So what did the reprimand say? What does the reprimand do? What, other than the
league saying he is "reprimanded" have to do with his immediate future? All
you've done here is cobbled Hall's original comments, and then his clarifying
apology into a few paragraphs. Tell us what the reprimand said and what it will
It is just sad this had to happen. The rivalry is a fun get together that
shouldn't end in name calling or vocal bitterness.
How many times have Ute players been reprimanded in the past for saying the same
thing about the BYU program? Zero? That's what I thought. Way to be consistent
Utah fans treated Hall's family poorly. Hall made a mistake in taking their
bait. He clarified and apologized. I hope Utah will apologize to Hall and his
family on behalf of their fans from last year. Now, let's move on.
Fake apology and fake honor code. Starts with the coaching. Not all BYU I wont
stoop 2 Max Halls level but enough to judge the leadership on BYUs football team
Big deal, Max just stated what everyone around Utah and most people around the
United States feel about the University of Utah. In my experience they
are classless, and their sports are overhyped. I wish more people would speak
their minds about the Utes.
This whole thing is such a non issue. C'mon DesNews and SL Trib...let it go. I
mean, here's the story, "QB says he hates rival school" Big deal!I
would have liked to have heard what the U players were saying during the game.
Maybe the press can get a hold of that and print it.Bottom line...it
was an emotional game in an emotional rivarly and it is done. Let it go....
Talk about classless. BYU embarrassing itself again.
Slap on the wrist. That's it. Blount physically assaults another player and gets
benched for the season. Hall verbally defames an entire university and gets a
slap on the wrist. If Bronco wants to really live up to the whole "Tradition,
Honor, Spirit" thing, then he would be wise to follow Coach Kelly and sit Hall
for some time in the bowl game. We'll see if he's that serious about his own
To both UTAH and BYU fans:If you don't think you can act civilly and
respectfully during and after the game then please STAY HOME!!!!!! Your stupid
and irresponsible behavior is ruining the game for everyone else!!!
An apology has been extended and I would hope accepted, end it already.
I want to apologize on behalf of Ute nation for the way Max's family was treated
last year. I have been subject to attacks on my religion even as a Ute fan by
other fans. Some of the things that are said are vile and disgusting especially
those that are religious based. Ute fans should realize the hatred generated by
Ute fans at the Mormon religion. To be spit on and to be escorted by police is
So, will Morgan Scally, Steve Tate, Paul Kruger, and Sylvester Stephenson be
reprimanded now for saying that they hate BYU?
The fact is the Organization isn't "Classless", he was aiming his comments at
the RUDE FANS they have that DO THROW BEER, SPIT, Swear, and are
UNSPORTSMANLIKE! That was the jist of it, he just got carried away. I don't like
some things about the Football Utes either, but most of it is FAN Based, MANY OF
THEM ARE RUDE, Make threats, are delinquents who damage property because it has
BLUE or a "Y" on it. If you go to their stadium for a BYU @ UTAH game, many are
VERY VERY RUDE, Obnoxious and threatening! It is a shamed the FEW give the
organization such a bad rap, that it caused Max Hall to say what he said. He
said it out of anger and "IN YOUR FACE, WE WON!" to those types of fans, and
YES, THOSE TYPES OF FANS DESERVED IT!!! Way to go Max!
You really undercut everything BYU professes to be and strengthened the
animosity that so many already feel towards BYU. Bad move.I spent all last week defending you and then you had to say what you said
Saturday night. I cannot defend those comments. Nor would I ever try. Thanks
for the apology but so much damage is already done.I hope Bronco,
his team, and the entire BYU fan base can try to make amends and show Utah and
the world that we aren't a bunch of classless hypocrites.I don't
know what you, Max, can do to make it up to us but I hope you do. By the way it
won't be repaired by what you do on the field in the bowl game.
Just what does a reprimand mean from the MWC? More games played on the MTN?
This is already becoming a bit of a dead horse we're beating, isn't it? He said
something stupid out of anger (justified feelings, just shouldn't have said
anything), he apologized, life goes on. Memo to sports radio: thank you. We
get it. We know what happened. Can we talk about the actual game sometime?
suspended for making such ridiculous comments. Make him sit out his last game.
What did the reprimand consist of? Was he disqualified from playing in a bowl
game? Was he fined? Slap on the wrist? Or just told he was a bad boy? Pro
athletes get real fines and sanctions. Guess Hall gets a free pass on this one,
except his reputation is forever tarnished due to his selfish, classless
I feel that it was very unfortunate that Hall's family were treated badly at
RES. I personally have been treated badly at LES. It is hard to control fans.
I wouldn't want to live in a country where legal bantering among opponents was
punished.I'm LDS and don't like being lumped with "all Mormons" as being a
non thinking sheep--Nor do I like being lumped with all University of Utah
supporters as being classless. (I might be, but I don't like been lumped as
part of group of classless folks.) Max Hall has apologized and I'll accept
that. I truly hope it was a sincere gesture. I feel terrible that a Church
owned institution of any demonization fosters hatred. I apologize for all Utes
that ever got "caught up in the moment." I'll let the Hall thing slide if
you'll let Ute bad behavior of the past be in the past. Let's be civil
I'm not surprised by the way his family was treated, and I understand the
heat-of-the-battle thing. My family is the best part of my life, too. If someone
had threatened them and abused them like that I'd be upset, too.
Maybe the "Holy War" should take a two year break to let things calm down a bit.
Instead of playing each other for the next two years they should schedule
another OOC game with the same school. Just a thought. Things are getting out of
So what was the extent of the reprimand?! That it was public?
What said is said and no amount of explaining can take back what words were
spoken in any situation whether it is a football game or something else. Those
were harsh words and they cut deep.Did you hear Coach Wittingham
talk about his hatred for BYU after his wife got hit in the face after the
game.The best thing to remember is if you don't have anything nice
to say then don't say anything at all.
BYU is not about hating people, ever. Max must be disciplined by BYU. Criticizing blocking techniques does not violate core values of BYU.
Espousing hatred does, whether it is at all of Utah fans or just some of them.
There was and is no excuse for Max's behavior.I hope BYU does show
that it expects more out of its players than do the executives at the Mountain
BYU should also reprimand him by not allowing him to play in the bowl game. I
am a life long Cougar fan, but his actions are unacceptable to what BYU and the
football program stands for.
Since coach Mendenhall said today on the radio that he supports Max and his
comments, should the conference also reprimand him as well.If your
sportsmanship is reprimandable whould it also be reprimandable to agree and
support Max in this poor behavior?I guess sportsmanship is on the
down at BYU untill they can show us that they have a coach that does not support
bad reprimandable behavior.
I hope the Y football program has the guts to reprimand their own. That is
something I respect about Whit, he reprimands, there are consequences to your
actions at the U.
I still remember when I was in the Utah marching band over 10 years ago and the
things that were thrown at us in Cougar stadium when we marched in. I think
people who get vicious at these games have bigger problems and they use the
rivalry as a way to vent those negative feelings.
Does anyone know if the reprimand will affect whether Max Hall can play in the
upcoming bowl game?
Why does every article about this Max Hall event just quote verbatim his rant.
Give us some new news.
This article was a waste. It provided no new information other than the
headline. I want to know what the "reprimand" was.
The utes would be LOVING it if they had won and one off their players had
mouthed off and said the same thing about BYU. Stop being "HOLIER THAN THOU"
utes. You lost. Get over it. We don't like you, you don't like us. Stop
acting like this is bigger than it is. I can only imagine the terrible things
players say about byu each day at practice(and the things byu players say about
utah). And NO, it's not different being on tv. Why would it be?
This make you crybabies feel better? Guess what? THE SCOREBOARD IS THE
SAME!!!! I loved what Hall said. It's true. Stop acting like you are HOLIER
than byu fans. You dont like us, we dont like you. It's nothing new what he
said, ute hypocrites
I was not a big fan of Max before the game, nor during the game, but I AM NOW.
I don't care if the sensitive utes are bent out of shape because Max hates them.
Did we hurt your feelings? Or just your pride? You lost losers.
in two senses of the word.1)Great game. Both defenses played
terrific football. Utah had chances to go up bigger early but settled for FG's.
BYU had chances in the 3rd to put the game away, but the Utah defense held them
down. So unfortunate that an egotistical athlete takes the glory away from his
team and places it right onto himself. Hall says nothing of the incident for
364 days, then opens up a tirade on the entire Utah nation, but only after they
win? Think he brings this up if they lose? Not a chance. Coward. 2)Run and hide. Hall just left future BYU players out to dry. Next year's
game would have favored Utah heavily regardless of his comments with Wynn coming
back and BYU working in a new QB for the first time in 4 years. But with Hall's
comments, you think Utah will be fired up next year? You betch ya. And he'll
be nowhere to be heard from, leaving the 2010 Cougar team to take the brunt of
his mouth's actions. Coward.
did not win the game Harvey Unga did and without Mr Unga BYU would not have even
had a chance .Max Hall made ONE big pass and the rest of the game did very
little.Max Hall is a whiney loudmouth who will never make it in the NFL . The
reason being is that Max Cannot take criticism . You think NFL fans will play
nicey nice Max ? Think again.
You dont like us and tell us everyday how much you hate our school. Of all
people, MAX HAS THE RIGHT to hate the utes. I hate them, and I've never had
beer thrown on my family or assaulted by their typical fans. Stop acting like
you'd act differently!!!! You act the same as Max EVERYDAY. Hypocrite utes.
No amount of success can compensate for failure in the home...failure in the
home begins at University of Utah. Read chapter 18 of Miracle of
Forgiveness and don't be so offended (little pigmies) Oh
wait…that’s Mormon Doctrine. Never mind.
Nothing like a slap on the wrist to tell someone they are acting
"unsportsmanlike"; more like a kid on a playground that had there ball stolen
from them. A public reprimand is nothing more than a mother slapping
their kid on the wrist and telling them "No! No!". Depending on the kid, it
usually doesn't get the message across.It seems Bronco Mendenhall
doesn't condone unsportsmanlike conduct, as he simply said Max was speaking from
his heart...the question that then comes up is how cold is that heart to "hate"
everyone that associates with any given University that Mr. Hall decides not to
like?It seems that the entire BYU PR department is going to have to
work overtime to fix the damage that "heart"-felt comments create.
I loved the game. Loved Max's comments. The ute fans are trying to shift the
focus to an argument instead of the game! HA! I hate that school too. Well
done Max!!!! The Utes are hypocrites - they feel the same way about us, so stop
acting "holier than thou" utes.
I challenge Chris Hill, Michael Young and other administrators and donors to sit
in the MUSS next year during the Utah - BYU game.
Isn't it a bit ironic that Ute fans are all screeming about these "offensive"
comments when for the most part they are the ones who constantly go off on "BYU
is so hypocritical" "BYU is arrogant" "BYU is self-righteous" etc, etc. and
then when somebody in blue hits back, they run and cry to the press...and the
worst part of it is that the press eat it up like a protective parent whose
spoiled little brat just got what he deserved.
i honestly think Max said what he said, because he was mad that he didnt live up
to the expectations of going to the BCS this year. He is once again going to
Vegas and hes mad about it. if he was so upset about it, he would have came out
earlier and said something
When we lived in Utah I never ceased to be amazed at how many BYU haters there
were. One man I knew taught his young two year old to say "I hate BYU," and
would laugh and reward him every time he said it.The anti-BYU
sentiment by adults was horrendous. I can see cheering FOR your own school, but
to be so ANTI anyone is wrong. And especially for the Mormons who throw their
lot in with these Mormon haters. It makes no sense to me.
Ok - let him get reprimanded (do something) and let's move on. Enough of this
Let's get real here, when I heard Max's comments the first time, I was thinking
WOW, that's spoken from the heart! Spoken from my heart and many others too!
Then the analysis started and I realized that I have several Ute friends and
coworkers whom I like and respect, so I scaled back and said, OK "hate
everything" is a bit broad and "hate" is a bit strong, but in general I still
If BYU administration sees football - as it claims - to be an activity for
molding men of moral character, and not just for winning, then it should follow
suit in reprimanding Hall as well.
Where was the reprimand to Utah's program for not doing anything about their
fans assaulting Hall's family. Where is the MWC when it really matters or do
they only reprimand a football program and its players when they say something
and not when they don't say anything like Utah and its coaches and players who
said nothing about theirs fans acting so badly that the police needed to escort
the BYU quarterback's family to their car so they won't be assaulted by Utah's
fans.Maybe if the MWC issued a reprimand for allowing such behavior
to continue without Utah taking any action than Hall wouldn't have had to refer
to the Utah program and university as classless. We know that BYU is forcing
Hall to issue this apology and they are right to do so but the real apology
should come from the entire Utah football team for doing and saying nothing when
their fans behave this way and I will never attend a game at their stadium until
they condemn their fans who act like this and how dare they act upset when
people call them classless for allowing such behavior.
I am behind you all the way. For 3 years all the classless ute fans have
belittle every move you ever make. Every pass ever thrown. Even the good ones.
So why is it sooooo wrong to flip the script. What is wrong with getting even.
Do unto others? Ute fans? I hope we see t-shirts for Christmas that says - --
Max is my Hero....
A longer mission would have helped max grow up a bit before he was a
senior.....VERY FRESHMAN MAx....VERY FRESHMAN.
Also classless to be hypocrites and pretend the Utes wouldnt love it if their
player had said similar things(aka Morgan Scalley) about byu. Grow up utes -
To all you supposed BYU fans (KFausett), bring your families by sometime and let
them be spit on, thrown beer on and have to be escorted to cars by the police.
You are just going to turn the other cheek and be a good boy, right? I would
hate to be your family.
It is truly unfortunately that this young man will not be remembered for his
efforts on the field as great football player but rather for his remarks after
one game. I can understand the reason why Max Hall was upset but that was not
the proper place to vent those feelings. I hope we will all try to
move beyond these remarks and learn that nothing good can come dwelling on
negative thoughts of the past. I wish Mr. Hall and his family well. I also
wish the University of Utah football and their supporters well as they approach
post season play.Scott
I'm sorry your tender feelings got hurt. After so much trash talk for the past
several, well, decades, you'd think you guys could handle someone saying they
hated you. I didnt' know you WERE SO FRAGILE. We'll try to be nicer in the
future. HA HA HA HA HA. I loved the comments. Sorry we offended you. HA HA
It does not surpise me what he said. Look at his on field personal fouls.
Probably holds the college record for the most. That is a reflection of his
true character. Classless. He that casts a stone should look at himself first.
However, his 15 minutes is just about up. I am looking foward to better people
playing for BYU in the future. I just hope Bronco can recruit classier young
I attended a BYU Notre Dame game in the Fall of 1990 in South Bend. The end
result was BYU won that Game. I was on the 25 yard line and was surrounded by
Irish fans. They were drinking beer and having a great time. Not once was there
foul language or vile remarks towards me or my family. No beer showers, nothing.
Maybe we should take a page from the Catholics on how to be civil at a sporting
event.Disappointed in both BYU and UofU fans.
WAS THERE A GAME SATURDAY?
Lose the Bowl game if that's what it requires. Having your star player say what
he said was unbelievable. I'm an active LDS BYU fan who was appalled at what
Max said. As an institution that stands for something please stand
up now. It will save your image and help Max in the long run.My own
feelings for BYU have taken a big blow.
That's the difference. Utah players talk on the field, and say nothing off it.
BYU players feel the need and lack of discipline to do both.
Wah, Wah, Wah. So the truth hurts get over it. Max you are awesome and BYU
fans respect you for the comments coming from your heart. All die hard BYU fans
agree with you. If they don't agree then they are not true blue.
College Football Final's take was 'the reason I have a problem with his
comments, is that he played poorly.' To Max's credit he didn't turn the ball
over, but he also completed only 1/3 of his passes. Another ugly game by two
mediocre teams. Good luck in training camp next year hope you can make it out
of a camp by showing up.
