The self righteous (living in their own created reality) comments of BYU
supporters who are AGAST at Max Hall is a perfect example of the "Utah Mormon
Culture" that I mentioned above. News Flash: You can be staunch LDS and still
get angry. Christ drove money changers from the Temple. Utes who sink to the
lowest levels of public behavior and direct said behavior at Max, his wife and
mother, PLUS the U administration and fans who don't put a STOP to this at
games, DESERVE ANGER. If the recipient of said behaviors (Max) goes overboard
with "words" (not beer, sexual inuendo, etc.) his words don't come close to the
offenses against him (BYU "holiers" "expect more" - Perspective? - its football
not sacrament meeting). The prevalent culture is ridiculous in the level of
"appearance" (political/Utah correctness) over "substance". Try participating in
LDS churches in the east, midwest, south, or anywhere but heavy concentrations
of LDS in the west, and "real life" is occuring, rather than a pretense of
perfection while hypocrisy (ie, too many unwed births/real problems?) is
on-going without the outrage. PS: I know many wise/balanced Utah Mormons -- they
don't control the culture.
Everybody hates PC. Remember when you could say anything offensive you wanted
and the people that intensly disagreed with you would just chuckle quietly
little and let it go? Those were the days, you could let some
zingers fly back then.How dare people criticize what we say on
television about others!
"Unlike any other football program in the country we represnt not just a college
but a faith." Max Hall
Thank you for your comments, hopefully we can get some of those disrespectful
Cougar fans to do that too.Thanks!--GO COUGS!
I wish all the Ute fans would just grow up. It's getting pretty embarrassing
being the only respectful fan at RES.
He really has got himself into it this time. I do feel bad for him but not for
BYU leaders. They should have taken a higher road than to remain silent about
the issue and leave thier opinons of hate speech unknown.They let
this get out of hand and Max will have to deal with the consequences. His
leaders should have helped him through this better and taken some of the heat as
well. They threw Max under the bus as far as I'm concerned.BYU has
made a serious error in judgement about public affairs. Inside issues can be
done privately but when you involve everyone in 2 universities you have to deal
with it very publically - something BYU leaders don't like to do.
I was just looking at the ten most commented articles listed in DN online. Of
those ten, seven are about the Max Hall incident and have garnered a total of
2,847 (now 2,848)comments. Two articles are about the BYU-Utah game and have
garnered 667 comments.If a space alien were to land in Utah and see
something like this, I wonder what he/she/it would think? At the very least, it
is an interesting sociological phenomenon.
Max Hall and BYU should be ashamed of these comments. I don't think this is
reflective of how Mormons should act.
I'm from the east,LDS & a 1968 BYU grad.My view is, much of what prompts hate
for BYU is a result of Utah/Mormon culture, mis-viewed as "The Church" (check
Mormon culture anywhere but the West). Said culture too often is not in sinc
with Doctrine (ie, cliques? judge not? love your neighbor? -- I had culture
shock in the 60s & its still there). I read many comments in 2008 re:
Romney/Mormons from people all over the U.S. who had lived/do live in Utah. They
wrote about members' pouncing to recruit them, then ignore/shun them & kids,&
act "holier than thou". That said, the increasingly hateful things Ute fans say
and do re: BYU and the Church bear no resemblance to any action of BYU's fans,
yet UofU leaders & fans do nothing,(like peaceful Muslims you know). So, I agree
with Max. If my mother & wife received beer, sexual comments, profanity,
threats, blow up dolls, and MORE, I would feel like Max, but hopefully say it
better. His remarks were directed only at the current program, fans and
Administration who condone this by their inaction and it has long been
What people are going to remember about this is that some Ute fans are out of
control and possibly dangerous and that no one is doing anything about it.
3,396 comments now.And to the 10:17 comment above, I'm not "whining
about whining", I'm merely pointing out that there's a lot of people not even
coming close to being objectively fair or respectful of Max Hall.Just because one mentions something doesn't mean it's "whining".If
others continue to try and drag Max Hall down, so be it. Just
remember, what goes around, comes around. Or to put it another way, what we
send out in life always comes back to us.
Ya'll think we can get this to 1000 comments before it gets taken off?All that over what Hall said? I wonder what that implies....GO BYU! Let's win ourselves a bowl game!
If anyone is smacking on Max Hall MORE than those who riduculed / insulted /
assaulted / abused he and his family for the ENTIRE year between the 2008 and
2009 games, I'd like to know why.Please, by all means, defend your
rationale.Max Hall made a mistake but does anyone really believe he
would have said what he did if he had been treated during the last year with the
same level of kindness we all secretly hope for?.....Dan MaloyEnid, OK
RE: "Only" 3,194 | 12:34 a.m. Dec. 2, 2009 Whining about other
people whining doesn't make you any better. If you want to stop reading about
what people think of Max Hall, *drum roll* stop reading the articles. It's a
novel idea, but I promise it will work.
What Max Hall said will mean nothing for next years game. There is already
enouph motivation on both teams to ensure a spirited clash.
Despite holding themselves out as a visible missionary arm of the Church, some
have said that the Max Hall comments are his own and do not reflect on BYU or
the Church.Fair enough, I believe his comments are not reflective of
BYU or the Church.But here is the problem, As a representative of
BYU Max Hall selfishly used the podium and microphone afforded him in that role
to spew his personal hateful comments, embarrassing himself, BYU and fellow
church members in the process.What will BYU do to ensure that future
representatives of their program do not misuse the position as Max Hall did?
As a Utah student I agree the fans are classless . Last year my wife and I left
early because of how bad it was and I was cheering for the utes.
What's that?The total number (so far) of comments either ripping on
Max Hall or supporting him from a total of EIGHT separate DesNews stories on the
incident: - "Hall mouths off about hate of Utah" - 904-
"Cougars beat Utes in overtime" - 482- "Hall reprimanded by MWC" - 402- "Max Hall issues apology" - 387- "Hall's pain reflects self-betrayal"
- 347- "Utes won't respond to Hall" - 275- "BYU says Hall incident
resolved" - 236- "2 citations issued at Y.-U. game" - 161Sorry
dudes/dudettes, but those of you who are bagging on Max Hall are either guilty
of being self-righteous, sanctimonious twits who honestly believe you've never
made a single mistake in your life or you're Ute fans who are simply blinded in
your hate of all things BYU more than you love your own school.Bottom line, cut the guy some slack and get on with your life.
Its ironic that Max Hall's own irresponsible and hateful words are more hurtful
to himself and his family than the actions of any drunken Ute fan.
Wrong venue, right message. The MWC is embarrassed by his comments, but not by
what prompted them. Pretty narrow view.
...because I can think of way too many times when I have said really stupid
things that I wish I hadn't said. I don't know Max at all, but I know I'd be
beating myself up terribly if I'd gotten carried away in the emotion of the
moment in such a public and emotionally charged venue. I hope everyone,
especially Max, will be able to put this behind themselves and move on.
I have never done or said anything wrong. I am perfect. Obviously Max Hall
isn't but how may of you people that complained about his remarks have never
done or said anything wrong.
I am ashamed of his behavior. I hope Coach Bronco makes him sit out in the bowl
game. This would show that BYU favors honor and values over football.
If you don't belong to the LDS church it's a bit odd you should feel the need to
tell us, "So please stop the BYU should be embarrassed drama." Perhaps some
people have higher expectations for their school / church than you do. That's
not a bad thing. And Hall is an embarrassment due to his immaturity and
pettiness. He's made it "all about me" and it's not. He took the joy of
winning and turned it into a whine fest about past wrongs done to his family.
That incident should have been taken care of when it happened and not been
spewed a year later as a pathetic excuse for loutish behavior by Hall. Please hmmm refrain from telling us how we should feel about this
incident. We expect more -- much more from our football players on and off the
field and I hope that never changes. I do hope the behavior shown by Hall WILL
change and such a tirade will not happen again.
Max was right on with his comments.
I've seen idiot fans on both sides. I think hating the other side is
hypocritical. A friend of mine (recently passed away) had her tires slashed when
visiting friends at the Y because her car had a U of U sticker in the window.
The Mormon Tabernacle Choir works very hard to give the LDS church
some positive PR, but BYU sports seems pretty good at countering that effort.
Good work Max. That was very "classy."
Eric Moutsos Said: Can't we all just get along?
I do not belong to any church my coworker is Catholic - we both agree that the
impresion that Hall shamed BYU is silly. If someone spat on my mother they
would get more than words in return. My repsect for Hall actually increased.So please stop the BYU should be embarrassed drama.
We rushed the field because we were excited to see another awesome win over Utah
in the final play. It was an exciting finish. It is also fun to run down onto
the field. You are an idiot.
I heard you say how much you hate BYU on TV last night. As I recall no one from
BYU assaulted your wife or mother either. Hmmm...Not only are some
(not all) people associated with the U classless they are hypocrites as well.
As bad as this is, utes have done some awful things in the past too. However,
this is nothing compared to some things that happened in other rivalries this
week. This is very mild. I hate utah as much as the next BYU fan, but
moving from Utah was the best thing I did. I love not being around the rivalry.
It turns mature, grown men into wild animals. I love going to work and
no one knows about this incident!
I hate the UTES too. I'm not proud of it, but I'm also not going to hide it. I
hate the UTES and I hope they lose every game. However, I hate their football
team - as a football team; an entity. It is not personal and I don't wish
anything bad upon them, except on the football field.Max is immature
and I'm not so sad to see him go even though he has shown, at times, flashes of
brilliance on the football field. Unfortunately, he also shows flashes of
inexperience and immaturity on and off the field.
I have always been a Ute Fan and have always enjoyed the rivalry between Utah
and BYU. It was great watching BYU play football and Basketball when they had
good teams. I have been drifting of late in becoming a BYU hater because of
people like Max Hall and the BYU Cougars. Not only do they believe that they
are the only true church, The believe that they are only the "True Team" in
Utah. I wonder if Max Hall hates another wards church basketball team, The
bishop and counslers when he loses during church ball. Man up BYU and MAX.
This game was forever rembered in hall's life. He did his best to defeat utes.
BYU is not a sore team. Take the beer incident and compare to hall's comment.
Now who's to blame for hall's reaction. Disrespecting his family compare to
words. Realize for hall's situation and see how personal it was for him.
Use boldness, but not overbearance; and also see that ye bridle all your
passions, that ye may be filled with love; see that ye refrain from idleness.Just wonder who at BYU has read the Book of Mormon lately...
This story is on ESPN already...finally Hall gets the national recognition he
Max Hall does not represent all BYU players or fans. Just like I am sure the
rude, vulgar UTE fans our family encountered at the 2008 Rivalry Game do not
represent the U or most of their fans. Unfortunately, they are the ones that
get all of the attention. How about just being good sports? Can't we bask in a
good win and give credit where it is due in defeat. I love BYU and will root
for them over Utah everytime, but when they are not playing each other I always
wish Utah well.
Max so much, why all the whining that he hates u too!
and stones will break your bones, and the Y will always beat u."Me
thinks thee doth protest too much."Will S.
The bottom line is that Max Hall should have kept quiet and followed the example
of Bronco and his other BYU leaders. He could have characterized the game as
"hard fought" or "intense rivalry" and been done with it. Everyone would have
remembered the great win.Instead, everyone will replay his interview
for the next 20 years just like they replay Wayne Howard's "I hate BYU"
interview 20 years later. No one's going to remember the great pass from Hall
to George in OT to win the game. Sad Sad Sad
Max issued the correct apology. Lets move on.BYU beat Utah. BYU is
the best team in the state this year. Deal with it Utes. You are second
Utah needs to get their act together before something really bad happens at
their stadium. What's next... armed guards for players families? Classy = Utah?It could happen...it's up to them. Next year the
proof will be in the pudding.The camera's will be rolling and the
evidence will undoubtedly end up on YouTube.
Character counts and Hall showed the world he has none and that the BYU program
is truly flawed and more importantly, reflected a contentious spirit (we all
know where that’s from)... and this episode reflected poorly on the
Church.Very disturbing, irreparable harm. This is how BYU’s
2009 season will be remembered.Utah…a true class program that
is building a dynasty, a program…not just one game. Utah
Football lives and plays by a true Code of Honor.How short sighted
the BYU program is.Shame on you Mr. Hall. Shame on you.
wear it, Ute fans!!
Does anybody care to point out to Max Hall that President Monson and several of
the apostles are self-admitted UTE Fans?
Way to speak up and stand up for your family. If Max didn't bring this up, who
would have known how classless the Ute fans can be.
I suppose if I were in Max Hall's shoes and had my wife and mom exposed to the
abuse they received while at RES I would probably hate them too. It
is amazing to me that the acts perpetrated on his family are ignored but his
comments about them are treated like a capital offense.
As a BYU fan and graduate, I say that Max Hall is classless! His apology -
sincere as it may seem - does not even help. What I have deduced from his
apology is his "premeditated hate"! - He would have been a bigger man, bigger
husband, bigger individual, bigger player had he not let his emotions control
Wow, all the animosity over a stupid game. Makes me glad I'm not a football
fan. Judging by the comments I'm guessing my IQ is not low enough to be a
"As I have loved you...."
I've been reading a bunch of the comments on here from both sides and I still
don't get the outrage. Multiple Utah players have said the exac samething
over the years. So what? Where was the call for suspensions and the fake
indignity then? On this board lots of Utah fans continue to admit, support and
encourage the classless behavior that Max called out, what does that tell you?
There's a lot more to what Max has had to deal with from Utah fans
than just the beer incident. Utah fans have been brutal to him and his family.
Everyone on here knows that is a fact. So give him some room to react. I have no
problem with his comments. When Utah players made the same comment in the past,
Idisagreed and then ignored them. And don't forget...BYU
won!!!! Great game. Classic ending. No amount of excuses or whining can change
the final score.
Just curious in the midst of all this, did Morgan Scalley issue a formal apology
his comments about BYU? Did he get any sort of disciplinary action from the
coaches? It has been a while, and I dont remember what if anything happened to
Hard to believe Max ends such a prolific career with comments that is not only a
poor reflection on himself but the program as well. His legacy and
statistics will stand by virtue of his performance on the field but
unfortunately now it will be tainted with comments of hate that will also be
included in that legacy. Max, is this really how you wanted to go
The 2009 BYU and Utah football teams are good teams for the Mountain West. But
TCU is a excellent team that could compete with anybody, just like 2008 Utah
Utes did last year. The BYU 2009 football team are slow, clumsy and loses their
composure when thing go bad. BYU was never a great team. Also Max Hall lost his
composure again saying the Utes had no class. Max Hall always loss his composure
while playing great teams, Not a star quarterback. His status as a quarterback
are good playing good teams, not great teams.
I am a life long BYU fan, and of course I was more than happy with a win on Sat.
Yes Max's comments were inapportiate, but I must say if someone treated my
family with such disrespect I to would not be ashamed to say it. I am willing
to bet anyone who's wife, mother, and family were treated like Max's last year
would feel the same way and if you say other wise, well I guess thats your
problem, Ute fans can say whatever they want but when BYU says something back
they'll cry like a bunch babies!!!! Go Max!!! and go Cougars!!!!!
Max Hall is such a great ambassador for the school. NOT!
Help me understand why Max Hall said BYU deserved to win yesterday's game? Does
he feel a special sense of entitlement?
I am sure more schools around the country have less respect for BYU than Utah,
is this how the LDS church/BYU are teaching their kids how to be a good sport?
Maybe this could be the new commercial.. "isnt it about...class?"
You Ute fans who bantered Max Hall throughout the past year are now the ones who
are so apalled at his strong words. Being the target of hundreds of ignorant
comments and criticisms for the past year I'm sure hasn't done anything to
endear the Utes and the university to Max. Having his family targeted at RES
with no corrective action by the UofU administration or athletic department
shows that they apparently condone such actions. For the sake of BYU, Max has
apologized, but obviously his "dislike" for everything UofU has festered and is
very personal. Too bad the classlessness of a small percentage of Ute fans has
brought condemnation of the whole school. Max's comments may have done the same
for BYU, but Max has apologized, has the UofU?
You have brought shame to this Great University. Bronco and the University need
to act tomorrow.
As a transplant to Utah, this game shows that both BYU and Utah have too much
"little man" in them. A lot of petty stuff with people rooting for both teams
when they don't play each other. What is that? Good for the MWC and the state
of Utah. Please. Silly is what that is.I am beginning to dislike
the MWC and both BYU and Utah fans. I graduated from UCLA and USC scored a last
second TD over the Bruins last night. I am over it. Maybe those of us from PAC
10 country are a bit more mature. By the way, I never root for other PAC 10
teams, but I might start this bowl season.
Hate is too strong of a word. Besides Boise State is too good for the MWC as
evidenced by their 11-o record against the MWC and their BCS accolades.
What was said was wrong, i am sure utes are not perfect,all your whining will
not change the football score, get over your loss and look toward next year.
is that the rest of the country could care less about this game. Most major
sports shows barely even covered it. Next to nothing is being covered by the
nationals about Max and his comments. The news has been filled with
great examples of how class organization win or lose. BYU showed they still
don't have a program that can win or lose with dignity, and take this little
riff with Utah a little too seriously. I can't stand the Notre Dame program,
but I have respect for it and its players have handled a very tough year. BYU
could take a few lessons from their Catholic friends on what it means to have a
storied and respected program. Max is a hot head that lets his
emotions impact his performance on and off the field. BYU deserves better
representation then that. We should all expect more of BYU football, and their
fans, if they both intend on standing for something. Otherwise, the Y is just
another B rate program wishing they were more.
Every last one of you need to get a life! The fact that anyone is pining on
about this is a tribute to all the stupidity that surrounds this event. Find
something that is realy worth fighting for!
You mean judging Max the same way Max judged all of the Utah fans, students,
alumni, and administration?
Paul Krueger's pick in tonight's NFL game looked a lot like his pick of Max last
I'm a huge byu fan but I am sadly disappointed in the way Hall let his anger get
the best of him. I have many Utah fans as friends and they are are all
wonderful people. I can't show up to work and talk smack because I am
embarrassed by what Max said. Max's words hurt the university and leaves a bad
taste in the mouth after a very hard, spirited win. I'm sure he thinks he
had every reason to be upset but his comments will only make the rivaly worse in
the wrong (unhealthy) way.
Max's comments answer perhaps some of the "on the field" struggles he had
yesterday. Too bad he has allowed the bitter emotions of this rivalry to get
this best of him. The heat of the rivalry however doesn't excuse what Utah fans
did to his family. I am from California and took my family to RES in 2006. We
tried to remain neutral but when people figured out we leaned towards BYU we had
very similar experience.
So I dont hate you guys or anything. Just trying to prove a point. I hope some
of what I said got through to you guys. Maybe next article you will be more fair
with what you decide to filter.Cause the way you handled this
Message board and others on here before was pretty pathetic. Agreed ??Good
Unlike some, I was not too concerned with the word "hate." And I think Max
simply mispoke when he termed the entire university classless. The problematic
issue to me is that Max (and those that support his comments) think they
"deserve" to beat Utah. Based on what? The implied sense of entitlement and
superiority is disturbing. Class is much more aligned with humility than with
I have always been a Utah, BYU and MWC/former WAC fan (I am a Utah grad and have
three kids at BYU) but the public statements in support of Max Hall's comments
make it difficult to want to see them succeed. This really is a black mark on
the program. It's a shame but I'm sure I represent hundreds or thousands who
feel the same way.
I am disapointed that so many have excused or worse condoned the hateful
sentiments of this BYU quarterback. If these were private or heat of the moment
comments, which they weren't, they would be bad enough. In this case they were
very public, while acting as a representive of the school which in return
represents the Church. These comments were expressions of long held and
infectious emotions. No one condones the over the top behavior shown his family
but that is simply no excuse to abuse this platform.
I am sure glad I took the U of U job.BCS 1 - 0
Max,You are no Jim McMahon. Shame on you Bro
Have any of you judges of Max Hall walked a mile in his shoes. I thought not.
Hundreds of you have cast pretty stern judgemants on Max. Carefull for with that
judgement you judge so shall ye be judged. Think back about your comments. Are
you guilty of the same thing Max did. Do you think you are less guilty than Max
because you said it in private or only around a few peole. All you have to do is
read these comments and a great many of you have condemed Max for things you
probaly have thought or spoken aloud. If you have then apply your judgements to
yourself. I find that I have a lot of room for improvement in this area. Hence
forth I will make an effort to grow up, settle down and act more like I should.
What about you?
Max,At least you got to play the entire season. I don't hate UT and
OSU. And even if I did, I wouldn't say it publicly.BTW - Have you
ever met Will Rogers? Just wondering?
Come on Max,Just grow up!
Even us Mesa Moms cannot condone want young Max said. At least he didn't attend
ASU or U of A. Good luck BYU with this PR nightmare.
I live in SLC and will go to Utah's b-ball games to cheer for whoever plays
None necessary from Provo. BYU owns Utah.
Well, I'm a big BYU fan who thinks Max Hall went too far in his comments.
Nothing good has come from them. I agree that there are a lot of classless Ute
fans out there, but I'm sure there are just as many classy ones. I'm sure he is
already regretting his words. This only made him look bad, and I actually think
he's a good person at heart.This is when rivalry goes too far. It's
just a game.
Not true. All made up by Hall-hate-mongerers
You feel powerful?? LOL hah ha You and your delete button. I noticed someone
made a comment about telling 5 people like I am going to do. Was that you
stealing my idea ???
Kudos. Your comment says it all!!!
You can tell from some of the comments on here that BYU has classless fans also.
Not just Utah. It was a hard fought battle and BYU came up lucky this year
thanks to their defense not Hall.I have been to many games at BYU
where fans swore at Utah fans and tried to pic fights before and after the game.
There are some good Utah fans and good BYU fans and then there are the others
that take it too far on both sides. That is too bad.In reality both
schools have a majority of MORMONs who attend them who dont drink beer. Too bad
this story was picked but by the natioanl media giving mormons a bad name.
Read the first of the article folks! Harmon pointed out Hall was jeopardizing
his status for future games with his unsportsmanlike talk. Harmon knew Hall was
on thin ice. Notice he didn't comment further or defend.... Why join Hall on
thin ice?This isn't just an incident for which BYU potentially
penalizes Hall. The Mountain West Conference makes decisions regarding conduct
on and off the field and maybe Hall has played his last game. His
timing for such an outburst hurts himself, BYU, and the LDS church. This has
become a story being carried in other areas. News reports state others are
looking to see what the "LDS church school" with an honor code will do with such
conduct. I personally hope BYU has the integrity to handle it before
the MWC does it for them.
Black eye Max you as a supposedly leader of the team just gave yourself a black
eye. I think the game was a great game from two great teams. I have many
friends both ute and cougar fans. I love our fun rivalry and when it goes to
what you said then the fun is gone, respect is gone, and without question you
set a bad example for the rest of the team and fans that support your comments.
To bad maturity is not a virtue that you have. Congratulations to the cougars
and the utes for a good game.
(Yawn) This is such a non-story in rivalry sports towns across America. This is
embarassing that Hall's comments are becoming a distraction away from a great
game. This is why this rivalry will never be mentioned among the big
school rivalries across the country.We Utahn's are a thin skinned
BCS Scoreboard:Utah 2-0Boise State 1-0 (and soon to be
Utahs only D1 classy team USU.
As a long time BYU fan, Hall should apologize. He did no favors to BYU saying
what he said about the entire Utah program. The simple fact is both sides have
fans and players that do inappropriate things. What would be WAY different is if
either school or program put teeth in their perspective, and took action to
correct the behavior, whether it is with the players or the fans.However, why is it Bronco does not get in his players face when they pull an
unsportsmanlike call. We saw several times when Kyle W. from Utah does, but
Bronco just shakes his head, and does not get after his player. Why not?I tend to agree that if Bronco wanted to send a message to Hall, his
other players, and college football in general, he would suspend him for a
portion of time in the bowl game. But, most likely, he will just shake his head
and go on, because he gets paid to win the game. A true fan expects
more than just a head shake when behavior is unacceptable!
You really can't blame Max for being jealous. After all, the Utes accomplished
in his career what he never could (undefeated season, BCS berth). Definitely a
little childish on his part, but I certainly understand his envy....
Iam glad byu won but I'm not happy with max there are somethings you just have
to bite your tonuge and keep to yourself the u of u is a great school
Big Deal. Game is over. Move on. It's Football! Take the religion thing out
of it. Last time I looked none of us were perfect. Look toward the Bowl Games
and let's hope the MWC can dominate. Go Cougs. Go Utes.
Max,A negative 150!
I'm so glad Max Hall is done, can we please get a division-1 athlete to play
quarterback, who isn't afraid of a little speed. I hope that Washington Kid is
is it true coach Witts wife got a fat lip at the game?
i was mortified when i read his comments. they were inappropriate and stupid.
he should have acted with grace and class and he chose not to. i hope everyone
knows he spoke on his own not for the team and fans.
Four names that will always be remembered for BYU wins.Hey Utah
fans, Collie, George, and Harline are still open!
Since when does a cheap shot equate with courage?
Congratulations BYU...you finally beat a team that's ranked at the end of the
Max Hall's comments remind me of the little Dog who barks at the big dog knowing
that there is a fence between them.
Because they will punish Max Hall. This is a clear violation of the honor code.
He should be expelled. The bowl game is not enough!
The real victims of Hall's comments are the BYU defense, Harvey Unga and Andrew
George. This controversy has taken away from their play. They won the game for
BYU. And hardly any one is talking about them.
The really funny thing about all this is that there was no BCS on the line and
no conference championship on the line. This game was for nothing. If we are
acting like this what is it going to be in 5 years down the line? Hall's
comments will be taken into the game next year at RES. What will happen? Each
year the ante is upped. Time to send a message and it starts with BYU standing
tall and holding Hall accountable.
Max Hall has no class. Way to disappoint the BYU fanbase.
BYU 26Utah 23Max Hall's
only thing that matters is SCOREBOARD. Say all you want, Max was a winner when
it came to his record versus UTAH. Thats all that will be remembered. Nice
game Max....the guilty taketh the truth to be hard.
We should all encourage five of our friends to cheer on BYU in their bowl game.
800 posts X 5 would be 4,000 cheers/prayers.
The difference is that personal fouls were called by the referees on the field.
Hall's remarks will get no personal foul, no yellow flag. He took the fight off
the field and made it very personal. It is up to BYU to throw the flag on the
behavior...we all know it won't happen!!
I don't see why everyone out in Utah is so worked up. Max Hall didn't insult
anyone's sister or cousin?Roll Tide!
...looking for Utah in the BCS ranking. We seemed to have replaced them.But, BYU and sweet 16!!!
...and then rise and shout, because the Cougars are out--on top.
Citing a classless act (assuming it is true) by one or a few Utah fans, Hall
committed a intensely classless act by publicly slandering an entire university,
fan base and football program -- all while wearing a Cougar uniform and serving
as team captain. At best, hypocritical -- at worst, a display of inexcusable
hatred. He could have said that he disliked certain fan behavior.
But that is not what he said.What I can't understand is the
irrational support that certain fans give this conduct. Because they think his
family was mistreated (or have heard or experienced their own anecdotal story of
fan abuse), it is perfectly acceptable for Hall to up the ante and engage in
even a more classless act? Where is the character that BYU is
supposed to value so highly? All I see is the weak argument that
two wrongs make a right.In the meantime, BYU's administration is
We should all be nice.I'll tell you what is really nice, 3 out of 4
My opinion of you rose ten fold. Thank you
You have great courage. We think you are great.
nobody will remember this. But, we will remember the great win. Thank you Utah
for accomodating us.
...BYU students and alum are confident in who they are does not mean they are
looking down on you.Why do you feel so threatened by us?
Wrong, nobody outside of this board cares about what Hall said.BYU
is an incredible missionary tool. If you do not see that you are either not LDS
or are overcome with your hatred of BYU to see how good it is.
"Hall just said what Utah fans think and want to say about BYU. The only
difference is that remarks from the Utah side would be filled with
obscenities."That comment is why there is such a divide here in
...will always have a great memory. What will you have?
Utah had double the penalties as BYU, and most of those personal fouls.I think that shows that Utah cannot control their temper.All who
are ripping on Hall should get a yellow flag right now.
the BYU athletic program is a shining beacon to the world.I've been
told that the athletic program for BYU is a missionary tool for the LDS
Church.Well, maybe someone should let the LDS church in on the fact
that one of their "missionaries" is being quoted on national TV/Radio/Newspapers
because he hates Utah and all of their classless fans (including many of the
current general authorities for the same said LDS church).Awesome
Let's just all let the water roll off our backs and then move on to celebrating
a great BYU victory over Utah.
Oops - too late
Hall just said what Utah fans think and want to say about BYU. The only
difference is that remarks from the Utah side would be filled with obscenities.
Fun game to watch from the stands. Always a bi-line associated with the game
though that takes away from the game itself. Can't everybody just grow up? As a
Utah transplant and fan of both schools, I have never seen such childish
behavior from both sides. BYU fans...don't be so sensitive. Utah fans...don't
be so naive. All fans...take a deep breath, get ready for work tomorrow, and go
TCU!BYU, and Utah!
Hear ye, hear ye.Utah lost (again).
