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  • LES tough?
    Dec. 5, 2009 4:07 p.m.

    How is LES a tough place to play? You got spanked twice this season there and you barely beat Utah there which everyone knows was in rebuilding mode this season. Don't claim stupid things!

  • bluegrouse
    Dec. 4, 2009 6:39 p.m.

    We've been reminded of everything we've ever known about BYU this week - classless in victory, crybabies in defeat! Some things never change.

  • Bluegrouse
    Dec. 4, 2009 6:34 p.m.

    Instate basketball showcase - One good reason? It's COLLEGE basketball! COLLEGE basketball should be played at the COLLEGES in front of their students and fans, not in a commercialized, media showcase disconnected from the universities. When I showed up at the USU/BYU game at 6 the other night, the entire student section was completely packed and there were still another 2000 kids out on the hyper field waiting to get in. That's what college athletics is all about. Who in their right mind wants to change something like that? A media fest in a sterile NBA arena 100 miles from campus? No thanks!

  • Reddesert
    Dec. 4, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    I agree with the assesment of Tavernari. He seems to fire up shots that NO ONE should ever take! It messes up the flow and just looks like he feels he has to shoot sometimes. The rest of the guys seem to take good shots and when Tavernari takes "good" shots, he usually drains them. It's when he gets carried away that he tries to force the most ridiculous shots up I've ever seen. I know Coach Rose doesn't want to put the reins on him for fear it will do more harm than good, but someone needs to get in his face and correct his shot selection. He in no way needs to feel like he has to carry the team, 'cause he can't!

  • In State Basketball Showcase
    Dec. 4, 2009 5:07 p.m.

    What there really needs to be is a right before Christmas two day in-state basketball showcase at the Delta Center. Bring in USU, UVU, SUU, BYU, Utah, and Weber and draw out who plays who. FIgure out a way that everyone plays both nights, Televise the game. There are many in this state that have their favorites but enjoy watching all the teams play. This would give the media and fans, along with the teams, to really have a great two days of Basketball in this state. Fans would get to know all the players and could follow them all year long.

    Someone give me a real good reason why this is not a good idea? The only thing keeping it from happening are EGO's. How about it media. Why don't you sponsor it? Get the teams to play and make a great day of it,.

    I am not interested in scheduling issues. When it comes right down to it, there is no real excuse for not having it each year.

  • Gotta win despite home advantage
    Dec. 4, 2009 4:11 p.m.

    The Aggies deserved to win. They were the better team. But homecourt advantage clearly doesn't hurt.

    If the refs didn't miss but one call all game, that one call was definitely calling Miles for a foul when he was clearly shielded off the ball by an Aggie who had no intention to recover/rebound the ball.

    That was a key play!!! Aggie fans just shouldn't act like homecourt advantage doesn't mean that refs call a play here and there for the home team when they are unsure what to call. The same home-cooking goes on in the Marriot Center.



  • Worst Cougar showing this season
    Dec. 4, 2009 3:34 p.m.

    No, I don't think the refs were the difference.

    Maybe the Aggies took the Cougs out of their game. Maybe the Cougs took themselves out of their game. Maybe the refs took them out of the game.

    But the point is the Cougs were off their game. And they should not let that happen.

    The funny thing is the Aggies now think they can do no wrong. That was a rather close game on your home court for a Cougar team that couldn't score for 7 minutes. blah blah blah blah blah

    Okay, so you were better on this night, but with how poorly the Cougs played in the second half, it is obvious that the Cougs have a lot of room for improvement, while Aggies are likely to get complacent if they think they beat the Cougs at their best, like their fans seem to think. Hope both teams get better.

  • Aggies were better on one night
    Dec. 4, 2009 3:26 p.m.

    Awe, such a nice Aggie love fest. You only won by 10 points. Your 3's started falling and the Cougars 3's weren't. That's it!

    Great defense on both sides.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 4, 2009 12:22 p.m.

    And stay away...losers!!!

  • Mizzou Blue
    Dec. 4, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    I'm a die-hard Coug fan. But give credit where credit is due..USU was the better team at Logan. Cougs had a pretty good first half & the Aggies did an excellent job of making necessary adjustments after half-time to keep us off our game. Congrats to the Aggies.