So what you're saying is Max was misquoted? Because he sure made it crystal
clear he didn't just mean a few fans during his tirade.The man is a
coward. Coward for only bringing this up after he won, and after his career
against Utah is over. And now a coward for not having the you know what's to
stand behind what he said and running away with his tail between his legs.
max hall directly represents the BYU football program and the school. The way he
spoke could be taken very badly by the kids looking up to this man. BYU is a
morman school, part of being morman is loving one another. He should be taken
out of their bowl game and disciplined as much as possible.
I've never seen such a tantrum over someone saying they dont like someone. And
by a college football program! It's ridiculous. We've never heard ute
fans/players say similar things about byu have we? Hypocrite ute. Sorry we
hurt your tender feelings! Ha, Max was right on.
Get off Hall's Back! Last time I saw the Constitution he still has the freedom
of speech. Both schools need to police the fans and yank their season passes if
they can not be civil. Banning beer from the RES would be a step in the right
direction. If you have an axe to grind with with the Mormon's handle it with
Suspend him!? Not let him play in the bowl game!? Give me a break!!! I hate
people who post such outlandish comments!!!!((Note to
readers/responders/civil activists: The previous use of the word "hate" does
NOT mean that I actually, truly hate THE PEOPLE who make such ridiculous
comments. Its use is intended to prove a point. Maybe I should be suspended
from viewing or commenting on these boards because I used the word "hate," . . .
I wonder what is going to hurt him more in the 2010 draft: His five
interceptions against Utah in 2008 or his class-less inability to control his
immature hothead. Not exactly the attributes that most NFL teams are looking
for. Please...the guy couldn't even make it 7 months on his mormon mission
I went to BYU and cheer for the Cougars! I have seen poor behavior on both
sides. I was in church and heard someone ask a Utah fan why they came to
church. I've heard religious attacks of BYU fans. Let's see - many general
authorities graduated from the U. I'm not from Utah and have seen some really
great rivalries around the country. It's time fans of the universities in Utah
(Yes - some USU fans have issues too) learned to separate religion from football
and quit making personal attacks. Come on everyone - Here's a new competition -
Who can be the better sport, who can show more class, who can prove they can be
more accepting of people, who will win at the HUMAN BEING game?
Max hall stands in the shoes of Steve Young and Robbie Bosco and fails to
measure up.Not even Jim McMahon embarassed the school as much as
Hate is a strong word. Folks it is just a game, when it is all said and done we
go on with our lives. Our life does not change with the outcome of a game.
Hello! Its football! Its a game! A GAME!Why don't we focus on
important things? Things of value.Isn't it time for BYU to spend less
time on a game?A game with NO value, other than making people into
The reprimand cited code violation 4.2-e and 4.4.5 which reads, 4.2 "Acts in
Violation of Sportsmanship Policy. Conduct by athletes, coaches and other
institutional athletics personnel who act in an unsporting manner is subject to
sanction. Violations of the Conference sportsmanship policy shall include, but
are not limited to the following: e. Publicly criticizing or disparaging a game
official, the Conference or its personnel, another institution, a
student-athlete or personnel of another institution."4.4.5 Reads
"Public Criticism. An individual affiliated with (e.g., over whom the
institution and/or Conference has jurisdiction) a member institution or the
Mountain West Conference who publicly criticizes or disparages a game official,
the Conference or its personnel, another institution, student-athlete or
personnel of another institution shall be subject to the following penalties:
184.108.40.206 First Offense. Public reprimand.It's over folks! Move on!
You can't un-ring the bell.
Correction. K Whit's wife was phyically hit in the face by a BYU fan in LES
Saturday. And he did not go on a tirade blaming that incident on the entire BYU
organization. He stayed classy, and has refused to comment.Whit/Utah = ClassBYU/Max/Bronco = Talk a good game, then contradict
everything they say with a situation like this.
Since when is it unacceptable to use free speech? His comment may have been
tasteless, but he has the right to say what he wants when a mircophone is shoved
in his face. I think Utah fans are more upset that Max was on the winning end of
three of four games in his tenure at BYU.
Max Hall's comments represent one persons feelings. Not the entire institution
of BYU. Fans need to understand that and just realize, like most of you are
saying, that A TON of fans feel the same way. However, this is what makes this
game A RIVALRY!! Max probably shouldnt have been so easily to say those words,
but I love the fact that he did. BYU has always taken the "moral high road" and
that is what makes people think of us as the school who looks at themselves as
"holier than thou." By him saying his true feelings, he showed that we do not
think of ourselves as better than anyone else, and we are just as human as
anyone and any other university. I hate Utah too. Many of their fans are indeed
classless. Whitt himself has shown glimpses of classlessness in game running up
the score.Go Max, and I hope there are future BYU athletes who share
their feelings like you!
for BYU to take action --then we will see how classy coach Bronco is
The throw was not all that great and probably should have been picked. What was
great was George keeping his feet and rambling into the endzone.
Let me apologise to you for the abuse you have endured from other Ute fans.
Shame on them! Utah should stop their sports programs until their fans are as
good as those at BYU. We just have to read these comments to see how one should
behave in a civil society. Few ever blame themselves, always the other guy. I've
always loved a great football game on a beautiful Utah Saturday. This ugliness
ruins it for me. Guess I'll find a good book.
Oh, stop being so sensitive. He apologized and has been reprimanded. He is going
to suffer for this for a long, long time. Remember he really has
also done a lot of good for the BYU football program. (if you really are a fan
you should agree.) He got carried away in his comments and has since apologized.
Accept the apology and let it go. Seriously people, what do you
want? Kick him out of the bowl game for some insensitive words? Seriously. Worse
things have been said. Remember the old playground saying "Sticks and stones may
hurt my bones, but words can never hurt me"? He knows he was wrong
and has said so. Accept it.Congratulations on the win BYU. Good luck
to the Utes, TCU and BYU in bowl games!!
What about the F-bomb he dropped on TV? In case you missed it, after a 3 and
out he used the word as the cameras were showing him. It was very obvious what
he said reading his lips. I am wondering what BYU is going to do. Do they have
the guts to sit him down for a quarter in the bowl game?
This just shows what a sad shape the BYU football program is in right now.
BYU has always been and will forever be a bunch of cry babies. It doesn't matter
if BYU wins or loses a game they will always be found crying like babies after
the game. It doesn't matter the outcome of the BYU-UTAH game because I can
always be satisfied with the fact that BYU is going to get spanked in their bowl
game and UTAH is going to continue on with the nations longest bowl game winning
streak. Can't wait to hear what Maxi Pad says after his final game when he
throws 3 interceptions and fumbles the ball twice as BYU gets pounded again this
Utah did not really deserve to win last saturday's game, cause they were rude to
hall's family last year's game. The game became personal to hall, and i believe
it was personal to send them home. The players played a very good game, but hall
did his best to get revenge on them. Utah Utes do have a good football
organization and did not deserve the diss by hall.
I love BYU and all the things we represent. I attend all the BYU games when
they come to California. It saddens me Max Hall has tarnished this win. I
understand you were frustrated last year with some Utah fans but what does that
have to do with the actual University. 12 months is a long time to hold on to
this hatred. I sense you blame Utes for the way the Utah press has treated you
for the last year. Keep in mind much of the press in Utah is owned by the
church or its members. I hope you can forgive Utah fans, my
experience at RES has been fine. Yes some fans have been tough but that is to
be expected when you walk into their house wearing Blue. Also, our fans can be
just as bad. 2 years ago after the game I was watching KSL at the hotel and
they reported a BYU fan punched a Ute fan that was at the game with his son. He
was admitted to the hospital. And now this year rumors about Kyles wife being
struck by a BYU fan. I hope not! What a shame.
Beer doesn't open cuts like we have seen after the game saturday. I didn't hear
anyone on the local news stations talk about this matter. Hall is a little baby.
He will never make it at the next level.Coach Men. should bench him and
make a example to the rest of the team to keep your mouth shut. Good game Hall
the worst of the season for you and you act like you did it all by yourself.
I really hope that the posts supporting Max's statements are not really from
students or alumni of BYU. BYU is not about justifying its bad
behavior by pointing at the bad behavior of another. BYU is not about hating.
BYU is not about being without grace in victory. There is no justification for
any of these things. If this many BYU students and alumni support
or justify Max's behavior, the school is failing more than just Max Hall. Say
it isn't so.
I don't like what Max Hall said, it did detract from a great win. However, I do
like Max Hall. He's a passionate KID who made a poor decision. I would like to
quote Kyle Whittingham, whom I watched play at BYU and who has created a great
and successful program at the U, he said,"My emotions got the best of me, and
after thinking about it, I wouldn't have done it in hindsight" he explained.
"But emotions were running high as you could tell – both from what we did
and the reaction on the other team. That's the nature of sports, I guess. At
times your emotions get in the way of sound decision-making. "You've got to
guard against that," Whittingham continued. "I'm not making excuses. I'm just
saying that was what happened."
CTR .. choose to RANT .. typical BYU
In an era of so-called political correctness and sensitivity, Hall shouldn't
have said what he did. No question about it. However, one thing that makes the
rivalry so impressive is the number of Utah fans who "strongly dislike" BYU or
the number of BYU fans who "strongly dislike" Utah. As someone who grew up in
Utah and went to BYU, I couldn't bring myself to cheer for Utah; however, having
lived on the east coast for the past 19 years, I cheer almost as loud for them
as I do BYU . . . except for Saturday of course.
POOR TENDERED FEELING HYPOCRITICAL UTES:You would be loving it if
you had won and one of your players mouthed off like Hall did. Stop acting
"HOLIER THAN THOU." You are just hypocrites. Max was right. We dont like you,
you dont like us. You lost. Get over it.
Reprimand or not, the score was still 26-23. Go BYU!!!
Congratulations to Max and the second place MWC finish.Good Luck on
the pending Las Vegas Bowl.Thank you for your sincere apology.p.s. I forgive you Utah fanEmail me back at
Every member a missionary
Utes loved it when morgan scalley mouthed off a few years ago. I loved it when
Max mouthed off. We dont like you, you dont like us. It's nothing new - stop
making it bigger than it is. Sorry we hurt your feelings. HA HA HA HA
Fact is many Utah fans ar RES are like Raider fans without the IQ.
Yeah, like when Whit reprimanded that player who almost beat a man to death
outside a bar. Oh, wait.... Whit did NOTHING about it.
I had a similar incident at U-U and BYU game at the Ute stadium. Took a teenager
son and was watching from the top of the stadium when two boozed up fans tried
to pick a fight with him for nothing. He was standing next to me watching the
game. They backed away when I suggested they leave or else it would be me they
tangled with. Didn't phase me. I was not a UTE hater nor a BYU fanatic. I had a
son play at UTAH and at BYU. I enjoy football. The comments by Mr. Hall does not
impact me at all, the mediocre football I seen did. Both programs must improve
to be where TCU now at. They have a very good program & right now the at the top
of the conference. Forget the hype and work on football skills.
is the same. Losers. You're trying to shift the focus. Get over yourselves.
We dont like you. Never have, never will. Just like you dont like us.
I know how Max must feel…When I went to the Las Vegas BowlMy
family had to walk past a man whowas smoking and we got second hand smoke
On us. I hate all smokers.
YOU'RE RIGHT! Max has the right to dislike the Utes. he watched THEM achieve his
dream twice in the last 5 seasons.... agreed BUT to take a personal attack at
the whole University and Organization... That crosses the line. He called
everyone classless.. im a returned missionary good standing member of the
church. And i am a die hard Ute. i find what he said against the very principles
our church teaches. And i know there are a FEW Utah fans that go to far but dont
Judge everyone by the works of a few. If a Utah player did that same exact rant
about BYU and the church, it would come across as just a bitter kid with little
brother syndrome. So then why do BYU fans try to justify these comments?? unless
they have now just become bitter with little brother syndrome to the U?
"Lose the Bowl game if that's what it requires. Having your star player say what
he said was unbelievable. I'm an active LDS BYU fan who was appalled at what Max
said."Your religion has nothing to do with this so stop acting like
it does and you being a BYU fan doesn't have anything to do with it either. It's your defense of Utah's classless lack of action and comment taken
against Ute fans that required the police to escort Hall's family to their car
while you condemn Hall for saying what needed to be said that is at issue.The entire Utah football team should be benched for not saying anything
and immediately coming out and saying how sorry they were to hear about how
Hall's family needed police to protect them at Utah's stadium."My
own feelings for BYU have taken a big blow."It's about time that
someone from BYU had a backbone to say something about Utah's classless
behavior. If they had any decency they would condemn their fans and defend
Hall's comments as being said because he loves his family.
I don’t know why Max is so upset — up here in WyomingWhen you
get swore at and beer thrown on you It just means she doesn’t want
to dance on Friday night.Did they onside kick — now that would
make me mad!
I say we do something similar to what Florida did with Tim Tebow's pronouncement
last year when he shared his presonal feelings after a loss to mighty Ole Miss.
We make up a plaque with Hall's statement, verbatim, and have it placed at the
entrance to LaVell Edwards Stadium, for all to see and remember. It might even
become the Christmas season's most popular gift.Rise and shout!
Thanks for being a shining example of righteousness to my children, Max Hall.
If you can't tell, I am being sarcastic.
No one got hurt, no beverage can thrown at them, spit upon or cursed at. Yes, I
think it was wrong to say what he did and he should apologize and explain his
words from the heat of battle, Oh... wait, he did that already. Ok then, all is
well lets move on... Sorry to hurt your fragile feelings Ute fan I think you
are reacting to the Loss and not these words spoken! Get over it Sally!
You are a complete Utah homer. Selective hearing. What about (LDS BOY) Morgan
Scalley and his totally viscious remarks about the Cougars a few seasons back or
(RM) Paul Krugers remarks last year. Or Reeds swing at Jan Jorgensen. There's
plenty of public talk on both sides. Utah is a great program, but no better
than BYU. Both sides need to stop the nonsense. GROW UP.
MWC officials naturally have to say something about Max Hall's critical
statement. It was uncalled for. However, I for one would like the universities
to do more to prevent hooliganism like Max referred to. A few hooligans are
giving sports a bad name and must not be allowed to get away with it.
The MWC said Hall violated rules 4.2-e and 4.4.5."4.2 Acts in
Violation of Sportsmanship Policy. Conduct by athletes, coaches and other
institutional athletics personnel who act in an unsporting manner is subject to
sanction. Violations of the Conference sportsmanship policy shall include, but
are not limited to the following: ...e. Publicly criticizing or
disparaging a game official, the Conference or its personnel, another
institution, a student-athlete or personnel of another institution."4.4.5 was too long to quote here, but lists the penalties for violation of
4.2-e. 1st offense is a public reprimand. Second is a one game suspension.
Subsequent offenses carry 2 game suspensions. There is a one year statute of
limitations--record is expunged if there are no offenses in the last year.
Won't help a senior, but public reprimand is the penalty for a first
offense--nothing more. I think that is appropriate.It is time to
move on and hope both teams beat their PAC Ten opponents in their upcoming
bowls--for the sake of the conference and football in Utah.
Awe this comment board is the epitome of hipocracy and irony. All the comments
from byu that anyone in the right mind would label as *classless* or *arrogant*
about how classless an arrogant the Utah fans are.
You've got to be kidding. Utah players talk off the field all the time. Alex
Smith just railed on BYU at a local school in front of the media within the past
year and said nearly the same thing Max Hall did. Quit playing the victim just
because you lost. Deal with it and move on.If Ute fans still need a
shoulder to cry on, George is available; he still has time before he needs to
run in for the winning touchdown!
I've got an idea. Bronco can send Max up the hill to put a nice fresh coat of
paint on the U. Let it go people.
Is it possible that someone above the age of 6 could actually write such a post?
