Utah Utes, BYU football: Hall mouths off about hate of Utah


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  • New Breed
    Dec. 5, 2009 11:41 p.m.

    The self righteous (living in their own created reality) comments of BYU supporters who are AGAST at Max Hall is a perfect example of the "Utah Mormon Culture" that I mentioned above. News Flash: You can be staunch LDS and still get angry. Christ drove money changers from the Temple. Utes who sink to the lowest levels of public behavior and direct said behavior at Max, his wife and mother, PLUS the U administration and fans who don't put a STOP to this at games, DESERVE ANGER. If the recipient of said behaviors (Max) goes overboard with "words" (not beer, sexual inuendo, etc.) his words don't come close to the offenses against him (BYU "holiers" "expect more" - Perspective? - its football not sacrament meeting). The prevalent culture is ridiculous in the level of "appearance" (political/Utah correctness) over "substance". Try participating in LDS churches in the east, midwest, south, or anywhere but heavy concentrations of LDS in the west, and "real life" is occuring, rather than a pretense of perfection while hypocrisy (ie, too many unwed births/real problems?) is on-going without the outrage. PS: I know many wise/balanced Utah Mormons -- they don't control the culture.

  • What no PC?
    Dec. 3, 2009 1:27 p.m.

    Everybody hates PC. Remember when you could say anything offensive you wanted and the people that intensly disagreed with you would just chuckle quietly little and let it go?

    Those were the days, you could let some zingers fly back then.

    How dare people criticize what we say on television about others!

  • Max quote
    Dec. 3, 2009 1:23 p.m.

    "Unlike any other football program in the country we represnt not just a college but a faith." Max Hall

  • to Ute Fan
    Dec. 3, 2009 1:09 p.m.

    Thank you for your comments, hopefully we can get some of those disrespectful Cougar fans to do that too.


    --GO COUGS!

  • Ute fan
    Dec. 3, 2009 12:21 p.m.

    I wish all the Ute fans would just grow up. It's getting pretty embarrassing being the only respectful fan at RES.

  • Poor Maximillion
    Dec. 3, 2009 11:51 a.m.

    He really has got himself into it this time. I do feel bad for him but not for BYU leaders. They should have taken a higher road than to remain silent about the issue and leave thier opinons of hate speech unknown.

    They let this get out of hand and Max will have to deal with the consequences. His leaders should have helped him through this better and taken some of the heat as well. They threw Max under the bus as far as I'm concerned.

    BYU has made a serious error in judgement about public affairs. Inside issues can be done privately but when you involve everyone in 2 universities you have to deal with it very publically - something BYU leaders don't like to do.

  • Meaningless but interesting
    Dec. 3, 2009 10:02 a.m.

    I was just looking at the ten most commented articles listed in DN online. Of those ten, seven are about the Max Hall incident and have garnered a total of 2,847 (now 2,848)comments. Two articles are about the BYU-Utah game and have garnered 667 comments.

    If a space alien were to land in Utah and see something like this, I wonder what he/she/it would think? At the very least, it is an interesting sociological phenomenon.

  • BYU, Where Hate Speech is Good
    Dec. 3, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    Max Hall and BYU should be ashamed of these comments. I don't think this is reflective of how Mormons should act.

  • new breed
    Dec. 3, 2009 12:14 a.m.

    I'm from the east,LDS & a 1968 BYU grad.My view is, much of what prompts hate for BYU is a result of Utah/Mormon culture, mis-viewed as "The Church" (check Mormon culture anywhere but the West). Said culture too often is not in sinc with Doctrine (ie, cliques? judge not? love your neighbor? -- I had culture shock in the 60s & its still there). I read many comments in 2008 re: Romney/Mormons from people all over the U.S. who had lived/do live in Utah. They wrote about members' pouncing to recruit them, then ignore/shun them & kids,& act "holier than thou". That said, the increasingly hateful things Ute fans say and do re: BYU and the Church bear no resemblance to any action of BYU's fans, yet UofU leaders & fans do nothing,(like peaceful Muslims you know). So, I agree with Max. If my mother & wife received beer, sexual comments, profanity, threats, blow up dolls, and MORE, I would feel like Max, but hopefully say it better. His remarks were directed only at the current program, fans and Administration who condone this by their inaction and it has long been unacceptable.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2009 4:50 p.m.

    What people are going to remember about this is that some Ute fans are out of control and possibly dangerous and that no one is doing anything about it.

  • 3,396
    Dec. 2, 2009 4:25 p.m.