    The reality is we have to learn to win on the road in a tough environment or we'll continue to hear the nay sayers. Just hope we can get this done!!!

  • BYU/Aggie Fan in Bear Lake
    Dec. 4, 2009 4:27 a.m.

    Yes it is possible. I went to school at BYU and moved to Aggie area. I have never seen a community so responsive to a quality program like Cache Valley is. I love their student section because it is basically the WHOLE building. I was at the BYU/Utah football game and my boys commented to me how amazed they were that a group of much fewer fans in Cache Valley can be so much lowder than the 60,000 plus fans at BYU. When things are down at BYU, the crowd get quiet and people sit there disgusted. Aggie fans Never get disgusted! They cheer the whole game and are always ready to help the team go in for the kill in the fourth quarter! LOVE IT! Go Aggies! Go Cougars as long as you are not playing my Aggies!

  • Great comment at 2:08 PM
    Dec. 4, 2009 12:28 a.m.

    Thanks for standing up to and correcting one of your own fans. Calling a man who beat cancer in the off season spineless is classless!

    Everyone needs to behave with more dignity and civility.

    The Cougs need to learn how to use their big men and play some D! Tavernari is no 4 man. Use Hartsock and Davies!

  • Ute Fan!!!
    Dec. 3, 2009 10:43 p.m.

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    BYU is only average at best. Sure we got beat by Weber, but we played a better game than the Cougars except for the last few minutes and lost!

    We have better Athleges and a much better coach!!!

    Just wait until be play you......you are going down!

    GO UTES!!!!!

  • Refs
    Dec. 3, 2009 10:33 p.m.

    If we are talking about refs I think the refs were calling ticky tack calls on both ends of the floor. I think they were making loads of make up calls on both ends after calling "touch" fouls all game.

  • @to 4:54
    Dec. 3, 2009 10:00 p.m.

    You've got to be great at parties. Do people stop talking to you after a while because you insist on being right?

    I watched the game, and neither team was fouling any more than the other. The refs called it evenly, and if BYU was soft, that has been their failing for the last few years. But hey, whatever helps you sleep better at night.

  • to 4:54
    Dec. 3, 2009 9:41 p.m.

    You assume the fouls committed were also even. If the refs called it about equal even though the fouls committed were lopsided, it kind of debunks your observation. I didn't look at the boxscore to tell me how the game was played.

    You see the Aggies were playing tough defense because they wouldn't get called for fouls and the Cougars started playing soft defense because they would get called for fouls, which kind of explains why it would even out on paper.

    Granted, the Aggies were taking better shots and hitting those shots better in the second half but only after the Cougs started playing soft, because the first half was exactly the opposite. As tough as the Aggie defense played, I can't give them all of the credit for taking the Cougs out of their game. Just can't! Maybe if the Aggies took it to the Cougs in the Marriot Center where the refs favor the Cougs. Just keeping it real! I know how it is.

    Hope the Cougs learned a valuable lesson: winning against a tough opponent on the road will mean beating the refs, too. That's just how it goes.

  • Shaybo
    Dec. 3, 2009 9:37 p.m.

    Coach Rose needs to reign in JT, he is out of control. The entire night was 1 pass, go one on one and put up a bad shot, it had little to do with USU's defense forcing them to do it. I love BYU but they are not going to beat the good teams until they start playing team ball. Yes USU fans it was a great win for you but don't start this "were the best team in the state" garbage until you beat some of the better teams on the road.

  • Seattleview
    Dec. 3, 2009 9:28 p.m.

    tough game for BYU and a big performance from USU.

    Anyone know why Davies didnt play? It might not have been the difference but he would have helped.

  • @Cougs blindsided
    Dec. 3, 2009 4:54 p.m.

    I looked at the boxscore, and the personal fouls looked almost equal. Considering that the Cougars were fouling a little more right at the end with their intense press (last 3 minutes or so), that seems to indicate that the refs were calling it pretty evenly.

  • Cougs blindsided out of game
    Dec. 3, 2009 4:24 p.m.

    Hats off to the Aggies. Their defense was tough. Their crowd was loud. Their refs were on their side.