And think that the taunt will somehow impress someone? Please don't tell me
that you're a BYU student or grad. Please be from Utah.
Give the dude a break.. People use the word hate all the time! People are acting
like he dropped an F bomb! Whatever makes you ute fans feel better about
losing.. Utah fans should be thanking Max Hall because it's giving all of the
UofU fans something to "cry wolf" about. Just bash on him a little more so it
makes that loss a little easier to bear.
When will the Mountain West Conference reprimanded for the horrible T.V.
coverage. They have much more on their hands then to worry about BYU.
So if your team gets 5 reprimands, do you pay a fine or something? I wouldn't
worry about it, Max. You're being reprimanded by the same pack of buffoons that
signed the ridiculous TV deal with The Mountain. Horrible camera work, horrible
picture quality, and Todd Christensen is the most annoying, arrogant announcer
in the history of college football. Yeah, Todd, you know much better than the
coaches on any given play. That's why you stopped perming your hair and now work
for the lamest sports network in the world. Got it.
Really you think that a player should be suspended for saying they hate their
rival school? REALLY? Wow, perhaps every player on both teams should be
suspended, oh wait I'm sure all those personal fouls on Saturday we're because
they love each other!
TRUE BLUE fan here, and I do NOT agree with Max's actions. Own the mistake,
don't justify it.
Max shouldn't have said what he said. Speaking up about the way his family was
treated is good, but saying the whole organization of Utah was unfair, and he
apologized for it. Should have cooled down before he spoke at all... That being
said, Utah fans and the media are overreacting to the whole situation. A little
forgive and forget should be in order. Hall made a mistake. The media is
paying way to much attention to a mistake made by a football player. The
rivalry also can't help with the media. If he had said that about Utah State,
there would have been a couple articles, but it wouldn't get the attention its
getting now. The media has blown it out of proportion. Shame on Max Hall for
saying it in the first place. Shame on the media for continuing to bring it up.
Where in the world can opposing players and their familes be assulted but at
RES? When are drunk, stupid and law breaking utes going to get arrested and
punished for their criminal behavior? Don't believe me, go to a game at RES and
see for yourself!
I think it's reprimandable to not accept an apology.
Newsflash!! Kyle's wife was given a fat lip by a "classy" BYU fan!! Guess who is
turning the other cheek and not saying anything publicly...hmmm...not Max
Hall...nope not even Bronco Mendenhall...nope not even the BYU football media
relations...Oh that's right! The "Classless" University of Utah.
I kind of laughed when I first heard Hall's comments because I know exactly what
element of Ute fans he's talking about (having attended a few rivalry games at
RES myself), but as a representative of BYU he shouldn't be saying that even if
he thinks it. I didn't take his original comments to mean anything more than
what he spelled out in his clarification, but he should have qualified his
initial comments rather than implicating the entire Utah organization.
Regardless of how true the comments are, they make BYU look bad. As a BYU fan,
it's frustrating to me that his comments are taking away from BYU's great win.
That said, we all know his corrected comments about "some" utah fans
are 100% true, so what's the big deal? If you felt physically angry when Hall
called ute fans classless then you take yourself way too seriously. In a few
years this will be just like the Lenny Gomes quote that people laugh about.
I'm not sure why Max thinks BYU was more deserving of the win than Utah? Is it
because he was the only senior on the field? Or is it because it was at home?
Max's sense of entitlement in this quote is so glaringly obvious.
Also, I'm not sure why more BYU fans aren't frustrated that Max lashed out at
BYU fans for saying "thanks to the loyal BYU fans who stuck with me"....are BYU
fans not allowed to criticize where criticism is due? Good thing Max doesn't
play for the Philadelphia Eagles, or in New York. Come on now Max, as a Ute
fan, I do believe you are a much better person than your comments reflect, but
this is bad brother. Both teams deserved to win the game, but only
one can. That said, not sure why Max thinks Utah didn't deserve to win the
I don't like BYU and I'm a big Utah fan but c'mon...this is ridiculous. Since
when is it mandatory to like other people or colleges...especially where sports
are concerned. It's what a rivalry is all about and it only makes it more
exciting and a more intense game for both sides. He shouldn't even have to
apologize for the way he feels. And obviously there is good reason for him to
feel the way he does...I'm sure that he was merely making a statement and
painting everyone in Utah with a broad brush. And I'm sure that if he were
interacting with any given respectful student or fan of the U of U, he wouldn't
actually hate them. I'm not offended and even though he shouldn't have to
apologize, I do respect him for making the gesture.
Totally unacceptable behavior. Words are like bullets, you can’t take
them back.I hear on a local radio station in San Diego, “Mormons vs
Mormons, can’t get better than that” . If Max is LDS, he has just
made a mockery of what we stand for…Christianity. Regardless of what Ute
Fans did to your family last year, (who were most likely not LDS if they were
pouring beer on them) shame on you for stepping down to their level. Matt. 18: 21-2221 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall
my brother sin against me, and I aforgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith
unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until aseventy times
To those BYU fans who recognize that Hall made a mistake and went to far, I
thank you for being reasonable. To all of you BYU fans who just feel like
ripping Utah apart, There have been few posts by Utah fans in this article and
you are still attacking them. A few Utah fans did something stupid, and it was
good of Max to express his feelings about the beer incident, but if you think
that people don't get verbally abused by BYU fans, you are highly mistaken.
Hall went to far when he decided to say he hated the whole school and everything
about it. The rude Utah fans could be 500 of the fans. That still leaves 14000
fans you are characterizing based on that small group.
If I were a BYU fan I wouldn't want Max to play in the bowl game because BYU has
a better chance at winning if Riley Nelson is playing.
no beer = less problems--very basic.
Yawn. Whatever. None of any of this changes the final score. Utah players say
they hate BYU all the time, so what? I hate the UofU too. Their fans are
annoying, their coach is a turn coat, I can't stand their fight song and red is
an ugly color. I know for a fact that a bunch of Utah fans would say the same
about BYU. So what? The real issue here is the conference.
Apparently the MWC is good at issuing quick, meaningless reprimands. Too bad it
can't get the conference some decent bowl affiliations or fix the horrendous
coverage on the Mtn.
I for one don't believe what Maxy claims about what happened to his family. I
have had season tickets for years and have seen my share of animosity toward
cougar fans. First, I don't believe the "beer poured on them" comment. You
cannot have beer in the stadium and if you are caught with it you are removed by
the police. You really think if beer had been poured on them it would not have
been reported and the fans ejected? Come on now. And somehow for a whole year
the incident is never mentioned and he only brings it up now? Typical cougar
honesty. He probably made it up in the hopes of taking the spotlight off of his
low class comment. The sad thing is that so many of you fall for it because you
want it to be true. Team attitudes usually reflect the attitudes of the coach,
and with Max's comments added to what Austin Collie has said in the past, it's a
pretty good bet what Bronco is teaching these kids.
As I read these, and other comments about the rant and the attending fallout,
the thing which continues to amaze me is that the fans of BYU don't even seem to
recognize the hypocrisy that is staring them in the face. A young man with the
supposed goals of honor, truth and compassion, should be held to those
standards. You can't rave about those standards and then ignore them with this
type of rant without expecting the fallout.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Why are we still talking about this?
I am a BYU fan and an alumnus of BYU but was very disappointed on the comments
of Max Hall. I understand being in the heat of battle and sometimes we say and
do things we regret and I appreciate the apology but whether you are LDS or
another Christian religion to use the word HATE and it was used several times,
is a word or action that we should have been taught not to feel or use. Also BYU
coaches should prepare Athletes on proper interviewing techniques and for Coach
Mendenhall to make the statement after the apology that I support and appreciate
Max and how He has dealt with the situation is crazy. I saw the interview and
the hate emotion towards the Univ. of Utah, Coaching staff and fans and it was
real and should be dealt with. Max should know better and I know Utah fans can
be obnoxious but so can BYU fans and fans from most schools. The whole situation
was handled very poorly by Max Hall and Coach Mendenhall and BYU.
as an aside to all of this, some of most dire anti max hall comments that i have
heard over the last couple seasons have come from the cougar faithful. my wife and i were at the game saturday at les wearing utah logo clothes and
caps, as guest of byu season ticket holders (our daughter in laws parents).
each time we cheered the few good ute plays were were sworn at, with several
off-color remarks made to my wife. there was some mild attempt at physical
intimidation.as walked back to the car, after the game, the in your
face jeering continued, as did the foul language. bad behavior does not only
happen at the utah stadium, and in both stadiums other fans just standby and
watch. am i making an excuse for what supposedly happened to hall's
family last season. not at all, and if it happened the people who did so should
have been punished. what is curious to me is why wait a year, and why does each
time hall tells his story it seems further embellished. if it was me, i would
have raised hell last year~~loudly and to everyone.
Shame on you! What Max did was dispicable, extremely selfish, and completely
and absolutely 100% against all our faith teaches. Your justification of his
behavior is absurd and embarrassing.
Max embarrassed BYU and the LDS church. Something must be done to reign in the
sportsmanship problems at BYU. If Bronco does nothing, I will assume he is part
of the problem.
Max Hall r u sure it was beer r is there sum underlining msg here. I'm a die
hard ute tailgater n season ticket holder, do u know how hard it is to sneak
beer in res. Ur such a joke jus like ur arrogant fans. This rivalry is at a new
level 4 the worst. Character is earned not given Hall. U suck@ QB and even more
I am a Utes fan, but nevertheless I apreciated the nail bitting game last Sat.
They are both good schools and I hate to hear all the talking about this and
that. Too much hate in the world already!! You guys that keeping proclaiming to
hate U of U are just hyprocrates. I would like to see you hurt and need of
medical attention and declining service because your attending doctor graduated
from UofU, by the way, one of the most prestigious medical university in the
Why keep quoting what Max Hall said? What did the league office say? Isn't it a
public statement? BYU should so something as well.
I'm so glad I graduated from Utah State University.
Here is a question for both Utah and BYU fans - what would you do if your wife
and mom were verbally and physically assaulted? Would you say nothing? Would you
defend them? This has NOTHING to do with football and everything to do with
common human decency and respect and assaulting two women after a football game
is as low as it gets. For those of you who say Max should have said nothing
perhaps you should look in the mirror and consider what your response would have
been. Defending ones family needs NO APOLOGY!!!
BYU fans cant grasp that they dont sell beer at RES so your boy Max is lying.
There are two sides to a story and im sure that Max's family is without fault.
I have been to games at both stadiums and fans get crazy or "classless" on both
sides. We can all give stories about crazies on both sides but it is time to
get over it. I could care less what Max Hall has to say about ute fans,
students, educators and alumnus because Max Hall is a clueless individual and
nothing that comes from his mouth is deserving of any thought to me. People who
think his actions or fans actions are bad have never been to a SEC game or a
soccer game in europe. time to get over it, on both sides.
People, no beer is sold at RES!!!! Get it through your heads!
In Utah, is it considered rude to throw beer on someone?
last time I checked Kyle Whitingham refused to issue ANY apology for the ugly
behavior of HIS fans. Perhaps Kyle is looking at his wife's fat lip and boiling
over with anger ...as he should!!! Perhaps also Kyle now understands a little
bit what Max has felt for an entire year!!
Hey B Whine U fans, have fun watching us play in our SECOND BCS Bowl Game this
year. In case you are keeping score:Boise 2 BCS BowlsBYU 0 BCS Bowls
Cougar Fan | 1:14 p.m. Nov. 30, 2009I don't like what Max Hall said, it
did detract from a great win. However, I do like Max Hall. He's a passionate KID
who made a poor decision.i am sorry, but 24 years old is not a
kid. hall said what he meant to say and he shouldn't be forced to apologize
because of it.what gets missed here is its a big rivalry and stuff
happens, most of it meaningless crap. noone should have beer poured on them or
sprite for that matter, or be sworn at or intimidated. for anyone
who thinks cougar fans never get out of hand, please join the real world.
verbal abuse of ute fans was rampant at les saturday, and much of it was
Everyone does realize that all the bagging on Max Hall now is exactly what he
did to the University of Utah. All those that call him classless for calling
someone or something else classless are themselves classless. Get over it.
Everyone has faults and do stupid things. If the 4th string quarterback had said
the same things I can tell you that we would not be hearing about it at all. Get
over yourself people.
anywhere a quote from a Utah player that they "hate" BYU's football program, the
players, the coaches, the fans, and the university in a PUBLIC FORUM. Comments
made in a lockerroom before a game or at practice between teammates could hardly
be compared to what Mr. Hall did. Also, the call for Utah coaches and
administrators to take care of a problem that occurred in Nov. of 2008 ? How
ridiculous !! " Hey Dallas you really need to do something about the safety of
the Presidents of our country in your city !!" This was gutless by Hall, and it
was calculated,planned, and executed with him knowing he would be reprimanded by
the MWC. Which is the equivilant of grounding a fat kid to guard the ice cream
Where was all the righteous indignation when the Utes made the same
comments.....Fact is if it had been a ute the response would be.....wait there
would be no response because that's just the way it is. Utah lost the game,
can't handle it and now can't face the music for their own boorish behavior.
Wine away ;
I'm glad Hall hates Utah. I think most of the BYU team hates Utah. Utah also
hates BYU. Why be so P.C.? I hate my neighbor and I want everyone to know it.
BYU shift to another conference and compete based upon the sports-program not
religious biggotry as frequently found locally.....just read several of the
BYU-haters every time an article is written here if you do not understand
this.Let Utah either remain in the MWC orshift to the WAC again and
stop this constant belly-aching about "The School Down South."Frankly, it appears both schools have pathetic, boorish fans........Then....let's see how the attendance of both schools does???
What Bronco needs to do is send him up the hill and put a fresh coat of paint on
that big U. Then they can discuss where he can send his first born. Give it up
Max really is a righteous and awesome person.
Max Hall said it and was reprimanded, but what he said is/was true. Whittingham
should be held personally responsible for not taking charge of a situation out
of control. Utah fans and the MWC are angry at Max for telling the truth, not
for telling a lie. The UofU and MWC officials fail again.
People are getting mad at Max Hall for saying these comments, but where were the
reprimands last year when all of these incidents were happening? Yeah it was
wrong for Hall to generalize but his assault was just words. The fans of Utah
used physical assault. There is the real problem.
To all the BYU fans posting that Halls family had to be escorted by police,
could you please provide the link or article where that is mentioned. I am not
suggesting you are lying or passing on gossip to help yourselves feel better,
but this is new news. I didn't read it in Dick Harmons article and surely he
wouldn't let an opportunity to disparage the Utes go by. I just want to be able
to read the facts, not some allegation. And please don't quote Hall. His
credibility is not particularly great today. And to the poster who supports
Kyles wife being assaulted, how bout we just turn that on you. We should all be
as mature and respectful as you. I'm sure your family is very proud of your
suggesting. After all the world is your classroom and you are doing your best
to teach your brand of ignorance and cowardice to the world. And finally, Max
finally found a way to get some national exposure. Too bad it had to be this
way. His legacy of winning games will unfortunately only be remembered by a
few. Magic Happens.
You obviously don't know what embarrassment is. The Utes are the embarrassment.
re: utes=hypocrites | 1:07 p.m. Nov. 30, 2009Correction. K Whit's
wife was phyically hit in the face by a BYU fan in LES Saturday. And he did not
go on a tirade blaming that incident on the entire BYU organization. He stayed
classy, and has refused to comment.Whit/Utah = ClassBYU/Max/Bronco = Talk a good game, then contradict everything they say with a
situation like this.----------Its funny that some UTE fan can talk
about classy while lying about what happened to Kyles wife. The reason he did
not comment is because it was an accident, which is also why very little was
said about it in the press. I think the spit and the beer were not accidental.
