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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 1 2009 12:00 a.m. MST

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RR

I like how you liked it! Everyone in any rivalry dies to say this about their rival, but you know they don't really mean EVERYONE at the school. We need to realize this. He was hating the stupid ute fans doing constant stupid stuff, which is maybe 5% of the total fan base.

Anonymous

It will never really matter who won the game now will it?

Anonymous

Max Hall will spend the rest of his life trying to live down his irresponsible comments.

John Gillmore

I don't think these kind of hateful statements make life more interesting, be it in football or life. I think what Max should have talked about after the win was that it was an emotional win for him since his family had been traumatized (sexually harrassed, beer poured on them) by Utah fans. He could have used this as a way to educate the public on what he had been through. Rather than celebrate this escalation in words, we should all use this incident to take the time to recognize the serious nature of a potentially growing rift in these 2 fanbases, and what that may signal for the entire state in terms of peaceful coexistence of people of LDS and other faiths. This needs to be talked about, now, often, in a constructive way. It is time for the peaceful, mature citizens of Utah to come forward and address this issue. Perhaps I should be writing for Deseret News if my awareness of this is not common among it's journalists.

The Truth

"In all this, Hall did more damage to his own image than he ever did the Utes."

That's the most true sentence in this whole article. Hall now cements his checkered legacy at BYU by blurting out thoughtless words that will live in infamy. And this after one of the poorest games of his career.

Sad stuff. Had he only kept it to the beer-throwing idiots that bugged his family, that would have been understandable--even worthy of applause and further discussion. (Something--anything?--needs to be done about the out-of-control fan behavior from Utah and BYU fans alike.) But he overreacted, blasting an entire athletic program and academic institution alike. His apology was too little, too late.

Does anybody win when this whole thing turns nasty?

Chuck Anderson

Where was this "fire" and rage before the game ? Would the words have been as colorful had the outcome been different ? Weak, go figure

Larry Corry

I agree with John Gillmore, as most sensible people and U and BYU fans will, and I say to the columnist that he should have a guest commentary by John Gillmore where he can suggest some highly positive things that can be done by the majority of the fans, coaches, and players to have a friendly, if not LOVINGLY, (sure that sounds too syrupy for most manly jocks) relationship that is permanant and especially strong during the rival weekends and days. I believe something like this has started when LaVell & Urban were there!!!

Great article!!

Brad Rock, you nailed it on the head. As media members, you love Hall's comments. They give sports radio and sports columnists something to get reactions to. It sparks the rivalry.

But, you also shared the personal perspective - that Hall will regret this when he's looking for a job and comes across somebody he indirectly offended. And don't think it won't happen.

Even outside of the career element, he's going to face the fact that he'll be more remembered for his lack of self-restraint, his reprimand, his comments then he will his performance in big games. He'll eventually have to explain to his kids about why articles were written about his lack of sportsmanship when they look his name up on the internet.

Max Hall - I originally felt you embarrassed me as a Y fan. Now I see that you just embarrassed yourself.

Anonymous

I went to BYU and it embarrasses me that TCU, who beat the tar out of both BYU and Utah, handled themselves with more dignity and class than both of these two teams (not to mention the fact that they also showed superior football skills).

There’s nothing like two bitter rivals bickering about a name calling incident like a bunch of play ground kids while they jockey for 2nd and 3rd place finishes in their division. They should both live by the rule - “never complain too much in life because 90% of people don’t care and the other 10% are glad you have your problems.”

The power of the media..

...keeping a non-issue alive and kicking. Way to go.

At some point the media needs to step and take responsibility for stooking the fire of this rivarly as evident by the way they are jumping all over themselves to report, write, publish, and write some more about these comments.

No, it is not the media's fault for what Hall said, but it is their fault for making such a big deal about what a QB said concerning his rival school. What is the issue...Hall hates the U..so what, so do I and I have several friends who have openly told me they hate BYU. So what. I am not offended about it. It's just their opinion. No big deal. As these comments by Hall are no big deal. Why don't we just let it go and enjoy the game for what it is.