    3,396 comments now.

    And to the 10:17 comment above, I'm not "whining about whining", I'm merely pointing out that there's a lot of people not even coming close to being objectively fair or respectful of Max Hall.

    Just because one mentions something doesn't mean it's "whining".

    If others continue to try and drag Max Hall down, so be it.

    Just remember, what goes around, comes around. Or to put it another way, what we send out in life always comes back to us.

  • 1000?
    Dec. 2, 2009 4:21 p.m.

    Ya'll think we can get this to 1000 comments before it gets taken off?

    All that over what Hall said?

    I wonder what that implies....

    GO BYU! Let's win ourselves a bowl game!

  • Fairness? What's that?
    Dec. 2, 2009 4:20 p.m.

    If anyone is smacking on Max Hall MORE than those who riduculed / insulted / assaulted / abused he and his family for the ENTIRE year between the 2008 and 2009 games, I'd like to know why.

    Please, by all means, defend your rationale.

    Max Hall made a mistake but does anyone really believe he would have said what he did if he had been treated during the last year with the same level of kindness we all secretly hope for?.....

    Dan Maloy
    Enid, OK

  • Common Sense Calling
    Dec. 2, 2009 10:17 a.m.

    RE: "Only" 3,194 | 12:34 a.m. Dec. 2, 2009

    Whining about other people whining doesn't make you any better. If you want to stop reading about what people think of Max Hall, *drum roll* stop reading the articles. It's a novel idea, but I promise it will work.

  • Truth is
    Dec. 2, 2009 9:34 a.m.

    What Max Hall said will mean nothing for next years game. There is already enouph motivation on both teams to ensure a spirited clash.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2009 8:15 a.m.

    Despite holding themselves out as a visible missionary arm of the Church, some have said that the Max Hall comments are his own and do not reflect on BYU or the Church.

    Fair enough, I believe his comments are not reflective of BYU or the Church.

    But here is the problem, As a representative of BYU Max Hall selfishly used the podium and microphone afforded him in that role to spew his personal hateful comments, embarrassing himself, BYU and fellow church members in the process.

    What will BYU do to ensure that future representatives of their program do not misuse the position as Max Hall did?

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2009 12:52 a.m.

    As a Utah student I agree the fans are classless . Last year my wife and I left early because of how bad it was and I was cheering for the utes.

  • "Only" 3,194
    Dec. 2, 2009 12:34 a.m.

    What's that?

    The total number (so far) of comments either ripping on Max Hall or supporting him from a total of EIGHT separate DesNews stories on the incident:

    - "Hall mouths off about hate of Utah" - 904
    - "Cougars beat Utes in overtime" - 482
    - "Hall reprimanded by MWC" - 402
    - "Max Hall issues apology" - 387
    - "Hall's pain reflects self-betrayal" - 347
    - "Utes won't respond to Hall" - 275
    - "BYU says Hall incident resolved" - 236
    - "2 citations issued at Y.-U. game" - 161

    Sorry dudes/dudettes, but those of you who are bagging on Max Hall are either guilty of being self-righteous, sanctimonious twits who honestly believe you've never made a single mistake in your life or you're Ute fans who are simply blinded in your hate of all things BYU more than you love your own school.

    Bottom line, cut the guy some slack and get on with your life.

  • Helen
    Dec. 1, 2009 10:10 p.m.

    Its ironic that Max Hall's own irresponsible and hateful words are more hurtful to himself and his family than the actions of any drunken Ute fan.

  • Max
    Dec. 1, 2009 8:47 p.m.

    Wrong venue, right message. The MWC is embarrassed by his comments, but not by what prompted them. Pretty narrow view.

  • I'm not casting stones...
    Dec. 1, 2009 8:28 p.m.

    ...because I can think of way too many times when I have said really stupid things that I wish I hadn't said. I don't know Max at all, but I know I'd be beating myself up terribly if I'd gotten carried away in the emotion of the moment in such a public and emotionally charged venue. I hope everyone, especially Max, will be able to put this behind themselves and move on.

  • I am tired
    Dec. 1, 2009 5:18 p.m.

    I have never done or said anything wrong. I am perfect. Obviously Max Hall isn't but how may of you people that complained about his remarks have never done or said anything wrong.

  • BYU, Where Hate Speech is Good
    Dec. 1, 2009 8:39 a.m.

    I am ashamed of his behavior. I hope Coach Bronco makes him sit out in the bowl game. This would show that BYU favors honor and values over football.