I accept the apology and am glad he slammed the ignorant and anti-LDS fans at
RES. I’ve been to several Utah v BYU games and I’m tired of seeing
my own Utah fans with degrading signs towards the LDS church, alcohol in the
stadium, and disgusting language. Like it or not, the U is heavily influenced
by members of the LDS church. Look at the student body and key leaders running
the school. If you’re one of those bad apples, stay home, that’s
not what the U stands for.
Saying this team is dirty or Block are dirty - Like Jorgenson should be
reprimanded - because it is slander. Saying you hate someone is not slander -
It is how he feels. Hall Hates the Utes - Who Cares. I am sure many of the
Utah Football teams hates BYU. How can you punish some for having a feeling.
What is going on here.
That is not an apology, but a mere attempt to justify his actions. A one line
"I apologize for anything I may have said that demeaned the university or its
fans" would have been much more appropriate. It also would've represented BYU
values better (turn the other cheek, not excuse one's behavior). Sad, first his
hatred, now his pride and ego.
Hall I can't even explain how happy we are that you are graduating. You taking
the focus off the seniors on senior night was one of the most petty and selfish
things you could of done.Cougs 3-1Now what yoots?
If I was Max Hall I think I'd stay outta SLC until after he graduates. If he
gets caught down there by some avid Utah fans he might not make it back to happy
valley in one piece!
Max Hall's comments detracted from a well deserved victory over the Utes and
took away the glory from his own teammates. He might have also hurt his own
professional chances in the NFL as his comments can only hurt and not help him.
He and he alone will have to deal with the consequences of his actions. As for
his apology, I accept it and let's all move on. We have all put our foots in
our mouths before. I can understand why he was upset and I am sure he wished he
had said something differently but let's not ruin his life forever.
Some fans get out of line, obviously those who attacked Max Hall's family
crossed the line. Sadly, it happens every year from BOTH sides. How are we going
to solve this problem? It has to come from fellow fans, if someone is being a
jerk and going too far then we have to call our own side out and put an end to
it. An opposing fan is not going to be able to do it effectively.If
you think your school has class then expect it from yourself and be proactive in
monitoring those wearing the same color you are.
Max did not comment in behalf of the Church or BYU. His comments were his
alone, and he is responsbile for them. He did not speak for all Mormons, or BYU
fans -- as we have seen by the posts. If Max were speaking in behalf of the
Church or BYU, he would have made an official, endorsed, statement. Those
rarely happen, and when they do, it is by an official, approved spokesperson.
So -- this was the feelings and opinions of Max Hall. So what? Don't we all
have our own feelings -- regardless of what they are based upon? I imagine if
the press had stuck a microphone in front of a random Ute or BYU fan, similar
comments would have been made. Let it go.
Hall just all but guaranteed a slaughter in RES next year. Enjoy Vegas and
second place and we will proudly accept third and Sand Diego (rebuilding
year).BYU = zero class & hypocrisy!!!
I took my 8 year old son to RES 3 years ago and sat amongst Ute fans - like I do
every week. I have been attending Ute games for 40 years. I was totally
embarrassed to be a Ute Fan because of a few fans in that section. What they
were saying was totally offensive and way over the line. Not all Ute fans are
classless, but there are plenty who are. And I dare say there are more
classless Utes than Cougars. I've been treated pretty fairly by Cougar fans
when I attend at LES.
A loss is a loss Utah. It dosen't matter what Max said. You lost and this is the
only thing you have to complain about. As far as classy, not very much from
Hall, except his apology had class....I'm still waiting for Morgan Scalley to
apologize for what he said. The reprimand pretty much just slapped hall's hand.
Good for Hall.
What a hypocritical Ute fan. Complaining about how big, mean Max Hall beat you
and then told you that he doesn’t like you. Deal with it you crybaby
it’s a game, and BYU WON!!!!!!
If BYU would get off the pedestals they have put themselves on, people wouldn't
be so outraged. BYU is just like all others, part good and part bad. No one is
perfect. This is just one example. The secret is out--you are like all others
and can lose your cool.
Bronco needs to get his boys under control. Jorgensen and a coach reprimanded
last week for remarks made about Air Force and then Hall for comments about
Utah. BYU does not see to like anybody and the coach does not have control!
Bragging rights are bragging rights. Max earned the right to talk trash about
Utah by beating them where it matters: on the field. Nothing gives anyone the
right to physically assault someone's family though. That's why Max said the
Utes are classless and that's why they are. I never heard about the Utes
looking into the matter, finding those responsible and properly punishing them
(banned for life from football games sounds appropriate). By not doing anything
to protect, prevent and after the fact punish that kind of physical abuse
cougars routinely face at RES, the University and football program are condoning
the beer throwing and other abuse. Max was right, and didn't stoop to their
I agree this shouldn't go on ANYWHERE. But you need to realise there was a
difference in Max Hall's comments and Morgan Scalley's. Scalley's remarks were
not intended for the media or the fans, they were in the locker room to get the
team up for the game.I agree that they shouldn't need junk like this
to get up for the game, but there is a difference between the rhetoric a team
leader uses in the privacy of the locker room to fire up players and saying
stuff like this in a post game interview you KNOW will be broadcast to the
public and the people you HATE, just to HURT THEM.
I'm disappointed BYU didn't take action before the MWC did.
I have read these comments and would like to comment on them more than I would
on Max Hall's criticisims of the U of U. I can understand his frustration of
how his family was treated, etc.But, it seems that everyone
commenting on this issue has failed to see the true perspective. Are we living
"an eye for an eye, or are we "turning the other cheek.Max Hall
needs to forgive and we need to forgive Max Hall.
Re: Cougar KiethI have a problem with the phrase you used stating
that the "fans caused Max to make the statement he made".Nobody
makes you do anything. Otherwise the principle of agency would have no
validity.That's right I live in Vegas, and I listen to conference,
and believe it or not I'm a Ute.I think Max needs to the listen to
the conference talk on Anger.Most of the problems of this world are
associated with the need of men to feel justified. I understand the principle of
justification, I don't think his rant applied.If he truly holds
himself to a higher standard, which I like to think I do, then his comments were
outrageous.The comments that both he made Saturday and Collie made 2
years ago regarding "miracles" give the BYU program a black eye.Whatever happened to sportsmanship, or being gracious in victory.Please Bronco / Whitt, help is needed.
What is classless? It is when you win and then start explaining why you deserved
the win more than the other side, because that the other-side is worthless. The
University of Utah is an excellent school and has many excellent programs. Why
on earth would any team-member, after already winning the game, have to turn
around and say that he hated the entire school that he just played. It is
stupid, immature, and silly. Anyone who could actually support that type of
behavior and gloat about it is making BYU look even less credible.
If Hall plans on playing ball at the next level, he'd better get a spine and get
his family prepared as well. Once someone knows your weakness, you are fodder.
Never let them see you sweat, Max.
Max Hall means nothing to me. He'll have a nice wake up call when he leaves the
The thing that is not being talked about is the fact that max hall is so easily
flustered. He has played poorly in every big game that byu has played in his
career with the slight exception of a 5 loss oklahoma team. (He played good on
the last drive that mattered most) He obviously is easily unnerved and is
immature in dealing with adversity!! I think despite the success the program
has had with hall at quarterback most fans are ready for a change!!!
First of all I know we are terrible and both Utah and BYU kicked our butts. Our
basketball team is off to a 5-0 record. We have season tickets and my son and I
watched both blow outs. The BYU fans were a little annoying with their "another
Courgar 1st down" and their fight song, maybe because we heard it so much. On
the other hand the (some) Utah fans ( and we do sell beer here)were not only
drunk because we have them to, but their language and their insults were so bad
I had to ask them please not to say that in front of my son and I was told to F
off right in front of my son. Even when the game wasnt even close and Utah
kicked out butts. They continued to be rude. Im sure their are alot of classy
Utah fans and not all were that way, but I think the line was crossed when they
had no respect for children of any religion. Again, im a REBEL and not a UTAH or
BYU fan, but BYU fans over all in both blow outs were better.
It sounds like you are the one crying. Max will throw 3 interceptions and fumble
twice in the bowl game...BLAH BLAH BLAH..that's all we heard all last week from
the ewes,it didn't happen did it?You say We will win our bowl game and BYU will
lose...so what, we beat the yewts again. 3 out of 4 baby...scoreboard!
To Bryan and nameless who directed their comments to me at 1:09,you won't find a
bigger BYU fan then me. I bleed Cougar Blue. My youngest's first words were
"touchdown" I have a California plate that reads,"BYUFBAL". I am a native of
Utah. I tried out as a walk on in 1984. I took my 2 year old daughter to the
first ESPN broadcast of Thursday night football and she was shown on camera
followed by a Longhorn baby. I have traveled many times to Provo from So. Cal to
watch the games. Don't call me a supposed fan. I have been to games where I have
had beer spilled on me and profanity hurled at me for wearing BYU blue.(SDSU,
USC, UCLA). I agree that Max has done well for BYU. Unfortunately his classless
act will be the only thing that most fans will remember him for. He has damaged
the reputation of my school and my team. I was a big fan of Max and defended him
through all his inconsistencies until this caused me to do a 180. Now man up and
do the same.
Let's get real! Hall was expressing his opinion/feelings about something he
felt very strongly about. This smacks of "political correctness", which is way
out of control in this country. It seems no one is free to express an opinion
without having everyone jump down their throat! It is just a game, for goodness
sake! Hall was simply speaking his mind. Let it go and give people the right
to express themselves. This whole thing is ridiculous!
This just goes to show that BYU is the cream of the crop. They are held to a
higher standard. All the Ute comments from the past are laughed off with a grain
of salt. Max says one thing in the heat of the moment WITH HIS PADS STILL ON and
is held up as gospel. Little brother syndrome at it's finest.
Kyle Whittingham is a Mormon too. Do his profanity-laden rants on the sidelines
(we can read lips too, you know) embarrass the LDS Church?Why is it
that Mormons who go to BYU are held to a higher standard than Mormons who go to
the U? Does the Church give a free pass to bad behavior if you don't sign an
Honor Code?If so, I wish I had known this while I attended Weber
State. Oh, the fun times I could have had!
Worse than if he had been on the field. All those years of training, and this
is what he has to show for it?Quite a memorable "last play"...
Don't the fans of each team sit on oppisite sides of the field to reduce this
kind of stuff? Did this happen out in the parking lot? Do the teams have to
park where they will come in contact with the other side? Maybe some of the
solution could be found in the logistics.
Hall's rant was about his disdain for those Ute fans and officials who through
action or inaction allowed the verbal, physical, and visual abuse (much of which
was of a sexual and anti-religious nature) aimed at Max's wife and family. The
acts were premeditated as shown by the items used which are not common to a
football game. The lack of an apology by the Ute organization and its supporters
including the football team and coaches augmented the lack of class to which he
referred. He held his emotions in for a year, pretty amazing. Go Max!
To: fake as they come, So like many others I am wondering just how you live with
yourself. Max's wife and children were clearly victims of "Assault and Battery."
They were clearly abused verbally and then attacked. Then your have the audacity
to provide us with your tripe. What really needs to happen is at the
administrative level. Get the fans under control................
throw the first stone to what Hall, said, any of utah fans that believe what
Hall has said is not true. He has the right to his opinion. You are free to
express your freedom of speech, as much as utah fans to theirs, I do not care
about the Mwc silly thoughts priod.
Re: Kyle's wife should be... | 1:30 p.m. Nov. 30, 2009 Fat lip?
Really? She was telling everyone and anyone who would listen. I watched her
retelling the story several times to the media people around her. She was 30
feet from me. Didn't see it and didn't see a fat lip. If that happened, that is
I hope whoever BYU plays in their bowl game see's what kind of a person Max Hall
is and lays him on the field hard enough that he has to be taken off on the golf
MAX EMBARRASSED NO ONE The man was emotional and honest based on his
experiences. Holy Cow, the guy isn't 60 years of age, he's 24 or 25, and after
taking it on the chin from the very charitable yutz fans for his turnovers in
the rivalry game, he got it out of his system. I applaud him. The yutz are good
losers but horrible winners. One would think that you could be happy with last
year's win, NO, you had to rub it in as if you expected to get blown out but due
to Max's errors you whipped the Cougars. Give yourself credit for 2008, remember
the win, it could be the last one in a very long time. It' Heap's time baby.
see Desert News Associated press Nov 30 2009 1:37 pm mst COURT WON'T REVIVE
STUDENTS SUIT OVER GRAD SPEECHjUDGES SAY THE SCHOOL DIDN'T VIOLATE
HER RIGHTS because her remarks were school-sponsored RATHER THAN PRIVATE
SPEECH.Max was not allowed to speak simply because he was a private
citizen in the area. The event was school sponsored and so was the speech
...see above Supreme Court. President/Coach MAX was your mouth piece hence
your teams and schools "SPONSORED SPEECHGO BOWLING RILEY NELSON GOO BYU
I don't think a verbal repremand is enought. I think he should be sidelined or
suspended. I alsothink they should not go to a bowl with their attitude,
and temperment. Just suspended byu for the rest of the year and maybe next
year. thank you
who are calling for Max to be suspended from the bowl game are really
rediculous. Their QB a few years ago had sex abuse charges against him and he
not only played in the bowl game, but the BYU game as well. Free speech vs sex
abuse, get a clue uties. Instead of talking about Max's comments,
why not try to figure out why your secondary implodes at crunch time 3 out of
the last 4 years.
Max Hall is embarrassing BYU alumni everywhere. Please don't give Max Hall the
microphone again. Also, you know where Max said all week that he forgot about
last year's game? Riiight......Max had his feelings hurt so bad
last year he couldn't wait for this year's game. Good thing he eeked out the
win over a Freshman in OT, in his own house.
Love the comment. It puts things in perspective (unless your an uneducated
cougar fan!)Magic Happens
Max Hall may have made too much of a blanket statement, but we all knew what he
meant when he said it. To all of the Utah fans that are LDS, I have never seen
you take a stand and stop the garbage that goes on in RES when BYU plays there.
No one said anything when the blow up doll of Max's mom was held up with a sign
accompanying it. No one stopped the screaming of "where is your God now?" to
Collie last year. You all sit in the stands and laugh as you watch the blue
collar losers do what losers do. Take a stand and say something some time. I
know that if my wife and mother were treated like Max's, it would take a small
army to stop me from going after them. Way to be a man and have courage Max.
Just next time, make sure it is directed to the right people so that thin
skinned people can't react and act like they don't know what you are saying or
that it directed at them!! Go cougars.
Wah, Wah, Wah. So what. Max speaks his mind. He clarifies his statements and it
becomes even MORE clear what loser some Utah fans are at RES. Beer on family?
Wow. The real losers here are the Ute Fans. Max's "apology" is on the front page
of ESPN.com and it is an even WORSE indictment of the Utah losers and how they
act in the stands.Hopefully this is a wake up call to the loser Ute
fans - and loser BYU fans that act out badly in their respective stadiums. Max felt he had a beef. From what I have read, he does have a beef. Ute
fans + Beer in RES = Major Idiots.Shame on you all.
Who cares about any of this! 26-23! That is all that matters! Both sides have
done classless things over the years. This happens in every rivalry. In Max's
defense, I'd hate Utah too for fans doing what they did to his family. Wait, I
already hate Utah. Max just said what every BYU fans dies to say.
Big deal. Let it go now.
As a SOB Wyoming fan who has been to a lot of WYO UTAH games, and to a lot of
WYO BYU games, BYU fans are far worse, more obnoxious, smug, and rude than they
ever are in SLC
Sounds all too much like a case of roid rage. He should be ready for the NFL
I love what he said! maybe it should not have been towards the whole school and
program, but even a lot of utah fans are embarrassed how utah fans act!Most Utah fans claim they like Utah just because they hate BYU! get over it
MWC commissioners should place a ban on all use of the term "holy war". It is
the sports journalist equivalent of scatilogical humor, but the media blatantly
profiteers from aggravating and enflaming hate. Just as they are loving this
latest tempest in a teapot. It sells papers.BTWI also think
those condeming Hall (Ute and Cougar) for being angry that his family was
attacked are a bit more than just "holier than thou" hypocrites.When
turning the other cheek disintigrates into a form of masochistic martyrdom; it
is even more unhealthy than hate. Hall has a right to be angry as do we all
when injustice occurs: It is what you do with it that counts. Hall could have
been more eloquent, but he is a 24 year old man - give him a break - could most
of us do any better than he has at that age - I think not. Forgiveness is far
more important than being right.