I hope all the BYU fans and all their hate and love of Max Hall had a good time
in church today.
I'd vote for him any day.
I have not read the 776 comments and won't, so I do not know if this has been
mentioned, but I would suggest he be suspended for the bowl game. I love BYU
and generally like Max, but he was completely selfish and did BYU no favors with
his comments. Bronco should discipline him, granted it would be a hard
decision, but to save face for the program Max needs to be suspended. This is
not the NFL. BYU does not need some rouge QB tarnishing the program's
reputation. This would be a great time to send a message, AND give Riley Nelson
some good experience for next year.I love to see BYU win, and I
DISLIKE the Utes, but this was dumb.
That Max Hall, being the face of BYU Football as captain & Qb, is such a great
role model for my kids. He's taught them a great lesson in sportsmanship &
teamwork!!!! I want my kids to grow up to be just like him!!! NOT!!!!!!
Furthermore, hardly anyone in Utah gives a rip about this. There are just a few
people who are making a big deal about this.For most: BYU is really
happy and Utes are really sad.Nobody cares about Hall's comments.
As a Ute I extend an appology to all visitors at RES who have been mistreated.
Unfortunately we have many infants dressed like big people.
Here is the reality folks. Outside of the Wasatch, nobody gives a rip about
Utah and only the LDS care about BYU.
Glad I'm a Cougar fan. I will love it for a whole year. BYU beats USU and
Utah. King of the state.
And this, folks, is why no NFL team will ever touch Maxine Hall. Game over.
We ALL support you. You did the right thing. Way to give an example of
What's laughable is that his HATE for Utah showed more in the press conference
then on the field. He was outplayed by a true freshman. BJ will always be
remembered as someone who found a way to win and lead his team with his arwimpy
hismouth to an undefeated #2 ranking. Max will be known for Collie and
Georgie is still open that led to Vegas.The sad thing is Hall won't
be playing next year at RES. At least beer won't be wasted on some other poor
I'm a Ute fan and decided to check out this message board, but will now stay
off. College football has come down to this, Ute and BYU fans hating each
other, and that hate has spilled on to the field. This rivalry is stupid and
goes beyond the BCS, but the BCS has only made it worse! Must we all act like
immature adults/children??? Some of us need to get a life! I'd rather be
hanging out with hot girl on a Saturday night than fighting over the state of
Utah in football game. Plus, I'd rather go to and win BCS bowl games than fight
over a state that doesn't result in championships. Peace out.
Classy:Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow and almost all Utah and BYU fans.Classless:Max Hall's comments and the knucleheads at every
This is further proof that Coach Mendenhall has absolutely no control over his
team or his players.
I am very embarassed as a BYU Grad that Max Hall can spew such hatred and not be
Maybe a mandatory class in public speaking would be good punishment and help for
Max Hall is so awesome, righteous,and yet so humble. If you can't tell, I'm
Uh, they don't serve beer at Rice Eccles Stadium. So all this booze that's being
"showered" on BYU fans and Max's family.... where's it coming from? Oh! Wait! I
know, Utah fans sneak it in, right? They sneak kegs in their socks. No, wait.
They spew beer from their mouths like profanity, right? Well, my family got
showered with baby vomit and sprite, both of which are more sticky than beer.
Even if he is Max Hall
Nice comments Max. Spineless to throw down comments like that AFTER you will no
longer have to face the Utes. Oh yeah, too bad you choked earlier in the season
and gave away what will likely be the Coug's best chance at a BCS run for a long
time. Yes, you barely squeaked by a rebuilding Utes squad but they also have a
couple BCS trophies on their shelf. Enjoy the Vegas Bowl again...you deserve
Glad I'm an Aggie!
Why does the wind blow so hard near the point of the mountain?
Im a twelve year old and I don't think max should feel any guilt about what he
said, if he didn't feel so strongly about utah it wouldnt be such a great game.
Cougar rock. You Utah fans just misunderstood him.
Well done Mr. Hall. You have embarassed yourself and BYU for years to come with
the finest comments to come from the "church" school since Lenny Gomes stating
that all U of U grads will grow up to pump his gas.
Poor sport Max has embarrassed the Church Leaders with his un-Christian like
comments. Of course it would only embarrass them if they were Christians.
I am the utah fan you hate. I do not pour beer on anyone. I have my doctorate.
I pay taxes. I have helped raise four children: lawyer, computer specialist,
NASA employee, and criminologist. Unlike you, I have served in a war and have
my decorations and memories, even my disabilities.In my world, you
are known as a pimple. How emb. for all who know you.
if any of you have ever been to a game at REC, you KNOW that beer isn't sold. it
also is absolutely not let in the gates either, so go ahead and make up stories
max about your mom getting beer dumped on her, now you just look like a total
idiot. win or lose, that was that rant was completely unclassy. so was you
yelling the f word on tv. this is a lesson in remembering that when you point a
finger, you have 3 more pointing back at you. better watch your mouth. oh and
did he forget that half of the leaders in his church are fans of the university
of utah? im sure they really appreciated your comments just like the rest of us.
Max we don't all support you and wish you would have kept your big mouth shut!
The cougars rock Good luck your last game
Grow some skin people! Sticks and Stones! I have to admit its a great way for
yewt fans to deflect the fact they lost. Go ahead call me a name or insult my
faith or family, I will be fine. Some of you are way to sensitive. Way to go
To the Mother and Wife of Max Hall:I am sorry for any enbarrassment
your son/husband may have and will cause you with hia idiotic comments.
Max, ignore all of these posts that are small minded and name calling.1. We know you are right.2. We appreciate your talent.It
is funny when Utah fans say you are mediocre. Do they realize that you beat
them. So what does that make their team?Must be the UofU education
not sinking through.
Max, what a great example you set... *dripping with sarcasm*
Meh. I don't care what Max Hall thinks about me. His comments and the comments
of those BYU fans defending him on this board show why so many LDS people are
put off by BYU and their athletics. I have to admit though, that was mighty big
of him to make these comments when he's on his way out.
Where have we gotten as society where we have so much hate. Being a life long
Utah fan and spending almost 40 years here in the state, I can tell you what the
dogmatic issues are on both sides. In a nutshell, too many Utah fans (not all)
think BYU is self righteous. This runs the gamet of root premises. They know it
all, feel they are the moral compass for the rest of the world, are better fans
and people than Utah fans and people (it goes on and on). On the flip side BYU
fans, again too many of them (not necessarily the majority) feel the Ute tribe
are barbarians, blood thirsty cougar hunters, godless secularists, and wife
beating alcholholics. Thus, when these two schools play it's a holy war.
Actually, it's not just when the Utes and Cougars play anymore (week leading up
to the game ect...). It's like the whole year now leading up to next years game.
It all starts after each game concludes.
Thank you Max for four great years. Now onto one more win.
I find the overwhelming number of comments left above laughable. Some of the
Ute fans so indignant about Max’s comments that they feel he should be
benched in the bowl game. Imagine that, a Ute fan so incensed about his
comments that they recommend that the BYU starting quarterback be benched.
People trying to show that they are classier than the other by criticizing their
other’s class or lack thereof. Some people are so offended that they said
they will withdraw donations to the school. Max shouldn’t
have said what he did but this is why I love college sports. These folks
aren’t millionaires running around with agents and spin doctors, they are
college athletes and sometimes they say and do things that are unscripted. Max
has strong feelings after last year. Still not right but take his comments for
what they are worth and no more. I see it as pure emotion at the college level.
If anyone on either side chooses to be deeply offended, that is your choice but
that also is missing the point of college athletics.
last yr. when the frogs lost at utah the only thing you heard was the
disappointment of the players and coaches and the tears in the locker room and
the sense of urgency the team had to get better.....no bad mouthing anyone or
shifting responsibility. regardless of the beer being poured on anyone, which
is classless to say the least, great teams work to get better and ignore
emotional issues that don`t settle anything. tcu has been the class of the mtn.
west this yr. and the talking they did happened on the field. let`s have a few
less beers at the tailgate and more good fellowship on the field and in the
stands. we could all take a lesson from the horns and aggies when it comes to
handling intense in state rivalries. by the way, the frogs have 16 returning
starters not counting the running backs! the heck w/ the east coast bias in the
polls.....this yrs. nat`l champ resides in the mtn west! just ask
byu,utah,clemson,uva,air force and the rest of the mtn west.here`s blood
in your eye from our`s.
Please stop beating me!
One thing that I think that Max Hall doesn't realize or has chosen to over look
is that there is good and bad in whatever you do in this world. I have heard
over the years bad things about the BYU fans just as I've heard bad things about
Utah. Unfortunately there are more "Slobbering Drunks" on the Utah side, than on
the BYU side. But we all live in this world, and we need to see some of the good
in whatever we do or support. I've been a BYU supporter all my life. And I
will likely always be. But I do have trouble with comments of hate from people
like Max Hall who represent an instution that is based on anything but hate. But
through it all Max Hall is an individual. And he is accountable for what he
says. But nobody should hold this unfortunate comment against a organization
such as BYU, or Utah if the shoe was on the other foot. Bottom line shame
on Max Hall for getting caught up in the moment and not controlling his mouth.
obviously lots of people feel like Hall... and lots of the classless utes (ie
those commenting here) also hate hall and byu... so if this gets your panties in
a knot... you all need to get a life...
Max Hall doesn't represent all BYU fans or students, and some of the bad Ute
fans, don't represent all Ute fans. Who cares what he said. We'll see you next
year at Rice Eccles!
Max is a stud I totally respect him go cougar!
Max hall is a freaking stud go cougs
Dear Max,You represent Brigham Young University, you represent the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, you represent returned
missionaries, you represent eagle scouts. Shame on you. You owe them all an
apology for an incredible display of poor judgement.
When the Cougs lost a game in their Quest for Perfection season, they said it
wasn't all about winning, it was also about building character.Well,
0 for 2, Max.Let's see what Bronco does to teach character after
that bad display on national television.
Classless is right! Max you have no class.
I was a Utah fan but am tired of what goes on at RES. Looking into WSU or USU
tickets next year.
Its clear Mr. Hall hates the Utes, but do you think he would be willing to come
up north to help Brian Johnson polish his Sugar Bowl MVP trophy? Maybe then he
would feel better.
This is the trouble with the BYU - Uof U rivialry. It has gotten completely out
of proportion. Not all U of U fans poured beer on Max's relatives.
I am a avid Utah fan but cheer for BYU every week they are not playing the U. My
Grandfather Joseph B. Wirthlin played football for the U. He also served on the
general board of BYU for many years but he was not shy and was known for his
love for the U. He like me cheered for BYU when they did not play the U. The
comments made by Max Hall were obviously ridiculous, stereotypical, and terribly
generalized. One thing BYU should always stand for as a representative of the
Church, is class and sportsmanship. His remarks brought shame to the school, our
Church, and his name. And won't easily be forgotten. As a Utah a fan I hope Max
does the right thing and is accountable for his words, what ever the punishment
the administration of BYU might be. As a member of the Church we believe in
second chances, so I with many other U fans, extend this chance for Max to do
the right thing, to right the wrong and prove what kind of a man he really is.
I am a BYU fan, but Max Hall just deflated my chest a little. His remarks were
as classless as anything I have ever seen, and elevates Utah in my view. Good
riddance to you Hall.
It's funny how not one post is defending the scum bag who threw beer on hall's
family. But all we(utes) r saying is why do u greater people with a greater
understanding of "why we are here" hate all of us. I have never held, drank,
purchased, or thrown alchol. But because I support the u of u athletics u max
hall hate me. You cougs that support hall need a real reality check. The person
who threw beer is a grade "A" chump we agree. The majority of us pay tithing so
that scholarships are available to people all over the world to go to
BYUincluding athletes, and I gladly do it. I remember a couple years ago when a
Black byu bball player who had tatoos down his arm was photographed to go in the
program but the School edited his image to hide the tats. This I assume to
protect the image of the school( although hafa's image was intact. I hope the
school in this situation also acts to fix itsimage.
Anyone else think it's strange his family had beer thrown on them in a stadium
(either RES or LES) that doesn't sell beer? I know people sneak in flasks and
stuff, but I have yet to see somebody sneak in beer. Sounds kind of fishy to me.
I really would appreciate an explanation, because it is unacceptable for people
to throw beer on player's families, I just don't believe that it really
happened. If he'd said coke it would have been a much more believable story.
Way to go Max! Like I needed another reason to dislike you. You may hold a lot
of records but you are a mediocre quarterback at best and your public rant
higlighted your lack of class and sportsmanship. Good riddance!
He has had bad games against Utah through his career. No wonder he hates Utah.
He may have won games against them but it wasn't because of him. It was because
of his teammates. His stats suck against Utah for the last 2yrs especially. That
is why he hates them...he is not successful against them. Veteran
BYU team against a Freshman QB, no running game and yet you still almost loss.
Wow! To have your comment expressed in those words I say good for you Utah for
making Hall's career tough. He tries this at the next level which I don't see
him at, he will be targeted by the defense and many not last long in the league
due to injuries. You make a comment like that, you'd better back it up!
I'm a HUGE BYU fan. I now have no respect for Max Hall. He has no class. He
appears incredibly shallow and immature. Even if he is stupid enough to hate
people, especially many people he's never even met, wow. I hope, for his sake,
he grows up sometime.To all of those he insulted, I apologise on
behalf of the vast majority of BYU fans and players who actually have class and
respect your team and university.
It goes both ways folks. There are classy and stupid fans on both sides. It is
confirmed to me every time I hear the barrage of f-bombs heaped upon me every
other year when I walk into Lavell Edwards Stadium in my Utes attire. And don't
bring up the personal fouls, BYU had their share too.
Irrespective of who won or what the stakes were, giving into hate is not good
for any of us.We were at a game day party with a mixture of BYU and
Utah fans (including the Bishop and his counselors). Some good fun and mild
jokes but all understood that this is not life or death, just sports.
I am a big BYU fan but boo on Max Hall classless
I'm usually happy for both Utah and BYU when it comes football season, but Max
Hall's rants are a little bit too much. It's pretty sad when you have such a
classy Head Coach in Mendenhall for such a classy program, and such a bad
representative for the state of Utah, the LDS church and College Football in Max
Hall. I'll continue to support both teams with the upper hand going to the
Utes, but am looking forward to no longer seeing Max Hall next year.
Isn't the prophet a U of U alum?Nice comments regarding your prohpet, Max.
Interesting, but very predictable, that Hall waited a year, and only after a
victory in the safe confines of LES, to open his big pie hole. GUTLESS
COWARD.....too bad he won't be making another trip to Rice Eccles.We'll see you next November Riley Nelson.
I went to Church today - just like you. I went to seminary - just like you.
Served a mission, went to General Conference, wore the same white shirt, black
badge, loved my family, read the scriptures, said my prayers, gave to the
homeless shelter, took care of a sick friend...And you hate me why?
I feel like Max just yanked me down by my ponytail.I consider Mr.
Hall's comments deserve suspension. They are as egregious as the soccer player
from New Mexico, and LeBlount from Oregon. I do feel badly for Mr. Hall, as I
know what it feels like to lose your temper and say or do something you regret.
What would happen if the UT and BYU administrations got together and said they
weren't going to play the rivalry game for the foreseeable future?
I am a BYU MBA Grad, and have been a donor to the Marriot School and the BYU
Athletic department for many years, sponsoring a number of scholarships each
year for students from other countries to attend the Y. and for athletes to be a
good example of the Church. I hung with the Y. through the bad off the field
years with G. Crowton, and the Roger Reed ("you disappointed 10 million people")
debacle in basketball.However, after Max Hall (who I loved up until
today) made those comments about his hatred to the University of Utah and
"everything it stands for", I will halt my donations indefinitely to BYU in
whole. I feel bad for the Marriot School, but I cannot support a University that
lets this happen. I also feel bad for the good kids that go to the U.As far as I am concerned, the game was filled with classless actions -- on
both sides of the ball. The boys (red or blue) let emotion rule the day instead
of football. Max Hall's comments capped off a totally unsatisfying day, that is
normally a lot of fun - win or lose.
To Steve Hill of Brigham City - Very well said. These things [i.e., the
alledged beer throwing incident in 2008] can happen at all rivalry games - in
Utah or Missouri or California. The point is that most of those are reactionary
responses on the part of true morons. And - for those of you cougars who have
your heads out of the sand, they also happen at BYU games - becuase I know. Mr.
Hall's comments on the other hand were obviously premediated. While living out
of state for many years I had to many times defend BYU [even though I am a Utah
graduate] for actions on or off the field. I'm glad I don't have to defend
these disappointing comments from a true "hater".
Max's immature rant is exactly the reason why some of us, who are active LDS,
can't stand BYU sports. I live out-of-state, so I don't follow the Utah sports
scene in great detail, but my feeling is that many BYU fans are arrogant when
they win and totally classless when they lose. In this case, Hall is totally
classless in winning. If BYU is such a wonderful missionary tool (as some
claim) then Max Hall just burst that bubble! If he isn't reprimanded by the
NCAA or the MWC, he certainly ought to be reprimanded by BYU.
Too much hate in this rivalry. Isn't there already enough trouble in the world?
I would like to see the presidents of both institutions agree to a five-year
moratorium on athletic contests between the two schools in any sport. People
need to grow up a little.
RE: What a shameObviously Max Hall's comments were out of line, but
to put the blame on the head coach's arrogance and lack of humility? Are you
kidding? Where is that coming from? I am a proud BYU graduate and definitely
not ashamed to say that I am. We all need to remember that no one is perfect.
How does the saying go... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? We
all make mistakes -- too bad Max's was in front of the media and is causing so
much contention. He should apologize we should all forgive him.
Years ago, when seated in the student section, Utah won at BYU on a last minute
field-goal. I was pelted by all sorts of garbage by BYU fans and felt lucky to
get out alive. This obnoxious behavior goes both ways.
Gee, I just watched the Channel 2 news broadcast today, Sunday November 29, 2009
at 5:00 pm and guess what? They just mentioned, AGAIN, how Jaime Whittingham was
hit by a BYU fan!
wow, I've attended both institutions and cheered for both football teams. You
can only be as good as the opponents you face, so it would seem that both of
these teams are great. Too bad not all fans or players are made of equal grace
and sportsmanship.It's really saddening that Mr. Hall seems to think
that the U, with its research, contributions to medical breakthroughs and high
level of academic excellence is all for naught because some doofus frat boy
shook up a beer at a football game. Unfortunate behavior, but one that happens
at stadiums all over and not representative of the *majority* of U fans. It
would be like classifying all the people who live in UT county as mindless
sheep. Not true at all. Many of my colleagues and students at the U
have been exemplars of their faith and role models. I wish BYU had such a role
model in Max Hall. Unfortunate, that. I'll be looking towards Wynn's growth as
a QB over the next several years. Hopefully he'll be a great role model and
take a lesson on 'how-not-to-act' from Hall.
I'm not a big fan of either school, but Max's comments are totally out of line.
Even if he truly feels that way, keep it to yourself. It's too bad he didn't
have that kind of fire when they played FSU or TCU, maybe they would have had a
better outcome. Also, those kinds of comments will NEVER get him to the next
Wow. . . I served in a Bishopric in Wyoming with Wyoming players who said the
WORST fans in the MWC were in Provo! The Provo fans would use profane language
at the families of the Wyoming players, spit and throw food on them! That's
class Maxie! Hall's statements just make me loathe BYU all the more! Here's to
the Utes spanking them next year, badly, and maybe . .if I keep paying my
tithing and saying my prayers . . .The Cowboys will work them over too!
it seems that everyone on both sides seem to have a "good" reason for behaving
in a less than acceptable manner. Keep it fun & keep it clean. I can understand
Max's perspective, but in no way condone it. I have my own "Ute" experience that
turned this into more of a rivalry for me, but I realize there are boneheads on
both sides & that keeps things in perspective. I saw lots of trash talking on
both sides with lots of cheap shots - see David Reed on UT first drive after
being tackled for a big loss. Jorgensen was apparently taunting him & Reed hit
him right across the mask causing his head to whip around - right in front of
the official & he quickly turned his head away as if not to see it. In other
words, sometimes you see/hear what you want to. It is a game! If it has become
more than that for you, seek help. Apologize Max. It's not worth it!
So I guess it's ok for my me to teach my son to hate BYU fans and Mormons since
he had Hot Chocolate spilled on him purposely and spitwads thrown at him at the
FSU & TCU game? I even had BYU fans cussing at him. The kid is 12 years
old!!!!!I've taught him better than that so he doesn't hate them...maybe
BYU needs to teach their students better as well!!!
wonder why they're not undefeated? no class max is selish and looks out for #1
always, i know him personally and he's "too cool" for many. He obviously hates
the church leaders of the school he goes too. If he hates his leaders he must
not suport them! hall is an R.M. and needs to remember that.
This hatred and lack of integrity all stems from the head coach of the BYU
program. He is the perfect exmple of arrogance and lack of humility and I am
not the least bit suprised that such comments would come from a player on his
team. I am ashamed to call myself a BYU grad!
I want to apologize to the University of Utah and its team for Hall's
disappointing comments. I'm saddened at his immaturity and how it reflects on
BYU. He should offer an apology to the U, and I hope that the administration
asks him to do so.I continue to hear about "beer showers" at Rice
Eccles, but alcohol is not sold there. And, after having attended many games
there myself, I have never witnessed the behavior described (although I know
that both sides have fans that do dumb things). To my friends who
are part of the U, again I apologize for Max. He doesn't speak for all who are
associate with BYU.
FYI Cougar Fans, Beer is not allowed on Campus. Sound like Max is breaking yet
another commandment. Thou Shalt not Lie.
Dito what max said. Couldn't have said it better.
Max Hall's comments were totally understandable considering how his family were
treated last year on Ute territory. Throwing beer on people and verbally
abusing them is far more classless behavior. Way too win, cougars!
Memo to Max Hall:You will go down as a mediocre quarterback for BYU,
but your hatred comments are what everyone will always remember about you.
Unless you never leave the bubble of Springville, these "classless Utes" will be
all around you--they will be the business people you associate with. They will
be the doctors and nurses that help out you and your family. These classless
Utes will be your neighbors, your ward members, and possibly a Bishop or a Stake
President. I feel pity for you because this ridiculous, classless comment will
follow you for the rest of your life. Aren't we, as LDS people, taught to do
exactly the opposite of what you said? Wow. And all of you BYU fans who agree
with his comments? Looks like you are stooping to the level of a Ute. Classless.
Why the story about Whittingham's wife getting punched by a BYU fan is being
suppressed by the local news??Maybe too much embarrassment from the BYU
faithful for one event???
Max Hall was able to speak his opinion. Everyone has the right to an opinion it
just happens that Max's opinion was broadcast. Many UTE fans hate BYU and decide
it is ok to physically and verbally assault other people. That is wrong, period.
Even if we are not talking about BYU-Utah, in any situation personal attacks are
wrong. My suggestions to Utah fans - Get over it.My
suggestions to BYU fans - Get over it.He said what he said. I'm
tired of all athletes in all sports being watched over like hawks and expected
to act perfectly, speak perfectly and do everything correctly. And then when
they act like a human being and make a mistake or two they are scrutinized and
thought of as a horrible person. Please please please treat them like a normal
person, because that's who they are.
Has been from day one. Max is not a team player. That is the reason BYU is not
undefeated and not playing for the NC.
The JW story is true...I saw it happen..
I'm just wondering what Max would have said if the Y had lost?
He who is without sin cast the first stone ...
I love football. Thats all there is too it. I will say I am a major Utah Fan
but on top of that I have a great respect for BYU. It surprised me to see a BYU
quarterback mouth off. Football is suposed to be fun. It sounds cheesy but
it's true. What Max Hall said was very unsportsman like and it is NOT football.
Bagging on the other team is a waste of energy and time. Good game Utah. Good
game BYU. See you next year.
This Mormon rant is boring. People get tired of hearing that the Mormon
standard is so high. This is just one example that not everyone who is Mormon
is an example of excellence. Mormons have the same problems as anyone else and
aren't any better examples than anyone else.
So after Max's rant about Utah fans, what will be the response from Utah fans at
RES next yearA. to prove that Max false by showing how classy they
areB. to prove that everything that Max said about them is
As a Background investigator I realize MAD MAX may not hold any government
and/or public safety job since he "hates" a class of people. Have fun selling
Max, I'm from Brigham City. If you have the guts, contact me. The BYU fans
who support you are as classless as you. (BYU fans supporting him — go
read the Book of Mormon. You won’t find anything that condones what he
said, no matter what was done to his family by a bunch of morons. Make sure you
read about Alma the Younger, by the way). I've had friends who are Utah fans
have soda thrown on them (But that's okay since it's not beer, right?), called
names you sure don't hear in Church, physically assaulted, etc (all at BYU -
imagine that). There are jerks everywhere; some throw beer; others make foolish
statements to the press. Too bad you're not intelligent enough to know you
represent my Church. You clueless response, sadly, reflects on me. If Pres.
Samuelson or Bronco have an ounce of principle, they’ll sit you down for
your bowl game. I’m sure they won’t. More’s the pity. I
hope the day comes that you grow up and realize how dim-witted you are calling
someone classless when, after your statement, the dictionary says see you.
Whoever wrote this is probably the most thoughtful person out there. A lot of
the rest of you are just fueling the fire that made MAx go off in the first
place. Yes it was a stupid thing to say but certainly not unprovoked. A lot of
people involved with this rivalry could use a little more class.
Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.It is amazing what
built up guilt will produce. Guilt from knowing you gave away the game last
year with the worst qb performance ever in the U/Y series.Have fun
in the Canadian league if you can make it there. We only have to see you choke
in one more bowl game.xxooeveryone
Beer??? Utah has a zero-tolerance policy towards alcohol on campus, dorms ans
stadium. So how did anyone throw beer? Also he hates the program? This was
designed by a great coach and a Mormon.
How Much money would BYU save if they axed the sports program? Is even an ounce
of "Hateful" exposure worth the publicity of BYU football. By the way other
news agences are picking up the "Mormon" QB story versus the "Christian" QB
Max Hall just defined his legacy which is sad for the young man. As much as his
spectacular accomplishments on the field it will be the rant that people
remember. He also places the LDS Church and BYU in an awkward
position. Max Hall is now the face of Mormon football and sites that barely
heard of Hall or BYU are wondering how those two entities will respond to how he
has represented the institutions. To quote one reporter, “It will be
interesting to see how BYU -- which holds itself up as a paragon of virtue in
the college football world -- responds to its star player proudly proclaiming
his hate.” The gold standard of a religious affiliated college football
program is Notre Dame and their star quarterback, Jimmie Clausen, would be
benched for the bowl game if he had gone on an orgy of hate like that. Next
week should see comments from Hall, Mendenhall and BYU worth watching.
Unfortunately, there are times where you must be a little more PC than usual.
Although the comments were probably more true than not he should have worked on
the delivery a bit more.
I certainly hope that Coach Mendenhall thinks very seriously about suspending
Max Hall for the bowl game. I seriously think that if Coach Mendenhall doesn't
do the right thing, then the MWC Commissioner will suspend Max Hall.
Jealousy leads to hatred. That is a saying that i think we all can agree on. In
this case max hall was jealous of Utah's success during his entire college
football career; they had two big BCS wins, a coach of the year award last year
and the best bowl record I've ever seen! That jealousy lead him to hate Utah and
everything to do with it. I mean what BYU fan isn't jealous of the amount of
success Utah has had(myself included)? I think we need to focus more
on winning our second place bowl games to cap off our good seasons rather than
shooting down the Utes who had a good season despite the loss of many key
players. And I hate to admit it but you and I both know that after a regrouping
season, such as this one for the Utes, they always are a heck of a lot better
than us. I'm just trying to state the obvious, as a true
blue(reasonable) Coug am I!
I would like to apologize on behalf of Max Hall. His comments were obviously
said in the heat of emotion. Max certainly does not represent the vast majority
of Cougar Fans. I just wish comments like these were never made, especially by
one of our players.
Since Max is a mediocre college QB he will definitely not make it in the NFL and
wil be looking for a job....Hope he isn't planning on interviewing with a Utah
I love howw you Ute fans are focusing on Max Hals comments, as if they matter or
make a difference. You lost and your deflected animosity will not make a bit of
difference. This year you are the losers and will have to deal with it until
next year.I remember Steve Tate saying how much he hated BYU a few
years ago and there was no uproar from the self rightous Ute fans. Not only that
I listed to Tate on the Ute post game show last night criticizing Hall, what a
hypocritical clown.You ute fans are everything Hall claims you are
and this year you are also losers. Come back next year and see if you can change
things until then crawl into your holes and live with your inferiority.
My parents met at BYU, I grew up a huge BYU fan. It was the BYU fan base and
comments like these that led to my conversion to be a die hard UT fan. Any
level headed fan knows things happen at their rivals stadium. Yep, there are a
handfull of bad fans at every stadium. I could give similar comments about my
experience at BYU's stadium and the treatment of my family. But what was
the underlying theme of his comments, remeber he was upset at both UT fans and
those BYU fans that are not "real" fans, it was he played his worst game of his
career against UT last year and heard about it from all sides for a year. He's
been mad for a year. His comments were planned (he said them in almost the same
form in multiple interviews).By the way, what comments have been made
under Coach Wit that have been this out of line? How about under Coach
Mendinhal? (Austin Collie & now Max). Someone needs to teach these guys how to
be a good winner.I'm proud of where my program's going.