    I don't necessarily think the Cougs win this on a neutral court, but the same homer job in the Marriott Center would likely have swung this one to the home team there, too.

    I'm just saying what I saw...

    I'm not sure what took the Cougs out of the game more, the Aggie defense or the whistle against the Cougs anytime it got down in the post on either end. That blatant call against Miles instead of the Aggie shielding him off of the ball was the last straw. The Cougs never recovered their composure and went on their longest scoring drought, while the Aggies got most of their points from then on, from the line. But had the refs been a little less partial, I guess the Aggies may have still pulled it off. We'll never know! The Cougs need to learn to win a dogfight despite the refs, that's all.

  • To Cougarf@n
    Dec. 3, 2009 4:07 p.m.

    Props to BYU on a good game based on good offense and great support for your team.

    That said, I never really know how to feel about the BYU game in Provo. I like the rivalry and want to see it continue, but there's very little for USU to gain by playing there and a lot to lose. The Marriott Center provides an abnormally significant home court advantage (apatheitc fans, the ditch by the side of the floor, crummy lighting, etc.) and teams always struggle to shoot even close to their averages there, which is why opposing teams hate playing there. USU is no exception. BYU is twice as good a team at home.

    If USU wins this game everyone says they "should" win and there's little real benefit (although BYU's RPI is usually pretty good). If USU loses then it's an ugly loss to a team that gets little national respect. I don't think we know which is the better team unless the game is in Logan and Provo every year or on a neutral court.

    Congrats to the Cougs for trying hard.

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    See how stupid your post sounded with roles reversed?

  • @Afraid to play
    Dec. 3, 2009 3:56 p.m.

    I agree with you that the argument is worn-out, and was never that good to begin with, but there is more to it than you accept.

    BYU wanted out of a football game scheduled with USU (clearly not because they were afraid - they just wanted to play someone else). In order to get out of the scheduled football game at USU, BYU agreed to give USU an extra home game, so instead of Logan, Provo, Logan during a three year period, it was three straight years in Logan, and then a year in Provo to end the contract. Counting up, that's one extra game, and it was done at the request of the Y. Rose demanded that they start the next series at Provo, but it was Logan's turn, so Stew said no. The compromise was to start at a neutral site, rather than in Logan, although it is debatable whether anything in Salt Lake or Provo could ever be a "neutral" site.

    In the end, Rose wanted compensation for the extra game in Logan, but Logan had already paid for the extra game by giving up a football game. Rose demanded too much, and Stew declined.

  • Re:Afraid to Play
    Dec. 3, 2009 3:47 p.m.

    The reason that BYU has played more in Logan is because they backed out of the football contract and agreed to play in Logan the year that the game would have only been in Provo. It's BYU's own fault, so stop using that claim, it's not legitimate

  • Afraid to play
    Dec. 3, 2009 3:07 p.m.

    Funny how Aggies fans want to taint this win by bringing up the "coward" argument and "afraid to play" argument. So juvenile and distracting from the team. Stew's stance was no different than Rose's, if it was, then why wouldn't the Aggies play last year's game in Provo? Just look at the past 10 years, BYU has played more in Logan than USU has played in Provo. Let's end that poor-sport cry now. It's not a legitimate claim, and distracts from the the game on the court.

  • What in tucket?
    Dec. 3, 2009 2:35 p.m.

    A disappointing loss. Looks like USU has a very good team this year. Maybe better than BYU maybe not. JT will not go pro if he does not become more consistent. Utah also seems to be a pretty good team. A loss to Weber at their place is not an embarrassment. They are good.

  • Fundamentals Baby/Coach
    Dec. 3, 2009 2:22 p.m.

    Rebounding and defense wins games, always. Inside out game is always the best, if you know anything about hoops its fundamentals every time. And the Aggies are always fundamentally sound.

  • Aggie Fan
    Dec. 3, 2009 2:19 p.m.

    All this talk about "if they would have played on a neutral court the cougars would have won" is garbage. The only time you should have to play on a neutral court is in a tournament, for example, the Big Dance. Not because one of the coaches is afraid to play in the other teams arena.