His punishment should be to have to watch a MTN broadcast of a game and have to
listen to Todd Christiensen butcher the english language. Good thing that there
were so few pass completions because we didn't get to see many of them on TV.
The MWC should repremand the Mtn for classless broadcasting.
My kids always apoligize when they realize they might get something taken away.
Hall needs to get a thicker skin. People have been treated far worse than him
in this life but they are no where near as bitter. Why didn't we hear about
this incident with Hall's family last year after the game? Seems be amazing
that Hall held it in all year long but then couldn't contain himself for 5 more
minutes in front of the press corps. They have pics of Whittingham's family
being attacked by a BYU fan...Utah fans attacking Hall's family...no evidence
except for Hall saying it happened.Hall could have said the same
thing without using the word "hate" over and over...maybe "I will always be a
Cougar and thank my lucky stars I went to BYU instead of Utah" or "BYU is where
I went by choice and it has a winning tradition that outshines any football
program in the state...I am glad to go out a winner against our biggest rivals".
Good work Max during the game and after. It looks as though local press's only
response is shoot the messenger.
I guess the most surprising comment I have heard so far was from a lady who
assured everyone that there was no beer sold in RES, which is true, and then
continued that no beer was brought into the stadium. Honest!! She actually
said that. What needs to happen is that Utah actually enforce their policy and
block as much as possible at the gate but also remove any drinking (beer,
alcohol), drunk or abusive people from the stadium.BYU has a new
deal this year at their stadium. From your seat in the stadium you can quietly
text for assistance if you having any problems or being harassed in any way.
Security will then act and do what is needed, as appropriate.A real
good idea that the Utah administrators should look at also.
win or lose utah/byu the Y's leader has ruined the enjoyment of your victory.
sham on you you max hall. its sad to say you will be known as the infamous max
hall. instead of the great leader you could have been noted for. live and learn
Hey everyone....what Morgan Scalley said was in PRACTICE, in the locker room in
front of his own team....NOT in front of the entire media. You don't think both
Utah and BYU players say these things to eachother all the time in practice
about the other schools? Come on people, wake up! There is a huge difference
between Max Hall and Scalley - Hall's was public, was a sweeping statement and
was said with every possible reporter in front of him. Scalley's was not.
Hence the reason there was no firestorm following Scalley's statements.I'm going to cheer for Utah State from now on.
Firstly Hall should be fined, or something for his classless tirade at the end
of the game, and then again an hour later. Yes, I am a BYU fan, and yes I am
appalled at his over the top performance after BYU had already won. I have a
great idea:Play these Utah vs BYU games at neutral venue - or behind
closed doors with only the press invited. Do this for a season or two and send
the message to ALL classless acts, be they Utah fans, BYU fans or even
Yeah, and outside food and drink aren't allowed at LES or movie theaters either,
but they both get in in abundance. Nice try, but maybe you can think things
through a little bit before you comment.There is all sorts of
alcohol being consumed at RES. I've seen it. To deny it is to be either naiive
or a complete liar.
Max didn't even complete his mission, if he is not worthy to serve a mission,
why is he worthy to play QB at BYU? Nice double standard Bronco.
Who really cares about what Hall says.
Oh what a proud people we have become! And who is really behind all of this
contention, anyway? Quit pointing fingers at each other and get over it
already. Grow up people!
I thought we were living in America where we have free speech? I guess were in
Lesson learned: talk is not ok. Throwing beer and spitting is fine.
that was classless brother hall!!!!!
So many cougar fans claiming beer was splashed on them. They don't even sell
beer in RES and it is very very difficult to sneak it in. So how do all these
fans get splashed by beer? How do all these BYU (LDS) fans know what beer
smells/looks like? Oh yeah, they must be the students hangin in the SLC/Park
City bars. Ha Ha
Taken at it's very essential basis, Max is right, UU is a classless
organization. And, yes, he hates them. A fact. And he's reprimanded?
Max realized that he had made a mistake. There are many Utah fans that are not
inebriated belligerent dunces who actually graduated from the institution and
don't disdain the church. It is hard to spot us in that crowd. The
sad thing is that he(max) just poured gas on the fire and it will probably get
much worse.Go to a game with a friend and you don't pay attention to the
trash. Take your daughter to a game and you realize just how bad it really is.
Utah football is definately not family friendly.
Things happened a year ago at Utah that Max felt were unresolved. As a result
he has let them fester and out of anger said and acted in a way that is both
embarrassing and disappointing for BYU fans and the school. I think BYU needs
to step up and resolve the situation this year. Max needs to be reprimanded. A
school that builds character, needs to help this character resolve his problems.
Winning a game does not correct hate in the heart. Come on BYU be the example
of building and correcting character in a timely manner.
You have to cut BYU some slack. I think BYU is so disappointed in their
football program. BYU has to watch us go to our second BCS bowl this year,
while BYU has never been to a BCS bowl. It must be hard being a Cougar fan.
As a lifelong BYU fan, I have to say that i'm truly embarrassed by Max Hall.
What a disgrace to have had him represent the Y with his comments. I got to
become friends with Ty Detmer this summer at Charity events and would never in
my lifetime put Max and Ty in the same category. We couldn't get
rid of Max sooner. As for the Ute fans who give the U of U a bad rap, so be it.
They aren't going to change, and neither are our ridiculous fans. I almost
took my 6 year old to the game with me and it would've been an embarrassment to
have him listen to the fan comments back and forth between our fans and the
"f-bomb" dropping Utes. Lastly, I don't understand how any BYU fan
could back Max up on his comments. He could've turned his final post-game
remarks around to showcase himself in a postive light. He could've said how
great it felt to win in his last game at LES. What a missed opportunity. Go
Cougars, (the ones with class!!!)
What is crazy to me is the simple fact that some not all BYU fans are defending
Max for his loss of composure. Let's not defend the wrong. Was it wrong for the
incidents last year? Yes. Some good comments on ESPN about the alleged
incident. However what BYU did is what was expected. They were favored to win
by 8. Anytime Utah is favored they blow out BYU. When BYU is favored by any
amount they barely win. A win is a win I guess and even sometimes that isn't
enough. Unless you judge an entire group of people. Move on and let the ball
bounce the way it may.
Sports is the "controlled" flow of testosterone (even female sports with the
partial exception of the beauty sports like gymnastics although that is changing
quickly). Naturally, the ability to control that flow is frequently lost. In the
case of Max Hall, he just let it flow a bit much. It has happened many times in
many forums, but Max represents a school that is supposed to be above the fray.
Sadly, BYU often falls short of the higher bar that has been set for it. No one
expects Ute fans to be above it. If beer had been poured on Ute fans at BYU,
well, that would really be something wouldn't it.
so long to max as you leave your byu career as a donkey. win or lose you will
always be known as a donkey. sorry to say good ridence max and would like to say
the pendelton was awesome. he was the man!!!! It was defense that won the game
and I think Riley should play in the bowl. Max hasn't being doing well in bowls
and it is time to give someone with a future a try, besides, the school needs to
distance itself from the hate. Sure Utah fans are not good, but when asked about
criticism of his performance, her responded by expressing his hatred of
everyone. Not a good missionary!
Take a look at the pictures on this website. As they say, a picture says a 1000
words. Just in case you are inept in finding it, the BYU fan is grabbing Mrs.
Whittingham by the arm while another person is pulling him back away from her.
Assault, I would say yes, fat lip, just the media account. Check your facts
before questioning someone else's account.
WOOO can't wait for those "Max is my hero" t-shirts to come out!
This is just too much fun! On the one hand, we have these pathetic, self
righteous BYU fans trying to “out righteous” each other by piously
seeing who can express the most indignation against Hall. On the other hand, we
have these sniveling, cry baby Utes who feign shock that someone would dare use
the “hate” word against them! I got my popcorn here while reading
these posts…what a silly bunch of whiners! And to think that I don’t
even have to pay for a ticket to watch this best “dang” comedy of
BYU should reprimand Hall for honor code violations. Is what their students are
like or taught to be? Vengeful and full of hate?Hall should have
kept quiet and have a little more class.
The gig of whole thing is this...whether or not you are the official spokeman or
not, matters not. You are paid by a University to play sports, but virtue of
your stipend (CASH), tuition, housing, books, travel and perks. You should
represent them and your team with honor. It doesn't matter if it is a public
school or a private church owned school. Do your job. If the ownership of your
University teaches infallability, then you are then held to their standards. So
like it or not you just put your opinion out there for 20 million church goers
of your school to be judged by your words. This will be generational, don't
expect it to go away for 20 years. Just because polygamy was officially
stopped, the University ownership group is still judged by it 100 years later.
Thanks BYU QB
I always enjoy your sincere posts about "yutz" and "uggies". Your comments
continually remind me why I have little respect for the y.Perhaps
after you finish your paper route tonight you and Max can hang out and wonder
why you get no respect.
To all posters who like to write things like "move on already" or "let it go,
it's only football" or "get a life" or "go spend time with your family" etc.:1) YOU move on. This is interesting stuff. 2) It's obvious
to everyone that you are secretly eating this up, or you wouldn't even be here.
To Surprising Comment: FYI, the U of U already has a program in place to text
for assistance or call for security if fans are unruly. In fact, at our last
home game, two fans sitting a couple of rows in front of us were removed at the
start of the second half - never to return. So don't think the U of U isn't
doing anything to get rid of the problem fans! There is no excuse for any fan
of any college or university to "hate" anyone - no matter what the situation is.
Max would have been a much better winner if he would have gloated over the win
rather than refer to ALL UTE FANS and the organization, etc. etc. as classless.
Shame on him.
With everything in life there is always someone that is self-serving and thinks
only about the moment. A few so called Utah fans last year did something that
effected all of Utah and BYU fans. This year someone hurt Coach Whittingham's
wife with the celebration at BYU. Max put him self at their level. I thought
Max was above that and I guess he is not. Let us be thankful he is will not be
back next year.With the self-serving so called fans they should be
banned from future games. Throw beer and insults on them selves at home
watching the game on TV I say. Football is just a game. It is sad
that we the fans, must now police the games and get rid of the self-serving
Gomers. If we get enough of these Gomers out of the statium and make them watch
the games from a TV, the better it will be for the rest of us who love to see a
great game live win or lose.
This may seem harsh but I think Max should be benched for the bowl game. He
needs to be disciplined somehow and not just slapped on the wrist.
First he had no right to take the disrespect of a few fans and place that on an
entire organization! And those of you who are encouraging that are NUTS! Because
you know darn well there are some pretty NASTY BYU fans as well. Really people
you cant blame an organization for a few fans! GET OVER IT move on it was a year
ago. You think its bad now? Max just poured gas on the fire! Lets act like
adults and Play football! And his apology was lame, Im glad he got reprimanded,
Football is a rough and roudy sport people! GET OVER IT!
"BYU has a new deal this year at their stadium. From your seat in the stadium
you can quietly text for assistance if you having any problems or being harassed
in any way. Security will then act and do what is needed, as appropriate. A real
good idea that the Utah administrators should look at also"Already
in place and being used at the U.
I agree, I'd be happy to see Riley play in the Bowl. It gives BYU a chance to
show they are serious about sportsmanship, and it gives Riley a chance to show
his stuff. It's a great deal in my mind. Max only had one really great quarter
this game anyway.@crazySomeone above mentioned his horror that
BYU fans could actually be defending Max. Here's the question to ask yourself,
bro: If I (and my family) had been subjected to the kind of taunts and verbal
abuse that his family had across the time he was the quarterback would I have
done the same thing?I don't know what the answer to that question
is, but I don't think it's an easy one. Further, you sound super judgmental,
are you sure you don't go to the Y?
I don't see anything wrong with someone stating his opinion here. And look he
even apologized, but who cares?The real story should be keeping the
fans on both sides under control. The fans are really the ones that make the
rivalry more nasty. The small minority of bad fans make all the good fans look
bad.Next time you see a fan from your own team do something dumb,
open your mouth and do something about it. Everyone has turned into innocent
bystanders, if you see it happen and let it happen you're not innocent and you
damage your school's reputation!
Utah lost the game and dosen't get to go to a BCS. bowel game. Poor souls, now
you need someone to take it out on.Perhaps you will lose some of your egotism
and clean up your own house before crying so much and completly ignoring their
own misbehaving. Its like "a piece of coal calling the stove black"Shame
on Max and on the Ute fans in genereal. They want to live a double standard.You just can't stand to have to swallow all your pride and negative remarks
all year long about how you were going to wallup BYU on Nov 28. Get over it, it
was only a gamb and Max dispite it all can stand taller than the slobs that
throw beer and spit. on people just because they are a BYU fame, Shame!shame
for the second consecutive year max is the second-best quarterback in the MWC.
for the second consecutive year, the guy above him will be going to the BCS.
Poor max. such an angry young man. We should all pity him. his outbursts will
prevent him from holding down a job once his football career is over.
Is it just me or did Max sound like Annakin Skywalker when he shouted to Ben
Kanobe "I hate You!" Careful Maxie your falling to the Dark Side....You need
council from YODA! HAHA
"What needs to happen is that Utah actually enforce their policy and block as
much as possible at the gate but also remove any drinking (beer, alcohol), drunk
or abusive people from the stadium."Let's see they search bags,
carried coats and blankets of everyone entering the stadium Short of doing a
pat down, which I'm sure would encounter several problems, they are trying to
block as much as possible. And in my years as a season ticket holder I have seen
several fans removed.
I can't wait for next year!
I am so sad for Max Hall's comment. Granted he helped BYU to a good season, he
turned out to be a "classless athlete" with his use of those words and that is
appalling. I am hoping that BYU will continue to do well with a new QB. To Utes...what can I say. Next year will be an exciting rivalry again.
Anybody who thinks Hall should be suspended for the bowl game is a flat-out
moron. Let he who has had Ute fans simulate sex acts on a blow-up doll with his
mother's name on it cast the first stone.When is Matt Asiata going
to be reprimanded for causing a fight on the field with fans? What a thug.When is Kyle Whittingham's wife going to be reprimanded for jumping on a
guy's back and hitting him because he was holding her son, who had grabbed his
blackberry and thrown it into the stands? Then she plays the victim because she
inadvertently caught an elbow???Where's Morgan Scalley's reprimand
for what he said about BYU in 2004?It's a football game, people. Get
It's better to say nothing and be thought of as a fool than to speak and remove
Kyle's wife should be assaulted | 12:57 p.m.What a class act YOU
are!To even insinuate that Kyle's wife SHOULD be assaulted??? You
are aware that she was injured by an irrate BYU fan before the game Saturday
aren't you? Maybe you should listen to the news and quit posting obsurd stuff
like "Kyle's wife should be assaulted".Utah may have been in the
wrong LAST YEAR... but Max Hall is obviously in the wrong THIS YEAR.Your attempt to pat Max on the back and say, "That's OK they deserved it", and
then try to turn MAX the offender into the VICTIM!!!You take the
cake, as far as silly postings I've read today.I'm not saying the U
is without blame (we all know that's not the case). But to justify what MAX did
in ANY way.... or worse yet, to turn it and twist it so Utah is the bad buy and
somehow FORCED Max to say his hate-filled remarks is just plain dumb and low
class if you ask me.