I think Max Hall will watch the upcoming bowl game on television.
This is a sad commentary on BYU football. Sure there are drunk and misbehaved
Utes fans. Don't think that all is well in Provo either. I've been to enough
BYU games to know that BYU fans act stupid also - even without the help of beer.
The worst I saw was a bunch of BYU fans belittling the Catholic religion at the
Notre-Dame game a few years ago. I'm active LDS and was embarrassed and
appalled. They weren't drunk and knew exactly what they were saying.The actions of Mad-Man Max didn't surprise me. It seems I recall a
temper-tantrum last year where Max flipped off a Utah player and got a 15 yard
unsportsmanlike like penalty. This just shows his immaturity.Max
has had 5 years to mature enough to beat Utah handily and the best he can do is
barely win in OT? Utah is young and made stupid mistakes. Wynn has started
only 5 games but had more class than Hall in that time.Good game
Utah and congratulations to BYU in spite of your immature QB.
just a hatred towards Utah. It's more of a hatred for anything not Mormon and
since BYU is Mormon, the hatred is towards anyone not BYU...that's the
perception of all us that did not grow up here.Maybe the school needs to
work on changing this perception.
Instead of going out on a high, Hall chooses to be negative with is broad
brushed statements. Poor choice after a big win. Statements like these don't
help the church. It's interesting he waited until AFTER the game to make his
all the Utah Fans who feel offended put "Max Who" in their rear window!
It is one thing to be a poor loser, but Hall is the ultimate example of a poor
winner. He showed his lack of maturity as a human being. As a BYU fan I
celebrate the win, but not Hall's mouth.
"Let us oft speak kind words to each other....."
of rude. I've lived in many states as my profession has taken around the
country. It's not U of Utah or BYU. It's the culture here. It is a very rude
culture. You see it on the freeways, you see it in the stores. You see it in the
neighborhoods. It has nothing to do with religion. It has only to do with the
society of "me". I have had people make rude comments to me because of the
Boston College sweatshirt i was wearing. My son's bus (who went to Juan Diego)
has been pelted with trash as they pulled into or out of the parking lots at
away games. So where do you think all these people learned it? They learn
it from home. Maybe everyone needs to take a look at themselves and realize that
we all need to have a positive impact on one another rather than worry about
what religion, school, or what their lifestyle is.I for one am ready to
move to find a less rude city. maybe I'll go back to New York. Believe it or
not, it was no where near as rude.
I used to like both teams but after Max's ill chosen words, I'm not sure if I
like BYU's football team AT ALL now.Way to represent your school and
I've not seen a beer stand at rice eccles. Is max' rant based in fact?
Utah is out of the top 25. Excellent work BYU!!
A Tale of Two QuarterbacksOne of them "lost" with dignity and class.
One of them "won" with an apparent lack of propriety, dignity and respect for
the other team, school and their fans. Anyone can say they hate the other team,
their program, their fans and everything about them but what really tells the
true story is how they act. A congratulation should go to the BYU football team
for a well fought game. But to paraphrase Joshua, as for me and my family we
will cheer for the U!Tom FarrellSyracuse
Good to hear from the most overrated team in the league! Max has just shown why
so many people hate BYU!
Gosh Hall, that was very classless. I'm a huge BYU fan, but I hate to support
such a harsh comment. At least be more careful about what you say to the press!
When you've got that BYU jersey on, you represent the school.
I've never like Utah, never will, although Max went just a little too far with
his comments he said what BYU fans have been thinking for quite some time now. I
have many Utah friends and none of them are good sports when it comes to the
rivalry. They are just plain ignorant and stupid. If Max is going to get
punished for his comments we should might as well just rip up the constitution
Max Hall had a unique opportunity to learn a great life lesson that comes from
the "Good Book"...love your enemies...do unto others, as you would have them do
unto you, it is required of us to forgive others...and on and on. Obviously, he
has not learned the lesson yet. However, he has now given Utah fans the same
unique opportunity to learn the same lesson. For those of us who want to heed
the "Good Book's" advice...we must forgive him and treat him the way we would
want to be treated. I hope everyone involved will take the high road.
Mrs. Hall, your son needs a time out. Big boys shouldn't throw tantrums.
Max Hall should have hired Jake Heaps's PR rep.
3 Yrs ago, my wife was spit on by a BYU fan at UT's stadium. 2 yrs ago a fan
threw a mini football handed out on the streat corner at her and hit her in the
head. I had my bagged confiscated (not the content) by security 2 yrs ago at
BYU stadium. No reason could be given, except I wore red. It happens on
both sides. That's what makes all of this sad. On KUTV's 10 o'clock news they
had Max ranting about hate and classless UT fans; followed by an interview with
Coach Wit's wife and the BYU fan who hit her. Ironic? Yes. Those 1% of
fans take it too far. On both sides. But those who represent programs,
schools, churches need to realize that blanket hate statements are not good.It's too bad nobody's talking about another fun football game.
BYU grad and fan ... this is a non story outside of Utah. No surprise to Texas
or Alabama fans and their rivalries. nothing to see here ... move along.
Wow. John Jones is dead in a cave, leaving a wife and one (soon to be two)
small children. And this is the center of the world for some of you?Get a life.
Wow! I have never heard such hatred ever come from a U. U. fan after a win!
Didn't you go to any of your religious classes Max? Or did you think they were
for everyone else but you? Aren't we supposed to love everyone. It is just a
game! But in that game you learn your true character... happy with yours?
As a BYU student and loyal fan, Max had every right in the world to say what he
said. Because of the terrible behaviour of the ute fans I do not even feel safe
entering utah territory to support my team--and I won't feel safe until I am a
6'5", 300 lb polynesian man!
I am a BYU and Utah fan. However, I pull for Utah when these two teams meet.
After reading the full text of your comments, it is obvious that you
have felt a lack of loyalty from amongst the BYU fan base, resentment over the
thoughtless actions against your family members last year by some Utah fans, and
you've been frustrated by these actions.I have said some things
under circumstances where I felt I had been offended and have bitterly wished
they had remained unsaid. Fortunately, I've never been in the position where I
said those words to news reporters in such a public fashion.I
suspect that you are a good and decent person, and that you truly do not "hate"
everything UofU-related. It may have felt good to vent as you did, but I
believe you will eventually, if you haven't already, reach a point where you
wish you could take your words back.Perhaps all of us could learn
from this and try harder to show respect to all people, opponents and friends
alike.Regards,Linda BulloughSandy, Utah
The LDS church claims to have the whole truth and that men like Max Hall are
ordained to act in the name of God. Yet when I compare Max Hall to Tim Tebow, an
evangelical christian, there is no question as to who is the real Christian.
.... until an LDS player on the Utah team throws the game due to his disgust for
the behavior of fans at RES?How long until the sane fans at RES
stand up and demand a change? You don't find it offensive because
it wasn't meant for you....really?
Why are all of you Utah fans ragging on Max Hall for what you are doing right
max seems to really value the "real" fans that have been positive and and say
good things. hmm...
There clearly are many outstanding individuals who are affilited with the U of
U. Unfortunately, the breadth and depth of a vocal minority of U of U fans that
conduct themselves with the beer throwing, venom spewing, and offensive language
that have been directed at Max Hall and his family serve to embarass ALL those
affilited with the U of U. Max Hall spoke his mind so candidly as a result
of the less than humane treatment that has been directed at him - - all over a
game of football. To that vocal minority - - you are the ones that have
provoked the response from Max Hall - - shame on you and your behavior - - the
apology should be coming from you. Get a life and stop embarrassing the rest of
What's the big deal? Can anyone really define for me why any of this really
BYU will take down Utah home and away--but Utah fans will still be complaining
that they are hated.
So sweet for a whole year.
Ahhhh... I remember back in the day when Jim McMahon also spoke for the church
in all matters.BTW, I enjoy both Utah and BYU sports. BYU fans sing
popcorn Popping, drives me crazy.Ute fans are just flat out jerks.
Max Hall is just mad because he's not going to the BCS and Utah has gone twice
and won both times. Have fun in Vegas for your fourth year in a row BYU. Because
Max Hall won't be playing!!! "Classless" What you just did was classless Max.
You are the type of ute that ruins it for everyone. I agree 100% with what Max
said. Take a look at what your precious utes did to Max and his family. He has
every right in the world to hate utah and their fans, and so do I. Max did not
say that for nothing, he was speaking like a real man. Go Cougars! Max is my
hero! I will continue to cheer for BYU and ANYONE who plays utah!!!
Article by Dick Harmon - BYU fasThe amazing thing about BYU's 26-23
win over Utah Saturday?It wasn't that the Cougars should have salted
it away long before overtime.It wasn't that Max Hall found Andrew
George – half of a tight-end tandem he'd made a living off his entire BYU
career – for the game-winning touchdown pass.It wasn't that
the big Hall-to-George play was directed right at Ute safety Robert Johnson,
whom the Cougars had tried to avoid all day.It wasn't that Hall went
off on Utah's program and fans in the pressroom. Or that some BYU fan allegedly
hit Jamie Whittingham, Kyle's wife, in the lip and someone else reportedly
sucker punched his son, Tyler, in the massive assembly of bodies on the field
Who wouldn't be furious if someone threw a beer on your wife? Look how Ron
Artest handled it a few years back; However, Max, you could have been bigger
than it all by being the better Man and let the win do the talking, instead you
took the lower road. However, show me one man who hasn't said something he has
regretted. Learn from it Max and move on. Furthermore, for any fan from any
University to do anything to anyone's wife/mom is absolutely classless and
deserves good old fashion whooping. From an cougar alum.
2 mediocre teams playing error-ridden football. Only their grit and stamina are
superior. BYU wins another nailbiter when 2 Utes cannot tackle one man. But
Hall is the icing on the cake. Can anyone tell me why BYU, a private,
church-owned university, wastes so much time, energy, and money supporting a
football program? It surely can't be for the publicity after the QB's venomous
blather. Nothing better than to reveal the belligerent, selfish, and aggressive
nature of the male athlete! Way to go, BYU. The Cougars would be better off
investing in Soccer since it has far more draw world-wide than football.
Which statement hurts more"?BYU beat Utah for 3rd time in 4
years.Max hates the Utes.If Utah had won the game, we wouldn't
be having this argument.I was at RES for the Harline catch. Last
time I will ever be in RES.I tell you, Max has done the Rivalry a
favor. He said what everyone knew, but were afraid to talk about. RES is a
40,000 seat raunchy bar. Maybe the u will finally do something about it.
A person has a few big opportunities to be the better man in such a large
spotlight. Too bad he wasn't up for it.From these posts I'll start
preparing my daughter not to think everyone at BYU will actually believe the
gospel all the time. Sounds like a religious jihad.
What practicing Mormon has spoken such hatred before?
Utah 2BYU 0Utah still can talk BCS since its coach is
still Kyle who took the team there last year.BYU can't talk 1984 NC
(with asterisk) since Lavell is not its coach anymore.
once on the field and once in the media room. We beat em good.
Funny, I saw her get interviewed last night on TV and what about the Deseret
New's front page sports story?????
That is BYU's true character!! Sounds like they hate everything!! They cannot
even enjoy a win without mouthing off and being hatefull!!
Max Hall is an adequate QB when facing weak MWC foes, but the record is clear,
he falls apart and loses his composure against quality opponents: FSU, Utah,
TCU (twice), Arizona. His resume will forever be short on wins in big games and
his failure to take BYU to the BCS speaks for itself. He tarnished what should
have been a day for BYU fans to celebrate by forcing them to defend his
infantile comments. BYU played good enough and deserved the win. Had Utah won,
the same could be said for them.
Outside of Utah, this game was a non-event. Even though both BYU and Utah were
ranked, the game itself got very little press. Thankfully, Mr. Hall's rant got
even less. This is interesting, I lived in Alabama for many years
and to my knowledge there has never been a single commentary like Mr. Hall's in
all of the years that I have been watching the Alabama/Auburn games. Having
been to other rivalries (including Utah/BYU and LSU/Arkansas) it would be naive
to think this doesn't happen in the stands - but it should stay there.Personally, I hope that this story stays in Utah. It is certainly nothing to
be proud of. All fans have an obligation to be civil - it is after all just a
game. My greatest concern is how this is perceived by members of
the Church. Will this be considered acceptable behavior and if so, what does
this say about us as a people? Are we creating a class society and/or condoning
this type of behavior?This was an embarrassment.
I see where the Jamie Whit. story is another attemp by Utah fans to make
something up. It did not happen, There was no TV coverage of anything. It is
a Hoax............So quit making up lies to cover your loss............
Max is in a position of leadership & has now defined who he is for years to
come, this is what the public will remember.. I have been to at least 10 years
of BYU-UT games & never witnissed beer throwing or verbal abuse,except for the
BYU fan attacking a cheerleader. The majority of fans enjoy the rivalry & keep
it in the context for which it was created. I also saw a clip last night of
Coach Wittinghams wife being pushed & I beleive knowcked around by upset BYU
fans, so I really think both sides have a percent of responsiblity for bad
behavior. The level of Max's verbal abuse shows a very unhealthy perspective of
life & sports, was very sorry to witness his rant...
When the utes lose their best comeback is to try to point out some sin of a BYU
player instead of just accepting the fact that they got beat once again.Austin collie, now Max Hall. Well, SCOREBOARD!3 out of 4 if I remember right.
of the "Crying Babies" club.23 out of 26 members prefer him over
I just returned from church (80% Y fans). Every single one was classy. Some
joked with me about the game, no one in an offensive manner. In my extended
family, 50% are Y fans. We enjoy the game and the ability to have bragging
rights for a year. No one was classless. Same goes for work, all the Y and U
fans are classy win or loseWhen I wear red to Lavell Edwards Stadium
I get yelled at, sworn at, things(usually food wrappers) thrown at me. I took a
Y coed to the game at RES one year and she was treated equally as bad. Why do
so many on both sides feel it is okay to act like imbeciles at the stadium. It's
a game and we aren't even playing. It's not like any of us can claim credit for
the victory. Last thought: I'm sure Hall didn't mean what he said.
It was in the heat of the moment. Even if you assume that he's right, that every
Utah fan, student, alum, employee is a horrible classless person it still
doesn't justify HATE. Max is a christian.
There is no link to the JW story because it does not exist.
Wow, of course he doesn't hate all Utes. How many times have you said "I hate
everything about BYU". You really don't and he doesn't. It is just a manner of
speaking. Relax. Or maybe this will spawn some good fights at work.
Anyone have President Young's email? He needs to know that the silent majority
of Utah fans are fed up. We (Utah sports) now look worse that UNM women's
"Low lifes". Is every person who chooses something different than you a low
life? The only mormons that choose red over blue do so because they couldn't
get into BYU? This is the typical better than you, holier than thou attitude
that sets you up for people to dislike. Out in the real world things are a
little more diverse than what you see every day in Utah County. Your bigotry
towards people who are different than you is obvious. How was church today?
Did they have a lesson on that type of hatred today? You, sir are a hypocrite
and a hater.
As a Ute fan, I will admit that it has been disconcerting the sheer size of our
fan base that is crude and mean-spirited. This is a just a game between 18-25
year old men. Both BYU and Utah fans need to calm down a bit and enjoy the
I'm a Utah fan but I will admit the truth hurts. I would never do what some of
our fans do. I wish there would be more security to put a stop to this kind of
I'm a Ute fan and will get on the wagon. I love our sports, hate our fans,
agree with Hall.
Classless = Kyle calling an onside kick when up 50. It starts at the top and
goes from there.Max Hall just said what everyone else already knows, but
didn't have the guts to say. Sure, he proved he is pretty classless himself, but
he didn't lie.The truth hurts Ute fans so go ahead and cry like you always
do. Still doesn't change anything.Sincerely,University of
Doesn't it Utah?
Recent polls show Max Hall's favorabilty ratings are soaring on the U campus.23 out of 26 prefer him.
Jamie Whittingham's story.I am disappointed that BYU has not issued
any statements regarding these incidents including Maxi's mouth-off
statements.Mr. Holmoe, we're waiting for your action.
Utah fans- both BYU and Utah- in general are way too thin skinned. We cry about
not getting respect and national recognition for having the most heated rivalry.
The moment a player calls out the opposing school the entire local media, fans
(on both sides) and citizens demand apologies. Outside of Utah this
would be a complete non-story. But here in Utah, these comments trump the game
and rivalry. We do not have the intense rivalries like the big schools and this
outcry about Hall's comments demonstrate that.This story about his
comments illustrates why we will never be mentioned in the same sentence as the
big schools rivalries.
I am another fan supporting Max.
would have loved to have heard Unga's rant during the game. Anybody in the
first 25 rows on the Cougar sideline able to report? He seemed to be giving the
Utes the business.
We are to be ashamed of ourselves.
I hate losing to BYU but with Max's comments over shadowing the victory. It has
made this loss turn form bitter to sweet. I am really enjoying this loss!!!Thanks.
I love my University of Utah but I can do without many of our fans.
Great. Thanks, Max. Now Ute fans are going to hit us over the head with that
single quote of yours for decades. I can understand your anger if your family
was abused by a few unruly Ute fans last year, but come on...you hate "all" Ute
fans!? The "entire" program!?Don't get me wrong, that was a GREAT
game yesterday and I'm on cloud 9 that my boys in blue won that nail-biter.But the last thing - the LAST thing - this rivalry needed was to have
the winning QB take a gasoline firehose to the Holy War fire.
I expect Max Hall to issue the same apology that BYU demanded when the Wyoming
coach gave them the bird. No wonder he did it.
did you say max hall was back into the heisman race??? First off... he was
never in it. Second, he had an awful game until he threw the game winning
touchdown. Third, heisman canidates don't rip on opposing universities as a
byufan why don't you just go home and say wait til next year. your blogs mean
absolutely nothing. Beer on the opposing qb's family without an apology from the
head of the university, means everything.church or no church.
I'm a long-time Utah fan who supports what Max has said.
As of now there are 458 comments on the main Deseret News story discussing BYU
beating Utah in overtime.However, there are 593 comments criticizing
Max Hall's post-game interview in which he said he despised the University of
Utah and their fans.Does anyone else find it interesting that there
are more comments about what Max Hall said than what he and his team did on the
field?In other words, if you're a Utah fan, look into the mirror and
see if you're not partly to blame for all the mean-spiritedness between the 2
schools.And if you're a BYU fan who is freaking out about how Max
Hall supposedly will single-handedly destroy the LDS church: chill. First, I'd
bet my last dollar that every single one of you at one time or other said out
loud that you hated someone or some thing. Second, you should be more secure in
knowing that your church is far larger and more enduring than one college
quarterback's comments.Get a grip, BOTH sides.
To all you BYU so called fans who put your names above and write your comments.
We don't appreciate you RED_Necked for doing such. We as readers are not stupid
as some of you............We support our team, we support Max, What He said is
true. My wife got spit on while at Ec. stadium two years ago. I have never
forgotten the way we were treated up there.......I don't think Max meant
anything by his comments, but I support him for being honest..........
I work in the KUTV newsroom and there was no such coverage of Jamie Whittingham.
Just more misinformation by Utah fans trying to distract.
BYU fans are always rushing the field! They were picked to win the game and
ranked ahead of Utah. Rush the field and put your football players up like Gods.
BYU is lucky their students did not pull down their own goal posts.Rushing your field? Really? What is that????
It may be how you feel, but you have to have better sportsmanship than that
Max...my kids love BYU but I hope they never hear what you said and I hope they
never feel that way about an opponent and especially don't verbalize it. Go on
and on about how classless the Utes are and then be classless yourself...should
have had more self restraint!You should follow the example of the
Utes who post on this site. I never see them make blanket judgments and
statements lumping all BYU fans or LDS people together...wait a second...I think
I have seen that a little bit. Everybody grow up and be good sports!
Isn't it classless to make comments like that? Football is just a game and win
or lose a player should learn how to do it graciously. Max Hall sounded immature
with those comments and it is a shame that he made his college career exit on a
note like that. To classify the whole Ute community based on his personal
experience is narrow minded and immature.
That was a great victory yesterday, won by some gritty play. The defense did
well. The running game was fantastic. Hall was a liability for much of the
game, and then he tries to make this victory about him???I was
thrilled about the win. The two teams were evenly matched and the Y did enough
to get by. And now we have to see articles and hear the sports radio talk about
you and your thin-skin? Your team mates won this game, but you made this all
about you.You may be the winningest QB at BYU, but that's only
because you played with some amazing players - like Collie and Unga and Pitta.
Unfortunately, whether you like it or not, you're going to be known for: 1.
these comments. 2. playing poorly in the big games. Good riddance
and go cougars!
I'm sure none of you Ute fans coming down on Max have never said "I hate BYU."
C'mon people get real! Ute fans, players and coaches have said how much they
hate BYU for years and that's okay, but Max vents over three years of ridicule
from all those great Utah fans and he's the devil! Great example of the BYU
logo on urinal cakes.....where were you then? It was funny then, right. This
is too funny! All you LDS Ute fans laughed about the urinal cake thing
disrespecting the same church you know condemn Max for making look bad. think
Max.... and a few other people around here need to grow up a bit.Every team has some rude fans, including BYU. He is way out of line.
I don't think there's a truer cougar blue fan than me. But Max, I'm glad to see
you go. There's a difference between competitive and classy. There have been
many a Coug who have been both, but I can't count you as one of 'em. Again and
again I've watched your temper get the best of you on the field and off. Your
comments typify behavior which is beneath the level of the "personal" execution
I have thought Bronco has been striving to raise this team to for the past 5
years. I for one am happy to see you go. You guys were lucky last night. You
were lucky last night. The Utes are a great team and except for their own
miscues and stupid mistakes, could have easily won that game. My hat is off to
them (AGAIN!). Go Cougs!
Maybe it is time to adopt the BYU-Idaho and divert the funds used by the
athletic program to some new graduate progams.This was shameful in
Talk it up Max -- you are the winner! Send the Utes to the Toilet Bowl! I hate
Please refer to any of the news reports that confirm that Jamie Whittingham was
hit in the face at Lavell Edwards Stadium after the game. She was on KUTV. She
had a fat, bloody lip and she said she couldn't believe it. And she said, "i'm
a woman, and you hit me?" and the guy and his friends yelled at her to shut
up.It's an unfortunate incident. But one that some of the Y
faithful think they're above. And they're the same ones defending and
justifying Max Hall's comments. Pharisees and hypocrites.
AFTER HIS 15 TURNOVERS LAST YEAR. IT WAS PROBABLY A BYU FAN THAT DUMPED BEER ON
Inarticulately angry or inappropriately angry. If some idiot fans did abuse the
Hall family or frankly any others then this is between them - you are owed
nothing. Max chose to play football for BYU, he chose to be a
leader...he proved to be an immature spokesman and his comments were WAY
inappropriate - your comment was just plain unintelligible ...
Channel 2 covered the fact that Jaime Whittingham had been HIT in the mouth by a
BYU fan and then told to shut up. During the coverage, Channel 2 even showed
her lip as it was swollen.
Max, thanks for taking all of the joy out of beating that school up north.
Victory has never tasted more sour for true BYU fans. Can't say I'm sorry that
It's not a very bright kid who goes looking for his name in internet message
boards.Max: the people behind the screen names have very little
positive to say about anything, let alone a college rival's mediocre
I support you Max--100%!!!
You are trying to soothe the accute pain of defeat by making remarks made by a
competitive player the story.The real story was the incredible
ending to a sensational game. That's the story. You lost Ute fans. Take it
like a man. Quit whining. Crying about a player's comments will only dull the
pain of defeat until tonight when you see the re-play on the sports station.
I agree with Hall. Peace Out
One thing you will never see in Provo is a group of fans throwing beer at a
players family! Them are fighting actions in any arena. No wonder Max has some
anger issues! Those actions should be dealt with by law enforcement. I have
many wonderful friends that are Newt Fans but more that are BYU fans. Ha Ha, I
can rest for another year!
Wow - a premier player with a scholarship to a church owned school that touts
itself on family values - making a comment published in a church owned newspaper
- is hate a family value at BYU?Mr Hall - I am sorry your family was
treated badly at Utah, Shame on the Utah fans - to all - IT'S A GAME - GET A
LIFE. It is fun (I am a die hard Utah fan even if they go 11-1 as long as that
one is against BYU i think of it as a good season). But I don't drink and
mostly swear only when a hammer and my thumb are involved. To the BYU
leadership - is this speaking for you and your school and your religion?Cougarfan - disadvantage in recruiting? Is that the same one that Notre Dame
BYU = HATE!!
The things that Max Hall said, in a press conference to tv reporters no less,
should serve as a HUGE wake-up call to the UofU administration. Some serious
problems exist that need to be looked into and corrective actions taken asap.
But will they actually do anything? Who knows. They might also be thinking that
Max is just a "poor sport" and all is well on the hill. HA. It'll probably take
BYU fans who've been assualted to press charges and also file a lawsuit to make
Hey Max you won in OT good for you but it was against a freshman and a team that
was rebuilding and not expected to do much. Well looks like they did do well.
Jordan will be the next Alex smith, hope you got a good education at BYU because
this is it for you. I hope you are benched for those rude comments. Take a look
at Tim Tebow how he sets an example.
Can't help but make the contrast between Mr. Hall and Tim Tebow. Tebow is a
class act and was a true leader and fierce competitor his entire college career.
He is deeply religious, but with a Christ-like demeanor and sense of peace and
respect for all humans. In his interviews he seems to see the postive in all
and he exhibits good wishes to all. Tebow, not Hall, is the best example of a
true Christian in college football. How embarassing for Hall's school, church
and fellow players.
Maybe Max forgot to take his Prozac
The fact that BYU fans are defending Hall's comments is even more disturbing
than the comments. By the way, I think Hall totally made up the thing about his
family getting beer thrown on them. Alcohol isn't even allowed in the stadium.
It could have happened, but I highly doubt it. Instead, I think he was just
perpetuating the BYU fans stereotype of all Ute fans being ignorant alcoholics.
I just went online and purchased several Utah basketball tickets. We are going
in all blue and cheering on every opponent.Bring it on Utah. Give
us your best because you have now awoken the giant and we are out to see you
feel the pain.
Max Hall need to apologize both to BYU and the U of U after he his he is
severely chastised by his team mates.
I am not sure about this incident --never heard it:2. Which stadium was it
in where a coach's wife got punched and told to shut up? THat's right.
Embarrassing as it is, that happened at LES.Can you shed more info?
THey don't understand why Y fans are known across the country (ask the Florida
State fans who were at the game this season) as being arrogant, narrow-minded,
and rude.That's a broad generalization, but just take a look at the
comments of those who DEFEND Max Hall's post-game hate-filled remarks. Y fans
DEFEND it. Just like they defend jumping out of the stands and tackling a
cheer-leader because they were waving a flag. Just like they defend somebody
hitting Jamie Whittingham.All programs have classless fans. Utah
does have its share of those who are mean-spirited and 'classless'. But
obviously, BYU does to. I've been spit on at LES. Much worse than imaginary
beer. The problem is that Y fans - as well as some of their players
(Max) think they're above it! SOme Y fans are even saying that Utah's
administration needs to do something - after a coach's wife was punched at
LES!!!Most Y fans and U fans are just that: good, respectful fans.
But some Y fans are pharisees and hypocrites always pointing to how unrighteous
others are without seeing their hypocracy.
As a former U student, I am waiting for an apolgy from those U fans that are
abusive, intolerant and embarrass my school. Then and only then will I expect
any sort of apology from a young man who was inarticulately angry that his
family was abused by said fans. I would also like an apology from those "holier
than thou" BYU and Utah fans demanding Hall be reprimand as if their own
condemnations/judgements are so much more proper
To every comment Max Hall made. I would say the same thing about Utah. Utes
are classless and so is their entire organization. Cougar fans have always
thought it, and now finally a player said it! Thanks Max! I support your
comments! Go Cougars!! And George is still open!
Max, your comments showed very poor judgment. You need to apologize.I am a BYU
fan but sometimes really wonder about the lack of sportsmanship from some of the
players. Your behavior greatly disappointed me. You could have handled the lack
of respect toward your family in other ways. I hope you learn from this huge
Hey Max, go read 3 Nephi 11:29. Shame on you.
I do read some of these comments about BYU and Utah...does seem like a lot of
immaturity on the side of both.....Utah fans seem to be overly critical of
anything BYU does or says.....BYU fans appear too much into "Ain't we da best &
smartest" all the time.....maybe both should mature and enjoy a great
rivalry....or bring in Boise State and then move both BYU and Utah into a fight
for 3rd or 4th place behind BSU and TCU.....then, who would care????Just a thought all you "Happy-Haters."