  • Re: We're better in every way
    Dec. 3, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    Comments like your's are an embarassment to us true Aggie fans. You criticize Max Hall, and then stoop as low as to call Rose "spineless." And then think you're any different than Hall? You're a true classless fan, and we don't need you at USU.

  • We're better in every way
    Dec. 3, 2009 1:17 p.m.

    Out coached (mr. rose, looks like you can get a coaching gig in salt lake or SUU soon...), out played (we just have one senior! our interior play and our D was fantastic), out cheered (even though the bumbling bufoon "#00" behind your bench tried to help the cougar cause with his little buddies, they just looked more and more ridiculous as the game went on). You poor little guys. And I may as well point out in this holiday season that I'm just so happy to not have to live in utah county.
    My hope now is that the coward mr. rose doesn't cut the series off again after we beat y'all down there next year. dave rose is spineless, so who knows what'll happen. If he takes a page out of max hall's book he'll probably just say not nice things and cry in his cougar pillow. "oh tom holmoe! the aggie students were so mean to me!!! do i really have to go back?!" bring it, son!

  • Note to Rose
    Dec. 3, 2009 1:12 p.m.

    It's difficult for players to get into a rhythm when you give them 2 or 3 minutes to get something going and they get the ball once. Maybe that's why there was no spark off the bench. JT can stay in 25 something minutes and shoot horrible shots and you don't bat an eye. Chris was okay, he scored 11 pts in 22 min. Davies did that in 10 min. last game and then never got the chance to go back in. It's just disappointing to watch the guards take shot after shot with no attempt at an inside game.

  • Y fan
    Dec. 3, 2009 1:06 p.m.

    BYU and UTAH students could learn a few things from USU students. Great atmosphere last night. Yes; there were a few people who have not figured it out yet and kind of went over the top. USU executed their game plan - BYU did not. USU ran their offense - BYU did not. too much one on one - to many 30 foot jumpers. any team with a decent 4man goes right at JT. Bendall had a great night and JT did not have 1 foul. others tried to help him but USU did a great job of finding the open man. We talk about playing as a team; well last night 5 individuals were beaten by a team. BYU can have a GREAT YEAR if they can get things figured out.

  • Re: Cougarf@n
    Dec. 3, 2009 12:53 p.m.

    I agree with one thing you said. BYU and Utah State should play in Logan and Provo every year. Weber and Utah State have done it for a while, BYU should do it too. It would strengthen both of our schedules.

  • Liked
    Dec. 3, 2009 12:51 p.m.

    I am sure all of Cougar Nation is very concerned about USU fans and Utah fans not liking them. I would guess that this is already assumed and I for one will not loose any sleep over it. I am sure Utah fans and USU fans are considered the best in the Nation though!!!!

  • Since the
    Dec. 3, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    utes mens b-ball team has fallen so far off the national basketball map over the last few years (last year being an anomaly), that it is nice that the Y has one instate rival who makes in state games interesting.

  • Congrats USU but
    Dec. 3, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    as a cougar fan I have to say that was ridiculously awful. There are some games that I believe teams should be required to pay back the price of the ticket to every fan. I think someone should file a suit that BYU has to payback every fan that paid to watch that performance. It was worse than poor. I wish I could just have five minutes of their time today to ask them what were they thinking? Where were their heads? Did they think they could just go into Logan and have a W handed to them. IF that's their best when it gets tough, they have no chance of taking the program to the next level. Beat up on the little boys and pat yourself on the back cause that will be the pinnacle of your season. BYU you were pathetic last night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • re: Rejects?
    Dec. 3, 2009 12:31 p.m.

    Ute and Coogie rejects huh? I don't think there is one player on the AGGIES that could have or would have gone to either school. I bet if you asked Miles if he made a mistake not coming to USU he would say yes in a heartbeat if he is honest. Davies is going to waste his time as well and all that talent gone down the tube in coogarville. IF any big man in this state wants to be the best they can be, then they should play for STEW if offered because he is far and away the best coach in the state. GO AGGIES, GO UTES, GO WILDCATS AND GO EVERY SINGLE TEAM THAT PLAYS ybu IN EVERY SPORT!

  • Re:cougarf@n
    Dec. 3, 2009 12:15 p.m.