Cpatterson

Has everyone forgotten Eric Weddles comments about BYU a few years ago after the Utes won?

iTAKE IT BACK

i SAID i WOULD GO TO THE BOWL GAME AND CHEER FOR MAX RIGHT UP TO THE POINT HE APOLOGIZED. I DONT NORMALLY GO TO BOWL GAMES BECAUSE THEY TEND TO LOSE.
THAT APOLOGY SAVED ME AT LEAST A GRAND.
THE REAL APOLOGY SHOULD COME FROM SOMEONE ON THE HILL TO MAX AND HIS FAMILY AND ALL THE REST OF US WHO NO LONGER ATTEND GAMES AT THE u BECAUSE OF THOSE SAME SO CALLED FANS?

Bob in line

All the nobility aside I have loved the Lenny Gomes quote since I read it way back when. How freaking classic!

I know, I know, we are suppose to be all noble and above the fray. I played rugby for BYU back in the day and the only game I have ever played in (just over 100 games between college and semi-pro) that was ended early due to fighting was one against Utah. Not our best day but what you gonna do? Let the other guy hit you in the mouth?

In any case, Hall shouldn't have said it. And if you are going to say something make it entertaining like the Lenny quote. "You'll be pump'n my gas!" How many times have I told that to my brother-in-law, never mind Utah won the game.

It is a rivalry that we love to hate. Get over it.

Hall selfish and bigoted

Hall thought this game was about him, not BYU or it's football team. His selfish attitude took attention from a great performance by team. His bigoted remarks, that painted all of the University of Utah with a single brush stroke, would have made Archie Bunker smile with joy. As an adult he should know better, don't give me this "kid" stuff.

Can't we all just play nice?

I realize that I should probably follow my own advice since I have strong hatred for certain teams in other sports, but I've never taken anything to this extent and it saddens me to see this take place among two high-profile schools in the state of Utah. I actually like both teams believe it or not and hope that someday we can all just congratulate one another for each other's sucess and be gracious in both victory and defeat. That is how the Lord would want it, right?

The power of the media?

This was an amazing comment: "...keeping a non-issue alive and kicking. Way to go. At some point the media needs to step and take responsibility for stooking the fire of this rivarly as evident by the way they are jumping all over themselves to report, write, publish, and write some more about these comments."

Have you seen the comments on every one of these stories? That is the PUBLIC. It is YOU. Media my foot. We the people have the power in this day and age and we have demonstrated that we care about this story. Go check the "most popular" list on this website and "most commented" if you doubt it.

Rock...when is it EVER..

acceptable to express hate for anything or anyone, especially if you are from a religious school like BYU? For you to endorse this and thank Hall for his hypocrisy and immaturity for the sake of the rivalry does not do anything to tone down the negative hate. Any rivalry can continue its intensity without the hate, which in Hall's case was out of control.

LOL

Today I had to listen to all my Ute fan friends tell me-with a straight face, mind you, that they don't "hate" BYU. "No, we don't feel that way, we don't say that" etc, etc, I had to laugh. Two days ago it was a common, ordinary word in this rivalry. OF COURSE WE HATE EACHOTHER, PA LEASE! BYU/UTAH is a synonym for HATE. But apparently now if you say it, you're unforgiven.

Ummm

Ummmm, has anyone read a BYU/UTAH blog lately. You say "I hate you" to the other side in a blog and you'll get laughed out of it for being too nice!

Scoobie

I have to agree with some of these fans. I would have much rather seen Max have channeled his disdain for the incidents poured out on his family last year on the football field...it would have had a greater impact. It's unfortunate that he's about to close his BYU career on such a negative note. The wrong forum at the wrong time. Had he waxed the Utes and then referenced that he was somewhat driven and motivated by the events involving his family last year, then it would have been a great personal exclamation point to a nice college career. Now it's going to cause a stir and just magnify the problems of alcohol at U sporting events. All it's going to do is make it worse.

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