Stereotypes are created and fed by just this type of behavior. All Utes are
sloppy drunks? All Mormons are polygamists? Come on Max. Your statements are
the worst form of hypocrisy. I'd rather have my team lose while exhibiting
sportsmanship and class, than win with tactless rants. Byu football is the face
of "the church" to most people beyond the Zion curtain, congratulations on
giving merit to the beliefs about Mormons by most non members.As byu
learned against TCU and FSU, you can't teach speed.As the rest of
the world just learned about byu and max, you can't teach class.
with the number of fans who see no problem with what Max Hall feels and says
about the Utah fans, program, and the University itself, than I am with his
words. I'm sure the past year has been hard on him; Utah fans have relished in
making his name a punchline because of his poor performance in last year's game.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has an "I can't believe what I just did" moment
in the near future where his press conference comments are concerned.However, to the fans on both sides of the aisle who think there is nothing
wrong with hating people because of who they root for in a football game, what's
your excuse? Unfortunately, as evidenced by these postings, there are numerous
bigots who swear allegiance to both the Utes and the Cougars.I am
confident that Coach Mendenhall and the Board of Directors at BYU don't condone
Max Hall's hate-speech. As dedicated fans, let's not allow this event to worsen
an already too bitter rivalry.I'll bet Aggie fans are enjoying not
being involved in all this ugliness.
The level-headed, intelligent, emotionally stable Y fans are embarrassed to see
some of the 'other' Y fans justify Max Hall's comments and try to point the
finger at Utah for having 'classless fans'. As a Y fan, I implore
my fellow cougars to not cast stones from a glass house. I can't believe that
some on here have the audacity to say that Hall is justified and Utah should do
something about their fans.Here are some reminders:1.
Which program let a fan jump onto the field and tackle a cheerleader? It was
BYU, and the athletic director then blamed the cheerleader for waving a flag,
and they banned flags. Nothing like holding us fans accountable, huh?2.
Which stadium was it in where a coach's wife got punched and told to shut up?
THat's right. Embarrassing as it is, that happened at LES.3. And which
program had a senior QB spew hatred after his VICTORY? Yes, it's the team
representing the institution professing to live an 'honor code'. As
a Y fan, I wish Y players exemplified the class we saw from Eric Weddle or Tim
To those who suggest the U condones classless behavior by fans, note that the U
(1) has banned alcohol at games for years (I attend every game and have never
seen a fan holding alcohol), and (2) flashes a hotline phone # repeatedly which
fans can call to get problem fans removed from the game. The U is built on class
and dignity, and the bad apples are not condoned.And while I
understand Max' and others frustration with abusive fans (I feel the same
frustration with U and Y fans, including the Y fans who repeatedly verbally
abused Coach Schramm to his face yesterday about his age), I do not understand
why a team would "deserve to lose" for foul language and verbal assaults at
opposing fans, while the team and QB that "deserves to win" is free to use foul
language on national TV, and to verbally abuse opposing fans (and an entire
university).Both schools are great assets to our state with a few
unfortunate warts. Unfortunately, Max just wrapped himself in with the latter,
but this does not change all the outstanding aspects of both universities.
freshman Jordan Wynn showed more class than Max Hall, on and off the field.
Fair question right? I mean if you are going to throw everyone in are you really
man enough to throw everyone in?
Thanks for adding to the hate between the two schools, shut up Max, you are not
I am a sophmore on BYU's football team and will have to pay the price for Hall's
words. Thanks Max, why don't you come on the sidelines next year to take part
in the rivalry.
It is now one day after the "big game." Max has more to be ashamed and
embarressed about than he has to be proud of. That makes it two years in a row
I'm a true blue Cougar fan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one here saying
this.......but I just lost a lot of my respect for Max Hall.
Three things:-Great game for an unproven Utah squad. I can hold my
head high with that kind of effort. Great composure Jordan!-Max,
President Monson is one of those Utah fans.-I don't excuse
physical/verbal assault, but I thought BYU held themselves to a higher standard
Seems to me that Max is making up rules he doesn't need to follow, we need to
share positive commnets etc. but he can bad mouth...Max, you whet out without
The U fan in front of me st the game was chewing a cigar he snuck in his clove
and was wearing a Mormon bashing t-shirt. The U fans beind me were making
religious remarks about BYU fans blocking their view (never mind that the entire
U section was standing. I am not sure how I would have reacted if my
parents were verbally and physically assaulted - but I suspect either way - some
Utah fans would complain that THEY were the victims and anyone who disgreesd was
a bad Mormon.
Bottom line on this . He represents the Church and its beliefs. And he
represented them well !!!!!!Nobody is as good as us !!!! Yep we already
know this about you guys , that is why you get treated the way you do. I mean
does that not make sense ???Listen the church is not all bad. I know
this !!!But they need to get serious and start doing some self evaluation.
I think I am a good represenative of the other side of the arguement.
I struggle with Hall's allegations about beer being thrown on his family.
First: Beer isn't allowed in the stadium though admittedly it probably does
exist. Second: he talks as though his family was targeted for the act. Does
anyone REALLY think that people at RES would know who Hall's family is??IF the incident took place, I suggest that it was beer being thrown on
people wearing BYU garb and NOT as a target of Hall's family.The
incident is indeed a big "IF"...at least in my mind.
His "big" game comments mirrow his "big" game antics during his BYU career. He
doesn't handle pressure very well ie; poor performances during and after big
for emails regarding the "classless" actions of utah fan: Chris Hill
I'm an University of Arizona grad and I hate the Arizona State Sun Devils, this
is talk about a football rivalry. Does that mean I hate every Sun Devil? It
seems people in these posts are taking this way to seriously.
I just found out there is a BYU player delivering a fireside to our neighborhood
youth tonight.I sure hope the topic is about humility. And not about
hate.Because although I am sure most of BYU is not about hate, Mr.
Hall sure seems to be.
I was an athlete at BYU about 10 years ago and I consider myself a BYU "fan."
But guess what, I also love Utah and cheer for them too. Max Hall's comments
were immature and ungracious. I think the media fuels this stupid stuff and I'm
sick of it. Can't we just enjoy a great game. Alot of fans need to get off
their couches and their soap boxes and worry about things that really matter. A
game is a game, it means nothing more than that. A rivalry should be fun, but
this is just plain stupid. I'm tired of the crazy fans of any team who think
football or any other sport really means more than just that...sport. Get on
with life people...and Max Hall.
How soft can you get, did Max really hurt your feelings that bad?
What Hall said was classless. There is nothing wrong with being angry about
fans, but the University of Utah is not a classless school. I don't even go
there and I would rather go there than BYU. Hall should get control of his
emotions before he runs his mouth. I have no problem with him announcing his
anger with the disrespect of the Utah fans involved in harassing his family, but
a few fans don't represent the school. I have been to BYU games and Utah games
and the games I have been too and the people around me. The Utah fans were more
respectful than the BYU fans.
Poor, poor Ute fans. Boohoo. Maybe your "coffee" will make you happy. Hehe.
As a graduate of BYU, who has friends and family who are fans of the UofU, I am
waiting for an apology from Max Hall. You do not speak for me or for BYU. Your
words repulsed me and took the flavor of victory from me way too soon. I hope
you are suspended and don't play in the bowl game, unless you offer a heartfelt
apology and admit that what you said was stupid.
For those of you who are saying that Max'x accusations can't be true because
beer isn't allowed at RES--give me a break. Anyone who has attended a game, esp
the rivalry game, knows that alcohol is smuggled into the stadium all the time.
On 2 different occasions I have had a beverage spilled on me by a totally
trashed Ute spectator sitting behind me. Not necessarily from malice but he was
too drunk to hold on to the cup. Also the truly foul language and anti-Mormon
epithets in front of my children forced me to leave. So don't even try to tell
me that couldn't happen because I have been there. It does!
When it's all said and done, its all about the legacy you leave. There will be
unfair and disappointing things that happen to all of us. It's how we handle
those inequities and disappointments that helps create our positive legacy. And
as much as I like someone "getting real," it's all about the delivery. If Hall
would have "told it like it was" with a better delivery, I would have liked his
courage. But it doesn't take courage to voice your frustrations with poor
delivery. In addition, it would have taken courage to say those things (with
good delivery) before the game (and before the end of a career), not after.
Hall's unbridled comments will only increase the intensity of wrath BYU fans and
players will receive from the small minority Utah fans who are classless.
Spoken like a true Cougar...we all hate utah, they are classless. Amen Max,
Well said...and thank you!!
Here's an idea - you could stage a few of your friends in the stands at next
years RES game and have them throw things at you, video tape it and then put on
You-Tube after the game....(please note the satire in my voice - you can look up
the word satire if you need to).Don't waste your video - having gone
to Utah games for over 20 years...I have witnessed 2-3 unsavory events (both
times the offenders were escorted from the stadium)...otherwise, the rivalry has
been fun and spirited...no one will force you to come to the game...stay home
and watch it on TV...as for me, given the chance to be in either stadium, taking
some 'crap' from fans and watching great athletes play the best sport...I will
He said "All" of Utah fans. When he should have said " MOST OF" Utah fans need
Both BYU and Utah have good fans; however there is a Utah contingent (that may
not even have anything to do with the school) that uses the game as a surrogate
religous war. How would any Ute react if their parents were physically and
verbally abused? As long as Utah fans tolerate that kind of behaviour in their
misdt, they will be viewed as supporting abuse. As long as they rant that Max
Hall is a "poor representatve of the LDS Church" for being angry that his mom
was hit by beer; then you will come across as pompus and "holier than thou"
(ironically what you claim to hate BYU for.) How exactly would you really react
in the same circumstance? The solution is simple: stop playing the
passive/aggressive victim (provoking people to get a rise then complaining you
are a victim when you do) and stop tolerating abusive fans: then you wont have a
nasty reputation. BTW: I went to the U - but I dont like being assocated with
their fans; so I root for BYU, Weber, and USU. I am not LDS either.
And utah fans, don't be so ignorant or naive (in other words, don't show your
level of education) about beer not being soled at your stadium. Every year you
can see large amounts being snuck in. I think stadium officials don't even dare
stand up to the low life's bringing it in.To you utah fans that are
LDS, don't be bitter just because you didn't get into BYU. I know that's not
everyone, but I've sure seen quite a bit of that.Finally I think the
coaches for both schools should have consider sending out a message about
classlessness. Though I think for some fans, those words will fall on deaf
Highly disappointed in Max Hall's comments. He absolutely put himself in a
position of being no better than the fans who "alledgedly" threw beer on his
family. A trash talker like Max Hall misrepresents what both schools stand for
but especially BYU! Max you represent BYU and your fooball coach and your fellow
team mates and it is sad that you chose to go down this road! You obviously do
not practice your religion! Forget reprimand from the Mountain West, I believe
BYU should take a stand against bad examples! I never want my sons or children
for that matter to witness or hear you comments! Shame on you Max Hall!
Let's hear it for the BYU fan I heard one year at LES for a BYU defender to
"Kill him!!!", referring to the Utah ball carrier. Classless fans wear all
colors, particularly in this case blue or red. No, he didn't pour beer on me,
but the looks of disdain I received for wearing my Ute jacket were very telling.
The weather (cold and snowy) was warmer than the greetings of the BYU fans in
my section that day. The heat of the moment can be a problem for everyone - in
this case Max Hall. I am sure today he is rethinking his words. Dumb, really
dumb things for a young man to say to the press.
"I hope you sent those e-mails last year when the beer was thrown... but I doubt
it"To send the email regarding the beer
It is sad that beer was thrown on his family; however, not all Ute fans are like
that. You have classless people at every school, no matter where you go. For
example, look at BYU: I now consider Max Hall to be a classless individual as
well. He may have freedom of speech, but this violates BYU's honor code which he
complied with upon enrolling (Respect...). After saying such things, I am
disgusted and embarrassed that someone like Max Hall is there as an example,
representing the LDS church. What a disgrace.
for those who don't know:Tom Holmoe: firstname.lastname@example.orgBronco:
Forgive them Max for they know not what they do... At least they have an excuse
of being drunk when they're stupid, what's yours?
I am not hiding behind a screen name! I am a BYU fan and have been all my life.
While I can't know or understand all that Max Hall has had to go through nor
what it would be like to have my family treated as his was, there must be
consequences for this sort of behavior. It shows poorly on BYU, the football
program, as well as the Church. I believe, although his last game in college,
that Hall should be suspended for the bowl game. I believe the suspension
should come from BYU so as to show that the University, the football program,
and the Church will not support such behavior. The First Amendment has nothing
to do with it. He is free to say what he wants. He will not be thrown in jail
for it. But, as a representative of BYU, he is not free to say just anything
and have no consequences. Living in Alabama (in Iron Bowl land), you Utah and
BYU folks ought to be ashamed of yourselves for the completely shameful and
unChristlike behavior that makes Alabama/Auburn players and fans look tame.
I would be willing to bet that there are more abusive fans that cheer for the
red team, but equal numbers of poor sports on both sides of this rivalry. I
would also bet that some of those abusive fans are folks who don't belong to the
moral majority in this state, and flock to the red banner out of feelings of
frustration and opposition. Same feelings that Max expressed in the press
conference. Unfortunately I think that this rivalry, as much as I
love it, is probably not healthy for the state of Utah anymore. It is becoming
more and more divisive and drives a wedge between mormons and non-mormons. The
red team needs to clean up the abusive riff-raff at the stadium and the blue
team needs to practice what they publicly preach (start with humility,
sportsmanship, and a little long-suffering). If the vitriolic enmity on each
side continues, we're heading for mutual contempt in our community that is
You know what interests me, state law prohibits beer being sold at Rice Eccles.
How is it then that his family got it thrown on them. I for a fact know I don't
drink beer and I am a U fan. It goes both ways and BYU won yesterday. Luckily
there were five extra guys playing for the Y in black and white, but still Max,
you didn't need to run your mouth off like that! There is also such thing as
being a sore winner!!!
Max speaks the truth about Utah fan behaviorUtah fans act
offendedUtah fans make plans to continue doing more of the same or
worse next year in RESWord of warning to Utah fans: I'll
be at the game next year in RES with video camera in hand; I'll be posting any
beer-throwing incidents I capture on You-Tube after the game.If
you'd don't want your behavior to be forever enshrined in the college football
fan Hall of Shame, don't do it!
"Sent emails to BYU AD Tom Holmoe, Bronco Mendenhall and ESPN news desk
concerning horrible sportsmanship from Max Mediocre Hall."I hope you
sent those e-mails last year when the beer was thrown... but I doubt it.
Over 500 comments on this story about Max's comments. Too bad it is
overshadowing another classic game. On the bright side it makes next years game
The Utes can do everything on this message board except deny that their
classless. If the shoe fits?
As a BYU fan I am offended by the poor sportsmanship by Max Hall, they just won
the game and he talks about Utah and there fans. I have lost all respect for
Max. this is a big black EYE on all of BYU and its program. THANKS MAX.....
DNews is lovin this! 500+ comments in such a short time. Nice game MAX. I hate
Utah too but only in a "its just a game" sort of way. I am sure Max has reason
to hate more. Yewts, quit whining, come back next year and put up or shut up.
Thinking exactly that.What is Mr Holmoe's email address?
I didn't think the QB would stoop to that. It looks like he hates Pres. Monson
who just a few weeks ago was givent the Ute Fan of the game.
Finally!!! Someone at BYU had the guts to tell it like it really is. The u of
U and Whittingham remind me of when school is let out for the summer....NO
CLASS!!!But the Utes and their fans revel in taking their filthy
behavior far beyond that.
Shame on Max. I am sure he will live to regret what he said. How ever, If BYU
played a sloppy game, then the Uts must have been worse.The thing I really
enjoy in a win by BYU is having it come after the Uts are already celebrating
and bragging how great they are and how they hate BYU. I love to watch the
moncho ego disinpate from their's faces.
What's the news?The guy is a 20+ years old with a microscope on him. He
has a couple of bad games and gets chewed on by the U fan base and a chunk of
the Y fan base. I've been a Y fan for 40+ years and thought U fans
were classless my whole life. I am thankful for the 31 wins that Max has
brought to the program and have enjoyed the ride. I'd like to see any of you
cowards behind the keyboard stand up to the pressure and scrutiny you have put
your young brother under while always having a glossy smile to everyone. Everybody out there, don't confuse the Church with an individual, he's
not President Monson, JUST A FOOTBALL PLAYER. Thanks Max, I appreciate
all the entertainment that you have provided over the years. I'm a huge fan and
yes you are one of the best to play at the school.Aloha
It's about time a Cougar fought back. As another wrote, "You can only kick a dog
so many times before it bites." Max bit back. What happened to his
family last year was inexcusable. Don't say, "The same thing happens at LES,"
because it doesn't. Sure some BYU students’ occasional self righteous
rhetoric bothers me, but not like the physical assaults perpetrated my family,
or to Max's family at RES. 90% of it flies from Red to Blue and much of it is
personal insult and religious ranker that if spray painted on a building would
constitute a "hate crime."Most Utah fans are good, but
institutionally the Crimson Club has become more than a love group for Utah
Athletics, it has become a hate group for BYU. What University of Utah once
stood for has been hijacked by a few low-life morons and arrogant academics who
have created a new brand for what was once an honored institution.Now the battle belongs to University of Utah stakeholders to fight for their
brand. Figure out what the University of Utah will stand for, because right now
isn't anything worthy of praise.
I dare you to define the word 'classless'. But wait, I guess you already did
during the press conference. And it's funny how you still have to bring up last
year's humiliating loss after your big win.Congratualtions on demonstrating such
class, you sure know it better than anyone else
John 13:34-3534"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I
have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this all men will know that
you are my disciples, if you love one another."You are all pathetic.
Show some respect for each other.
Can I ask you BYU and Utah fans a question?What are YOU going to do
to help this rivalry get back to a state of civility? It will be
interesting to see the response.
In discussing the comments from last night with my friends in the real world, we
all pretty much agree with Max, Utah and BYU fans alike. We don't hate each
other, because we don't act like the classless Ute fans to each other.While, we all pretty much think Max should not have said what he said, we all
believe he had the right to say it and understand where it came from.My Utah friends hate the classless Utah fans too.
Would you rather have beer poured on you or hatred?
Apparently, a few so-called "BYU fans" on this board just don't get it. PEOPLE,
BYU IS ABOUT MORE THAN FOOTBALL. What Max Hall said is truly embarrassing to
what BYU stands for--or at least is SUPPOSED TO.No, most of us in
blue calling for Bronco to bench Max Hall for the bowl game are NOT Ute trolls.
We are actual BYU fans, disgusted at Hall's utter lack of class. If the reports
are true, the mistreatment of Whit's wife and others are also out of
bounds--every bit as bad as the alleged beer-dumping on Hall's family--and need
immediate response. We are hoping that BYU will actually take a
stand for sportsmanship and decency--not only in the case of Max Hall, but in
this disgusting excuse for a rivalry.It's gone way too far. What
will be tolerated next in the name of sports hostility? Do we need a fan-player
fight or a soccer riot to help us understand that something--ANYTHING--needs to
be done NOW to head off MUCH bigger problems if it's allowed to escalate?
I have been a Utah fan for years. I have personally been to rivalry games a both
home fields and have stuck my neck out for BYU fans getting harrassed. I have
also been verbally abused just as bad in Cougar stadium as a Utah fan as BYU
fans are abused in RES. Sportsmanship is gone. And so is Max Hall.
All Utah fans need to look at how tough it has been to play Utah. It has been
humiliating and frusterating. It doesn't end at the game but the needless,
endless, humiliating, and personal degrading things said about him throughout
the year. I've never seen Cougar fans be so vehemently torturing to any Utah
player ever no matter how horrible. When a Utah player is a thug, Utah fans say
so what, he's an athlete. Good for him. When a BYU fan says he hates Utah,
then he is a poor ambassador etcetera. This is a massive double standard. Utah
will let their fans and players mire in the mud but expect some incredibly
higher standard for BYU fans and players. I used to feel
indifferent about this rivalry until I went to a game at RES. The anger,
lowness, and mean spirited lack of sportsmanship is horrible. Then I kind of
felt like Max Hall. When you are playing in a "pit of vipers" it is hard not to
let a little of that venom in your system. With that said, Max
needs to learn like many of us BYU fans to turn the other cheek.
"i would hate to be a zoobie fan at RES next year"in other words,
EVERYTHING Max said about the despicable behavior of Utah fans is true--the beer showers--the vile language and gestures--the disrepect
for opponents and opposing fansUtah fans, wake up and smell the
coffee; all Max was state the truth, and quite obviously, U can't handle the
...BYU won. And it feels so so sweet.
Sent emails to BYU AD Tom Holmoe, Bronco Mendenhall and ESPN news desk
concerning horrible sportsmanship from Max Mediocre Hall. Max's
behavior will have lasting repercussions...but selfish people really don't care.
I guess the "building men not football players" didn't work in
It was a great game with a very exciting ending. Max Hall has been another
great quarterback for BYU, however, it was ashame to make such a statement about
all Utah fans. I believe Hall will regret what he said one day. I wish it
wouldn't have happened. I attended BYU years ago and I am an avid fan but many
in my family are just as avid Utah fans. We have a great time taking jabs at
each other but always in good fun. While BYU is my team and Hall is our
quarterback, I don't appreciate his all-inclusive comment about Utah fans that
included my family.
With this performance, Max Hall just clawed his way back into the Heisman race.
Good on you max and way to tell it like it is.
are hundreds of comments on this post, but let's look at everything in
perspective here!Max Hall says a couple of words, and everybody
flips out. YET, and this is a very big YET, everybody still loves the
rivalry!!Well let's go back in time to the first football game
between the two schools. It ended in a brawl!!! An all-out BRAWL people! But
that's what started the rivalry! Why is this rivalry rated one of the best in
the country? It's precisely because of the added EMOTION that it's played
with.So if YOU are going to keep HATING on Hall for his comments
(which in itself is pretty hypocritical i might add) then QUIT WATCHING THE
Utah whiners?? The extremely classy Max Hall won the game and STILL had
something to whine about. He was just trying to divert the attention away from
his career low game.I was okay with the outcome of the game at first
because I thought Max Hall was a good guy and deserved to finish his college
career with a good win....not anymore. Congratulations Max!! What an amazing
demonstration of class
So, Max got his 15 minutes of fame and this is what he chose to do with it.
Sad. More hate in an already hate filled world and the BYU collective
supporting his rant. Very, very, sad.
all you byu fans are defending halls comments saying how utah fans are the worst
ever. you guys have no idea. you need to get out of your little bubble and go
to a game outside of utah. you will realize a football game is not a place for
family home evening. its not general conference. you just might have been pourn
on you. and if you do there is nothing the university can do about it so stop
blaming the entire utah program and go lose the vegas bowl
If Utes had won the game, Max would not have had the forum to make the comments.
As we all learned last year Max is a gracious loser, too bad he couldn't act
like he'd been there before as a member of the winning team.
Ok one thing for all you guys who support what he said. It wouldn't of been bad
if any other schools quarterback said that. But this young man represents an
entire church, a church that is supposed to be above hate. Max disgraced his
school, his church, his fans , his team. In his rant about his hate for the
*classless* utes he expressed a true void of class. He won the game, and to make
comments like that is disticaple. Shame on him
To BYU-haters: this is not about religion. Get over it. You were beat fair
and square.We understand that you were embarrassed by the loss, but
don't deflect your pain by attacking free speech.
I am in utter shock that Max Hall would even use the H word. I am even more
shocked that he seems to represent the entire football team, the coaches
including Bronco, and whole university, and the LDS church. I thought Jesus
taught to love your enemies.By the way Ute fans--Jesus also said, do
good to them that hate you.Seems like there are no Christians in
Max Hall wants to talk about class? What about the cougars storming onto the
field at RES last year while we were honoring our seniors for their fantastic
contribution to our program. I was at the game yesterday and I am not going to
whine about the result. It would have been a steal if we had come back and won.
BYU with the more experienced players were the better team. The rivalry banter
was great fun around the stadium yesterday, it is a pitty that the headlines
reflect the minority and the words of a very bitter quarterback.
True BYU fans are behind Max.All of these poster who claim they are
embarrassed are really classless utah fans possing as Y fans.Won't
Only in Utah would someone be offended that someone hates them, and only in Utah
would one disown their team because a player hates their arch rival. Come down
to SEC country where all hate their rivals proudly, loudly, and not ashamed to
hear it or say it.
Mr. Cougarfan,I am LDS and have always been a UTE, and will always be a
UTE. Sadly, comments like your's "the U of U can never be the same caliber of
BYU" is exactly what fuels the disdain that many have for BYU. Please come down
from your lofty perch and start acting like we all believe we should. You and
your comments are what perpetuates the dislike.
You know who you are.Where were you when Gary Patterson said it was
of prime importance for every player on his team to hate the opponent?You are pleased that Max Hall was defensive, because you goaded him on. You know you hate BYU, because you say so.You know you hate
BYU fans, because you say so.You know Hall was right about you, and
you are proud of it. And you are glad you lost again, because it's so
much easier to be a poor sport when you lose.Sportsmanship in this
rivalry went into the toilet with Urban Meyer and has not come out.I
heard of no reprimand for Utah's fans for last year, though the treatment of BYU
fans and families was abysmal. No statement was made by the university. Max Hall will be reprimanded, as he should be, but he's hardly the only
or even the real culprit in a rivalry that's completely out of control.
maxie just throw gas on the fire, then ran out of the room leaving the rest of
the zoobies to deal with the heat. i would hate to be a zoobie fan at RES next
Who won the game? was it even a game? why didnt Utah show up?
I could care less about BYU or Utah; I live in Utah because of my job. Let's
face it, every team has some idiots wearing their gear. But my experience has
been that the Utah fans do tend to be "classless" more often than the BYU guys.
The BYU fans don't seem to say or do much to draw attention to themselves
whereas the Utah fans seem to have a special need to draw attention to
themselves. They seem to be very insecure which is kind of funny since the
football team has been to a BCS bowl twice and BYU has never been.My
guess is that there was a lot less "liquid" being poured on Utah fans last night
than there was being poured last year on BYU fans. Utah fans, if
you see one of your own acting like an idiot DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Don't let
dummies taint your reputation. BYU fans, do the same. You both are acting like
Dear Max Hall, Before you make blanket statements regarding the
University of Utah please remember that some great people attended school there
including: Gordon B. HinckleyThomas S. MonsonJake
GarnLaVell EdwardsAlan AshtonStephen Coveyand many
more who have productively contributed to society. Maybe with a
little luck and and some lessons in manners and sportsmanship you too can become
a productive member of society. Sincerely, A classless
Ah...college football, where boys will be boys. Honestly, does any UTE out there
really care if Max Hall hates us? It's a shame we lost sure, but I love our
team, our seats in our stadium, our players and those of us who keep it classy,
fun and enjoy a good rivalry. Move past it all. Silly words from a silly boy. It
won't be the first or last time this will happen with such a strong dislike
among the fans. I have sat in both stadiums and been proud and embarrassed by
You got to be kidding me. We were at the game dressed in red and we threatened
and mocked and taunted some guy even mooned us. We even got BYU sparkle dumped
on us. Somebody's wife even clocked me in the mouth. Talk about classless.
needed to be said. They have been doing mean things to his family for years.
About time he stood up for them. And he is 2-1 against those jerks. Good job
Max. You are the best. Can't wait to see you in the NFL. I predict, 3 rd
draft choice to the 49ers to take the place of Smith and show him how to play
Wow, what a great representative for your school and religion BYU. You must be
proud that he represents your team. I will always be a devoted Utah fan.
Oh poor BYU fans. You get a little mistreated at the game. Now you know how all
us Non-Mormons living in the state feel. Enjoy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder how outraged the u fans would be at Max's comments had they won the
game. There's the real issue. U fans have taunted Max relentlessly for three
years and now act surprised when he fires back. Hilarious! Those of you who
didn't do anything to Max's family you know he wasn't talking about you. Unless
you are one of the cowards that stand by and watch these things happen and do
nothing about it all in the name of football. You deride Collie saying don't
bring the church into football and then deride Max as a church member for saying
something about U football fans. Which way is it???? Does the church belong in
this conversation or not?
its laughable how bitter maxie is because of his 15 turnovers last year and his
mediocre career at B.Y.ZOO. no undefeated; seasons no BCS bowls; just a couple
of lucky win against Utah and another vegas bowl. quest fulfilled maxie. Ha ha
ha and do they even sell beer at RES, i just buy those caffeinated
I dont side from either team but theUtes will remember that next season
I can appreciate Max's sentiments, especially after the beer fest shower his
family received last year. I would sugar coat my feelings myself, but I can't
blame him for holding some resentment against the USchool, after all it is an
emotional issue for him and who has not wished BYU would get emotional about
this rivalry and about this game. Truth be told I am sure he actually holds
respect for the respectful and the deserving and was merely letting out the
pent-up feelings of a year of abuse.In the end I am glad to see the
Cougars "bring it". If you think Max is a bad QB, if you think Bronco is a poor
coach, if you think the Cougars have a slow team, or if you think BYU just lives
right and got all the calls and all the luck, none of that really matters. What
happened is that BYU with their coaches and QB and all just beat another top 25
team. Max has a slew of school and conference records, as does Bronco. Go
figure. They must be doing something right. How is it possible. And they are
You fumbled it again Max. You've turned into everything you claim to hate.
