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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 1 2009 12:00 a.m. MST

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GOOD!

GOOD! Because I am sick and tired of hearing all about it!

Dennis

That's it? No more to say?

I'm stunned that a football rivalry, that should be fun, could get this much out of control. We'd all be appalled if we heard hate language like this at the Alabama/Auburn, Texas/Texas Tech or Ohio/Michigan games. The worst part of this is that 40% of those polled by KSL about whether it was okay for Max Hall to say what he said after the BYU/Utah football game, responded, "yes". I don't know what I can make of the 59% that said it wasn't okay--there is no way to tell, but the 40% that said yes--there is no question about what they meant.

If the BYU football program is "one of the biggest missionary tools" the LDS Church has, then maybe it's time to reconsider it's value. I'm an LDS Christian and believe that we should be held to a higher standard where the language of "hate" doesn't belong anywhere, especially in sports and in a game.

What do you expect?

BYU fans expect UofU fans to be classless: they meet all expectations.

UofU fans expect BYU fans to be perfect angel: they don't all meet these expectations.

Why does everyone hold BYU and Mormons to such a high standard?

I may not agree w/ Max Hall's hate talk, but frankly I don't really blame him...there are a lot of UofU fans that thoroughly hate, despise, anthing to do w/ the LDS church and BYU. A lot of the UofU fans are former Mormons and can't get over it.

Did BYU Just Punt?

BYU's standards are now only equal to those of the Mountain West Conferences? That is truly surprising. I would say disappointing, but I really want to believe that BYU is doing something in private to teach Mr. Hall lessons that a 24-year-old graduate of the flagship university for the LDS faith should have learned. I hope they are doing more than just punting on this opportunity to teach and mend.



Anonymous

It's unfortunate that Max didn't have the guts or the dignity to issue his apology on video so that we know it actually came from him. Hate isn't supposed to be a virtue that BYU espouses, yet one of their most visibly ambassadors spews it on live TV after HE WINS. If BYU truly cared about sportsmanship, they would do more than to let it go at what appears to be a prepared statement and show the rest of the conference that they don't endorse his comments. Otherwise, they appear to be content to "turn the other cheek". Gee, Max, "What would Jesus do?"

Dennis

That's it? No more to say?

I'm stunned that a football rivalry, that should be fun, could get this much out of control. We'd all be appalled if we heard hate language like this at the Alabama/Auburn, Texas/Texas Tech or Ohio/Michigan games. The worst part of this is that 40% of those polled by KSL about whether it was okay for Max Hall to say what he said after the BYU/Utah football game, responded, "yes". I don't know what I can make of the 59% that said it wasn't okay--there is no way to tell, but the 40% that said yes--there is no question about what they meant.

If the BYU football program is "one of the biggest missionary tools" the LDS Church has, then maybe it's time to reconsider it's value. I'm an LDS Christian and believe that we should be held to a higher standard where the language of "hate" doesn't belong anywhere, especially in sports and in a game.

BYU not all that perfect

BYU is not at all perfect...and the reason why people expect high things of them is because that is what they preach. I am LDS but prefer that none of my kids go to school there. They are a bunch if hypocrits. U of U is the only in state school for me, and if a player from the U had made the same comments it would have been inexcusable. But since it was a Y player it is water under the bridge.

kiaoraguy

Lessons Learned! The rivalry is just a bit caustic, tone it down, keep your hands to yourself, and us BYU fans should remember who we are at all times.

Susan

Why does everyone hold BYU and Mormons to a higher standard? Do you not listen to your own conferences? Do you not follow your teachings? Even my church teaches not to hate. I feel really sad for Max.

Strider228

What do you want him to do? He's recognized what he said was wrong, he's apologized for it.

What more could BYU do? They never once endorsed what he said.

Get a Life

The media and fan(atics) on both sides who want to keep fanning the flames need to all move along.

My wife was in the Ohio State marching band. Her trips to the team up north (Michigan) [note: Urban Meyer stole that trick from Woody] were eventful to say the least. Max's comments and all this ruckus is child's play compared to what goes on in the Michigan/Ohio State rivalry. This silly bickering is like watching two Kindergartners slap at each other on the playground. BYU/Utah is Little League compared to the other real rivalries. I find the religious overtones disgusting and an embarrassment to both schools.

Ute fan's reaction

I, too, was appalled by the behavior of my fellow fans at the game last year. Why do our fans have to add obscenities to every BYU cheer? It does make us look classless. And if my family was treated the way his was, I don't know how I would react, but probably more vehemently than Max did. Thank you for apologizing Max. You spoke too quickly and overstated your feelings. Understandable. Hopefully we fans can take a lesson from you and try to turn the hatred down in our rivalry.

BYU Fan

Even though Max Hall's public comments in regards to the U of U are inexcusable, I understand thoroughly how he feels. As an undergrad at BYU I attended a football at the U where my friends and I were mistreated by a vocal minority. U fans made unprovoked derogatory comments towards us and made threats of bodily harm. They also followed us into the parking lot where they challenged us to a fight. Fortunately, we took the higher and walked away.

I've attended BYU football away games at many schools (including Utah State, Cal, and SDSU) and have never been mistreated in such a fashion. I think a public dialogue in one form or another should be organized on both campuses by Mountain West officials in regards to hospitality and good sportmanship. If not, maybe a football moratorium should take place between both schools to allow things to cool down and give people time to put things in their proper perspective.

A good old fashion rivalry is a wonderful thing as long as people feel safe (physically and emotionally) are allowed to enjoy themselves in a healthy fashion.

Leave Max alone

The guy apologized, people need to let it die down.

Max was clearly frustrated, I think he wanted to beat the Utes 42-10, or something like that, but his statistics vs Utah were quite a bit worse than they were against TCU. He didn't get the blowout he was dreaming about and blew his top.

Clearly not Max's best day, on or off the field.

This Ute fan loves Max!

Thank you, Max, for shedding light on some of the most revolting acts our fans are doing. I know it goes both ways, but its pathetic that Utah fans are sinking to such depths to express their dislike of BYU. What role does Max's wife or mother have in the rivarly? nOne! As a mother of two boys who went to the U and another who went to the Y, I can't believe Utah fans would treat another human being, esp. women, in such demeaning ways.

oregoncougarfan

RE: Ute fan's reaction

Thanks! We need to all forgive and forget and remember that football is just football and not life! Let's move on!

Life lesson

Max is and will continue to learn from and pay a price for his comments. The university doesn't need to pile on. He will face the consequences for years. The media will make sure of that. I predict you will here that audio played annually by the media for the next 10-15 years. They want to see this kind of thing happen. If you watched the Sunday night sports shows, you will notice that the media who posed the questions were fully aware that they could push the right buttons to get Max to unload. He took the bait.

Parker West

I can't say utah fans are classless. I'm still open to finding one with class, but after 45 years, still looking. I'm certainly not going to find a classey utah fan on this comment board. But I'm still open that they exist.

BYU Morals

Being that Max is the face of BYU, hard to believe that they'd look the other way. Somehow you can get expelled for watching MTV, but get a pardon for speaking hatred. So what's more important BYU? Football or morals? It's a game that doesn't mean anything. How the morals have fallen. You wont see this at ND, TCU, SMU

unbelievable

Hall's "classless" comments are an embarrassment to himself, the team, the school, and the LDS church. And it is unbelievable that they would simply slide it under the rug.

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