    Myth#1-any one at USU is there because they didn't get into or recruited by byu.
    Truth#1- aggie players and students are at USU because they want be. Aggie guard Jared Quayle said after the game that his jc coach tried telling him to go to byu but he flat out said no, he wanted to be an Aggie.

    Myth#2-USU is byu's little brother and
    truth#2- why byu and their fans think that they are better than everyone else and feel entitled to anything beats me, since the 2000-01 season byu has a 192-94 record. USU has a record of 224-72. The series is tied at 4-4, with USU winning three at home and one on the road, byu won two at home, one on the road and one at a neutral site.

  • Proof
    Dec. 3, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    spanked? Rejects? BYU has nothing to gain by playing us in Logan? This is why BYU fans are disliked you come off as complete arrogant fools.

    Not sure why we are even talking about if this game was played somewhere else different story?

  • CC
    Dec. 3, 2009 11:47 a.m.

    Yep, saying BYU is a better team after last nights performance was about as smart as Tavernari declaring himself for the NBA draft. I'm sure all those NBA scouts were impressed last night.

  • Stu...
    Dec. 3, 2009 11:45 a.m.

    does a great job up ther in Logan. Now keep on winning all year long!

    YBOY

  • Memo to Dave Rose
    Dec. 3, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    Get control of Tavernari beofre he costs us more games! No, he isn't going to shoot himself out of his shooting slump. It is what it is! All the misses he tosses up get us out of rhythm and disrupt the flow of our offense. We lost that game more than the aggies won it. That was a shame.

  • Note to Cougarf@n
    Dec. 3, 2009 11:19 a.m.

    Are you high? Not a good team? Nothing to win by playing USU in Logan? Your attitude and comment could be used as the Wikipedia definition for "Why everyone dislikes BYU."

    USU basketball is just as recognized nationally as BYU's, if not more so. Prove me wrong. The fact that these two teams are almost dead even, with a slight nod going to USU, over the past 10 years gives you no reason to be so self absorbed and important. BYU's schedule is ranked 317th in college basketball. How important can you be?

    Nice cut on the Spectrum. Have you ever even been there before? Poor lighting? Either you are high or your mouth is stuffed with sour grapes. Don't choke on them.

  • Rejects
    Dec. 3, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    Not a bad game for a bunch of ute and cougar rejects. I guess the home court in logan does make a big difference and usu got spanked in SLC.

  • Too much dribbling
    Dec. 3, 2009 10:31 a.m.

    Not enough quick ball movement on offense. That is BYU's problem. They were so insistent in trying to take advantage of mismatches, until they realized Utah State could handle the mismatches and then it was too late. It's all a quality of shot issue. Utah State got better looks, and that's why they won.

  • Re: Cam
    Dec. 3, 2009 10:17 a.m.

    I love the logic that Cougar fans have. I have started applying this to the Utes loss this past week in Provo. Based on other cougar logic, home field/court was the difference, I love it. Utah plays BYU on a neutral field and Utes win 7 out of 10, play them all at RES and the Utes win 9 of 10. Utah started the game out strong taking a 6 point lead, couldn't maintain it, rushed a few plays, missed a few plays, missed a few tackles and forunately was able to at least force overtime. Utah is better than there little brother in Provo, just didn't prove it saturday. I sure feel better about my team. It is easy now to see why we should be playing the Florida/Alabama winner in January.

  • Trout
    Dec. 3, 2009 10:01 a.m.

    I was at the game and felt like the difference of the game wasn't the crowd (although its a great place to watch a college game) or the bad lighting (which I think that guy was smoking dope or has only watched games on CW because the lighting is excellent - giant jumbotron etc.) but it was coaching. BYU has a lot of talent, USU has a lot of talent. It looked to me like a couple of BYU's players were a bit more skilled however, but the game plan of the Aggies was efficient, tough D, and effective (as per usual). BYU tried to run and when they weren't fast enough they shot long range 3s. Look at the assists, BYU didn't set anything up, didn't adjust at the half, and tried to rely on Jimmert to win. This team isn't Southern, you can't rely on talent alone against a good team. Not that Rose isn't a good coach, he just isn't a great one.