So his family was assaulted a year ago--they were spit on and had beer thrown at
them. This apparently was so extreme that the police needed to provide
protection to them. I wonder how such a clear case of assault and public
intoxication was ignored by the police--especially at a DRY CAMPUS. I have
attended several games at Rice Eccles and have never seen use of alcohol
tolerated, EVER. I have seen several people turned away from the gates, and
even from lingering outside of the stadium, for being intoxicated. I have seen
staff and police alike continually monitor the crowd for signs of disruptance
and I have seen a no tolerance policy for any behavior that would put a person
in jeopardy. If the University needs to apologize and reprimand these
mysterious fans for the problems they caused a year ago, should the police be
reprimanded as well? Apparently they failed to do their job as well. Do we
hate them too? Are they classless? Or could it be that just perhaps, Max's
"heart" got the best of him and he's taking a minor incident and exaggerating it
as fuel for his hatred?
I love how all these BYU fans post about the hypocrisy that the Utes have but
tend to ignore the fact that it goes both ways. In all my years following
college teams I have never been treated with the open hostility that I
experience in LES. I have had soda and bags of trash thrown on me more than
once for merely walking by wearing red. Actions like this are inexcusable by
either side, but please don't try to pretend it isn't done by BYU fans too. The
sad reality is that Max Hall doesn't just get to represent himself when he
speaks; he represents the team, the school, and the Church- of which,
incidentally, most UofU students are also a member. Coach Mendenhall needs to
send a message to his team that this behavior is unacceptable.
As I have loved you,love one another.
I guess Max just got the ball rolling for those how LOVE to HATE.
In reality BYU didn't beat Utah, Utah beat themselfs!
To Max Hall,Apology accepted. What we did to your family was
unacceptable and we weill make every attempt in next year's game to treat BYU
fans with respect deserving of our main rival. Until next year...Oh, wait, that would be the mature thing to do. Just kidding. We'll keep
acting like the children in men's bodies that we really are...Audios
until next year, when we can REALLY make your life miserable in RES...
What Max said about the baseless, crude, and insensitive behavior of SOME Ute
Fans was justified and needed to be said. I no longer take my family or friends
to UTE Football games due to the rowdiness and off the wall behavior of SOME
drunken UTE Fans.Where was the MWC When Meyer & his players said
they hated BYU. It was noticeably absent in reprimanding or condemning both the
words and the locker-room antics of Urban and/or his UTE players. It has also
failed to not similar hate comments from some of Whit's football playersHaving personally experienced SOME UTE FANS' behavior described by MAX
HALL in RES as well as enroute to our car from RES, I have no sympathy for those
who choose to be offended . . . UTES or Cougars. I believe JS referred to some
of his detractors as "fiends of the eternal pit." I believe another great
person JC drove people out of his Father's House for money changing. There was
only ONE perfect person and look what they did to him.
This never happens at Cal Berkeley Stanford games. Whining isn't fashionable on
the Left Coast. Here if you win, that's wonderful. If you lose, there's always
next season. We don't lose sight of the goal, to get out on nice fall days and
enjoy an event.
I enjoyed the win and the fierce competition on the field of play by both teams
. . . Ute and Cougar. If you must find fault with Max's words, then first look
within yourself for the mote that you perceive to be in Max's eye. GET REAL!!!
I for one understand EXACTLY why he did WHAT HE DID!!
Since when did disliking and/or cheering against BYU equal disliking the LDS
church? Sure there are Utah fans who are non-mormon and do dislike the LDS
church and that's their right, but to take them and equate that the entire
institution dislikes the LDS church is ridiculous. In the same sense since so
many people jump the logic shark and assume the U is full of non-mormon
individuals, does that mean BYU fans hate non-mormons? Furthermore, when BYU
plays against Notre Dame do BYU fans hate catholics? How about hating
christians in texas when they play against TCU? since when does cheering
against a team equal hate of the demographic make-up of the school's student
body or a representing institution aligned with that school? This is a large
part of why i am LDS and not a BYU fan (other than I received a degree at Utah,
oh my gosh!). (BTW, the institute at Utah, which is either the largest or 2nd
largest in the church educational system, is almost empty because Utah is soooo
non-mormon! PLEASE stop trumpeting the Utah is non-mormon card, it's sooo
Consider this a PUBLIC REPRIMAND towards the MWC itself for the untold thousands
of U and Y fans that got shafted and were unable to watch the game as a result
of the conference's stellar collection of minds. He has a right to
say what he wants. The U is classless when it comes to football, and its
high-time someone with the spotlight said it.
I hereby reprimand all of you! Go to your rooms...
* perhaps 10% of fans on both sides need to "grow up" and realize this is just a
game - I have no idea how many, but it's far from "all"* Everyone needs to
accept Hall's apology and "move on" rather than escalating the vitriole*
Yes, Max should have directed any displeasure purely at the offenders, not the
vast majority of great fans on both sides - and he should have gotten that out
of his system a long time before the game.* the players clearly feed off
the fan base, their coaches and each other - they need to move on and redirect
their emotions into better play, not personal fouls.* looking into Utah
from the outside right now is very sad - none of you are winning.
For any of you willing (Max Hall haters or not) to be the bigger person and
admit that maybe there's more to the story and to let it go, there are a few
good reads on Greg Wrubell's blog, "Cougar Tracks."Feel free to
check them out over at KSL with an open mind.There are three different posts
people should read: "Max Impact" "Max Hall Statement" and "Bronco on Max: He
spoke from the Heart" Please note in the 3rd one that Bronco
Mendenhall doesn't say he supports Max Hall making comments like that about
other organizations, just that he supports him and respects the way he is
personally taking responsibility for what he said and how he is handling the
situation. If there be any who persecute Max Hall for what he has
said, even though he has issued an apology, then look deep inside yourself and
see if you would have acted any differently had you been in the exact same
situation. Many, if not all, of you will come to realize that you are acting
very hypocritically. Accept his apology and let it go!!!GO
The U of U has had plenty of opportuinty to rein in their fans. It would please
me greatly if someone assulted at a U of U Football game with evidence were to
file a law suit against the U of U for negligence. Being aware of a dangerous
situation and failing to take step to control that situation. I'd bet a million
damage award for failure to mitagate a dangerous situation would wake up the
Sleeping heads at the U administration office. The adminstration either does not
care to correct the situation or they by doing nothing are winking at the
situation. In either case a lot of the responsibility for this contiued mess
rest squarly on the adminstratin dept of the u.
I hate the MWC. It classless and clueless. It deserves BYU, Utah, UNLV ...
except Air Force. Real heros and real students
"Me thinks thou doth protest too much". Utah fans are so upset, BECAUSE THEY
KNOW IT'S TRUE.....
I can't find any way to justify Hall's comments... true or not.He may be a great quarterback, but I'm disapointed in him as a Christian
and a Mormon (like me).
It's funny to read all the double standards from both sides in these comments.
Contradictions everywhere. Justifications for Hall, justifications for Scalley,
justifications for Whittingham. The fact is that BYU won a close football game,
has bragging rights for a year, and the rest doesn't matter. This rivalry is
bringing out the worst in everyone.
The worst penalty assessed for what is 'done' 'on' the field is 15 yards. So,
let's call it unsportsmanlike conduct and give the Cougars a 15-yard penalty on
their initial kick-off of their Bowl Game. Will that make you happy? Not that
'words' spoken 'on' the field are often penalized. In most cases this sort of
thing ends up a negated, do-nothing, "off-setting penalties", even if one side
provokes it and even if one side reacts more strongly than the other. Weighing
the abusive beer and verbal abuse showered so lovingly on Max's family against
his unsportsmanlike verbal retort 12 months later, why don't we just call it
off-setting penalties, ... but realize that were there more civility on the
beer-splashers Max never would have been left with the festering frustration
that spilled over on Saturday.
What a soft rivalry. I love BYU and I love this rivalry, but coming from the
east and hearing people involved saying this is one of the best rivalries in
sports is a joke. If any other big rivalry had similar comments said
it wouldn't even make the news. Of course he hates them. Of course they hate us.
Would we have it any other way?I remember Ladanian Tomlinson saying
the same thing about the Patriots two years ago when New England beat them in
the playoffs. It was a passing reference. He even called us (New England)
classless just like Max did. Not a big deal. Utah sports fans will
always have a weak sports scene when stuff like this is big news. Toughen up.
I am done with BYU. I was never with Utah. Why can't we cheer for our teams
rather than against the other? I am moving on.
you are spot on
Why? Because he dishonored the entire program by his tirade and went against
everything that BYU professes to stand for.For any other institution
his remarks may be permissible, though I doubt it, but at BYU, a school with a
message, it is absolutely clear that Hall's message of hate and bitterness run
contrary to the message Bronco has been espousing since he has taken over.His comments of hate and bitterness are not justified because one or
many Utah fans hurt him in the past. Does that mean I wouldn't do the same
thing if I were in his shoes? No, I probably would do the exact same thing.
Does that justify it? No! If BYU wants to set itself apart
from other universities and send a message that they are a university with
integrity, class, honesty and character something must be done. He's your star
player in a program that gives firesides each week before the game. Going out
the next night and going off on a team, its fans, a university and the entire
institution says "do what I say not what I do!"
A word to the wise: If you are a wife or a mother of a BYU player just stay away
from RE stadium. That's right just don't go!! If you can't tolerate a little
personally directed profanity against you and your family along with being
doused with some harmless beer then by all means stay home. I mean good grief
what do you expect? After all you are playing at the U!!!!!
Interresting, beer is not sold or allowed in the University of Utah stadium. I
think Hall is exagerating. His family was not escorted out by the police.
Dear Utes, You did your very best all year long to get under Max
Hall's skin, and when he let you know that you had succeeded, you pretended
surprise and wounded feelings. I say, don't goad someone if you don't
want a reaction. Don't abuse BYU's family and fans if you want to be liked.
And don't blame the LDS Church, Brigham Young University, its coaches and
players if you succeed again to achieve your goal of getting a reaction to your
low-class, non-sporting badgering.
You stay classy, Max Hall.
and I would be caught dead at at Utah/BYU game at RES. I wouldn't subject
myself, much less my kids or wife to the language and behavior displayed by our
"fans." It's like a war zone. The behavior by our fans is horrendous and
disgusting. I HATE it! Hall spoke from obviously very deep feelings of
resentment and anger and stepped a little out of the box by including the entire
University. But to HATE evil is a good thing and there is some evil behavior
that takes place at RES during a Utah/BYU game.
You really need to feel sorry for a 24 year old man with his whole life ahead of
him that is so full of hatred and rage against not only Utah, its players, fans
etc but for all those BYU fans "who hide behind their internet post and don't
support him." Here is a guy that is going to struggle his entire life in
whatever profession he is in to get a long and manage disappointment/failure.
Can you imagine his RAGE if he gets passed over for a promotion?
So many of you say that Hall should be held out of the bowl game by Mendenhall,
because Whit would. Did whit hold out Morgan Scally, Steve Tate, Paul Kruger,
and Sylvester Stephenson from their bowl game for saying they Hate BYU? I sure
he did since all the utes keep saying he hold his players accountable. I
probably just didn't notice.
that Max Hall apologized. What he said is so true. Utah and fans are such
hypocrites. They say horrible things about BYU and the religion that its
affiliated with. Why aren't they in trouble? Why doesn't the media make a big
deal out it? So sad.I am so proud of you Max. BYU fans everywhere are
going to miss you at BYU.
Wake me up when the 'U' publicly apologizes to Hall's wife and mother.
difference here is Hall got caught speaking what everyone else knows to be true.
for all the comments blasting Hall, you are all a bunch of hypocrits! His rant
was probably mild in comparison to what was thrown at him by Utah fans. Nothing
to apologize for Max, you only called as you saw it, which is EXACTLY what it
From a true blue BYU fan, I am sorry you have been treated that way at LES.
There are definitely idiotic, classless fans on both sides. I try to treat all
of our opponents and their fans with respect. Please don't think those loser
fans are representative of most BYU fans because they aren't any more then the
fans that poured beer and spit on Max Hall's wife and mother are representative
of most Ute fans.
I've always wondered Glen, how exactly do you "beat yourself"? Could you
explain? Do you run the opposite direction with the ball thus scoring touch
downs for the other team? Do you spot the other team points? Perhaps players on
your own team change jerseys and tackle your own players as they sprint to the
endzone? Hmmm, I guess I don't see any thing in the rule book as to how a team
can beat itself. Usually the other team scores more points than you but I guess
that really didn't happen in this game huh?
for taking a cheap shot punch to the head of a BYU player after the play was
over and out of sight of the refs. Now That's classless.
BYU will not bench Max Hall because they care more about football than about
values and honor.
It's interesting how the people who are blowing this all out of proportion(The
media) are the same people who basically pryed and baited Max Hall into saying
what he did. If you actually listen to the interview and hear how provocative
the media people were, you might have a different take on things. GO COUGARS!!!
Oh come on.....since when can BYU leadership be responsible for what comes out
of another person's mouth? Are we not responsible for our OWN behavior? Quit
pointing the blame wherever you can. They were Max Hall's comments and only
his. He has apologized and explained. Do we not ALL make mistakes and then
have to rectify, clarify and make amends? Absolutely. Maybe a little less
judging and finger pointing, and a little more forgiveness is in order. Max's
feelings over what happened to his family last year are completely
understandable. Did his emotions about it spill over after the game on
Saturday? Sure, but he has since apologized, so quit the judging and start
forgiving. We ALL make mistakes, including those Ute fans last year. Hopefully
they feel sorry and realize that an apology to Max and his family are in order
Let's just end the rivalry.. Utah can go to the WAC and beat up on Boise and
BYU can stay in the MWC to be watched closely for future reprimands.. Then the
only time we will meet would be in the NC bowl game.. but of course it would be
against Boise not Utah. Oh well.I support you Max.. Utah is
classless. Where is the apology from Utah for the way they treated his family?
That's it - my testimony is gone. Max's hideous statement just destroyed my
belief in humanity itself. My goodness how could you Max????
Enough said. Max apologized to those who deserve it. If you are a classy
individual you will accept that apology and you will move on. You will realize
that you are nothing like the fans he meant to reference.If you
still take offense, then maybe you are rightfully associated among the classless
fans who throw beer and crudely degrade a person's mom in a sexual way. So you
deserve his initial derision in this category. Don't hate if you don't want to
be hated. And quit whining about him calling you out for it. BTW-Max's comments were not classy when it came out as generalizing all Utes.
But giving an apology is more classy than those who won't accept one. I can't
believe so many people are offended by being called classless, considering how
little class those same people show after.
I don't catch the "all in the heat of the moment" excuses. Wasn't the game
over? Had BYU not been declared the winner? Wasn't the emotion left on the
football field? I could understand Maxy saying that in the huddle to fire up
his boys in OT, but long after the game had been decided.... ??? Was Maxy really just upset because he didn't have a very good game--12 for 32?
(The freshman kid from Utah completed a higher percentage than Maxy.) Is he
still frustrated that he personally didn't prove anything against the U? My,
my, he is going to carry that with him for a very long time.....
BYU 3 out of the last 4 --- enuf said!!!!
This rivalry has gotten more and more bitter every year and the media is what
feeds it.. comment boards like this one only generate HATE.. there is no dialog
here.. only the breeding of HATE.. shut down the comment boards on the newspaper
and radio sites and gag the sports radio idiots that only want to feed this
monster of HATRED.
You're totally off your rocker and obviously a Utah fan. Anything is okay with
you if it will make BYU look bad and Utah look good... U sicken me with your
Stop begging the question- there is BEER and other alcohol
inside of RES, whether it's sold or not (plastic flasks, rum and coke, anyone?).