  • to hmmm @ 5:47 pm
    Dec. 1, 2009 6:34 a.m.

    If you don't belong to the LDS church it's a bit odd you should feel the need to tell us, "So please stop the BYU should be embarrassed drama." Perhaps some people have higher expectations for their school / church than you do. That's not a bad thing. And Hall is an embarrassment due to his immaturity and pettiness. He's made it "all about me" and it's not. He took the joy of winning and turned it into a whine fest about past wrongs done to his family. That incident should have been taken care of when it happened and not been spewed a year later as a pathetic excuse for loutish behavior by Hall.

    Please hmmm refrain from telling us how we should feel about this incident. We expect more -- much more from our football players on and off the field and I hope that never changes. I do hope the behavior shown by Hall WILL change and such a tirade will not happen again.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 30, 2009 6:33 p.m.

    Max was right on with his comments.

  • Howard
    Nov. 30, 2009 6:23 p.m.

    I've seen idiot fans on both sides. I think hating the other side is hypocritical. A friend of mine (recently passed away) had her tires slashed when visiting friends at the Y because her car had a U of U sticker in the window.

    The Mormon Tabernacle Choir works very hard to give the LDS church some positive PR, but BYU sports seems pretty good at countering that effort. Good work Max. That was very "classy."

  • Eric Moutsos
    Nov. 30, 2009 5:51 p.m.

    Eric Moutsos Said: Can't we all just get along?

  • hmm
    Nov. 30, 2009 5:47 p.m.

    I do not belong to any church my coworker is Catholic - we both agree that the impresion that Hall shamed BYU is silly. If someone spat on my mother they would get more than words in return. My repsect for Hall actually increased.

    So please stop the BYU should be embarrassed drama.

  • RE: Rush the field
    Nov. 30, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    We rushed the field because we were excited to see another awesome win over Utah in the final play. It was an exciting finish. It is also fun to run down onto the field. You are an idiot.

  • Hey Scalley and Kruger
    Nov. 30, 2009 3:53 p.m.

    I heard you say how much you hate BYU on TV last night. As I recall no one from BYU assaulted your wife or mother either. Hmmm...

    Not only are some (not all) people associated with the U classless they are hypocrites as well.

  • RR
    Nov. 30, 2009 3:18 p.m.

    As bad as this is, utes have done some awful things in the past too. However, this is nothing compared to some things that happened in other rivalries this week. This is very mild.
    I hate utah as much as the next BYU fan, but moving from Utah was the best thing I did. I love not being around the rivalry. It turns mature, grown men into wild animals.
    I love going to work and no one knows about this incident!

  • WGAF?
    Nov. 30, 2009 2:59 p.m.

    I hate the UTES too. I'm not proud of it, but I'm also not going to hide it. I hate the UTES and I hope they lose every game. However, I hate their football team - as a football team; an entity. It is not personal and I don't wish anything bad upon them, except on the football field.

    Max is immature and I'm not so sad to see him go even though he has shown, at times, flashes of brilliance on the football field. Unfortunately, he also shows flashes of inexperience and immaturity on and off the field.

  • What has happened to BYU
    Nov. 30, 2009 1:36 p.m.

    I have always been a Ute Fan and have always enjoyed the rivalry between Utah and BYU. It was great watching BYU play football and Basketball when they had good teams. I have been drifting of late in becoming a BYU hater because of people like Max Hall and the BYU Cougars. Not only do they believe that they are the only true church, The believe that they are only the "True Team" in Utah. I wonder if Max Hall hates another wards church basketball team, The bishop and counslers when he loses during church ball. Man up BYU and MAX.

  • BYU Champs
    Nov. 30, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    This game was forever rembered in hall's life. He did his best to defeat utes. BYU is not a sore team. Take the beer incident and compare to hall's comment. Now who's to blame for hall's reaction. Disrespecting his family compare to words. Realize for hall's situation and see how personal it was for him.

  • Alma 38:12
    Nov. 30, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    Use boldness, but not overbearance; and also see that ye bridle all your passions, that ye may be filled with love; see that ye refrain from idleness.

    Just wonder who at BYU has read the Book of Mormon lately...

  • Um
    Nov. 30, 2009 11:44 a.m.

    This story is on ESPN already...finally Hall gets the national recognition he deserves. LOSER.