  • Cam
    Dec. 3, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    BYU is a better team than USU. Play this game on a neutral court and we win 7 out of 10. Play it at the Marriot Center and we win 9 times out of 10. This was the first true road test for this Cougs team, and we showed that we don't have the mental toughness. We dominated the first half, but didn't have enough to blow it wide open and let USU come back. Once you hit a few 3's in the second, we panicked, started taking rushed jumpers (Thanks Tavernari), and lost our composure. IT was over from there. Hopefully we'll learn that you can't panic on the road, and need to stick to your gameplan. I think we'll be ok. We are better than our little sister in Logan, too bad we didn't prove it last night.

  • Cougardude
    Dec. 3, 2009 9:27 a.m.

    Congrats Utah State. Great game and great coaching. I am frustrated at BYU's lack of inside play. The only thing that was working was going in to Miles and yet, they kept shooting from the outside. I thought Hartsock played well. BYU's insistence in playing small ball shooting the three works at home, but struggles on the road and in the NCAAs. Road wins and NCAA wins come when teams are big and physical, go inside, and dominate the boards. BYU has some good bigs in Miles, Davies, Hartsock and even Anderson. Why do we continue to play four guards and a center, especially on the road. Lets go big and start either Hartsock or Davies with Miles.

  • UNLV
    Dec. 3, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    It is very clear who is the best team in the MWC. Cougar fans can look to finish 4th in the conference behind the Rebels, San Diego State and New Mexico.

  • Both teams...
    Dec. 3, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    ...are class acts, in my mind. The game last night was a tough fought battle between two excellent teams. USU was the better team last night, with some pretty good defense, especially inside, where USU has always excelled (remember that, except for Jared Quayle and Jaycee Carroll, USU's definitive players have always been big men). If the game had been played in Provo, the Y would very likely have won (the Marriot Center is also a difficult place to play), and on a neutral site, who knows?

    Both teams have the talent to be ranked by the end of the season, and both teams have the talent to go at least one or two games into the Big Dance. Whether or not they have the mental discipline and heart to make that happen remains to be seen, but I can hope.

    Now that my Aggoies have beaten the Y, and lost to the U, I hope both teams pull it together and do fantastically the rest of the season. A loss to a ranked Ute team wouldn't look as bad, and a win over a ranked Y team would look fantastic, come Selection Sunday.

    Go Aggies!

  • Great Win
    Dec. 3, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    Great Win for the Aggies and the Spectrum is one of the best basketball arenas in the West. Good teams should take care of business at home though??? just saying, so far every team in the state has defended their home court! USU did loose to a bad Utah team on the road? We have three good teams in the state USU BYU and Weber State, but all three will all loose in the NCAA tournament because they cant win on the road againt a great team. UNLV is a great team this year!

  • OHIOBYUFan
    Dec. 3, 2009 8:35 a.m.

    I listened to the game on the Internet (KSL) and after eight minutes knew that USU was going to win. Everything being equal, that game could have been played on a neutral court and USU would have still won. BYU could buy a basket, nor could their defense keep USU off the boards. Hopefully, Tavenari will practice driving to the basket and making layups because he sure stunk at 3-pointers (and that is all he shot). I'm still routing for BYU but they had better pick themselves up and play better ball or ASU will kill them.

  • JSJOHN
    Dec. 3, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    GREAT WIN!! Beating the cougs felt great! Listening to Jimmer Fredette's post game comments made me realize he is a class act. I think he is a good player and I hope he has a great season. I am one of the crazy Aggie students who rode him the whole game; after the game Jimmer could have gone all max hall on us, but he was gracious in defeat. Jimmer may have lost the game but he gained a lot of respect.

  • Cougarf@n
    Dec. 3, 2009 8:10 a.m.

    Props to USU on a good win based on stingy defense and a great crowd supporting your team.

    That said, I never really know how to feel about the USU game in Logan. I like the rivalry and want to see it continue, but there's very little for BYU to gain by playing there and a lot to lose. The Spectrum provides an abnormally significant home court advantage (fans right on top of the players and crummy lighting, etc.) and teams always struggle to shoot even close to their averages there, which is why opposing teams hate playing there. BYU is no exception. USU is twice as good a team at home.