It's amazing to read all these Ute fans all riled up about being lumped in with
the "small minority" who behave poorly. I have some questions for all of you
who feel this way:1) where have you been for the past 2 years as
your "small minority" have overrun the BYU centric stories with comments that
far exceed "smack talk" and fall more accurately into the realm of nasty and
vile, often directed personally at Max Hall?2) Where are you in the
stands when your "brethren" are mis-behaving? Why aren't you standing up for
what you say you believe is right?3) Where were you when a former
coach disrescpected BYU by putting their logo on urinal cakes, and refused to
use the name of their university, and a former player to vocalized his hate for
BYU ?Only now do you show up to criticize, when it's directed at
"your" team.BYU isn't the only team with some pathetic hypocrites
Again the Utah fans are poor little victims.Two years ago it was
mean Austin collie who said the lord blesses people.... waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh.Now Max say he hates us. Why, we have only been kind to him and his
wife. We have never said anything mean spirited, and our players played a clean
game, without any punches or personal fouls, sob, sob, sob...Geez,
you guys go after him for three years, cold, classless and mean. How
dare he say anything about that.Max, we all have to deal with Uth
fans at work. They earned what you said.When I hear them all cry
tomorrow, all I need to ask is whether or not they hate BYU? All of
the Utes posting they are BYU fans, take Hall out of the bowl game, nice try.All of they Utes posting they are BYU fans and are embarassed, nice
try.Max, last night you had a tough game, but 0 INT and 2 TDs (Yep,
outplayed the freshman whether the Ute fans think so or not.)You
earned my respect last night, and earned it again after the game. Kick em when they're down. It's about time.
Win or lose the Utah State fans stay for everything. Those are what real fans
are made of.
Oh quit saying that only a few Utah fans are classless. I refuse to ever go to
a home game at Utah ever again. I have been to both basketball and football and
it is a horrible experience. It has been said that most Utah fans aren't that
bad, then clean out the worst already. The level of profanity and the absolute
hatred expressed towards BYU is deplorable. If the U wants this to be a good
rivalry there needs to be respect.
As a Utah graduate and a fan of Runnin' Ute football for 40 years, I have to
admit that I also have been mortified by the behavior of many ute fans. I
personally have witnessed obscene gestures, verbal assaults, and beer-throwing
toward BYU fans who have done nothing to warrant such behavior other than
showing up wearing BYU sweatshirts. This is a topic that should receive further
consideration by the powers-that be.That being said, I was very
proud of our team's performance. They NEVER quit, and in spite of Max Hall's
comments, BYU's mediocre offensive performance combined with Utah's gritty play,
the Utes DID deserve the win. Go Utah!!!
I'm a fan of neither team, but it always amuses me how many so called
"Christians" behave like beasts and get vile and nasty and justify their
aggression all kinds of ways.
You just went from 6ft whatever to 10 feet tall in my book. I get it, I get it,
I get it.Awesome Job, way to go out on top and get the last laugh.
embarrased by Max Halls remarks. There are awesome fans at the U, and their
banners hung out front of their stadium speak for themselves. Max, think
before you speak. Good Heck.
I have more respect for the Utah cheerleader pummeled a BYU fan that "attacked"
him a few years back.At least the cheerleader defended himself
against a thug fan. What did max do nothing he mouthed off after a win how much
hate he has.
What Max Hall said was what has been thought by both sides of this rivalry since
it began. Let it rest people...What strikes me more is everybody's
criticism of the guy. All you hypocrites must be saying that you have never
said that you hated anything about anybody else in your life, correct?The best sporting events are played with passion. That's what makes them
great. Sure guys say some stupid stuff every now and again, but that's part of
sports and rivalries. Quit blowing things outta proportion.
I am not a byu or utah fan, but this is the attitude that makes people not like
byu. Grow up or at least pretend you are an example to kids all over. What a
poor example you are.
KEEP IT UP BYU AND YOUR PROGRAM WILL EXIT LIKE IT COULDN'T BUT DID UP AT RICKS
Never threw beer at BYU fans but next year it will be raining root beer since
every Utah fan knows better then to waste beer.
As a BYU student, and one who takes all those dang calls and mail about donating
more money to the sports program there, this speaks very poorly of the program.
When I donate to the Y, it is because it stands for something different than
other schools. When a play takes that scholarship, and puts on that uniform, he
is responsible for carrying himself in a way that represents the name of the
school on that jersey. When Max was talking, he was talking as a representative
of that school, not just for himself.That is why he should not have
said what he said. If you don't understand that Y fans, you are truly a
clueless and classless lot. Fortunately many of us understand that not always
the brightest or smartest are the one who post their oh so well developed
opinions here. There is no intelligence test to become a fan of any school. And
for you Y fans who have stood up and condemned his comments, good for you for
standing up for a higher standard. I absolutely love football -
support it all I can. But what is really important needs to stay in
its just laughable seeing how bitter maxie is about last year with his 15
turnovers and his mediocre career at B.Y.Zoo. no undefeated seasons no BCS
bowls. just a couple of lucky Utah wins and another Vegas bowl. quest
fullfilled! they don't even sell beer at RES do they. i've never
seen it, but i just buy caffeinated cola beverages
And you wonder why we like Tim Tebow so much. We also win championships and have
better TD to interception ratios. Way to secure your legacy, Brother Hall.Listen, I like all three programs (including Weber State) within an hour
of my new home. But face it, yesterday was not a positive representaion of how
good these programs are.Long way to mature before you get to the
Florida and Florida State (even at 6-6) level.
Seriously, if the table's were turned and the Utes won and the QB said that HE
hated everything about BYU would Utah fans praise him or ridicule him?? Just
something to think about.
Right on | 12:00 p.m. Nov. 29, 2009If ANY Ute player or fan had his
family abused, I guarantee they would do the same thing!-----------NO WAY!!! I guarantee you if roles were switched the person
throwing the beer would have some front teeth missing. Case in
point:Utah cheerleader pummels a fan"Even our cheerleaders are
kicking your butt."– Former Utah wide receiver Steve Smith
Max Hall's actions and the true vitriol that seems to exist between students
from both institutions even of the same faith is probably one of the main
reasons that many in the LDS hierarchy want to get rid of organized sports at
college institutions (see Ricks Collge/College of Idaho). You see one thing
that Max forgot is that he represents more than just himself, his football
program, his school, his coaches and his teammates. He represents his faith.
He represents how sports is reflected through his faith. Not that BYU will end
organized sports tomorrow but that day may come sooner rather than later if the
athletes that represent our faith and the Lords University can't do a little
better with this stewardship. Max, you're not an 18-year old kid, you are 24 or
25, a young man with a bright future but unfortunately you acted like a spoiled
brat. You have been given the gift (despite your detractors from both BYU and
Utah fans) to play football at a high level which has brought both blessings and
responsibilities. You must rise to a higher standard that comes with these
... deserves to have him be their QB. And guess what, those of you who condone
his hateful comments--there really, seriously, and truly are true-blue BYU fans
who have stopped cheering for Max Hall. I am one of them. Believe it. And I will
NOT, as one of you suggested, "take a hike." Deal with THAT if you will.If Bronco REALLY puts his money where his mouth is, it'll be Riley
Nelson leading BYU to victory in a bowl game while Max Hall watches from home.
Enough is enough in this stupid rivalry. Hall went WAY too far. Any
BYU fan still defending his comments should be as ashamed of themselves as Hall
ought to be, but probably won't.
WOW Max. You are truely a classy guy. You must be the greatest BYU quarterback
ever. Four winning seasons. A couple conference championships. Most winningest
quaterback ever and a BCS game victory, oh sorry I forgot that did not happen.
You will be remembered for being a mediocre quaterback at best and falling short
of the quest, errrrr, being fully invested. At least Ty Detmer has a Heisman.
Were #2, Were #2.
You can rest easy, knowing that your school is one of the top 5 most hated
schools in the entire nation. Hate all you want, Max, the feeling is mutual.
A common trait of the guilty is to deflect blame away from themselves.It is easy to criticize a few comments by a QB, but how many Utah fans are
asking their own fan base and university to stop their own bad behavior?
Um, which team had by far more personal fouls?UtahWhich
team's players showed less class?UtahWhich coach is
responsible for this behavior?KW
I am glad you said what you said Max, I have hated the Utes for years. (I have
been spat on as well for no reason). I am delighted that B.Y.U. and the Aggies
represent our state.
I just "hate" those darn, fetchin' Utes!Good luck in the NFL. Doh!
Clearly Max Hall does not hate any one individual. He, like many many others
hates the rudeness of many (not all) Utah fans. And, since the university
refuses to take action, then that disgust extends to that institution.
Thank you Max Hall for bringing this subject to the media. Utah's bad behavior
has gone on too long.
like the people who throw beer, and of course, Max Hall himself, spoil the whole
barrel.The rivalry will be better next year without ol' Max "Classy"
When will you take action to curb this kind of behavior. I recall that more
than a few times President Samuelson has asked BYU fans to show sportsmanship at
games--and it has worked.When will you do the same?
As a Utah fan I proudly wore my red in LES. Throughout the entire game I was
pelted with trash and bottles thrown by BYU fans. Grow up Max, your wife isn't
the first to be hit with something at a game.
When Utah won 3-0 back in 2003 I think. I was a Ute fan in LES sitting in Red
clothing among BYU fans. There was no animosity shown to me at that time. I
was with my brother and my young nephew who are BYU fans. After the game while
walking out of the stadium a BYU fan in a large truck intentionally cut me off
several times as I was trying to walk across a road. The man sneered at me and
didn't realize that he almost hit my young short "BYU fan" nephew. So should I
generalize every BYU fan as Aggravated Assault perpetrators because one jerk
couldn't control his temper?Max Hall is the epitome of poor
sportsmanship with the added inability to control his temper, arrogance and/or
tongue. Max Hall is a classless loser. Those that agree with him are also
HATEFUL. That does not mean all BYU fans are like Max Hall.Max
insulted every tithing paying Ute fan that assists him to go to BYU free of
charge and play in new fancy Retro jerseys. Max clearly is a spoiled, hateful
poor sport and he should be benched.
Maxey Boy, I love the University of Utah. It is a wonderful school, and
for your information people who are LDS go to the U. What you said last night
was not classy, and your two year old tantrum was unreasonable. I mean clearly
your team won. Duh! Why did you let out three years of anger and hate out the
day your team beat the U? I would also like to say that Utah fans are classy. It
was your fans who hit Kyle Whittingham's wife. That is MEAN! I mean shouldn't
you be at least a little happy that you won? Think about it. Oh ya just saying I
hate your guts, but I will get over it because I can do that. Hope you can too.
Max just said what every player and fan of either team thinks about the other
school. Get off his back. People say he's chicken, give me a break, people who
are chicken don't dare say anything. Good job MAX
Family first, hate a close second.Stay classy, Max
Thank you Max Hall for telling it like it is, and being fearless to say and give
back what BYU has been subjected too over the years of rivalry. The U coach is
a BYU graduate. How conflicted could that be? The U President is from BYU and
the BYU Pres is from the U. WE have to agree to disagree. Why not
we just put this behind us and get a life like so many have suggested? The U has
been so vindictive outwardly. Now, finally someone puts them in their place. I
say, it was STANDING UP for what Max Hall believed and I don't fault him for
saying it. NO apology is needed. Maybe he was caught up in the moment, but lets
move on people. All these comments are like the pot calling the kettle black.
The U says it all the time about BYUThe Savior would just say, "He
who is without sin, can, may or should cast the first stone." Some
wisdom here and now can we all just get on with our life and STOP? I am an
alumni of both schools, but my heart is TRUE BLUE.
President Samuelson is a U grad--guess that one is not going to sit pretty with
your school's president is it? What were you thinking? There is a difference
between saying I hate a team in the heat of the moment over going after everyone
associated with the school.
So where is the sugar bowl MVP playing nowadays? HAHAHHHAHAHAAH, he couldn't
even make it in the UFL and there are only 4 teams, I think Hall will at least
get on a roster somewhere, even j. Beck is on a roster in Baltimore, so I don't
know where all these comments from Ute fans are coming from, your greatest NFL
QB is Scott Mitchell for crying out loud. BYU has TWO super bowl winners!!!
I find it quite interesting. Utah fans and players can say and do anything rude
or obscene about BYU and nothing is said but when BYU fires back it's in the
national news. What's wrong with this picture? BYU fans aren't perfect ( just
like the whole world) but they strive for a higher level. If we're going to make
a big issue about Max Hall's comments, then you should do the same with Utah.
I've heard it and seen it but these comments aren't recorded because it's OK for
Ute fans to say them but not BYU fans.Max Hall is my hero.
Max's comments were pretty stupid. Yes, I would be very mad if some Ute fans
poured beer on my wife and mother, but I wouldn't say I hate the whole
University because of it. Yes, Some Ute fans are very classless. But so are some
BYU fans. Most fans from both sides that I know personally are great people with
a lot of class.
really BYU fans?No one cares about BYU anywhere...period. The only people
that care are in the mountain west, and they are despised here, I know that for
a fact. It is laughable that these kids think they are missionaries for the
church. Everyone knows they are the dirtiest players. Is that what you teach
at your firesides? Do you teach the sick kids at the hospitals to punch, choke,
and kick players when they are already down? What an utter embarrassment
It is true, we are over the top rude.
I don't understand why Mendenhall stuck with Hall. He was always horrible when
it counted. I am embarrased by Max Halls comments and am embarrased he is a BYU
member. This is not what my university stands for. We stand for completly the
opposite of what he did.
These posts prove that there are classless fans (a minority). It also proves
that there are classless players (a minority) and Max Hall is a classless
player. No wonder he struggles in the big games. No wonder the team looks lost
much of the time. Leaders need to be the best. Its obvious to me if Max Hall
was a fan he would be the one throwing the beer (or root beer). I'm not a BYU
or Utah fan but at the end of the game I thought "good for you Max Hall, you
stood in there even though you had a bad game." These are two classy programs
who played a great game. The final pass was almost picked...I wish now it would
have been. Bronco should kick him off the team. Better to lose with a classy
leader then win with a loser.
Shame on you Max. You didn't deserve the win, the defense won this game, not
you. The true BYU fans are the ones who uphold the standards of the University
and disply good sportsmanship. You will never be mentioned in company with the
great quarterbacks like Detmer, Young, Bosco, etc., and all because you couldn't
control your toungue. A true champion doesn't let his emotions overcome him. I
hope you can be a man and admit how foolish your comments were and apologize to
our friends and family who are fans of a fine university to the north or Provo.
They don't deserve it and neither do we, the true fans.
Max Hall - thank you for your heartfelt comments towards the many members of
your church who happen to be Utah fans, among them me and my family. How sad
that you are so consumed with hate, that you lump all Ute fans together like you
have. Please ask Bronco to explain your actions the next time he comes to our
stake to give a little "BYU Football is Righteous" fireside. May you some day
find peace. But know this, Utah football was always and will always be your
Max Hall says that the Utes lack class? If Max Hall is representative of the
tradition, spirit, and honor of BYU Football, then I want no part of it.
Not wanting to hide behind a screen name, I have included it above... I am a
former BYU fan, I have been a repented Wyoming fan since we moved to Utah in
1992 and I learned first hand how hypocritical BYU fans really are. Please note
that while Utah fans are not excused in their unsportsmanlike actions, neither
is BYU, fans or players. I understand being upset and angry about actions that
are rude; however, airing those grievances publicily and placing the Church and
its members in a bad light are excessivly in poor taste and uncalled for. I beg
Coach Mendenhall to have Max Hall apologize publicily for his behavior and words
from last night's news conference. He owes EVERYONE an apology and should have
behaved with more class, demonstrating what a good player and representative of
the Church he is held to be. He owes it to those youngsters who look up to him
both on and off the field, some rolemodel...
Charming guy. Might have a concussion. Pretty sure if he played for Utah, he
would be done. Be interesting to see how BYU deals with this.
If ANY Ute player or fan had his family abused, I guarantee they would do the
same thing! how do you spell classless and hypocrite? U-T-A-H. Like the word
hate has never come out of a Ute player of Ute fans mouth! And aren't a lot of
Ute's LDS too? Yep, sure are. How classy is a HEAD coach, the face of the
University, that calls for an onside kick while leading by about 40 points. Only
one that I know of, and he's LDS right?. Pot calling the kettle black, right?
of everything I hate about BYU.He is arrogant. He is
classless.He's a coward, (where were these comments before the game?
If he really has issues, why does he not man up and deal with it rather than
hiding behind a win?)He thinks his poop doesn't stink.He
thinks that he can pop off and call the entire University with a broad brush
based on the actions of a few fans.Well, Maxi boy, I am going to use
your comments to paint all of BYU with the brush that BYU is arrogant,
That's pretty sad, if someone has to go on about how classless someone or
something else is, that shows that they don't have any class OR respect.He
could have just been happy that they won and just gotten over what happened last
year. Nobody except BYU fans cared about who won that game because the MWC
title wasn't on the line, so everything he said was really uncalled for... But there is always next year for us to beat them. GO UTES!! :)
Hey Max, I am a die hard UTAH fan, member of the LDS church, teacher in
the Aaronic Priesthood, and am currently working on my Duty to God, and after I
first heard your comments my hate for you just intensified. But after thinking
through it a little bit I realized that I would be just like you to go on having
hateful feelings towards another school and their fans. I don't like you or
what you said, but I'm not going to let your little immature comments ruin an
amazing rivalry and game. I don't know what your problem is, but I'm
sorry for you, for BYU, and for your fans. Because what you said last night
just shows what you, your program, being a returned missionary, and a member of
the church stands for. Thanks Max, I am so glad that I am not a BYU fan
and have to put up with players like you who tarnish amazing victories. You
have officially joined the hall of greats who let there mouth run: 1)Austin
Collie, and now you 2)MAX HALL
Neither team nor their fans have any room to talk smack about the other side.
I've had hot dogs, ice, milk duds, etc thrown at me at LE Stadium while cheering
for UCLA my school. What do they say about people who live in glass houses...?
I would like to thank Max Hall for reminding me that I would rather be a
"CLASSLESS UTE" than a "CLASSY ZOOB" anyday! Thanks!
RE: Maxie | 8:58 a.m. Nov. 29, 2009 How did Max Hall get the last
laugh? That statement is going to haunt him and the Y for a long time. Talk
about locker room fodder--that kind of talk is worth a decade of pre game rah
rah for Kyle and the Utes.It is old watching some BYU players and
fans get on their high horses after a big win and be some of the biggest
hypocrites in the world. BYU fans have to be some of THE poorest winners ever
witnessed in college sports.
I don't agree with Max's comments but I do understand his feelings. Apparently
it has been far more than beer on the family last year. Another BYU coach
(different sport) said all year long Max has gotten calls from Ute fans late at
night and in early mornings to spew filthy unrepeatable comments. His family
gets targeted for ugly jokes, he gets harassed by Ute fans continually - hence
the "nasty" reference he made. And I'm sure Max, on a cooler head
wouldn't made those comments - President Monson gave the prayer for the Utes in
their locker room before the game. So it is too bad that the rivalry has gotten
ugly. The MWC should reprimand Hall but include the Utes for all the ugliness
they've been spewing.
Hey Max, guess who is a UTAH fan? Pres. Monson. Yea thats right, he was
honored dressed red at one of the home football games this year. I
bet you hate him, and Pres. Hinkley too right? Since they and most of the first
presidency is a UTAH grads.btw, RES doesn't allow beer. so i doubt
if there was any beer tossing it wasn't much, or it was coke. Why dont you get
over it and don't blame all of Utah fans.
i agree with it all
I'm like the others here that root for both BYU and Utah because I grew up in
Utah and live in Missouri. I usually lean slightly toward BYU, but Max
disappointed me. I know he got caught in the moment, but HATE is a very strong
word, and to make a blanket statement like that was wrong. Sort of hypocritical
to say the U is "classless" when saying those things in and of themselves is
I'm so sick of everyone dragging religion into this. Max Hall does notRepresent the church when he speaks. I think he went overboard with his
comments because Utah has a great program that I have a lot of respect for and
some great fans. But put yourself in his shoes. He has lived a nightmare for the
past year because of a GAME. Are you kidding me people? Verbally and physically
abusing someone and their family. Leave all this extra stuff out. Go cheer for
your team, respect the other, enjoy a good game. Win and lose with class! When
BYU beat Oklahoma this year, ok's fans treated us like guests and congratulated
us on the win after. What a good example of a quality program. I wish all fans
would act that way.
Thanks so much Max Hall for reminding me why I will NEVER be a cougar fan, what
a classy way to win!
PERFECT COMMENTS MAX. Utes deserved that. And to all you people saying "There
are general authorities that went to Utah....etc. etc." Use your head
folks...do you really think he was talking about them? Do you really think
thats what he meant? He made a blanket statement but that happens ALL THE TIME.
It's left up to your intellect to create the filter. Use your head Utes...if
you came hear and we threw Caffeine Free Diet Coke on you AND that drink
happened to be religiously offensive to you, you might make similar comments.
Suck it up and "try" to beat us next year.
Hate is a pretty strong word, especially for something as silly as a rivalry
between two universities. Sure, rivalries are fun and it's natural for there to
be a little bit of contention, but "hating" the other school and its fans? Come
on. That's a little bit extreme and, well, crazy. Lighten up and
just be proud of your accomplishment. It was a job well done, but don't lower
your standards like this and act like a mad little kid.
As an alum and former scholarship box season ticket holder, I stopped going to
Utah games because many of the Utah fans (?) aren't about school vs. school, but
anti Mormon. I still contribute to the U, and hold basketball season tickets,
but I have not been to a football game their in the last 10 years. I do have
season tickets to BYU football. I am certainly not alone. until the U cleans up
their act, I and many others will not be going to their games. U vs. Y, I want
the U. Anti-Mormons vs. Y, I want the Y.
I am a BYU fan. I have been for 32 years.After a year of harassment
and dealing with the Utah fans that never let up I am glad Max told the truth. I
am LDS and I am glad he told the truth. The truth is that Utah fans are great
and have good sportsmanship when playing other teams and act like animals with
BYU and frankly BYU fans are not nice to anyone. They were a little better this
year in Vegas but two years ago I was embarrassed to be LDS.This
young man told the truth. I am proud of him. Maybe the Church members could be
as honest and it would cure a lot of the problems in the church today.I am thrilled that Utah did not fall out of the top 25 and I will be cheering
for Utah in its bowl game as I will be cheering for TCU, Air Force and Wyoming.
And Special Congrats to Wyoming and their first year coach.Now Wake
up MWC and ask Boise, Fresno and Nevada to join up.
Did he just interview for Glenn Beck's job?
Beer is not allowed at RES and there is no mention on the blotter of any such
assault. Max must be lying and or remembering wrong.
To "Let the Ute Whining Begin" -- Two situations:1. Some beer gets
thrown on poor lil' Max's family.2. A large Y fan punches Coach
Whittingham's wife in the lip and tells her to shut up.We all know
whose "whining" is getting more air time, despite the disproportion of these two
responses. Also, to Cougarfan:U fans don't mock Y
fans because they are sober and church owned. They mock them because they
profess divine intervention on the football field for living righteously.
However, time and again, Y fans stoop to the same low levels as everybody else
(or lower) and reflect very un-Christian comments and behavior. Don't put
football next to sacrament meeting, you will always end up a hypocrite. P.S. Max Hall should be benched for the bowl game if there is any
decency left in the BYU football program. His uncontrollable mouth reflects
horribly on BYU, Utah in general, and especially the Church. Have a nice Sunday,
Look on the bright side. This took everybody's minds off of Elizabeth Lambert.
Maybe they'll run this on ESPN and the Today Show.
I hope he got a degree. Cause a year from now he will be looking for jobs like
everyone else. Every time we see his most wins against bad opponents no one will
remember anything but a qb who didnt show up in big games. Now add classless to
Do you people understand that this "Beer" incident happened over a year ago! If
you were upset, talk about it then and move on!To Barely win (no
thanks to you), and then say this while representing your school is just
classless! I a glad this was your last game in the season for BYU -
Good Riddens, good luck with an NFL career... LOL
Max, Come on 12 for 32 for less than a buck fifty who are you to mouth off
after the game, your play is what kept the game close. Locker room talk in the
media is freshmanish, not the actions of a senior who has played in several of
these heated games. Leaving a stink on the program as you leave was fitting of
your performance Saturday. When one pays for 4 tickets at a 100 bucks a pop and
watch a quarterback play like you did, I'd hope you'd understand criticism is
going to come your way, its part of the game. Face it your legacy will always be
the winningest QB that choked in the big games.
Typical, no class BYU.
This situation has caused alot of PR damage to the LDS Church. Is it time to
drop football? Is the game more important than the Gospel and sending heroes to
the NFL? The General Authoritys need to consider getting out of the "college
football" business. Eli Herring opted out of the NFL draft and became a High
School teacher, he knew better.
Max will now go down in folklore as the equivalent of Antonio Salieri. Most
commonly known, not for his accomplishments, but for tales about his inferiority
complex and anger. He lost in the worst place, his head.He embarrassed half of Utah and offended the the other half of Utah. Time to
head back to Arizona Max.
Perhaps part of the problem with the rivalry is the fans who do not participate
in the classless acts, but they don't do anything to stop those who are. I was
at the game yesterday, and there were Utah fans here and there surrounded by
Cougar fans. When a Cougar fan attempted to taunt one group of Utes, others
around the area put a stop to it. They wanted to keep it a fun rivalry in our
area.My problem attending these same games up north is that although
the beer throwing and attempts to start fights are only done by the minority, I
don't see many people putting a stop to it. If you don't do something to put a
stop to the problem, do you become a part of the problem? I think you do.
The fact of the matter is both sides treat each other in unacceptable ways. I
just love how everyone hates Max Hall for what he said. The simple fact of the
matter is if any one of us was in his shoes and has been through what he has the
last couple of years we would probably have a lot of the same feelings.
Regardless of whether or not we would have said those things we would have had
those feelings.So here is what should happen. Fans and everyone on
both sides need to grow up and stop saying things that are inappropriate. Just
read these boards all year long and its not hard to see Max isn't alone in his
mean spirited comments.We all need to step it up and act like
adults. If we as fans can't do it how can we expect our players to do it?
Everyone needs to have more class and dignity. If you've said something mean
about your rival you are just as bad as Max Hall! Point the finger at yourself
instead of all the players (not just max) who hate the other team.
About time someone comes out and says the truth, Max had every right to say what
he did, with all the remarks said about him and everything done to his family.
Max his a great QB and will go down with the greatest QB to ever leave the great
campus of BYU. Thanks For all the great seasons MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO BYU
How is Max classless?! I would think that getting beer thrown on his family by
the classless Yewt fans was justification for his comment.A team is not
just defined by its players, coaches, program, etc. A team is defined by its
fans.Max gave his opinion and I agree with him 100%Daniel
JohnsonSalt Lake City, UT
I am a huge BYU football fan, but Max, not cool. Little kids look to you as an
example. An apology to the Ute fans and organization are in order.
Thanks Max Hall for reminding me why I can never cheer for the Cougars. Bronco
should set an example, and suspend him for the bowl game. I would be surprised
if the MWC didn't step in suspend him. Next's years going to be fun. Good job
Utes. For a rebuilding year, 9-3 is not bad. Max, for being a senior, you sure
didn't show any leadership yesterday. Can't imagine Brian Johnson saying
anything like that. What a spoiled little brat. Next year, Kyle will run the
score up on you guys, when you have the freshman QB. Can't wait. You'll loose
your bowl game anyway.
There is nothing classless about Hall's comments. I played at BYU in the 90s and
the experiences I have had with Utah fans over the last 15 years have been
unbelievable. Without any provocation my 5 year old kids have endured the
ugliest language imaginable with religion and god mixed in. I stopped going to
games in Salt Lake. And I am not from Utah. I'm objective about it all. When
Utah went the distance and beat Alabama I felt hands down they deserved a
national championship. I've been to Notre Dame, Florida State, USC, even
Wyoming, etc and never have I seen the things that come from Ute fans. Having
beer thrown on me is really not a biggie compared to the other things I have
seen and heard. The question is? Does Whittingham condone it?
Byu football; first class fans, second class football. Enjoy vegas,
and congrats on the win.
I dont know how many of you sat next to max's family last year at the Utah game,
but I did. The sportsmanship was terrible in that stadium. It was amazing to me
to see how his family gets treated over a FOOTBALL GAME!!! I have attended byu
football games for almost 20 years and that was the worst sportsmanship I have
ever seen demonstrated!! I know all fans arent that way, but the few really made
up for everyone!!Great Season MAX!!
I've been in Rice Eccles Stadium as a BYU fan and had a blind side hit in the
back of my head by some coward. Classless fans! Truth hurts sometime Utes....as
evidenced by your posts here!
What Courage Max! saying what you said afer you wont have to face the Utes ever
again. Why not say it before the game? or after last year's thumping and beer
incident? It took you four years and knowing that you would not have to play
another Ute again! Wow, you are my hero!!
When a recruit visits Mendenhall's office, the coach has them read paragraphs
from a Hinckley talk on the mission of BYU that Bronco has highlighted with a
yellow marker. The conversation focuses Bronco's expectations for the athlete's
Character and conduct - honesty, integrity, honor and respect.At the
beginning of the year, Oregon dealt with Lagarrette Blount's unsportsmanlike
conduct swiftly and decisively. Since then, the program has thrived. Bronco, Holmoe and Samuelson - now it is your turn. What message are you
going to send?
