating bars what else is effected by this failed system?
By the way, the British Crown most probably considered the Declaration of
Independence "abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, [and] more than
200 words" (it has 1334 words, without the signatories). Fortunatley, the
Declaration of Independence did not contain any URLs.
Modern day Salt Lake City - the founders would wash their hands of parts of it,
including a recent mayor, perhaps two. Well, the Sun gay bar was torn down a few
years ago, across from the Union Pacific Depot, and that was a good start.
We don't need any bars downtown!! I travel to SLC just because it is supposed to
dry!! NO BARS!!!!
This is good. More restraunts will start downtown as well. More retail is not
going to improve downtown nightlife.
All hail the lord of Free Market.
For many years, business brought me to SLC from out of state. While I was not a
member of the LDS church, it was a breath of fresh air to come here as opposed
to other metropolitan cities. There were fewer bars and clearly a more uplifting
environment. I am sad and disappointed to see the desire of SLC to become like
other cities. If people want a bar let them go to the ones that already exist.
Where is butters he needed to vote on this issue.Did he not get the letter
....telling him which way he should vote.
Revitalizing downtown?? No way---more bars are NOT the answer. Why can't
people who enjoy a drink now and then (or more) just go to the bars that are
already downtown? There's certainly enough of them already!! Yes, bars may not
serve patrons who are already over their limit, but do we want more of people
who are already over there limit downtown---or anywhere, for that matter?
I applaud the decision but not the people who lifted the laws. Utah talks about
being a "moral" community, but like with everyone else, they will compromise
their values for money.
thanks to the city council. Now SLC will look more like Potterville than
that Salt Lake City proper has moved from a society who's majority would shun
this sort of "freedom", to one which welcomes it with open arms. There is no
denying it, it is what it is. The only irony is how at the center of what is
becoming like any other major city center in America is LDS Church headquarters.
The contrast will become starker and more pronounced over time - what is Church
owned and operated versus the rest of downtown. Maybe someday a large wall will
To "Anonymous" at 946pm:Nice job at contradicting yourself there.
You go on a rant about how more bars encourages people to become drunks, and
then state how if a person wnts booze bad enough they'll find it in cough
medicine.Your second statement is far truer than your first. A true
alcoholic will go for whatever he/she can find. Capping, decreasing, or even
eliminating neighborhood bars would do nothing to reduce the number of
alcoholics out there. For that matter, its no secret that most true alcoholics
do most of their drinking at home.Most bars will not serve patrons
who are already clearly past thier limit, thanks to dram-shop liability concerns
and the strongarm entrapment tactics of the DABC's enforcement arm. As such,
your worries about encouraging alcoholism through this move are nothing more
than unfounded paranoia.Liberalizing this particular restriction
will make life a little easier for responsible drinkers. Real alkies will still
go to the liquor store then home.
'insane restrictions on folks freedom to drink? It is my own
personal choice not to drink. Not my religion. I see the putting more bars out
there as an invitation to become an alcoholic. A person who can't wait to Friday
and/or Saturday night so they can party hardy is an alcoholic. If a
person wants alcohol bad enough they will find it- in cold medicine for
well, it was kinda nuts that this was ever a restriction in the first place.
Thank god SLC is making another step in liberalizing the crazy Insane
restrictions on folks freedom to drink.