    If BYU wins this game everyone says they "should" win and there's little real benefit (although USU's RPI is usually pretty good). If BYU loses then it's an ugly loss to a team that gets little national respect. I don't think we know which is the better team unless the game is in Logan and Provo every year or on a neutral court.

    Congrats to the Aggies on a good win.

  • Memo to JT Haters
    Dec. 3, 2009 8:04 a.m.

    We cannot win the big games without him. His absence cost us the game yesterday and if he would have showed up (like last year), then we would have won. There is nobody that can replace him off the bench and score the 15 points per game that we need out of him. Let's get behind him and support him. If he doesn't get his touch back, we'll lose all the big ones and just beat up on the little guys all season. Go JT!

  • 36-3
    Dec. 3, 2009 7:59 a.m.

    Wake me up when the Aggies come to Boise and actually play to win. Yawn.......

  • First road game of the year and.
    Dec. 3, 2009 7:46 a.m.

    first loss. Sorry Dave, can't play them all at home.

    No wonder BYU tried so hard to change this series to a neutral-court affair.

  • Big Easy Speaks
    Dec. 3, 2009 7:36 a.m.

    re: Sierra Blue. Child, please. If USU had just squeaked out a one point win your point might have some validity. That was a thorough domination, though. The crowd can only do so much in a game. Anyone who knows anything about basketball could clearly see who the better team was and IS.

    Last night reminded me of 2004, when USU crushed BYU in Logan AND in Provo. I'd love to see a rematch in Happy Valley, I believe we win there too.

  • Gretkzy
    Dec. 3, 2009 7:36 a.m.

    this is why byu will be a once and done again in the NCAA tourney if they even get there. i am happy to see Haws the freshman starting but that says a lot when JT the senior should be benched. he is a clutch player "at times" otherwise he is reckless and that has not changed since playing this summer with the brazilian national team. the Cougs need more talent like Brandon Davies on the team. athleticism like you see at duke or north carolina is missing. that extra pop and jump in the step is not there. jimmer does a good job but is now trying to hard to do it on his own. Davies is being held back from what i can see. cut him loose. start working the ball into him and game plan for davies.

  • RE: Aaron W
    Dec. 3, 2009 7:33 a.m.

    How do you figure that the Aggies are an inferior team? The Aggies are a tough, well coached, blue collar type of team that just beat you. If you are losing to an inferior team then what does that make you? You are a little full of yourself. If your team quits when things get tough that sounds like a problem. Utah State took away what BYU wanted to do in the game. You had a season low in points and you got out rebounded by an "inferior team". I wonder what a "good team" would do to you then.

  • John Harvey
    Dec. 3, 2009 7:31 a.m.

    RE: Aaron W.

    Get a life Aaron, BYU didn't lay down to an "inferior team", IT GOT BEAT BY A *SUPERIOR* TEAM!

  • Re: Sierra Blue
    Dec. 3, 2009 6:53 a.m.

    Come on. Don't become like Utah fans and make rediculous statements. If my mind serves me correctly, LES is one of the toughest places in the country to play and win. Ridiculous statements like yours are part of the reason that any fans make statements at all. I haven't yet, but since you brought it up, seriously, since the Cougars beat the Utes saturday in Provo doesn't mean you have a better football team, it just means you have a huge home field advantage. Now since your statement is not ridiculous, neither is mine.

  • re: sierra blue
    Dec. 3, 2009 6:44 a.m.

    Did you really just tell us not to make ridiculous statements? Um, why don't you pull the beam out of your quarterback's eye, then you can start talking.

  • TED
    Dec. 3, 2009 6:40 a.m.

    I've noticed a huge difference in the comments on this board. Most are respectful. And isn't this an instate rivalry?

    Stew morrill is an excellent coach.

    GO BYU!!

  • ATL_Aggie
    Dec. 3, 2009 6:39 a.m.

    Hail the Utah Aggies!

  • Re:Sandy Claws
    Dec. 3, 2009 6:36 a.m.

    USU=best team in state?
    Didn't USU lose to Utah earlier?

  • Eugene
    Dec. 3, 2009 6:14 a.m.