Anybody who has stood within five feet of the Utah student
section can affirm this simple fact.I don't think Max
made this up. I know for a fact that the most vulgar, and bigoted comments I
have ever heard at any sporting events come from Utah fans at RES. I did my grad work at a Pac-10 school and never heard anything remotely
as trashy as I have heard at the games at RES. I used to
be a Ute Fan and now I love my Boise State Broncos. Yes............they have
After the game, the only team that praised the performance and courage of their
opponents was BYU.We heard nothing from Utah. Kyle Whittingham
can't even say BYU.The haters, which seems to be some Utes' only way
to be fans, are all over the internet.This would be a tempest in a
teapot if the Utes were not so thin-skinned.Nothing worse than being
beaten by Max Hall, a player you despise. Nothing easier than to forget yet
another loss by making a stupid comment after a hard fought game into much more
than it is.Let's see how classy Ute fans really are. Will you be be
pitifully small-minded or will you be big enough to accept and apology and move
on? Will you live up to the great sportsmanship displayed by your stars,
Stevenson Sylvester, Brian Johnson, and Eric Weddle? Can you be more than
petty? True sportsmen accept apologies, even apologies that are forced.In this case, however, the voice of experience suggests small-minded
will win out every time. Each pitiful response diminishes the
greatness of your university. Where are the U's moral leaders? Accept the
apology. Move on.
The only person Kyle Whittingham has ever held accountable for poor behavior was
Joe Glenn. Remember?Does the name Brett Ratliff ring a bell?Accountability?Don't make me laugh.
To: Utefan & True Ute & California Utefan. Thanks for your acceptance of
Hall's apology. Sad posts from many that can't wait to cast stones.
Go Cougars. Go Utes. Make the MWC proud in your bowl games.
As far as Kyle's wife being assaulted... Your error is in your thinking that a
BYU fan started it...
Rip on Max all you want. He still has more class all by himself than the entire
Ute program has put together.
It's obvious you are not a BYU fan, but a BYU hater. Why should he be benched
when he does the same as all else? YOU are saying that BYU thinks it is better
than the rest. Those who attend school there are held to a higher standard as
far as rules go, but to say they think they are higher makes it obvious you have
a problem with BYU. Let's just move on, or let's discipline all who had
something "not nice" to say on Saturday. That would include the precious Brooks
and who know how many other players for the Utes. He said something stupid, he
apoligized, let's move on!
I've attended Utah games for 15 years now and I know for a fact that
there is BEER there!Stop begging the question-
there is BEER and other alcohol inside of RES, whether it's sold or not (plastic
flasks, rum and coke, anyone?). Anybody who has stood within
five feet of the Utah student section can affirm this simple fact.I don't think Max made this up. I know for a fact that the most vulgar,
and bigoted comments I have ever heard at any sporting events come from Utah
fans at RES. I did my grad work at a Pac-10 school and never
heard anything remotely as trashy as I have heard at the games at RES. Go Horn Frogs!!!!!!!
Yes I am vile and crude and ill-mannered. But there have been more LDS prophets
graduate from the U than from the Y. So there! Take that! Even our beloved
coach Whit had the sense to come over to the correct side of the rivalry. I am
sure he is totally discusted by the things that Max said. I can't
stand the blue losers down south!
I say they stop playing each other. BYU doesn't need Utah on their schedule.
They gain nothing from beating Utah and we have to put up with a lot of crap if
we lose. Go independent if we have to. We sell out our other home games
anyway. It shouldn't be an economic issue. I'm tired of the MWC. I'm tired of
seeing other fans in the MWC with vile and disparaging signs criticizing my
religion. I’ve attended games at other MWC sites including Utah and have
been the target of their bigotry and hate. I don’t see anything being
done by the MWC or the other schools. It’s not worth it. Let Utah find
Cut the self righteous crap. Who are you to stand in judgment of a young man's
entire life? Grow up! You are good example of what Max was talking about.
Yeah, Go RSL!!! BYU and Ute fans reunite and remember the glory we shared just
one week ago. Forget the hate and join in the love of the beautiful game, not
the ugly American cousin!
I have always taught my children that HATE is a very hurtful word. Not only did
Max Halls comments make him look like dumb but what does it say for the school
he is playing for? Is BYU really that much better??? I think not we are still
waiting to get paid for a softball game and that was 2 months ago. Come on BYU
get it together
We were saddened to note that he mouthed the "f" word and that they showed it
right on the television. We are all human, but one would hope that, especially
knowing the prophet and children are watching, a person who has risen to the
level of Hall in sports and in life would be able to express himself better than
to use a bar-room word. We continue to believe in our new faith, but are
saddened that he chose such a public way to voice his opinion of the other team
and hope and pray for him in the future to think before he uses such language in
the future and to perhaps take a class in filial piety - he did not honor his
heritage by stooping to the low of the masses, and he did not show very good
sportsmanship. We hope that he will learn from this and that he and his family
may forgive those who hurt them last year. Forgiveness is a beautiful thing,
truly, when it starts with yourself. The scripture calling for us to forgive
really says it all. Bless Hall and all the Utah players - whether Utah or BYU!
Nobody's perfect. Give him a break. I'm sure that most people in that kind of
situation would let their emotions get the best of them. Do I think that was a
bad decision by Max? Yes. But things like that happen every day. Everyone needs
to realize it's just a football game, and trash talking is part of football. If
you can't take it, find something else to do. I think everyone needs to just let
My 7-year -old grandson received a Max Hall #15 jersey for his birthday Saturday
morning. He wore it and cheered for his team and they won. I was happy for my
grandson because I knew the game could have gone either way. What disturbs me
is what a quarterback from a "Church" school said. How am I supposed to answer
my grandson, who informs me at church yesterday, that he does not want to wear
the jersey, because "only a loser would act that way after winning." What a
great role model you are MAX!
Too bad that Bronco , Holmoe , and the University didn't gave the guts to do the
It's fun to sit back and watch as BOTH BYU and Utah fans make fools out of
themselves!So What----Max Hall says he hates the U. Big Deal! So he says
what's on his mind---and people go crazy. Whatever happened to "freedom of
speech?" Don't tell me that the Utes don't HATE the Cougars, and vice versa. SO
WHAT!! GET OVER IT!We took our children (Utah State v. Utah) to a game at
RES---and we'll NEVER go back! We were treated with vile remarks. It's a
sporting event---NOT life and death! It's funny to me that the school with the
crudest fans are the ones who are crying the loudest on this issue! I can't wait
until someone suggests that because of Hall's remarks---that BYU should have to
somehow forfeit the game. Get a life people!! What Hall said was MILD compared
to what takes place out on the field and at the bottom of those pile ups. People
need to remember that it is ONLY a game. You can be a true fan by supporting
your team---but not acting like a moron!
What Max said is true and the Utes say the same things about BYU every day. I
know because I attended the U. Max shouldn't have to apologize and the MWC
shouldn't be reprimanding someone who speaks the truth.
Maybe we should hold the BYU-Utah game on a neutral field out of state and
without any fans. That could possibly help control these immature out of
control fans on both sides of the field. This whole situation just shows how we
let things that really are not that important control our lives and behavior.
Wow, are we a sad bunch or what?
haha! Glad you switched sides. BSU deserves an 'awesome' fan like yourself.
why do people compare us with stupid Pac-10 schools and what their
fans do? Who cares?? Enjoy the smurf turf....we as Utah fans will try to
survive without you...somehow.
I mean, honestly I really could care less who won, but what does surprise me is
what the MWC has done to BYU out of character. If anyone feels like going back
to last year when Utah won, the same things were said about BYU and Utah
received nothing from the MWC. If anyone is classless it is the MWC and their
refs that can't even remember someone's number for 30secs after a foul... But all in all, both sides need to do better, neither side is
It took a huge amount of money to persuade your coach (who doesn't have the
class to even say BYU) to "come over to the correct side." It was based on
cold, hard cash, not a better institution. Don't fool yourself.
I DONT THINK THE Y BEAT THE UTES THEY BEAT THEIR SELFS FROM ALL THE PENALTIES
THEY HAD.WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM THAT IS YOUNG AND WILL BE BETTER NEXT YEAR GIVE
THEM TIME TO GROW.
I lived through the Lavell Edwards era at BYU, so I know what it's like to be
jealous of your rival's program. I "hated" BYU - still do, although not so much
since they've become irrelevant outside the MWC. It's easy to understand
BYU's jealousy of Utah's superior program, especially the BCS success. I don't
blame Max, Bronco and the rest of them for hating Utah. Everybody hates those
whose success eclipses their own.
Remind me which team got the most personal fouls in this game?
........soon. Utah (and Boise St.) will leave for the Pac-10.
Think about it Cougs. If you bench Hall at least you will have an excuse to fall
back on when you get throttled in your bowl game.
The time has definitely come to end the BYU-Utah athletics rivalry. Do away with
football, basketball and all other intercollegiate sports at both schools and
use the millions spent on them for education. Isn't education what universities
are for? Part of what education is about is treating others with respect and
civility. Football does not promote such values.
I find Hall's apology more offensive. He meant what he said in his original
comments so be it. Im a Utah fan and I dont care what he said, BUT to all you
cougar fans HIS comments are what have taken away from your win. You should be
able to talk about the game like we were able to all week last year. Max has
taken that away from you with the comments and for that you should be upset.There are bad apples on both sides. Remember in 99 when the cougar fan
ran out on the field and tried to tackle the utah cheerleader. The BYU fan and
got pummeld but he still attacked him. Halls family had issues last year whitts
family had issues this year. It goes both ways. And for the Morgan
Scalley comments he said it before the game then backed it up on the field. He
didnt wait until he won the game to say something like hall did. If your going
to say something man up say it before the game then back it up on the field.This will all be forgotten with another BYU bowl loss and Ute win.
It amazes me that a player from BYU critisizes all utah fans, alumni, etc. Does
he not know that most of the Prophets graduated from the U. Does he not know
that the BYU President graduated from the U? What about the "Honor Code" doesn't
the coach Bronco have the responsability to sit him out for the next game? Let's
see what happens. Will the Honor Code be "HONORED"?
Come on grandpa. I'm sure you're capable of answering those hard pressing
questions from your little grandson. I'm sure he has NEVER heard the word
"hate". You might think of taking some grand-parenting classes that can aid you
with REAL issues "johnny" may have someday.
I am tired of all the crap that goes on at RES. Many of the fans are classless,
vulgar, annoying and out of control, The average fan just sits there and lets
all of this garbage go on. Most just look the other way and believe there is no
problem. Chris Hill, Michael Young, University Officials and big time U.
donors, why don't you take a stnad? Do something about these out of control
jerk fans. I can't stand to go to the games anymore. I have to label the whole
situation "classless", until something is done to clean up the atmosphere at
RES. P.S. There are many who feel the same as I do.
Bwahahahahahahah.... you are so funny. You know absolutely nothing about the
PAC-10. They still hold our conferences as second tier and they would never put
Utah, Boise State or BYU in their conference. It was a good laugh though,
Its cool, he won. Isn't smak talk part of the code?
Wow what a sore winner. I understand how much it hurst for your family to be
attacked and verbally assaulted but Hall could have handled it in a "classier"
way. He needed to be the better person and not sink to the "classless" Ute fans
level. It was a mistake on both schools but now Utah has it in writing. The BYU
Utah rivalry has been getting worse and worse and now its in print. Maybe its
time to take a break from each other...
It is ironic and funny how a society that believes in and practices violence
(don't tell me that football is not violent) gets easily ofended or worried by a
few words... it is really funny!!
His comments ruined our win!! He must believe in an eye for an eye. At his age
he should believe in the golden rule.I am glad he apologized.
and and BYU and I hate the utes in general.
The board of trustees of BYU ought to do what they did at BYUI (formerly Ricks
College). Just drop intercollegiate sports altogether. It has absolutely
nothing to do with the overall mission of Brigham Young University or the
Seriously zoobs, try to analyze things for both sides. Why? you want the whole
thing all because it doesn't look good for you right? Is that all? Don't try to
justify, you will always fail. Don't try to lighten the whole issue just because
someone insincerely apologized and just because you all think you are so
righteous. Have Maxi show me prove that his family was ACTUALLY attacked or else
he is always going to be a liar and a bitter jerk. And lastly, don't even try to
come back with something smart because it will never work for any zoobs.
I'm very disappointed in Max Hall's comments. But he was just reacting to
something that happened last year. The MWC can act, but UTAH fans cannot,
because of course you remember the lockeroom pre-game "I hate those guys" tirade
from Scally a few years ago while Urban Meyer urged him on. I was at BYU while
Coach Whittingham was a great player for the Cougars. Except for when they are
playing BYU, I'm a Ute fan because I'm a Kyle Whittingham fan. Last year I
watched the Sugar Bowl in Afghanistan with a Utah grad and a bunch of Alabama
rednecks. I wanted it to be BYU in that game, but I was cheering like a maniac
for the Utes. So, Max made a mistake. But Utah fans (at least the ones with
class), don't demonized Max when your own players and former coach have done the
same thing.Utah and BYU are two great universities. And TCU is one
of the best teams in America. Let's build our conference stature and keep it
about football and no trash-talking. Can't we all just get along -- except on
Sure but that was more then 50 years ago, a very different contrast compared
today's u of u. If they had a chance today to attend, I highly dought they
Brain Johnson should have said the exact same thing to BYU but he actually used
his brain and complimented BYU even though their idiot quarterback threw 5
I'm kinda disapointed that max hall apologized he didn't need to.
How is it that two BYU football players and one coach are reprimanded by the
Mountain West Conference? Given the governing principles by which BYU claims to
live, I have to ask why it is that disciplinary action is being taken by the
conference and NOT by BYU???? From the BYU Football Web Site...The mission of the BYU football program is, "To be the flag bearer of Brigham
Young University through football excellence, embracing truth, tradition, virtue
and honor as a beacon to the world." This statement is, of course,
subordinate to the all encompassing BYU Honor Code, a standard BYU faithful
claim sets them apart from other universities. However, it appears today that
BYU is choosing to not hold the players, coaches, and fans accountable to the
letter and spirit (intent) of those standards. This is a defining moment for
BYU...either BYU upholds those standards and takes corrective action against
their athletes and coaches or the standards become meaningless.
Max's comments took away from his win, he came across sounding entitled, I'm
disappointed that we are dealing with this rather than discussing the potential
bowl match-ups for both teams. I'm sorry for both my schools....hhhhhmmmmm
Actually, I love BYU football always have. Last year I had season tickets. I
don't boo my team even when I disagree with certain calls or when they play bad.
I was sitting in the Muss in 2006, in blue, to see Beck complete his beautiful
pass to Harline. I thought I would get beat up. Many of the Utah fans I sat
around showed no class at all but one did. After the game as I was walking out
he stopped me and genuinely said "good game." I defended Hall all
the way through last week and actually wrote a comment entitled "Defending Max."
We obviously disagree with part of BYU's mission statement. I
think they are a University who holds themselves to a higher standard and you
don't. That is why I thought BYU should do something to distance themselves
from his comments.That said, having read Max's apology and hearing
Bronco declare that Max was motivated on his own I feel I was too quick to
judge. He spoke largely in the heat of the moment when he made his blanket
statements his apology clarified. I accept his apology.
It is football folks - rivalry football - go to a ACC, SEC, PAC 10, Big 10, or
Big 12 rivalry game wow - this is what it is all about - the only comment I
have is that the football game should not be a LDS crusade - religion and
football - I don't hear ND fans saying its catholic bashing etc - TCU (and if
you have ever been to a game in FT Worth they are hostile)saying its an anti
Christian statement - all BYU fans are not LDS keep the religon off the football
field please - if it is the only perceived religious event of the week talk
about it on Sunday please. bravo to Max - BYU and Utah - this will get ESPN game
day attention next year wow I love both programs we are lucky here in Utah
So in the end Max really lost, by not being a true sportsman, How sad.
Having been to both LaVell Edwards Stadium and Rice Eccles when the Aggies have
visited, I would say that Cougar fans are by far the more irritating, rude, and
vulgar fans as compared to Utah fans.