I back up Max. Not his best game but he got the W over all Utah's excusses.
Great season and Great Carrer. GO win a bowl game!
Max has his reasons for his comments, I guess, but he didn't need to air out his
feelings to the media. The hatred between Ute fans and Coug fans reminds me oF
Church basketball tournaments. I've seen bishops calling out bishops and quorum
presidents engage in fisticuffs with quorum presidents. It is disgusting and
So I guess the term "turn the other cheek" only applies to true christians and
not BYU "Mormons". I am LDS and now understand why many people don't like BYU
Mormons. They live in a bubble and live by thier own rules. If you're going to
preech our religion to the masses then start living the pricipals in every
capacity. Max Hall and the fans that are ustifying with his coments need to sit
down, look in the mirror and decide who they want to be and what they truely
Oh please, the only ones offended by his comments are the classless Ute fans
(truth stings) and the immature Ute fools posing as “disgusted” BYU
fans.Ute fans, and yes, the majority, are absolutely classless. It
doesn’t matter though. The Utes are back on their normal path of
mediocrity, and all those Ute “fans” will be hidden in the shadows
from whence they came pre-2004.
Well thank goodness Max "I Hate You" Hall is giving lessons in how to be classy.
By golly "hate" is as classy as it comes. I'm sure glad my boys heard that.
What a guy.
I love all the Ute fans on here acting like BYU graduates saying how embarrassed
What classless way to top off an average performance over depleted Utes team.
So much for being gracious in victory. I wonder, would Max Hall include in his
assessment all the General Authorities that graduated from the U and remain fans
of the team? A PERFECT example of everything that's wrong with this rivalry.
BYU will never bench this nearly washed-up loser for the bowl game. Winning
football games is more important to the fans than is exhibiting the type of
Christian behavior they supposedly believe in.
Generally I do not post - but as apparently a classless person (which also
suggests my wife, children, father, mother hmmmm - several prophets and general
authorities too are classless) this is one I simply have to do. I
was at Lavell Edwards Stadium on Saturday and had a great time. Fun atmosphere
- other than a couple BYU fans that I needed to educate in manners (they were
cheering Jordan Wynn getting hurt and to their credit apologized and were great
the rest of the game) - the fans were terrific. Yeah, they rubbed it in when
BYU was up by 14, but they were pretty humble when the U tied it at the end. I
had a great time.On the other hand Max Hall showed his maturity (or
lack of it) - Utah got into his head in 2008 and it is clear they are still in
his head (shown through his performance on the field and inappropriateness off
the field). Life is long - unfortunately for Max our memory of him will not be
great football - it will be for defining "classlessness".Other than
Maxs' idiot statement - it was a fun day (only would have been better if the U
That doesn't excuse him. My son (he was younger at the time) and I were pelted
with popcorn and paperwads while attending the Notre Dame game at LES. There
were lot of abusive comment aimed at my who was 12 at the time. It's funny
because when I complained about it I was labled just another anti-Mormon
"hater". Max Hall just racheted up the religious divide in Utah. But then
from what I've gathered since moving to Utah was that Mormons "Hate" non-Mormons
After being a class act, it has all gone down the drain. Andrew George will
always be remembered for the 2009 finish but there will always be "an ah but"
associated with Max Hall's name. Not a good way to end a career! Bronco has
tried hard to build your image, so much for that effort.
Hilarious how Utah fans are so upset about Max saying the same thing Ute
athletes have said on many occasions! I've heard more crude and vulgar chants
from Utah fans than any other fan base. I've attended games in SEC and Big 12
stadiums...including some intense rivalry games. Those fans cheer loud but they
have class and are respectful of their capable opponents. Utah fans are
classless. I'm relieved that Max Hall finally said it how it is!!!
Just read through all the comments and am a little surprised. To me this is
serious what happened to his family last year. Besides the beer being thrown on
his family I can only imagine the vile things that were said by people willing
to throw beer on a stranger because they cheer for the opposing team. Everyone
of you out there know that if your family was treated that way you would go down
swinging to defend and protect them. IF this was done to my family I too would
have to take a lot of time to forgive and forget. His only way to get a little
revenge after all this time was to win this game, (The appropriate way to get
his revenge I might add) he did and his emotions were high. Put yourself in his
shoes, I too would be very fired up. I'm not speaking for Max just speculating
how I would feel, what I would do.
Don't blame the church!!! It wasn't the church it was a guy who obviously
doesn't realize he will be working at Home Depot or Walmart with no career in
football. I have never enjoyed BYU or the U because of the way the fans treat
each other over a game. LDS, not LDS.... Who Cares?? I love Football and
always will, last night I watched bits and pieces and sorry Max... you didn't
play all to well. Buck up and complement your team and keep the stupid comments
to yourself. You made yourself look more classless because we don't know if
your wife was covered in beer last year.. We know you have bad sportmanship..
Fans will be fans and obvioulsy say what you want but really... Max played bad
and said what he said. He will play in what ever bowl game they are invited to.
Hopefully lose and Max can go work a job where he will be forgotten and BYU and
U fans can continue hating each other...
Alcohol is not allowed in Rice Eccles Stadium folks. Just FYI. I don't know
where all of the folklore is coming from.
It's funny that people are arguing about who has the "best" or "worst" fans.Obviously Max Hall is wrong (or he is not serious) in calling the entire
university classless. How can he generalize to such a large group of people?
There are what, 30,000-40,000 people at the U, not to mention all the alums,
etc.?I also don't understand his logic in saying that Utah didn't
deserve to win because of what their fans apparently did last year. Or is he
saying someone directly associated with Utah's athletics department harassed his
family? I just don't understand. He was obviously just emotional.
These are not rational statements. If they're more than that, then I think he
has some issues.
I am a loyal Ute fan and a faithful member of the LDS Church. I have no problem
that Max Hall feels the way he does. I think it is a bit extreme (do you really
hate every person at the University of Utah? I doubt it). My problem is that he
let it leave the locker room. Anyone who has played sports where media is
involved (I have) knows that this type of talk stays with the team. No reason
to make it public as it only detracts from your win, makes you look bad and
causes difficulty for your teammates and coaches. Max - learn some discipline.
It will serve you well once the camera lights are off and no one cares about you
anymore (which is likely in the near future since you have no football career of
substance ahead of you).
To classless "yewts": (NOT intended for classy "Ute" fans)Your
hypocrisy is amazing.You disparage Max Hall all year long,
ridiculing him, mocking him, making fun of him in private and in public, wearing
shirts that try to humiliate him, bravely posting under such names as
"Anonymous" and then act all offended when Max Hall has the guts to look the
cameras in the eye and tell you straight up he doesn't like you.Translation: You can't continually, purposely poke someone repeatedly in the
eye and then rightfully claim hurt when that someone finally punches you in the
face.Get a freaking clue.And, lest anyone think that Max
Hall only had unkind words for "yewts", remember he also said he was angry
towards fair-weather BYU fans, too.With all the garbage that Hall
unnecessarily had to wade through in the last year he showed remarkable
restraint by throwing out less than a hundred words, NONE of which would get
your mouth washed out with soap.So lose the arrogance and "hurt".
What goes around, comes around, and you got off way too easy.Dan
of battle. It was long after the game and he had plenty of time to think about
what he was saying. So this is the kind of young man that BYU selects as a
leader? Mr. Hall did more to tarnish what BYU and Mendenhall is trying to build
than any actions of some fan somewhere. Grow up, Mr. Hall. Maybe you can leave
Provo now and get a fresh start somewhere else.
How is it that EVERY BYU fan has had beer thrown on them at Rice Eccles Stadium?
That is a lot of beer thrown in a stadium that doesn't even sell it.
Maybe Max can go do community service at the UofU to make up for his
statements.Maybe all the classy Ute fans out there can send Max a
card/gift to congratulate him on the win.LOL.
Max said what others think. That is that U fans areclassless. I realized
that 30 years ago, and it hasbecome more evedant as time goes by.Way
to go Max and good game too!
Just because it's the "Y" doesn't make them all Saints does it!?Nor do
they act like them!
I am a Ute fan and I am offended by Max Hall's comments. However, I do not hate
him. I don't know him well enough to hate him. And he doesn't know me well
enough to hate me either. He doesn't know that if I had seen someone trying to
abuse his family I would have stopped it. I find that type of behavior offensive
as well. I think that whoever did that should be prosecuted. I think that the
BYU fan that punched Mrs. Whittingham should be prosecuted, but we shouldn't
attack all BYU fans for his actions. Hate is a dangerous emotion, and shouldn't
be a word that we use so carelessly.
I'm sure byu fans would dump beer on opposing fans if they could drink it!! On another note I think it's pathetic that online comments of people "hiding
behind a screen name" can actually bother max hall. Hahahahaha
Max, you are right, guys like me behind computers can take cheap shots and do
more than often. As you grow up and mature, you will realize that to even get a
shot at D-1 football, a lot of things have to fall in place in your life.While I have not been in your shoes, I have also not had the coaching,
resources and backing to be in your position.I was happy you went out with
a win, but your comments betray your selfish nature. I had beer thrown at me at
a Utah game 10 years ago, I still fume thinking about it but I would never take
it out on an entire fan base. Grow up and enjoy the CFL if you are lucky.
max shouldnt of said that and they need to bench him in the next game
i think max just did that because he was mad that he did horrible in that game,
he only got 12 out of 32 throws caught.it is okay to think that but you just
shouldnt say it out loud.they should bench him for the first half of the next
It is funny to see all the people sit back and judge Max and to call him names
for....judging and calling names. Cut the kid some slack. EVERYONE makes
mistakes his just came in front of TV cameras. Dont judge, show some compassion.
Max was completely entitled to say what he said, if what he said about the U.
Fans and what they did to his family, Max Hall can say whatever he likesAll BYU fans who are disgusted, please explain why?this is not
classless, he had every right. They messed with his family and he can say
whatever he has to. Anyone who said that this was classless and rude, fits right
into his category of an untrue fan
I am a huge BYU fan and I hope Max Hall calls a press conference on Monday and
apologizes. If he doesn't, Bronco should do the right thing and suspend him for
their bowl game. Those comments ruined an exciting win for BYU.
Max,Someone had to say it. We all know its true. Finally, it is in
I was a Max Hall fan, but not now. He paints all Utes with a broad brush and
fails to give respect to a team who nearly beat him. BYU and Hall were one
lucky break away from losing this one.I hope Hall throws 5 int's in
his bowl game. I'll never pull for him again.
This game has nothing to do with the LDS church! This is football. BYU won and
it's a big rivalry, who wouldn't rub it in their faces? GO COUGS!!!!
Max,I suggest you read about Tim Tebow on espn. Contrast that with
your own off-field behavior.For the rest of us, I suggest we hold
ourselves to the standard we are holding Max Hall.
Hall has a lot of growing up to do, it is only a game, how we treat others is
more important than any game.
You who are 'repulsed' or 'embarrassed' need to grow a spine. Max has been
attacked for a year + by Utah fans...verbally, on message boards, in articles,
signs, bumper stickers and so on...he makes one comment and now he's the devil?
He said what he felt and no one should be deprived of that right. If the media
wants to broadcast those words, then it's up to them. Grow some
thicker skin folks, Max just said what he felt...refreshing honesty.
Max, there are classless fans on both sides and there are also plenty of decent,
knowledgeable football fans - even at the U.Considering how close
the game was and that BYU might very well have lost this game, I think Hall's
comments were out of line.Either he will live to regret what he said
or he will need to grow up a whole bunch if he expects to play in the NFL.
what another great game. I'm lovin it.
I agree 100% Max! I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE U!
Good going Max, I mean he might have gone a little overboard with the whole
organiztion being Classless thing but, I mean throwing beer at his family, that
is classless. Even Ute fans have to admit that. And I don't think there is
anything wrong with him hating Utah and everything about it because I think you
talk to any Utah Player and they probally hate BYU just as much or more as Max
does, I think Max's emotions just got the better of him that night. Oh,
nice win for BYU, I was there. Atta Baby George way to kick those Utes Butts and
dash your way to the endzone. And Utah, your quarterback needs to learn to throw
deep, he had like five touchdowns if he hadn't overthrown them. Utes lost,
Cougars won, and hey we totally had the better team this year, and next year,
and next year, and for the next 20 years. So Utes you can't beat the alltime
greats the BYU COUGARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Max, thanks for helping me remember why I cheer for Utah.
Rice Eccles stadium does not sell beer, and anyone that is caught with an
alcoholic beverage is removed. They also do not allow any outside food or drink
in the stadium, except for one bottled water per person. This is straight out of
the fan guide, and this is an NCAA-mandated rule.It's time for the
embellished stories to end. The "accounts" of Ute fans pouring beer on BYU fans
need to end. If someone spills their coke, whether accidentally or
intentionally, please do not turn it in to a beer throwing incident just to make
it sound worse. Please, let honesty prevail.
"Those who do are richly rewarded by the outstanding school that makes BYU the
best school in the country."I needed a good dose of humor to start
today. Utah may have vast expanses of land, but the minds and canyons can be
I heard two U players this week say something very similar on talk radio, the
difference? It was Max Hall and in front of a much larger audience. It's a
rivalry and it should be this fierce. Yeah he could have PC'd it a little more,
buy it's done. What if Brian Johnson had said this last year? The U fans would
have been echoing support all over these blogs. There should be no discipline
and it should be forgotten until next years game. Bring it.
I am ashamed to have Max Hall represent BYU. His rampage last night was
un-called for. I hope BYU and the NCAA do not turn a blind eye to his
in-appropriate behavior. Sports are about sportsman like conduct on and off the
field. Those of you who support Hall and his comment are only adding to the
problem. Hall was out of line last night, and he needs to learn to get himself
under control. I'm very saddened for Hall's family and the pain they will have
to endure due to Max's actions.
I actually think its fine that he hates the U and everything surrounding it.
Beer showers happen, and he obviously has a right to be.But you
would have thought the heat of the moment would have been last year when the
beer was actually thrown, not a year later. he didnt say anything because they
lost. And im wondering if he would have said this stuff if they lost this year,
probably not.But what I find funny is him calling out utah AND byu
fans for criticizing him. Look at his numbers and he deserves it, from both
sides. If you are going to be a D1 quarter back, if you're going to step in the
spotlight you have to realize that you have to take the good and the bad.The truth is that the guy cant take criticism, and is using the win as a
shield for his own lashing out, much the same way people used screen names to
critisize him.bravo Max, what a baby.
Guess he wanted to be remembered for his words rather than his play. Can't
blame him really.
For all the deriding comments I have heard about Max Hall coming from Utah fans
(personal friends of mine, active LDS) I'm surprised you care what Max says or
thinks. You send your cute little text messages making fun of him, carry your
"I intercepted Max Hall" signs (even though you've never set foot on a football
field in your life) make disparaging comments about him on internet message
boards and these blogs and then act surprised when he fires back! Motes and
beams said it very well....look it up a few pages back.Ute fans, you
know he didn't really mean EVERY BODY AND EVERY THING he was talking about
football. Quit trying to be the martyr when you share the blame.
Always a cougar but root for both schools,what a great game and to see all of
papers and talk about what Max said, it will be hard for him to live this
down.Very sad at his comments, Bronco should make him sit out the
I graduated from BYU and later from the 'U'. I studied along many loyal Ute
fans and enjoyed our rivalry. I am a loyal BYU fan but do cheer for Utah in the
post season and when it helps BYU. I was disappointed in Max Hall's performance
in game but more so after the game. All Ute fans are not classless, most are as
respectful as most BYU fans. Pres Samuelson and his family are members of the
Crimson Club. They are not classless. It's just a game. Don't denigrate a
fine university because of a few overzealous fans. I would hate BYU to be
judged by our overzealous fans.
Interesting that the Deseret News ran an article earlier in the week about how
many BYU players wished the rivalry had more civility and less hatred. They
seemed to blame it mostly on fans. Max Hall showed his true colors with his
classless remarks. I am all the more disappointed because I am a BYU grad and
What do we expect? Football receives an incredibly disproportionate amount of
our society's attention. These guys are conditioned to think this stuff is a
matter of life and death, honor and courage. Poor guy will remember his comments
for the rest of his life. (As he should if he has any amount of self-respect.)
Max Hall has shown us what classless is.
I hate Max Hall, but I kind of like that he said it. Today sports are too
friendly, Kobe and LeBron hug each other after every game. What happened to the
days of rivals actually hating each other? I am for this. . . Go Utes
...have said that, but he's right. Rivalries in and outside of Utah have become
ugly, which is no fun. Society as a whole, for that matter, has
become mean and abusive, and it should stop.
What's with the athletes in the final minutes of the career. Max Hall's
comments make about as much sense as Zidane headbutting Marco Materazzi in the
last few seconds of the 2006 World Cup Final. Max may feel OK about his
comments today, but ask him what he thinks in 20 years. Really dumb!!!
Max Hall after those comments is just as bad as the Ute fans he is talking
about. Many people have said it. There are a few that ruin it for the rest so
get over it Max. Get over it Ute fans. Get over it BYU fans. It's a game!
I attended both universities and I know whereof I speak. MAX IS ABSOLUTELY
CORRECT. However, I wish he hadn't said it. It just fuels the fire and
encourages a lot of IMMATURE, UNHEALTHY people in their behavior. Max has had to put up with a lot and he had just had years of frustration with
these people. It just all came out. I don't blame him for feeling that way.
MANY Ute fans are classless and tacky. It's a sad fact and anyone who is honest
will admit it.
The classless in a group will always standout - Always. Utes have a growing
number of classless in the stands. That group prides themselves on the different
lifestyle and feel the need to advertise it whenever possible. I just don't see
how the LDS Utes can be LDS Utes, but I didn't grow up here. I would be so mad
that half of my fan base is there because they want to be a part of something
that isn't associated with the Mormons. I would be fine with that but they want
to put it in your face in certain settings - including college football
games.Max - you went overboard, but having a year to listen to that and
remember the way your family was treated at RES, it came out last night and it's
fine by me.
First, congrats to the Cougars for being the better team last night. Second,
when I was a twelve year old kid, my family and I were sitting behind the goal
posts when Yorgensen kicked the 55 yarder to win in Provo. That led to a torrent
of Cougar fans showering us with their soda and awful language. I remember
feeling a good amount of hate for a number of years toward the faithful blue
because of that instance. Several years later, after transferring to BYU
following my freshman year at Utah, I realized that the incident involved the
vocal minority, and that the majority of BYU fans are great people. The acts by
the vocal minority Utah fans from a year ago (and every year) were
reprehensible, and such fans should be banned from ever participating.
Nevertheless, Hall's words are missplaced and uncalled for, as were my feelings
of hate when I was a kid. To make a blanket statement that all Utah fans are the
same - when the majority, like Cougar fans, are great people (and fellow Utahns)
- is irresponsible and immature. He sounds like a 12 year old.
Some of you are absolutely ridiculous. I was at the game. I was surrounded by
Utah fans. SURROUNDED. The whole game everyone was completely civil, treated
with respect, and after the game heard MANY people go to the Utah fans to wish
the "good game". BYU fans by the 99.999% showed total class the entire
game. Yes, Max Hall went to far in his comments without question, but do not
forget two things:1 - He's saying this because Utah fans went WAY
WAY too far in their post game antics last year.2 - Paul Kruger said
almost the identical thing last year before the game, when GameDay covered the
"Holy War". If Ute fans say Hall has no class, then you apply the same to Paul
Kruger, right?To everyone who wishes the game was more civil on both
sides, good game. Good game Utes. Your D was stellar. BYU just had a bit more
in the end. See you next year.
"I can't stand them." Or, "I don't like them in the deepest sense". This is
really what he meant and should have said instead. My family had a saying
whenever we used the word hate...'hate is a very strong word to say'. It is too bad as being classless is not merited because of other classless
acts (beer throwing on his family). Yes, both not very classy. Maybe both fanbases should grow up from this and take the message and realize
it has gone too far! If not great soundbits like these will continue in the
future and we will all have something to fuel our own selfish fires.
GREAT comments Max! I will be a fan of yours forever, beacuse someone (you)
finally had the courage to stand up and call out the truth about the yewts!!!!
Max should of keep his feeling to himself, because he represents the School.
However, the concessions at the Ute's home lead to " beer showers" and
profanities not only shouted at the team but the Church. I love the " Holier
than Thou" comments, those idiots do not realize how many good LDS student
athletics are on the Utes. So, much of this stuff is personal and emotional and
just feeds the hatred.
Max will never make it in the NFL his career is over but it was a nice win and
good luck to Utah and BYU in the upcoming years as they face a true championship
team Boise State.
I, too, hate Utah fans and everything about them!
Hey Harmon,Where is your take? I thought you were a columnist, not
a reporter. Where is the condemnation of these comments from you? Meh, I
wouldn't expect anything less from you than to keep silent on this.
Both teams make visceral comments like these; one hopes that his/her team has
the players/coaches that will stay a notch above that level.If Max felt
the need to make such strong comments, I would like to have seen him make them
prior to the game. It takes more of a man to make a statement when the
conclusion is still in doubt rather than to stand over the defeated with
clenched fist. As physical as this game was, it would have been brutal had he
made those remarks building up to the game.
are utes fans and as friends they are great but as ute fans they are exactly
what Max explained. I wouldn't have said it, but I do agree with Max.
While hatred is a stong word and coming on the heals of a close victory, it
makes the win a little less polished, even more than what it already was.
However I have to say I hated this week, I hated this game and I hate so called
Deseret Duel. I hate the rivalry because it brings out the worst in people, not
all people, but still if you look at these message boards you can realize that
fans do hide behind screen names while throwing hatred vile at the other team.
It happens on both sides. Max said what he felt, and he did so after that game
so not to fuel the Utes during the game. Was it classless? Yes. Is it something
I a BYU fan want to hear from a QB, no. But I also hate most Ute fans, because
the arrogance of them. I have a friend who is a Ute fan and we can talk football
not trash to each other. That's the way it should be.
You just embarrassed your whole football organization, your school, and your
church. And you did it all after a celebration of BYU's national championship, a
tough win, and a great season. I'm a Y fan, but Max just lost my vote. Way to go
Utah for having a great game and managing to show good character. I'm ashamed to
call myself a Y fan if my team is going to act like a bunch of whining babies
after a good game.
We all know which Utah fans Max was speaking of. They represent the Utes don't
they? Personal fouls on the field hurt, don't they? Those few represent the
team.If the shoe fits, wear it!
I love the fire and emotion. BYU wins. I was very disappointed in his game
performance, but he regained my loyalty after the press conference. He is a
proud man and felt justified in quieting all his vicious critics. Utes are
mainly upset because Maxie got the personal last laugh. Bring it on next year.
...that these words will be remembered longer than his BYU winning and passing
records. Max missed a great opportunity to handle a big win with grace and go
out with respect. Unfortunate.
Max apologize? for What?
Oh Lew, you know you weren't going to root for him anyway.
Hall just showed the nation what a low class hypocrite he is. However, I won't
project the lack of class that he portrayed to the other BYU players of its
fans. What a sad little man.
I've stood up for Hall when I've heard people make disparaging remarks about
him. I've stood up for Bronco when people call him arrogant. And I've stood up
for BYU when people talk about the attitude of both players and students.Never again.Max Hall's remarks typify everything I've heard
said. This is an attitude that is bread among the students and players and among
the coaching staff. I ignored all of the signs until now. Now it's out there and
I can't deny it any more. BYU really does have less class.What poor
sportsmanship and a poor reflection on the school, the team, and sadly some in
my faith.I'm glad Max is done. Congrats on the win, and congrats on
losing a fan. This is really disappointing.
I'm sorry - Max won, Max is a senior; he deserves his time. Way to go!
Did I throw beer on you? Did I spit on you? Am I classless?It must
be true, since I am a Ute fan. It's called prejudice, Max, and it is
what turns a heated but friendly rivalry into one that is fueled by hate. Way to
Whether you're a Ute fan or a BYU fan (and I am a Cougar fan), Hall's comments
were tasteless, rude, and inexcusable. High emotions, past offenses, whatever
are never an excuse for poor and classless behavior. There is such a thing as
taking the higher road-congratulate your team and the opposing one on a job well
done and move on. Unfortunately for Hall, I fear that these comments are what
people will remember him by, not how he played the game. With these comments,
he has little room to call the U "classless."
Take a lesson Max from your teammate Jan Jorgensen who chased Bryan Johnson down
the tunnel in 2007 so that he could tell him "great game". That's what it's all
about. Yes, the Utah fans (and BYU for that matter) can we jerks but we all know
that Kyle, his coaches, the university have class- even if they are our hated
rival. A classless organization doesn't BUST THE BCS 2 times in recent years.
Max is not the face of BYU football...
Way to go Max, just stating facts, even if they had a little spice to them. As
the old adage goes: "If the shoe fits (UTES)...Say what you want about Max this
and Max that, If my wife had beer dumped on her, and was verbally abused by
classless Ute-fans both at the game, and for months afterwards thru insulting
text messages and a never ending barrage of insults thru the media and comments
as we read here and for the last year, I would have said the same things! A
31-7 record, with 2 out of 3 against the UTES aint bad at all!
Good for Max Hall. I'm glad he stood up and said what most of us already think.
All the Ute fans are just mad because the truth hurts.
But remember, Jonny Harline is STILL open!
Yet further evidence that sports does not build character but does reveal it.
No one will read this blog probably. That is ok.As a fan I am happy this game
has come and gone. We all have disappointments. We all wish that we hadn't said
something or done something. The reporters asked the question and Hall's mistake
was being honest in front of a microphone.My respect for Coach W of Utah
went up as I watched him talk to one of his players about causing an
unsportsmanlike flag.The timeing was bad for Hall. Now the Utah bloggers
wiil have a field day and forget that both teams played hard and no matter which
team won, they would have been lucky to do so.I make this my last ever
blog on a meaningless site.
Great job coaches! on both teams! loved the game this year! I root for both
teams every year except when they play each other, I am a BYU fan then. I
attended both Universitys. But my family had the same problem as did Max's, the
language, behavior and yes we too had beer thrown on us! We no longer attend
their games, but it is because of a minority of UTE fans that we dont! Max
I'm sorry but that was wrong to lump them all together. Maybe next time you will
choose your words better, have'nt we all wished we had from time to time?
On finding a way to win in a hard fought, close contest with your rival. You
didn't play your best game, but played well enough to get the victory. I mean
this as a compliment; I know it wasn't easy.However, as a BYU
alumnus, returned missionary, and active LDS church member, I am disappointed in
your post-game comments. I hope most people recognize that you were speaking
for yourself, and not your team, school, and church.The tone of this
rivalry is going in the wrong direction. While any number of fans from both
schools will use your comments to worsen the animosity between the Utes and
Cougars, I hope your words prompt a larger number of us to re-evaluate the
significance, or lack thereof, of this rivalry, and behave better in the
future.Good luck to both teams in your bowl games.
Poor little Max Hall. Did he cry as well? Can someone give him a hug, a glass
of milk and a warm cookie, his special blanket, and then tuck him into a nice
long nap. Who knew he was so fragile.
I used to HATE ALL Ute fans... But I now know some so I only hate All, but a
You tell them Dr. Speck. Speak out now while someone might listen because
tomorrow no one will care.
All the comments are stupid! He said he said they did you did. Really who cares!
Everyone needs to grow up!
# 1 - UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED IN SOMEONE'S SHOES and know what makes up who he is,
you have no right to judge that person - NONE! We will all face the judgment
seat some day and that "discussion" will be with a much greater power than you
or I.#2 - People are always clamoring to know what the athlete
REALLY feels. Well, Hall just told you. Looks to me like you are damned if you
do, damned if you don't.#3 - After all the hatred spewed from up
North FOR YEARS - by non-LDS (which is understandable) and particularly LDS
members alike, No doubt Yew fans will play the "holier than thou" card again.
What a bunch of hypocrites.#4 - What does it really matter what Hall
thinks? I am sure Yewt fans are gong to be losing sleep over this for years.
At least Hall was honest and told it the way he sees it.#5 - For
what it is worth, I know there are a lot of good people at the U so I DO NOT
hate the University of Utah. I do, however, hate the typical U of U football
This is just one mans opinion, I use to be an usher at the U many years ago and
I never had one time there that I wasn't disgusted by a lot of U fans. Since
then I have been to the stadium to watch a Y and U game and never left with out
being hit by some thing and not only once each game. I now this happens every
where but to me seeing fans as a worker and observer, most of the U fans and
just about all the Wyoming fans are the worst I have ever seen. I have yeld at Y
fans for being rude and bad fans. I wish to take care of my side. I wished that
would happen at the U. Many snowballs have been thrown not only at other fans
but at players as well. Max was being nice when he said classless. I love the
rivelry but I have had a few friends and family that I would put in the U
classless catagory. Max said what a lot of people feel. I wished that we all
could be classy and it would make it a better game.
An example of what is wrong about this rivalry. It is about hate, about
religious bigotry, about everything rotten in human beings. Much of what Max
said is true only it applies to fans of both schools. It is a shame we cannot
just enjoy sports.The behavior of players on the field and fans and
players off of the field is what is truly pathetic.