    Give the win to the crowd. They were boisterous, rude (did you hear what they were screaming in unison?), loud and abrasive. Do they practice this? The weight-challenged bare-chested guy under the basket was enough to distract every player with a continued double-take!

    CW30 has a long ways to go to provide a quality TV sports presentation. Visual quality looked like a kid with a cheap video camera making a backyard movie. Professional it was not!

    I'm a Cougar fan and was literally scared to see the Y play in Logan. USU took the Cougars completely out of their game plan and the Cougars panicked. Can't JT drive for the hole? His game is now predictable since all he wants is a distant fade away jump shot. Sit him until he brings back his game.

    A team that lives by the jump shot will sometimes lose by it. Fredette is awesome, but his drives should have created some assists to his teammates since his shots weren't going down.

    Difficult game for the Cougars to swallow. Kudos to the Aggies!

  • David Decker
    Dec. 3, 2009 4:31 a.m.

    Watched my first BYU game(no mtn)and was dumbfounded. Coach Rose, who I respect greatly, either made no effort to inside; or his players defied him? We can't be hot on 3s every game. USU did play great defense. But, I don't buy this "home" court 6th man stuff. As a "one armed" pitcher at a CA Jr. College, I pitched mt best game (6 innings no hitter) at a hostile CC in Coalinga, CA where they had no entertainment except sports. Go Aggies in WAC; GO COUGARS in MWC and in the NCAA.

  • Aaron W.
    Dec. 3, 2009 3:35 a.m.

    I'm disappointed in BYU for laying down to an inferior team. This has always bugged me about BYU, whenever a team gets tough they always lay down and give up. It's frustrating to watch.

  • Aggie
    Dec. 3, 2009 3:35 a.m.

    As always, the cougar coaches and players have good things to say about their opponents. I saw several instances of good sportsmanship on the part of BYU throughout the game. They are coached well and are just a great all-around team. Their post-game comments to the media were very congratulatory and spoke of their characters quite well. At least with this rivalry (yes, it is a rivalry, we've played for the past 100 years) we don't have the ugly situations as with BYU-Utah. Come back any time Cougars and we'll see you down there for another great game next year.

  • Bishop Sidwell
    Dec. 3, 2009 1:48 a.m.

    What a fine showing for the Aggies. Especially on the night before Coach Chris Jones 48th birthday. What a special treat for him, to beat BYU.

    Class team, class fans, class coaches.
    Happy B-day Joneseeee!!!

  • Re: Sierra Blue
    Dec. 3, 2009 12:02 a.m.

    USU, along with almost any other basketball team, has a home court advantage. Although USU's advantage is probably better than any other in the state, that doesn't necessarily mean that the game was won solely by home court advantage. Teams can become better or worse as new players arrive, old players graduate, and current players advance their skills. Had this game been played in SLC, USU could have very well won there as well, but that is all silly speculation. Fact: USU has a W on their schedule/results sheet and BYU has their first L. That is part of basketball and many in-state rivalries in college basketball. Play a team at home, then play that team at their home. Good luck with the rest of the year Cougar fans, I'm sure you'll do great. Go Aggies.

  • Jordan
    Dec. 2, 2009 11:51 p.m.

    Can I get a WOOT YEAH?!

  • Sierra Blue
    Dec. 2, 2009 11:34 p.m.

    The game is totally different on a neutral court or in Provo. But, congratulations to the Aggies for a nice win.

    But seriously, Aggie Fans, you have to acknowledge that a win in the Spectrum doesn't mean you have a better team. It just means you have a huge home court advantage.

    As for Dave Rose being "afraid" to play in Logan, that is the most ridiculous assertion ever. Please Aggie fans, don't become like the Utes and make such ridiculous statements.

  • SoCalAggie
    Dec. 2, 2009 11:27 p.m.

    yea yea, pre-season. Bring on a real challenge!

  • Sandyclaws
    Dec. 2, 2009 11:20 p.m.

    Congrats to USU! Clearly the best team in the state right now. I am a Cougar fan and always will be but I love Cache Valley, Logan, Sardine Canyon, and am a big supporter of Stew Morrill. I hope USU wins the WAC and does well in the Big Dance. USU is a tough place to play and a tougher place to win.