Stop the hate.Go Utes!!!
Hall's comments, strictly at face value, are not that big of a deal and would be
heard in many rivalry settings around the country--anyone have any friends with
a stake in the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry? I don't know a single Ute fan that
had much of a reaction to this other than a mix of a little surprise at the
timing, disappointment for what apparently happened to Hall's family, and
amusement at the immaturity of the rant.That being said, it seems to
be lost on everyone why this story is news. BYU football (unlike the U)
represents the LDS church, especially today as Bronco wraps the LDS faith around
everything the football team says and does. This is not necessarily a bad thing,
as long as the team represents LDS ideals--I would guess hate language isn't one
of them. An earlier post suggested that the "Holier than Thou" label was due to
BYU not fighting back. Completely wrong... it has more to do with perceived
hypocracy: Claiming to always take the high road, and doing something very
different. It's the same reason political scandals are so juicy.
I think we, the self-righteous and perfect people who write on this comment
board because we have no real life to speak of, should stone Max Hall because we
are without sin.To make things 'sporty', we can let the Ute fans
paint their rocks red with a pretty U painted in white. ORwe can realize this is just rivalry banter by a senior who's leaving the
program and does not have to worry about getting sacked next season. We can get
over it and move on and look forward to next season.
You don't have to be a UTE fan to dislike BYU. Negative comments against BYU
aren't all from Ute fans.
Oh, yeah. Hall already did that.Look at the scoreboard, haters.
BYU 26 utah 23
Yewt fans are a bunch of BABIES. I am sorry you got your feelings
hurt, but quite frankly the hatred flowing from both sides is an issue that has
needed to be dealt with for years, and like it or not Hall has provided the
avenue for it to finally be addressed. IT IS A REAL ISSUE, so stop crying about
it and let's get it fixed.By the way 26 - 23 - DEAL WITH IT.
Do you realize that Utah has not won more games in a decade than BYU since the
1960s - over FOUR decades ago. Now that is what I call a national power. And
don't look now, but:George is STILL runningMagic happens on
4th and 18Harline is STILL open!Shame that Whittingham can't
win the close ones because they are the really fun ones to win - anc create the
memories!Better luck in basketball Yewts. You are going to need
Double Standard | 12:25 p.m. Nov. 30, 2009 How many times have Ute players
been reprimanded in the past for saying the same thing about the BYU program?
Zero? That's what I thought. Way to be consistent MWC.none of
the utes players have been reprmanded.
Hall shouldn't have to apology for anything. He does have the right to say what
What a bunch of cry babies.This is why BYU or Utah is not taken seriously. Get
in the SEC where Max Hall would be backed up by his team, his university and
fans. At least Hall had the guts to say what he felt.
Every Ute Down in U-ville Liked Utah a lot . . . But the Max, Who lived just
south of U-ville, Did NOT! The Max HATED Utah! The whole football season! Now,
please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason. It could be the beer,
dumped on his family one night. It could be, perhaps, that his cleats were too
tight. But I think that the most likely reason of all May have been that his
helmut was too sizes to small.
I get that Hall was in an emotional state, however, if you look at it as a
whole, it doesnt add up.Hall wins a pretty entertaining game in OT against
his rival in his last home game as a BYU Cougar. He then celebrates by bringing
up last year (you really wanna throw another pick max?) and says that he "hates
the entire university" because of what a couple fans did to his family? Was it a
bad thing? of course. I would be mad too. However, where was this a year ago? or
any time before now? Now it just comes across as a "I am going to kick them
while they are down" move. Poor move Max, very poor. Heat of the moment or not
(you just won the game, so shouldnt you be happy?) that was WAY out of line.If Bronco has any guts (which if you watched the game and the personal fouls,
he doesnt as he never once got mad at the players committing those fouls...
while whit was all over his guys, how classless) he will sit Max in Vegas.I wont hold my "classless" breath though.
This has nothing to do with Utah State. It has everything to do with BYU
football not living up to it's own standards. I have to question wheather or not
I should send my daughter to BYU. I think people there don't even realize
themselves how far they has strayed from acceptable standards. What's the point
of a church university if it's just like any other? THIS IS A LEADERSHIP
PROBLEM.And yes I have lived in Provo when my wife was attending. I
was disturbed my many things that don't seem right at BYU.At least
at ASU my daughter would know she is supposed to be different than the average
re: re: Bench him for the bowl | 8:30 p.m. Nov. 30, 2009Actually, I love
BYU football always have. Last year I had season tickets...I accept his
apology.--------Wonderful but he didn't call your Alumni
"classeless" and hated "the organization".Any apology that starts by
excusing your behavior is not sincere. If he cared so much about all the "hate
in the rivalry" and the "beer" issue was such a big deal then he should have
brought it up last year. Personally I could care less about Hall's
apology from BYUs PR department. I just love the fact that a 25
year old was outclassed on and off the field by a 19 year old freshman.Go Wynn!! Boooo Max "to Vegas" Hall!!!
'Issuing a statement' is PR spin code for 'I've been reprimanded for
embarrassing the school and now must publicly apologize so I don't get suspended
for the bowl game and/or further tarnish BYU' (see public apology from the New
Mexico women's soccer player). It does not denote real remorse or sincerity. A
real apology would be to come before either the press he made the comments to
and/or the University of Utah coaches, players and leadership and personally
apologize. It doesn't matter that those who offended him and his family have not
done so (though it would be entirely appropriate), this kind of statement
apology is a copout for being caught in the act. Man up Max, it's the right
thing to do!
And then more.
REF: LDS AGGIEIn your dreams...come on get serious...what a joke of
a comment. That's not even typical Aggie talk. You must be an intimidated
little Utey hiding behind Aggie Blue. What a crock.
Don't live in your state anymore, not a member of your church, but am still a
BYU fan. Max Hall represents BYU when he speaks at a press conference. His views
might not be those of BYU, but his represents the school and the team. If they
had asked him at home or of campus, then maybe you could say that they were just
his words, but he harbored hatred for a whole year, and spewed it out on
everything that has to do with the U. Okay, I don't like the U or
their fans either, but his comments show a lack of maturity and responsibility
and he should be suspended one game. This is a university team and he had his
chance. He has been unsportsmanlike too many times and saying, "well he is doing
like everyone else" does not excuse him. If BYU does not step up, the MWC needs
to. That is three reprimands in two weeks. Enough, a bowl game is a privilege,
not a right.
That was really good, whether you are a BYU or Ute fan. I got a chuckle, but it
should have ended: "But I think the most likely reason of all, may have
been that his helmet was two sizes too small."Simple grammar and
is that BYU is a church-sponsored university. It tells the world that "we do
things differently here." When poor sportsmanship is displayed, or literally
hateful remarks are made by someone wearing a BYU uniform, it resonates
deeply.For the most part, I believe that BYU athletes behave
themselves well. Max Hall's recent tirade is an exception to that. I think the
intense emotions of the situation got the best of him. Maybe off the record, he
really does feel that way. I am willing to accept his apology.However, the most disturbing thing to me about this whole situation is the
fan's reactions to his comments. We should know better, particularly those of
us (myself included) who signed the honor code and attended BYU. This bitter
rivalry has become an outlet for far too many of us to behave badly, and leave
our Christian ethics on the shelf.If we applaud Hall for his hateful
comments, then what does that say about us? Do we really believe that they are
OK because they were directed at the despicable Utah fans? I must have missed
that Sunday School lesson, and that clause in the honor code!
Nice try self-righteous Ute fans. My son went to a BYU-Utah game in SLC & at
half-time four Ute fans spit on him, & were going to physically assault him in
their rest room when some of his friends happened to come in & put a stop to
it.So don't try & preach to Hall or anyone else when every other
year we have to experience this type of nonsense from some of the Ute fans.And to BYU fans like myself, we do ourselves no good when a few of our
fans stoop to ridiculing, name calling, etc. The media will make a huge deal out
of it & bring upon our great University the kind of image that we don't want.
wynn threw an interception not hall
Everyone is wanting other Ute players to be repramanded. WHy? They said it
before the game to pump up the team. It just proves that BYU players and its
fans are poor sports win or lose. And why should the Administration need to
apologize for fans? The fans involved need to man up and apologize. If Max would
have said it before to pump the team up it would have come off as smack talk.
Way to go Mr Max Hall,somewhere,some how the Ute fans have forgotten that
without BYU they would be nothing,the exposure they have recieved has been at
the expense of the BYU team.Grow up.BYU has made the Mountain west
what it is and if they were to leave it,it would be what it was the wacky wac.
Stop the Hate.Go Utes!!!
RE:BOISE STATE; PLEASE PLAY IN A REAL CONFERENCE, AND STOP BEATING UP ON HIGH
SCHOOL TEAMS.TO ALL THE UTAH STATE FANS OUT THERE PLEASE DON'T POST
HERE UNTIL YOUR FOOTBALL TEAM STARTS WINNING THEIR GAMES, WHICH IS A MYSTERY
BECAUSE YOU PLAY THESAME HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS THAT BOISE STATE DOOOOOOOO. ITS
TUESDAY MORINING AND LIFE IS STILL GOOOOOOOOOOODBYU26-UTES20. LONG LIVE
It is disappointing to see the number of obvious BYU supporters who support Max
Hall's hate comments. It is further disappointing to note the number of BYU
supporters who seem to think that Hall's "non-apology" just satisfies
everything. Part of a meaningful apology is SINCERITY. This was obviously
lacking in Hall followup.
Character counts and Hall showed the world he has none and that the BYU program
is truly flawed and more importantly, reflected a contentious spirit (we all
know where that’s from)... and this episode reflected poorly on the
Church.Very disturbing, irreparable harm. This is how BYU’s
2009 season will be remembered.Utah…a true class program that
is building a dynasty, a program…not just one game. Utah
Football lives and plays by a true Code of Honor.How short sighted
the BYU program is.Shame on you Mr. Hall. Shame on you.
BYU fans and Utah fans grow up! Time to start policing your own on both sides.
This rivalry can be fun, but come on everyone, it's a game. People don't
"deserve" to lose based on other people's actions. You either score enough
points to win or you don't. Mr. Hall, I regret that your family had to deal
with a definitely classless small group of Utah fans. It should have been
handled a year ago and people should have been reprimanded a year ago. You
should have been congratulating your teammates. Your behavior was classess.
You all are ridiculous. This is a rivalry game, and at that one of the best in
the country. Its comments like that, that make the rivalry great. Get over it
and look forward to getting pummeled again next year!!!
I guess we should reprimand Wayne Howard. Isn't he the one that started it?
Wasn't he the UTAH coach that escallated it?
"Utah Football lives and plays by a true Code of Honor"too bad their
Utes and Cougs should be upset that they are weak far distant one and two in a
pitiful conference. These are not hateful comments, just true facts.
Notice how many more Utah fans there are in the stands at LES than there are BYU
fans at RES. That says it all. I went to the BYU Oklahoma game and BYU made up
.1% of the fans there. The Oklahoma fans were some of the classiest people I
have ever seen, even when the majority were drinking alcohol sold at the
stadium, and even after they lost. Utah has a serious problem with most of their
fans. Let BYU resolve the issue with Max and let Utah resolve the issue of the
majority of their fans who are abusive and out of control, and frankly pathetic.
Actually He did call my Alumni, or soon to be Alumni, classless. I wasn't
accepted at the Y and so I'm at the U right now. But I am a Cougar fan. He was explaining his frustration with certain U fans in his apology to
those he criticized without thinking such as the organization and university.
I have one thing to say.Thank God freedom of speech still allows Max
Hall to say whatever he wants, even if I don't personally agree with it.Shame on MWC for their attempt to quelch it.
wow, you have a lot of bitterness. let it go, it will only consume you.
I am a mormon student University of Utah and I grew up in Utah county. Not only
is Max Hall incredibly rude for saying this, he is also generalizing over a lot
of people when he's saying he hates ALL Utah fans. Thanks for ruining the
respect that I still had for BYU. Go Utes
can not be taken seriously until they get us out of the mtn and make utah have
I think Hall really showed his true colors by his statements. Congrats
buddy...any respect you or your school had, is now gone. Truly classless. Sore
winners are the biggest losers.
Max Hall is not the only BYU affiliate who has harsh feelings against Utah. let
me tell you about my experience at LES. It all started when my group of friends
were trying to find a spot for our disabled friend in a wheelchair. while doing
this, a rabid BYU fan confronted us, getting in our face trying to prod us to
fight, after a while he gave up after realizing that we were not idiots like
himself and would not fight. then on our way to our seats Utah made a great
play, as fans we began cheering exuberantly(no vulgarity). BYU fans began
requesting the ushers to call security.... eventually we moved to be with other
Utah fans. the point of this story is not to put down BYU and their fans, but to
show that such degrading treatment is what you should expect as a visiting team,
Max Halls family sounds like a bunch of sensitive weenies. when I heard what
Maxi-pad hall said after the game I felt relieved that the win for BYU was
tainted enough to the level that they cannot brag about the game..... go Max
Hall and GO UTES!!!
I remember as a student at BYU, President Jeffrey R. Holland reprimanding the
entire student body at a Tues Devotional following a heated football game. He
was PO'd and told us in no uncertain terms that the way we, the fans and
students, acted the previous Saturday was never to be tolerated at a school that
professed to the standards that BYU holds. He talked on and on about how he
never wanted to see BYU students ever to act that way again. I would expect
that the current President of BYU would hold this current student body to the
same standards and use this QB as an example of what not to do. How unfortunate
to feel the effects of ugly prejudice but people, this is the world and you are
not the only ones!!
No more football, no more football players, no more football player groupies, no
more football player discounts, no more FOOTBALL AT BYU!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, I was at that Pres. Holland devotional, too. It was the year after the NC
in '84 when BYU fans and students booed Robbie Bosco--not realizing the man was
playing hurt. That was a lack of class, too, and President Holland taught us we
needed more of that--lots more.Nice to see I'm not the only one who
remembers that--or is disappointed in the way BYU is (NOT) handling this current
situation. If they all really think it's just going to blow over and go away,
they really ARE hiding their heads in the sand down in Provo. President
Samuelson has even more work cut out for him than President Holland did.
of course Max hates the U... If he liked the U, he would have been slinging the
football for them! Duke basketball fans constantly chant "go to hell Carolina
go to hell" year in, year out. Everyone grow up forget about it. It's all
I feel bad for Max Hall. He did what racist people do. He let a bad experience
from a few spoil his opinion about an entire people. Now that he's in hot water
he's taking back his words to save himself but the truth is out. Mission
accomplished Mr. Max Hall. It wasn't enough for BYU to barely beat the Utes
like so many of their wins over Utah. You had to be the center of attention.
May your name go down in infamy!
who said what? and what was it that he said again?and when did he said it?
It was just a long time ago, my memory just isn't what it used to be.
Time to move on folks! Boreiiiiinnnnggggggggg! Bu..... bye!
"Light travels faster than sound, which is why someone may appear bright until
they open their mouth."Hall ruined his reputation by the attempt at
an apology. He could have just rescinded his earlier comments and walked away.
Instead, his bloated ego and self-righteousness bubbled over. This poor choice
of words-- both the original statement and its follow up are making their way
around the world, where he is giving BYU a bad name even here in the
Netherlands. What an embarrassment, and a spark for future criticism. Maybe
BYU should get rid of their competitive sports program so the university can
actually represent their religion?
So funny how BYU apologists are tired of this forum but keep comming here just
to say everybody should let it go. No. :)I can't wait untill next
year's rivalry game. I haven't watched football in years but I can't wait for
the game. He's the Charles Barkley of college football - only less likeable. He
can work on that.Now who will I root for? Not sure yet....
If you spit on my wife and mother and poured beer on them while calling them
vile names, you would be lucky to get away with a "I hate you." comment a year
later.Take your apology back Max and tell BYU where they can stick
their PR campaign.