You can hate the fans and the players but I felt that hating the program went a
little far. We all do and say things we wish we had not later. I'm just glad
that mine wasn't broadcast via the media! I have been a Max Hall fan but now it
only has to do with his athletic ability now. Being a fan of his charachter just
got flushed. Be a better sport in the future Max and let go of the hate. Hate
will only drag you down in life and will damn you in the next.
Memo to Ute Fans: Admit it. You hate BYU, and we hate you all too. Someone said
it on camera? OH NO! Can't take it? Your team came out taunting, punching and
now you are whining. Classless is exactly right.
Max plays right into the Ute fans by his comments. I am embarrassed by his
comments. I expect BYU to come down on Max, and would not be surprised if he
does not play in the bowl game as a result. The team and the church are more
important than an individual spouting off.
Frankly, I'm embarrassed by all the Y fans who are embarrassed by Hall's
comments. You people need to grow a spine. Hall's comments were calm and
collected, and not the result of a raving mad emotional outburst. He has an
opinion about Utah, and he has a right to hold (and express) that opinion. Beer
throwing on his family was just one example he cited, the list goes on.There are some bad BYU fans, yes. But for individuals with an iota of
objectivity, the scales are not equal. The ranks of these fans are far higher
and more repugnant at Utah than at BYU. Period. Congrats on the win
Cougs, and thanks for keeping it real Max.
Maybe what we should do is to cool down just a little bit here. There are two
sides to this story. A year ago, Max Hall's wife was abused while at RES (beer
thrown on here, verbally assaulted, etc.). What husband wouldn't be angry and
want to say exactly what Max Hall said. He was right but probably still
shouldn't have said it. I know of many, many incidents where BYU fans have been
abused by Utah fans and probably some vice versa. Let's see if both
universities can enforce some good behavior so that no one feels threatened at a
game--that should be the focus here--make it safe to go to a game at either
stadium, don't reprimand someone for saying what any normal person would say in
a similar situation. Of course he was angry, look at all the personal fouls
Utah got (6)--that says alot about their poor sportsmanship. I recall the 2005
BYU-Utah game, during the warmups before tge game the Ute fans were throwing
punches at the BYU players as they came out onto the field to warm up. Wow!
Hall was spot on.
This is just a littany of BYU players and Utah players who have made stupid
immature comments over the years. Yes, it was stupid, but get over it and move
on. In my 50 years of following Utah and BYU football I have heard similar
comments by Utah athletes. I have vulgar heard epithets thrown at BYU, even in
our own stadium by Utah fans also.Too bad this is what Utah fans
will remember him for.
Big deal. You almost lost a game to a freshman with 2.5 games
experience...Did you feel scared until that last throw?
Put yourself in his shoes. If that would have happened to your wife and mother,
you might be making the same comments. I know I would.
to take action on Max Hall's comments.I expect that he will be
benched/suspended for the bowl game. And, public apology from him is not
enough and will not be accepted.
An enjoyable game that could have gone either way. I was truly disappointed
with the comments from BYU's quarterback. After four years at a great
university you would think he would have learned something more than he
apparently has. In the whole scheme of things, this game doesn't amount to much
but it's to bad that Hall will be remembered more for what he said about another
fine university than his accomplishments on the field."Grow up Max, the
real world is just around the corner."
Your all a bunch of complainers. From the nazimormons who think there is no room
for emotion to the cry babies up north. It was great football game,could have
went either way, leave it at that.
First of all, Max did not say that he was speaking for the University, Church,
or even any of his team mates. He used the singular "I". I really doubt there
is a single one of us that have not used the word "hate" to describe our general
feelings about something...in fact I would bet that many of you who are on your
high horse over this have used the very same words to describe your feelings
towards your rival. Just because Max Hall does it on TV everybody gets their
shorts in a wad over it? Relax everyone...and he that is without sin let him
throw the first stone. Why do so many (both BYU and Utah fans) have to turn
this into a church thing? IT IS A FOOTBALL GAME!!! GO COUGS!!!
What Max said was unfortunate--generally sweeping generalizations like that are
off the mark. I'm glad BYU won, but I wish thoughts like this would stay unsaid
to stop fueling the bitter animosity in an otherwise great rivalry. Good job to
the Utes for a hard-fought game.
Max pulled off a miracle as a sophomore QB and now he's pulle off another one.
He deserves to tell the truth about U and, since he's an outgoing senior, he can
finally express what most of the rest of us feel.
He said it the way a 24 year old means what his says about his rival. "We are
going to 'kill' them - or "we will tear their heads off" they are not going to
die or lose their heads - it's said in the heat of the battle - If
we didn't "hate" each other it wouldn't mean that much?I don't hate
TCU - which is why when we play them every second of the game isn't life
altering. It's what makes this game great - we "hate" each other. Tonight Ute fans hate BYU and Max - not because of what he said but because
your stomachs hurt, and you can't sleep - you are the big losers. You "hate" us
- admit it - you do. That is what makes this fun - we "love" this game, we look
forward to it, wait in the cold for tickets and then go horse cheering against
each other - The "Love/Hate" relationship. Life is fun because I get
to "Hate" U. Now it is even better because I know how much you must really
"hate" meAnd "self righteous" BYU fans- relax on all the apologies
you sound lame.
As a BYU fan I'm amazed at the careless rant. In the future, keep your mouth
shut. It's one thing to walk away from a game with class and quite another
trash talking the other team. It only makes the whole BYU team appear arrogant
and self centered. I'm just flabbergasted that this was said after an awesome
Way to go Hall. Couldn't have said it better! I echo it, every true cougar fan
WHO is classless, Max?As will be apparent to both BYU and Utah fans
alike, this comment says far more about Max Hall than it does about the
University of Utah (or even BYU). As a life-long BYU fan, I say
'congratulations' Max Hall, for winning a game that no one but you will remember
in a year, and for saying I'm-still-in-3rd-grade things that everyone
(especially the Ute fans) may potentially remember for much longer. How grateful all cougar alumni must be to have someone represent our
university and fuel so well the (equally ignorant) stereotype of BYU's arrogance
and ego. After rooting for your team all my life, I honestly wish the Utes
would have spanked you. That's what you do with little boys, you know?DONE with BYU football,Jacob Hess, Salt Lake City, Utah
I love BYU - the school and all that it does and accomplishes. But I must
apologize to the U fans, players and coaches for Max's terrible behavior. I
compare my feelings towards him now to those I had towards Carlos Boozer this
summer - an embarassment to my team and I want him gone. There are good and bad
people on both sides of this rivalry. It shouldn't be called "Holy War" since
1/2 of Ute players are mormon, 1/3 are returned missionaries, many of the
coaches are (and came from Y), as are many of their alum, including friends and
family members of mine. I bleed blue, my dad was cosmo, but I hope Hall is
reprimanded by MWC and that Riley Nelson starts the bowl game. We're a religious school - significantly hindered by the honor code in
recruiting. We shouldn't have nat'l championship expectations - we should hope
to have a winning season and compete for conf. championship. The rest should
focus on being a great university and arm for the church.
I'm a BYU fan, and a Max Hall fan. But his statement about the U and its
program was classless.I expect an apology in the near future, when
his bruises and aches have a chance to heal a little.He's too classy
a guy to go out on such a classless note.
Hall won't be in the NFL for long, if at all
As a member of the LDS church, this whole thing saddens me. I am
sorry that there were Utah fans that threw beer on Max's family while at RES,
but I believe Elder Wirthlin also attended that game, as did many other people
who would never dream of doing such a thing.I personally have heard
hateful things said to me because I am a Utah fan and a member of the church,
and it is usually at church that these comments are made. I won't
be sorry to see Max Hall go. And yes, this rant will be his legacy.
Seriously, where were all you Ute fans prior to 2004? I never saw any Ute
apparel and you couldn't even sell out your stadium when playing the best teams
on your schedule. Now, all of the sudden, all LDS haters and rebels jump on
their bandwagon and disparage BYU as badly and as classlessly as Hall did Utah
every day. Hall simply did it on camera. I can't say that I like Max much and
I didn't like his comments. But let's be reasonable, those who are really
offended by his comments are only offended because they hit to close to home
with them. Otherwise, they would be written off as rantings from an average
player. Go Riley Nelson!
He will have about as much success in the NFL, as John Beck, Ty Detmer, and
Robbie Bosco...Good luck Max....you have tooted your last horn........
I am not a sports fan of either school. However, Mr. Hall does represent a
university that should be above the intense hate I felt through the TV when I
heard his words. It is a black mark for the LDS church I love so much,which
teaches tolerance and good sportsmanship. The negative rises from both schools.
I understand rivalry, but not hate. Mr. Hall should remember the good program
and school he represents. He really messed this one up!
Hall redeemed his legacy with his arm, then threw it away again with his mouth.
No Max, apparently you, not the U, are classless.
Yes Max Hall owes an apology for what he said, but before you get too high and
mighty and all full of sanctimony look back on your own behaviour. If you are
holding somone else to a higher standard than you are willing to live than you
might owe some apologies too. Max has been the constant target of mean spirited
comments for years from many of you. I hope the Utes and Cougs both make good
showings in their bowl games. I see too many comments on both sides of this
thing that are an embarrasment to the people of Utah and the MWC. The pony tail
yankers of this world get far too much attention.
While Max was out of line in the crass generalizations, there is truth in what
he said only towards certain unclassy Ute and Cougar fans.Some Ute
fans in the stands around me were rude and beligerant. Others were well
behaved. One group of fans were taunting the Cougar fans for reactions. I was
proud that no Cougar fans would respond during the game until the last play when
they all turned and let them know that the Cougars had the last thing to say on
the field.Max has received vitriolic criticism over the past year
and felt this was his way for revenge. Like it or not, he said it. Only he can
feel apologetic or not now.
Before you Ute fans get all crazy over the very guy you've been razzing for a
year ( I think it's funny for all the stuff you said about Max the past year,
you're acting surprised he said this), someday interview Morgan Scalley and see
if he can remember his quote his senior year. He was in tears when he described
how much he hated BYU.
I find it interesting how offended some of the Ute fans are of Max's Comments.
Having read these comments for a long time I think a few classesless ute fans
think they have the right to say anything that comes to their mind. The can be
extremely rude and vicious in their comment about the church, BYU , BYU
Football.To those of you have made hateful, hurtfull comments about BYU over the
years. Maybe it time you shut up and did a litle soul searching. You are probaly
the ones yelling the loudest about MAx's comments. This would be a good time for
everyone to calm down and stop all of the vitrol on both sides.
The difference between BYU jerks and Utah jerks is the alcohol intake. Utah
security completely looks the other way when guys are drinking out of flasks
while waiting in line to get into the game.
I've said things in the heat of the moment that I regretted later. I wonder if
those castigating Max hall can say the same thing?
I hope the national press gets this story...Tim Tebow brother Hall is not!I saw the punch that was thrown at Jacobson...the Utah player should not
have done it and was appropriately called by the officials. I also saw three
BYU players in his face in an attempt to elicit such a reaction. They were
successful. I guess this was pay back for the personal foul Hall drew last year
for going after Krugar.
The big bad media is to blame....right. It's called personal responsibility,
take responsibility for your actions (or words). I'll bet many families of
players on both sides have been mistreated but I haven't heard them go off like
Max did. I don't think the media will have a problem covering an apology made by
Typical Max. Plays a mediocre game but mouths off. Listen I for one have
played the game on the college level and know that emotions get the best of you.
He will e thinking differently today and will probably regret the words he
spoke. The Utes are great club and so are the Cougars. This is what makes
rivalry a great game. Hall should really think about his comments though and
keep them in. Yes, fans get out of hand and yes Ute fans are obnoxious but so
are cougar fans. Lets just have the rivalry and continue with great games like
the past five years.
Wow, thank you to Max Hall for disproving a long-held belief. Apparently, sticks
and stones may break my bones and names really do hurt me.Fascinating. Does it really matter what Max Hall thinks about the U?I guess so.
As a Ute fan, as much as I don't like BYU, both sides (players and fans) need to
maintain control of themselves. It is a gosh dang game! Its sad that
sportsmanship and play on the field has been relegated to un-sportsman like
comments by Hall. College football has forced teams to disrespect their
opponents and run up the score to show their dominance and quest for a BCS
berth. So sad, now days no one cares about sportsmanship "lets get to a BCS
game by running up the score!"
Sad that this is how Hall's career will be remembered. Cougar fans can only
hope he doesn't get suspended for your bowl game for his classless post game
Frankly, I’m repulsed by his comments and the negative attention that he
is bringing to the University and indirectly to the Church. Max Hall sounds so
much like Sarah Palin when he talks about BYU’s true fan base that did not
criticize him. Perhaps he has a future with the Republican Party. I
hope Riley Nielsen starts in the bowl game.
I hope that someone sits down with him and helps him understand his emotions and
their repercussions. I feel confident that will happen.I wish I had
hope that that would happen to more than just him.
What a stain Hall's mouth put on a much-needed victory.But reprimand him?
Na. His career is over already -- one more game, then it's off to some mundane
job for him. He has been mediocre, if not poor in all his big games in college,
and that rules out anything in the pros. (Well, maybe Arena football . . .)
Max hit the nail on the head. There were numerous yewt fans that did horrible
things to BYU players as they left the field last year. I just hope those
things didn't happen to the yewt players when the Cougar fans stormed the field.
He expressed my feelings for the yewt fans. Nice job, Max!!!
There are class-less fans on both sides. My church (LDS) and my Savior teach me
self discipline. Why is it that players for the "Lord's school" are always
making hateful comments. You would expect this from mindless fans on both
sides. When was the last time a Utah player said something like this? Maybe
this lack of moral discipline is why the cougars will never win a BCS bowl and
continue to struggle at the Vegas Bowl.Robert Petersen, North Ogden (Real
Stupid things can be said in the heat of the moment. I encourage my fellow Ute
fans to let it go. We had chances to win and didn't do it. I actually think
our offensive play calling and penalties were at fault. I was proud that they
came back from 14 down in the 4th. As for Max, congratulate him,
forgive him for his comments and get ready for next year.
I have season tickets to both byu and utah games. I have cheered for both teams
all my life. So what what Hall has said makes me is very troublesome to me. The
classless fans from both sides of the ball is very troublesome. If both programs
do well it makes both look even better. But the way people act and what they say
can sure turn one off. If we want to be seen thoughtout the nation as being a
power. we need to be united because we need each other.
Maybe both schools and the Utah media need to dial it back a notch. The Other
Paper was running a story about anti-Mormonism at the U prior to the game. What
does that have to do with football? I'm sorry Max had to be quite to all
encompassing in his alleged hatred for all things U of U, and I think if
pressed, he would concede it was a bit over the top. I understand the anger at
Ute fans throwing beer and abuse at his family, and that deserves his contempt.
But as a Cougar fan, and alumnus, I think Utah nearly won that game, and if they
had, I would have said they deserved it for their comeback. I think the BYU
defense was awesome, and I credit Hall for that OT touchdown pass.
As a BYU fan Max Hall never convinced me he was that great, and this rant
confirms it. Good ridance, hope he can handle himself in the real world outside
Hall should be reprimanded. I know a lot of people who are great Utah fans, and
I also know some classless BYU fans. There are in both places, sadly.
The MWC should fine minimum hall and byu for all of the BCS bowl money they
received from UTAH WINS! Let's see how much they really hate UTAH.
Hall is right!!
I am a fan of Utah and BYU when not playing each other and I am a fan of great
football when they play each other. Every school have their share of dirt bag
fans, but to categorize an entire school, organization, players, coaches, fans
and alumni as classless is over the top!! Max, its fine to hold animosity to
those that victimized your family, but stop it there!! You will have a long and
miserable career at the next level (if you make it) if you don't learn how to
handle your less than stellar games, your negative fan base, the media that can
eat you alive or be your best friend and your own ego. Your comments cut deep
to the core for those of us that support both teams and love great football. Do
the right thing and apologize for your remarks. It could be your best play of
the day and certainly one the media will show on the highlight films.
I think there are classless fans on both sides. . . the difference being that
BYU fans condemn the classless behavior. Utah fans, while they may not actually
participate in the swearing, gesturing, beer dumping, etc. the
“good” fans say and do nothing. They’re cowards. They either
secretly support screaming vulgarities at little kids or they’re too
cowardly to try and stop it. Classless, cowardly, and churlish are apt
descriptions of Utah fans. If I have any fault for Max Hall it is that he was
too reserved in his description of Utah fans.
I was a U student in the 90s, I am a huge Y fan. I think everybody knows who Max
was talking about. It's the classless Ute fans, he generalized in the heat of
the moment. If your a "classy" fan then move on and get over it. If your
"classless" then Max got you twice tonight.
Isn't it about time you did something about the boorish behavior of University
of Utah fans? Consider Amanda Dickson's comments following last year's game at
Rice Eccles - your own fans no longer feel safe in your stadium. Max Hall's
comments may sting a bit, but he had the courage to address a problem that you
or Coach Whittingham should have aggressively curbed long ago.
Good for you, Max!!! Utah fans do lack class. Their fanbase has taken the whole
rivalry to a bitter, ugly level. Why get on Max for stating the truth? I know
several BYU fans who experienced the same exact thing at RES the last few years
that Max's family did. As for tonight's game, Max didn't have a great game,
statwise, but the only stat that matters to me is that Max is 2-1 against the
Seriously, can you really argue with Max? The only class Utah has is when their
students are actually attending one. Noted Utah Amanda Dixon said:"“I saw a lot of those idiots on Saturday night, it just ruined the
experience for me . I had a lot to be proud of on the field. And I as a graduate
of that university I had a lot to be ashamed of for what I saw in the stands.
People would walk by in a BYU shirt, and the things that were yelled at them
disgraced me, it was horrible. Women and children, KIDS, 8-year-old kids, say
they were in a BYU shirt–the things that were said to those kids. (sigh)
I’m still not calmed down about it yet…But what happened in the
stands (sigh) it makes me wonder if I will ever go to a game (Grant cuts to
If Bronco has any class at all he will bench Hall for his post game remarks and
go with Riley Nelson for the Bowl Game. Eveyone knows that Riley is a more
talented athlete and better QB than Hall could ever dream of being.
It's true. We are classless. We are rude, annoying and Everything else. Good
call Max. You kicked our butts and we are the losers. The truth stings but it
needed to be said.- Die hard Utah Fanps go Utes!!! Yay!
BYU loses even when they win.
I'm not happy about it, but it's impossible to argue that Max wasn't right on
target. Not so long ago, Whittingham earned Sports Illustrated's Turkey of the
Year for running up the score on Wyoming and then acting like he was proud of
it. Wasn't it Amanda of the Grant & Amanda show that publicly stated she was
ashamed of how Utah fans treated BYU fans at a recent game? The fact is, Utah
fans can attend a game at BYU and feel perfectly safe. On the other hand, BYU
fans at Rice Eccles are likely to be subjected to verbal, and even physical,
Max Halls comments are not unusual. He also did not attack followers of the LDS
faith. He stated what he felt after a very emotional victory. His performance
was mediocre yet handled his business when it counted. The rivalry is amazing.
It fuels heated debates all across the state!! But don't think for a second that
Max Hall made personal attacks on anyones religious belief, unless you
religiously follow the U.. than there really is no help for you!!!
Max Hall's comments were dumb. Utah has TWO BCS wins under its belt and two top
5 finishes in the past 5 years. Listening to ESPN game day every week you know
Utah has a great national reputation now ... something BYU is still looking for.
Until you break into the BCS club you are not considered a big time program so
Max needs to tone down the ranting and come back to earth. What does Max know
about the university ? Why slam the school just because your family was treated
poorly by fans? Really really dumb. The U is a great school with an outstanding
medical school and the Y is also having a great business and law school. Both
schools are great but both have some fans that are less than stellar. No excuse
to throw beer and act like low lifes. No excuse to punch the opposing schools
son after the game (Y fans). Both really classless. Max knows the U has reached
the top of the BCS mountain so Im sure there is some Ute ENVY in his dumb
I can at least respect Max Hall for being honest, he was asked a question and
answered it how he really felt. I do not agree with Max Hall that all the Utah
fans are hostile, but the truth of the matter is, good Utah fans are letting
these things happen at home games. I bet if a Utah fan would have stood up for
Max's wife, and put a stop to the abuse he would not be saying these things this
year. I think there are BYU fans that could do the same. All in all, maybe we
should just let Max Hall be Max Hall and take a look in the mirror and see if we
can't help fix the situation ourselves.
come on people, Hall reacting to something in the moment and vented some pent up
frustration ... happens all the time in sports. Hall will wish he had kept his
cool and his mouth shut ... tomarrow ... but how many athletes act the same way
in the heat of the moment especially after getting embarased last year? Utah has
a GREAT program and after two BSC wins Utah has nothing to prove to anyone. BYU
on the other hand hasn't reached the BCS level yet so I suspect there is a bit
on Ute envy and pay back in this win.
I am an avid Cougar fan whom has made the mistake, on a couple of occasions, to
attend the Y vs. U football game in SLC. I have never beeen so mistreated,
anywhere, at anytime, in my entire life, while trying to cheer on my team. I've
been hit with hard tac candy, flung by those behind me, while a Ute usher stood
by and laughed at the whole incident, almost encouraging the prepetrators on.Max Hall only shared how those who have been mistreated feel. I've
stopped with only one story, but believe you me, there are many others.Max may have threw another log on the fire with his comments, but we know
where he stands, and I stand, along with numerous others, alongside him 100%.Rise and shout.
I am so proud of our team tonight but so disappointed in Max for these postgame
comments. Maybe I expect too much but I expect more from our Cougar
players, especially a fifth year senior who is a leader on this team. My three
young boys literally know no other BYU QB except Max. They've closely followed
his career & even argue over who gets to be Max Hall when they play football. I
know we shouldn't set sports heros as people our kids should look up to. I
thought Max was different. I guess not.
Thanks Hall. We get a great win and all you do is rant about your hatred. You diminish the win by bringing all this negative attention to yourself
and the focus becomes Hall's comments instead of BYU's win. What do
you think will be played over and over again on ESPN?
Max Hall seems like a little boy who never learned to play in the sandbox
peacefully. I am astonished that any quarterback at BYU would have such little
self control and let his mouth run to a news media. I bet he's really
embarrassed right now.
Hypocrites. Many posters hold Hall to a higher standard than they hold
themselves. Hall has taken alot of verbal abuse these past 3 years from fans
and non fans. I can't blame him for breaking down and saying things about Utah.
How many of us posters do the same thing here in these very posts? Where is the forgiveness and restraint that many posters have thrown at Hall
even when he led the team to 10 wins? Has anyone here ever had a down day?
Said anything you regretted later? I am glad Hall was the QB these
past 3 years. The Cougars have had worse QB's in the past and will likely have
worse ones in years to come. As a Cougar fan, I am spoiled with 10+ wins each
year. I like to cheer for a winning team. Go Hall, I hope you are
as successful in your future as you were as a QB at BYU. Thanks for coming to
play. It has been fun watching. Go Cougars.
Wow! Just read the article and am so disappointed with his comments. We should
always take the high road no matter what. It's a symbol of dignity, Max. We're
Cougars. Graduated in 2003 and have lived in So. Cal ever since. I wish Max
could see what an embarrassment his comments are to the school and to the
alumni. We're better than that. You never see those kinds of comments from
USC-Notre Dame or USC-UCLA. I'm very embarrassed for my alma mater right now.
Hope he gets reprimanded and hope he finds peace in this life, preferably far
away from BYU.
the fact is byu is going to the vegas bowl again and is gonna lose to usc and
utah is gonna win their nation leading 9th straight bowl game oh and that streak
include 2 bcs bowls in case you didn't know how many bcs bowls has byu been to
oh yeah 0!!
I don't support Max Hall's comments but I laugh at all the outrage by the Ute
fans. Utah fans really are the worst around and trying to excuse their behavior
by saying 99% of their fans are good is a joke. Max should have been the better
man and kept his mouth shut but he, and many BYU fans are tired of Utah fans and
their boorish behavior and for him, enough was enough. Max will apologize in the
end but while what he said was not politically correct, it was more true than
not and I think deep down most Utah fans know it. I think that is what bothers
most Utah fans; not that Max spoke up but that he told the truth. Oh, they will
feign outrage and rant and rave about Max Hall's comments but most won't deny
their accuracy.I like the stoic, strong and silent approach over the
way Max handled himself but Utah really needs take a long hard look in the
mirror and start to clean up their act from the coaching staff and players to
the fans in the stands. Even Wyoming fans are more civilized!
i understand that byu does not like utah and vice versa however halls comments
are out of line that is not what i leader of a team should be saying first of
all as posted above beer is not sold in rice eccles and is not allowed in so i'm
pretty sure thats not true about his family and second when you think of a
perfect leader of a team who do you think of i personally think of tim tebow has
tim tebow ever talked down an opponent like that no he does his work on the
football field and guess what hes on the verge of winning the heisman again and
winning the national championship again
One question for all you Ute fans: wouldn't you be praising Brian Johnson or
Alex Smith if he said he hated everything that BYU is about? I'm 100% sure you
would. And you would say the same things max said if your family got treated the
way his did at Rice-Eccles Stadium.
It's funny that the ute fans all start complaining about Hall being "unclassy".
True, it wasn't a good idea to spout off like that, but I don't blame the guy.
I'd be trying to knock someone's head off if they poured beer on my family. I've
been to some Utah games, and as a cougar fan...it's dangerous. The spitting, the
beer, the verbal abuse. It's a rivalry people...expect it. And this came after
the deseret news had an article about Utah's coach starting this rivalry because
he voiced his hatred of BYU. After last year's win for Utah...I wouldn't call
what they did classy either. Don't make things seem so one sided.
"Max didn't earn any bragging rights. Wynn played a better game than him."--------------------------------How exactly do you figure? Was I
the only one watching Wynn throw a dozen long balls downfield to Utah's wide
open receivers who never connected to any of them because Wynn overthrew every
single one?To Iris Ridenour:Yeah, cheering for James Blount
and being a part of a fan-base making all those nasty comments against Boise St.
is MUCH better than what's going on here. LOL.And to anyone who
believes that Utah players don't make stupid comments about hating BYU is naive.
Just last week on AM700 during one of the after-game interviews, a Utah player
was talking about how much he really hated BYU, and the radio announcer even
agreed by responding, "Yeah, we all do." Get over yourself Utes and quit
pointing the finger. Though Max's comments may have been inappropriate,
everyone needs to realize they've been fueled by Ute fans for over a year
now.And that Ute fan who thinks BYU is hated because of arrogance.
Wow, you really need a mirror. Most Ute fans are 10x worse!
Okay, should max have said all that he did about the U? Should he have
categorized them all into one group? No! But if people who represented an
institution poured beer on your wife and family-think how you might react! He
was wrong to say what he did, but you can understand why he said it in the heat
of the moment. Max is a good guy. Be assured, he will apologize. Let's all
just calm down and let max calm down and think about the last time we said
something that we shouln't have about someone when we were mistreated by them.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....
And something else, I generally follow players from the state schools when they
go on to the NFL, hoping for their sucess, regardless of school. Since Max Hall
hates me, I'll make a big exception for him.
Unbelievable that BYU fans are defending these comments. For the record, Rice
Eccles is a dry stadium. Beer isn't sold in the stadium, containers are
confiscated at the gates, and if you do happen to sneak some in you are caught
you are thrown out of the game, so how does that make the University of Utah
organization classless? Second, Utah fans in Lavell Edwards have had pizza
boxes and diet cokes thrown at them and poured on them two, so it goes both
ways. Even tonight as the fans rushed the field I watched a BYU fan shove a
Utah player in the back, and another walk down the tunnel screaming at them.
The majority of Utah and BYU fans are respectful, and recognize that a certain
percentage of any population is made up of idiots, so there are idiot fans of
both schools. But can you really tell me you are proud of your team captain
making those comments? Shame on you Max for condemning so many innocents, and
Coach Mendenhall, you ought to discipline your players better than that.
I could care less that Max Hall said what he did. The feeling is mutual BYU won
which sucks but I'm not gonna pretend that I'm above saying I hate BYU, its fans
and University. Were just gonna have to deal with it until next year.
Most BYU fans that I know do not make the trip up to the U when the game is
plated at RES because they are seriously scared for their safety. I had a
family member who was slammed into a wall last year walking out of the restroom,
and what was his crime!? Wearing a BYU sweatshirt. I'm sure that there are a
lot of classy Utah fans and I have many relatives who fall under that category,
but someone really needs to address those who are over the top classless. They
really are out of control, and I don't blame max for bringing attention to the
subject, someone needs to if it is ever going to be fixed...
Great...We lose the game now my bff max tells me he hates me - I though we were
friends braaah - after helping us get to the Sugar Bowl and all *newsflash* they
don't sell beer at Rice-Eccles
As a Utah fan, let me first say congratulations to Max Hall, the Cougars, and
their fans for a great win. Wasn't the best quality football we have seen out
of the rivalry in recent years, but a win is a win. Congrats to BYU.As for fans on either side, show some class and dignity. As a Utah fan, I'm
embarrased when our fans do stupid things, but to classify ALL Ute fans as
classless beer tossers and then use the word "hate" in his speech is stupid.
Cougar fans who are defending him on this thread ought to be ashamed of their
ridiculous behavior.There is no amount of bad behavior on either
side that justifies more stupid statements or bad behavior. The
year Harline caught the pass in the north end zone (very near my season ticket
seats), I was taunted repeatedly by 4 obnoxious BYU fans in our own stadium). I
walked away. They had no class.Max Hall and BYU fans, don't lecture
all Ute fans about class and sportsmanship when you condone the irresponsible
things Max Hall said today after the game.
I couldn't have said it better myself!!!
When I read the posts here about Halls comments after the game HYPOCRITE comes
to mind the most. Posters here could practice a little of the restraint and
excercise some of the forgiveness they are so willing to preach to all. Where is
all the brotherly love? With the tirades I have read on these
posts all year about Hall and if I were him I would likely have boldly expressed
my honest opinion as well as most posters consistently do. Hall needed to remind
fans and non fans that until you are the QB you really have no room to
criticize. Hall, I have cheered for you and rooted for you for the
past 3 years. You will always be one of the great BQ's in BYU history. Go Cougars
He's talking to you | 11:00 p.m. Nov. 28, 2009Yep all you Ute fans who
hide behind the screen names that slam him.He's laughing at you
now.Way to go Max. Forget all the political correctness.Let
football be football.----------Why would he be laughing
at us? What did the senior with the most MWC wins do?Did the senior
lead the team to a national title game? No!?! Okay, he lead BYU to
a coveted BCS game?No? What about a MWC title? Share of the
title?Slaughtered us at home like TCU did? No?***scratching head***Oh I know he outplayed our freshman QB?No!??!
(You even got a middle initial... how's that for 'ya Max) It's nice to see that
stereotyping still exists. I'm glad to see that there were photos of good Utah
fans (and yes, there are some bad) posted on a facebook group dedicated to your
comments (pics of President Monson, President Hinkley, and Elder Wirthlin to
name a few). We are not all monsters. Thank you for vilifying us... I choose to
think those comments were not thought through. If they were, may you learn to
think a little harder before you speak... the tongue truly is a two-edged
sword.Robert Q Nielson,Los Angeles, CA
is the lack of class most (not all) BYU fans have in their response to these
comments. You all really think you're that good and righteous and yet you are ok
with these remarks? Is this the "honor" Coach Mendenhall so frequently talks
about?There is next to zero self examination on the part of BYU
fans. I was verbally threatened and taunted at LES today, with my wife and 8
year old son. It is likely the same people on here now bashing on Utah fans,
saying they have no class. And yeah, there are some Utah fans that get out of
hand, but you BYU fans continue to think you're perfect. You should be
embarrassed by Hall's comments and the fact that a young family was verbally
abused in your stadium today.
Over the last few days I read comments of people complaining about tasteless U
behavior. U fans told everyone to get over it, that it was just part of the
rivalry.Well, where are you now? Aren't Hall's comments just part
of the rivalry?
As a Ute fan I hate to say it but Max Hall and the rest of his team earned the
right to make those comments because they won. Of course those comments will
just serve as motivation for payback next year and it makes us not want to root
for him in their bowl game or in the pros if he makes it, but he can say what he
wants because the scoreboard backs it up. As for the beer being
poured on Max Hall's family, it is possible that it happened. Although they
don't sell beer at Rice Eccles Stadium, I know that some fans do smuggle it in.
I have seen people drinking beer in the MUSS section and in the men's room I
have seen empty beer cans being left on the toilet seats. I don't condone the
practice of smuggling in beer to the games by any means, I'm just saying it
happens. It would be hard to blame Max Hall for not liking Utah fans if the
reports of throwing beer on his family are true.
Memo to the media:You stick a recording device, in front of a
college football player, after a poor performance, in a very emotional game, an
then report on his frustrated rant.What exactly was the point of
doing that?To embarrass him, his team, his university?Your thoughts?Memo to Coach Mendenhall:Since the media
has decided it is fair game to "catch your players" making foolish comments,
restrict reporters from interviewing your players, at least until they have had
24 hours to decompress.Memo to Max:Ask Coach Mendenhall
to allow you to talk to the media to apologize, for your remarks, after the
game, as well as your remarks captured on television, while the game was in
progress. If the media refuses your request, then they own the problem. It takes a man to admit a mistake.I know, we all know, you
are that man.
Let the Ute whining begin | 10:58 p.m. Nov. 28, 2009Ready, set, cry
about it.-------lolWhy didn't he say how he
feel before the game? He's been outplayed and outclassed by a freshman.
I think if Hall had said these things the night of the game last year, that
would have been understandable. I mean, an embarrassing 6 turnover game and a
personal attack on your family. But to say those things after a year, when you
can't back up your talk by playing them next year, that's kinda classless. I
mean, he's had a year to get over it and forgive, but he obviously hasn't.
Those words were pointed and had pre-meditated intent. I am a BYU fan myself and
am a little embarrassed.
I think someone needs a hug or that the firesides are not working. I guess football is #1 for Max after all.
I'm echoing what some have said, and that is I'm embarrassed that Hall said what
he did, because BYU is seen as the face of the church, and he just perpetuated
the feeling lots people have of us, and that is the "I'm better than you because
I'm mormon" attitude. I now have to deal with this on a professional level at
work, and at school(SLCC student). I wasn't particulary interested in the
outcome of the game, I could care less at this point with many other things
weighing on my mind, but the comments made by Hall are despicable.
people on either side are the Utah fans that do not say or do anything to the
number of Utah fans (most or hardly any depending on who you ask), who attack
religion, sacred rites, and physically and verbally abuse BYU fans over religion
during a stupid football game. These people are condoning the horrible actions
of the few (or many) who give your fan base a bad name. And that is the real
embarrassment for LDS members, the University of Utah, and should be for their
I'd like to apologize to all the decent Ute fans and decent people in the Ute
organization and the U of U that don't deserve Max Hall's comments. I believe
there are some Utes that deserve those comments, but still... Max Hall was wrong
to say what he did, and he should not have said it. As difficult as it may be,
BYU players and staff need to resist this type of speech that would be uttered
by a "natural man". Max Hall failed to do that this time. I think
he might admit this failure... in a few weeks. For now, please try to consider
his personal context.
This is a serious hit to the win. Now no one cares about the win all they care
about is what max hall said about the Utah organization. Did you know Utah was
founded by Brigham Young? Brigham Young would be so proud of max. Not!
Utah fans pretending to be upset BYU fans makes me laugh.
"Bronco, Suspend Mad Max! | 11:52 p.m"There we Go. Ute fans faking
to be Cougar Alum, trying to get Max out of the bowl game.The way I
see it. If you have no problem with Max telling his truthful
opinion, he's fine.If you are offended, and are a saintly as you
think, forgive him, he's fine.The guy gave his opinion. he has that
right. No, he does, and who are you to tell him he can't.So, lay off
the guy, and either agree, or be the bigger one, and let it go.
Both sides (athletes and fans) need a major upgrade in sportsmanship. It's
getting silly. Funny that Bronco and now Max have made public statements
complaining about some of us BYU fans. I see what they mean both at games and on
these forums. Although I don't know why they'd ever read these forums (not sure
why I do either).Though I recognize many BYU fans are in glass
houses, I will slightly agree with Max and cast a stone of my own. I feel like a
large number, maybe even the majority of U fans take it to another level of
needing some lessons in sportsmanship and civility. I have plenty of classy U
fan friends, but overall I feel like U fans are a bit over the top.I
just want the rivalry to go back to the 80's when the U wasn't really a threat.
'04 and '08 were some killer seasons for them. Congrats on those...now please go
back to the good old days. Just go back to being bad. We'll take CSU or SDSU as
a top tier replacement.
I am reading a lot of comments talking about how BYU has to endure religious
slurs from all of the terrible UofU fans.... did it occur to anyone that maybe
the majority of UofU students are of the same faith as BYU students? I support
BYU until the week of this game, but I feel that Max Hall's comments were just
as out-of-line as the terrible things he claims to have endured. A few has-been
beer guzzlers getting a little out of hand at a game does not represent the
other thousands of fans...
Who cares? BYU won and all Ute fans care about are Hall's comments. Isn't this
about a football game and not about one players comments after the game? So he
said something he should not have said. So what? This is a young KID that was
emotional about playing his final college football game at his home stadium
against his biggest rival. Emotions were high. I am sure he will regret this in
the morning. Not to mention that every player out there on both sides probably
thinks the same things that Hall does. Big deal. Let's bring this back to the
Hey, they asked the questions. Max just answered them. Whatta ya gonna do?
Tonight was a great, hard-fought game, and kudos should go to both sides. But I
do wish Max Hall hadn't made the comments he did ... though he was right. There
is no reason for fans to throw beer on family or players, and it happens often
... OFTEN! There are no reasons for Ute fans to go up into the BYU sections
looking for a fight, with vulgar profanity and gestures, especially when there
are kids and families present. This is classless, but where are the U officials
who should deep their fans under better control, when it is so obvious that they
are out of control. BYU fans and players report being spit on, and thrown beer
on, verbally and physically assaulted at RES ... that is wrong! But the major
culprits are the administrators and stadium officials who allow this kind of
ugliness to continue. Officials from both universities would make sure this kind
of action does not go on, for it is classless, and throws a dark shadow upon an
entire institution that would allow this unsportsmanlike conduct to be repeated
time and time again.
haha its a game everyone and yes both teams are classless in a way and alot of
the fans on both sides are too!!! i dont like byu but would i throw remarks at
them like that no, and i would hope a true byu fan would do the same. its a
rivalry that i grew up in and i want my kids to grow up in. if a nineteen year
old kid can see that and older adults cant then get lives everyone. its fun and
competative on the feild and off. so lets just leave it at that. congrats byu
coming from a strong ute fan. but watch out next year!!!! GO UTES
HAHAHAHAHAHAH A duck fan because of what?? What a classless bunch team and
I am sorry to hear about what happened to your family Max, however, I don't
think means you should stereotype an entire fan base and university. I know some
very classy Ute fans and think that Utah is a great university. Both teams
played a great game tonight and it would have been better if your comments had
not tainted it. One more thing Max, that's my real name.
I don't see why Max has to go and say things like that especially after winnning
a game. I was at the BYU Utah game at BYU 2 years ago and as the Utah team was
taking the field BYU fans were splashing their waters and sodas at the Utah
players. Yeah Max your family might have gotten drinks thrown at them by some
Utah fans, but your fans do the same. I'm sure some Utah players hate BYU as
much as max hates Utah, but i don't see any of them going to the media and
saying how much they hate the BYU program, University, fans and players. It's
Poor little Ute fans, they got their feelings hurt, boo hoo!Play a
little better next time and this won't be an issue.
Hall's comments were definitely inappropriate. He should be reprimanded and
should issue a public apology. At the same time the U should take a serious look
at what other schools are doing with security in stadiums now. Bad language,
excessive drinking etc. are now dealt with promptly and firmly. Why can't the U
take control of RES?
Max Hall has won two out of three contests with the Utes, which few recent BYU
Quarterbacks can claim. I guess he didn't appreciate his family having beer
thrown on them last year. Would you? So a BYU quarterback hates Utah. Is this
new? Verbal criticizm is hardly as classless as throwing beer on a players
mother and wife. But Utes will see it the other way around.
Poor Max will have to take it for a long time, which will had fuel to the fire
next year in Salt Lake. Its unfortunate that Hall made the comments, but what
he said has some meaning. I stopped going to any game played in Salt Lake. If
you wear Cougar blue, or cheer for your team, you are subjected to jeers and
foul language. It's the Utes trademark and its unfortunate that so many
negative things occur. A win over a rival does not make one superior to anyone!
I hate them too. They are classless. And if they cry for what you said,
for letting it all hang out and telling it like it isto the classy,
respectful, Utah fans, you know Max isn't talking about youbut, to
the classless, beer throwing, cussing, BYU-haters, it was great to see Max get
the last laugh
Well, Max lacks perspective. He doesn't understand he is part of something
bigger...that's all. Maybe he'll learn to take the high road later in life.
This is an immature person with no perspective who decided to taunt and gloat
his opponent under the guise of righteous indignation. As a BYU grad and fan I
am, of course, embarassed. But don't we love the drama, the controversy of the
"reality show" in sports and everywhere else (I think I'll go read Sarah Palin's
"Going Rogue" for more of it).
Arrogance is reading the article about this game and see how many Utah fans
argue the point they won tonight.You also posted fans from other
schools don't like us. Dude, did they ask you to wpeak on their behalf.Max said what HE said, didn't hide under screen name NIT, didn't blame the
hate on others, he said "I hate Utah".He hates Utah.Now
in theis world of political correctness, they want everyone to get warm fuzzies,
to share the trophy, but in reality, I'm guessing he hates Utah, and is just
thankful to never have to deal with their classless fans.Personally,
I agree with every word he said. Most Utah fans are classless, and I hate them.
I can stay home from the game. Max had to go through that every year. so, Austin Collie is wrong because he spoke of God, Max is wrong because he
tells the truth, and all these Utah fans that show up, swearing, wanting to
fight are the "victims" every year.Geeze, get some therapy and get
over it. It's football. There's no whining in football.
He never said they threw beer on him during the game. Have you seen what goes on
outside of a game? There is lots of beer there my friend.
Lots of pub on Tim Tebow today. Could Max Hall be more opposite? I am an LDS
Ute, who wants BYU to do well. Obviously BYU is not preparing young Christian
leaders like so many of there fans claim it is. Any person who posts on this
board and applauds Max Hall's comments needs to ask forgiveness. You all could
learn from a non-LDS Christian in Tim Tebow.
Gee, thanks Max. I hope you feel better now.
Although Max Hall's comments were likely too strong, there's truth to what he
says. I attended last year's game at Rice Eccles Stadium and had fans
intentionally shoving into me, middle fingers raised at me most of the game, and
obscentities yelled in the direction of myself and my father. Perhaps the
greatest irony is that, yes, I'm a BYU grad and season ticket holder, but I'm
also a University of Utah faculty member (School of Medicine, tenure track
assistant professor). I was ashamed to be associated with those fans. In
contrast, a Utah fan sat behind us today in the middle of the BYU season ticket
holder section. I didn't see one middle finger raised, one obscenity shouted,
despite his vocal support of his team. People can say what they will about
actions on both sides, but what I have witnssed toward opposing fans at Utah and
at BYU represent a stark difference. I wish I had more sway at the U to change
the tenor. I had actually contacted President Young after my experience last
year, but was disappointed not to have received the courtesy of a response.
comments continue on this blog. Those defending Max Hall's actions are
classless and ignorant.Did every University of Utah fan dump beer
onto Max's family? Of course not! Does the University of Utah sell
beer? Of course not!Do all University of Utah fans treat Cougar
fans and specifically Max Hall and his family poorly? Of course not!IS BYU any different? My son and I were treated poorly today at the game,
however, I know that the majority of BYU fans are good fans that have class. I
also know as a 25+ year Utah season ticket holder that the majority of Utah fans
are also good fans that have class.Shame on all the fans that are
supportive of Max's classless comments. Shame on anyone who believes all Utah
Ute fans are classless.In the 150+ home games that I've attended at
Utah I have never seen anyone with beer. It is a truly ignorant fan who
believes such foolishness.FYI, the Prophet graduated and taught at
the University of Utah. Oh, the last Prophet graduated from the University of
Utah as well.
That was an intense and great game! As a U fan, during that game I do say I
"hate" BYU, but I never truly mean it. I have great respect for the sport and
the fun the rivalry brings. For Max Hall to not only bring down the team
(which I see as part of the rivalry, just fine) he chose to bring down the
entire institution. That is so sad and upsetting. While he is not the rest of
his team, the rest of his team will be assoicated with him as "classless" by
some - undeserved. A Utah fan should not have poured beer on his family, that
too is rude and classless and has obviously generalized our entire school in his
eyes. I believe both schools have amazing people at them. In fact,
some of my best friends go to the Y, but I do NOT approve of this comment by one
person, who in no way represents my friends and the classy BYU school itself.
This rivalry is still supposed to be fun at the end of the day, and
taking out Max Hall's comments I believe it still was a good, fun rivalry!
did a great job and came out with a win. There is always so much hype to this
rivalry I imagine players on both sides were overly pumped up, but it was fun to
watch. WAY TO GO COUGARS!! A GREAT way to end the regular season!
I can sympathize with max for being upset with what happened to his family last
year, but two wrongs don't make a right. He should have bit his tongue and
been the bigger person. It's sad that his comments will be remembered more
than his accomplishments. .
Dear Max,I want you to know my name. I have derided and praised you
throughout your career. I did BOTH this week. I commented that BYU fans should
appreciate all that you have done to bring success to the BYU football program
and that I was glad this was your final season. I'm sorry that there were some
Utah fans who's actions were completely uncalled for and reprehensible towards
your family. But I want you to think about how one person or a group does not
represent a University. Tonight you brought ugly and reprehensible towards a fan
base, a team and an institution that did not deserve it. I'm talking about BYU.
There were alot of BYU players that went all out today and came up with an OT
victory only to have you and your selfish actions mar their celebration! The
same can be said of the fabulous fans that I know and appreciate that love BYU
football. Look how you tainted them and their celebration. What do you think
will be the talk @ work on Monday? What about the University and your Coaches?
Did Coach Mendenhall deserve that after all his support?
Before you judge Max and call him classless, maybe you should think about what
this guy has had to put up with. I imagine it's not easy being in his position
and out there for everyone to criticize every week. Which, if any of us wouldn't
at least want to say the same things were we in his position?
I'm sure Max Hall may very well have very strong feelings against Utah, but his
comments to the press were pretty tactless. There are bad BYU fans and there
are bad Utah fans. Most of us are just there to enjoy the game and cheer for
our teams. Yes, I would be frustrated too, if I were Hall and some Utah fans
poured alcohol on my family, but don't make matters worse by flying off the
handle like that. Great game, cougars defense! I don't think the offense or
Hall had much to do with tonight's victory. I will say this, though...I
appreciate honesty, and Max Hall was just being deliberately honest. Tactless
to do so publicly, but honest nonetheless.
Ute fan mocks the LDS church and belittles BYU all year and instead of being
outraged and denouncing the attack on Halls family, or the classless behavior of
Whittingham against Wyoming yells foul because Max calls it as it is. Who's
crying Now? 3 out of 4, and a whole lot more.
Can I dump a cup of something on you just cuz I was "a roudy fan". Im not
justifying hall's words, but no one should have beer poured on them. Especially
the wife of a QB
Hahaha! He kills me! Major therapy needed for Mr.hall! What a loser!he needs to
remember it's not all about him... He forgot it was a team sport! He is a true
disgrace to his team!
I am active LDS and a RM and so glad I am a Ute. Stevenson Sylvester (not LDS)
in a loss gives credit to the winning team and their QB. Max Hall - BYU Coug
through and through, required religion classes and all, belittles an entire
school, football progam and group of people in a win. I'll take the loss and
the better people every day of the week.
Let the fans do the talking and you do the playing....there are stupid fans on
both sides...Max just showed us all what a stupid player he is!!! He also showed
us the definition of classless!! Good job Max.
Max you embarrassed your school, church, your team, and your fans! I am so
embarrassed to be a BYU fan! You stole our victory! You should be so ashamed! I
hope you are not allowed to play in a bowl game, you are a utter disgrace! What
do Ute fans call us... Zoobies... Thanks for proving their point! You are so
Cry Utes Cry!! Remind us how good you have been. Whine that Max told you the
truth. That is why it hurts so bad, it is the TRUTH!!! If you are such
fantastic Ute fans how come there were 10,000 empty seats at your final home
game??? I spoke to a bunch of Ute fans at the game tonight and they were all
great folks. Everyone of them. Real Ute fans are rare, but there are plenty of
Cougar haters. Cry and make excuses for the next year, keep talking about the
Sugar bowl to make you feel better. Go Cougars!!!
I had lost all respect for maxie based upon his play during the game. But I
give him an atta-boy for his rant. That is real emotion, however misguided, but
it coming from a college quarterback that has taken the heat for an entire year
from a large portion of UTES. I would be curious to know how many utes have
actually never laughed about max hall over the past year. Answer: none. why is
his statment such a shocker? Because he call everyone of you out and challenged
your manhood? Lets think...what have you been laughing about for the past year.
I guess he has the last laugh, even if it was for only a few minutes.
Hate: to loathe, detest, despise, dislike, abhor, execrate; be repelled by, be
unable to bear/stand, find intolerable, recoil from, shrink from; formal
abominate. ANTONYMS love.I'd be surprised if Max Hall truly believes
the words he spoke in an emotional moment.I sat as a U of U fan in
the midst of BYU fans tonight and they were great! I’ve also sat as a BYU
fan in the midst of Utah fans and they were great! I’ve been on
recruiting visits and met with both head coaches and coaching staffs and
they’re great! I can attest that “hate” is NOT what is
coached or taught by either University or their coaching staffs. Both coaching
staffs use words like honor, character and respect to describe their vision for
their players and their University.Fans or players of BYU or UofU
who’s outward actions demonstrate "hate" toward another, should NOT be
considered accurate, worthy leaders or representatives of their respective
organizations. Is “Hate” what any of us want our children learning
or remembering from these rivalry contests? Congratulations BYU on your victory
tonight! Good luck next UofU. Deon StecklingBountiful, Utah
The only thing worse than hating a Ute is hating yourself. Stop acting like he
just denounced Christianity. Stop being shocked. It shows you are not honest
with yourselves.You're shocked BYU and Utah don't like each other?
Really?What shocks me is that the coaches on BOTH sides are able to
keep enough restraints on everyone so that they all don't say it every chance
they get. ITS A RIVALRY! Of course they hate each other. And so do us fans.
Have any of you actually read these posts?Oh, keep in mind. If
Austin Collie isn't allowed to mix church and football when he says miracles
happen, then you all, my hypocritical friends, are not allowed to mix Max's
religion with his football for him either. Church has no place in
football, right? Isn't that what you all said in 07?It's one or the
other, you can't hate them both.
Bronco needs to bench Max at the very least for the first half of the bowl game.
Take a stand now, Bronco, comments like this will never be tolerated about
another university and the people affiliated with it.
outstanding comments Max. you summed up everything there is to say about the
team up north. you were outstanding when you had to be and that is what counts.
you are the MAN!!! thanks for a great 3 years and hopefully a win in your bowl
game. You are a legend! you surpassed Ty Detmer's record of wins as a cougar.
that is awesome.
Well said, Max. The classless Utes and their fans have been trying to kick sand
in your face for three years now. Now that you just knocked the bully over, you
have every right to say a few words.And to you BYU fans saying you
lost all respect for Max, please take a hike. This is an emotional game and you
don't need to be a polite meek boy scout to be a winner. This game is about guts
and determination and Max made the play to win the game.
It's regretable, Max, that you couldn't keep your feelings about Utah to
yourself and let your play do the talking. You've simply descended to the same
level as those classless Utes you say you hate. Not all Utes and Ute fans
deserve to be tarred by the same brush.A word to the wise, Max:
never wrestle with a pig in the mud. You get dirty and the pig, true to his
nature, enjoys it.
What I see here is that the truth stings! Clean it up Utah. Just clean it up
and then you will be respected as class. Until then, You Go Max! Way to
There is a lot of reporting in the news lately about football causing brain
damage in players. It appears that football fans are not immune. It's just a
game. If only fans could transfer some of that energy and concern to more
important things in life.
Who really cares what Max Hall said? It was the heat of the moment and he got
carried away. Does that justify it, no. But it is what most all of the fans are
thinking and he finally said it. I don't lose any respect for him, but rather
laugh at the fans that have to find another way to hate him. Give it up, enough
already. You may not like the guy, but he finds a way to win. He beat you, move
on and accept it and prepare for next year.
if you look closely at most of the comments, the spelling is horrible, which
either means its only 8 year olds commenting, or people with very low IQs.Just sayingMax is free to say what he wants, smart or not, its not
that big of a deal. Should he have said it? probably not. Is it true? most of
it, but not all of it. Some Ute fans are very nice, some BYU fans are not. Who
really cares? It's college football!!! Just get of his back people, leave him
alone. Especially you "BYU" so called "fans", why don't you go join the Utes if
your going to keep complaining?
I have tried beer and I would not want it to be thrown on me or my family. Just
because YOU would want it sprayed on you does not mean everyone else would want
it sprayed on them.
Oh forget it! Utah will win their bowl game and BYU will lose their's.
If you dump beer on my family, I'd probably feel the same.
Max earned bragging rights!!! This is a team sport not an individual sport.
Max is a champion and we love him. Are you just jealous????????
Max you're a great player and a great guy. I'm a true blue cougar fan for life,
but i'm a little disappointed in these comments. To rise above classless
actions, you must be the bigger man and show class. I know many great U fans.
Even ones that have said good things about you Max! Joseph B. Wirthlin was a big
Ute fan and you know he wouldn't have wished anything bad upon you or your
family. I feel bad that your poor family had beer thrown on them. That's so
wrong, but move on bud. The past is over with. I'm proud of your
accomplishments. Let bygones be bygones and move forward. Hatred is never a good
thing. Great win Cougs! Go win your bowl game, but do it with class and respect
for your opponent. Call me old fashioned, but that's how I think sports should
It's a pity Max Hall had to follow up his less-than-stellar effort in this game
by tarnishing it with these much-less-than sportsmanlike comments.Apparently Max reads these comment boards, so here's some advice for him from
an embarrassed BYU fan: APOLOGIZE. SHOW SOME CLASS. STOP ACTING LIKE THE SAME
JERKS YOU'RE CRITICIZING.Sure, there are trolls and idiots in the
stands at the U. Guess what? They're at BYU, too! But look at it this way, Max:
SOMEBODY HAS TO BE THE GROWN-UP AND THE EXAMPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP. Apparently, it's not you. Well, thanks anyway for all the memories, Max. If
you're playing in the bowl game, I won't be making the trip.
at Rice Eccles Stadium probably never even happened. With Mr. Hall spouting off
his hatred - who's to believe him?
I ...like a lucky few graduated from both schools. First BYU then Utah. I root
for them both..until the game when I become pure Ute. Perspective is everything
as a fan. When BYU plays Utah they become a whiny, cheap shotting,
unsportsmanlike bunch of hooligans...in my opinion. Just my perspective. Max
Hall will just add to that. Great game though! Anyone remember a few
years when the BYU fan tackled the Ute cheerleader? It was the Ute who
instigated if I remember right:) Max-do the right thing and
Both sides of the rivalry have good fans and a few despicable fans. Hall's
comments put him in the same "class" as the despicable few. Such deep hatred is
a personal problem and he should seek therapy. Unfortunate because
it was a hard fought game that could have gone either way and very exciting.
Should have won with grace and dignity especially when he did not play well.
No kl I'm pretty sure he has stopped by now, the game is over
Max Hall is my hero when he is fearless to tell the truth!Is the
truth hurt? Doesn't matter. Truth is truth, get over it!
he got his Ryan Leaf meltdown out of the way in college now every pro scout
knows he buckles under the pressure, he is completely media unsavvy, a horrible
leader, and role model. All I hace heard about all year is he stupid comments
that flow out of the mouths of these BYU players and coaches! Talk about
disappointing! I thought Jorgensen was bad but Hall you sound like a very
shallow, close minded, overprotected, a hypocritical individual! Thanks Max- it
not like mormons haven't been trying to overcome any stereotypes of that sort!!!
Come on dude. Interestingly have lived in some of those same places and been a
fan of some pretty heated rivalries.Truth be told, BYU is hardly
discussed on the national level and its fans not thought of as more arrogant
than Oklahoma fans believe that Texas is. Or Gopher fans feel about the
Badgers. Or Michigan fans feel about "the Ohio State University" fans. It is half truths and innuendos from arrogant people like you that
continue to fuel Ute hatred towards BYU. Utah fans have epitomized arrogance
this past four years since their BCS runs. Other than those two spectacular
years-Utah is nothing but a mid-level mediocre program.
I believe Max Hall cemented his legacy tonight with his lack of self-restraint.
Anybody who thinks that BYU football is a good PR tool for the LDS
church is completely blind or deaf. As a faithful LDS member who happens to be
a fan of both schools because I live in the state (but a bigger fan of my alma
mater, Iowa Hawkeyes), I am embarrassed that the WINNING quarterback makes such
a classless rant about his opponents. And not just the fans, but the 'entire
university and program'. What's more embrassing are the Y fans who
are defending it and justifying his lack of self-control.Do they really
know if Max Hall's family got beer poured on them?? No. I go to Rice Eccles
for a couple of games each year. THEY DON'T SELL BEER THERE! To me, it sounds
like some taunting by the opposing fans suddenly became an embellished story.
And then this rant was nothing more than Max feeling the need to redeem himself
after last year's debacle.I can't believe Y fans are defending these
comments. Anybody objective will call it what it is: classless.
I find it interesting that these comment come after a so-so performance in a win
as a 5th year senior (knowing that you'll never have to play the Utes again).
Interesting how these comments didn't come out after last year's game (when fans
threw beer on his family). Way to be a coward!!!! Had you had made these
comments, with still one more shot at the Utes, you wouldn't have even last a
series of downs...COWARD!!!!
If you really think BYU is more arrogant than USC or UCLA or so many other
schools then you are truly clueless. But you saying that is little diffeent
than what you denounce Hall for saying.