  • mhh
    Nov. 30, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    Max Hall does not represent all BYU players or fans. Just like I am sure the rude, vulgar UTE fans our family encountered at the 2008 Rivalry Game do not represent the U or most of their fans. Unfortunately, they are the ones that get all of the attention. How about just being good sports? Can't we bask in a good win and give credit where it is due in defeat. I love BYU and will root for them over Utah everytime, but when they are not playing each other I always wish Utah well.

  • If u hate
    Nov. 30, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    Max so much, why all the whining that he hates u too!

  • Sticks
    Nov. 30, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    and stones will break your bones, and the Y will always beat u.

    "Me thinks thee doth protest too much."

    Will S.

  • Here's the bottom line...
    Nov. 30, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    The bottom line is that Max Hall should have kept quiet and followed the example of Bronco and his other BYU leaders. He could have characterized the game as "hard fought" or "intense rivalry" and been done with it. Everyone would have remembered the great win.

    Instead, everyone will replay his interview for the next 20 years just like they replay Wayne Howard's "I hate BYU" interview 20 years later. No one's going to remember the great pass from Hall to George in OT to win the game. Sad Sad Sad

  • Who Cares
    Nov. 30, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Max issued the correct apology. Lets move on.

    BYU beat Utah. BYU is the best team in the state this year. Deal with it Utes. You are second fiddle.

  • Get your act together
    Nov. 30, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    Utah needs to get their act together before something really bad happens at their stadium. What's next... armed guards for players families?

    Classy = Utah?

    It could happen...it's up to them. Next year the proof will be in the pudding.

    The camera's will be rolling and the evidence will undoubtedly end up on YouTube.

  • discovega
    Nov. 30, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    Character counts and Hall showed the world he has none and that the BYU program is truly flawed and more importantly, reflected a contentious spirit (we all know where that’s from)... and this episode reflected poorly on the Church.

    Very disturbing, irreparable harm. This is how BYU’s 2009 season will be remembered.

    Utah…a true class program that is building a dynasty, a program…not just one game.

    Utah Football lives and plays by a true Code of Honor.

    How short sighted the BYU program is.

    Shame on you Mr. Hall. Shame on you.

  • If the shoe fits...
    Nov. 30, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    wear it, Ute fans!!

  • Uncle Reality
    Nov. 30, 2009 9:15 a.m.

    Does anybody care to point out to Max Hall that President Monson and several of the apostles are self-admitted UTE Fans?

  • Go Max!
    Nov. 30, 2009 9:05 a.m.

    Way to speak up and stand up for your family. If Max didn't bring this up, who would have known how classless the Ute fans can be.

  • Truth
    Nov. 30, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    I suppose if I were in Max Hall's shoes and had my wife and mom exposed to the abuse they received while at RES I would probably hate them too.

    It is amazing to me that the acts perpetrated on his family are ignored but his comments about them are treated like a capital offense.

  • Classless
    Nov. 30, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    As a BYU fan and graduate, I say that Max Hall is classless! His apology - sincere as it may seem - does not even help. What I have deduced from his apology is his "premeditated hate"! - He would have been a bigger man, bigger husband, bigger individual, bigger player had he not let his emotions control his reasoning.

  • You guys are funny
    Nov. 30, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    Wow, all the animosity over a stupid game. Makes me glad I'm not a football fan. Judging by the comments I'm guessing my IQ is not low enough to be a football fan.

  • Barbara
    Nov. 30, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    "As I have loved you...."

  • citizen16
    Nov. 30, 2009 5:42 a.m.

    I've been reading a bunch of the comments on here from both sides and I still don't get the outrage. Multiple Utah players have said the exac same
    thing over the years. So what? Where was the call for suspensions and the fake indignity then? On this board lots of Utah fans continue to admit, support and encourage the classless behavior that Max called out, what does that tell you?

    There's a lot more to what Max has had to deal with from Utah fans than just the beer incident. Utah fans have been brutal to him and his family. Everyone on here knows that is a fact. So give him some room to react. I have no problem with his comments. When Utah players made the same comment in the past, I
    disagreed and then ignored them.

    And don't forget...BYU won!!!! Great game. Classic ending. No amount of excuses or whining can change the final score.

  • Remember Scalley
    Nov. 30, 2009 2:18 a.m.

    Just curious in the midst of all this, did Morgan Scalley issue a formal apology his comments about BYU? Did he get any sort of disciplinary action from the coaches? It has been a while, and I dont remember what if anything happened to him.

  • Blake Garside
    Nov. 30, 2009 12:58 a.m.

    Hard to believe Max ends such a prolific career with comments that is not only a poor reflection on himself but the program as well.

    His legacy and statistics will stand by virtue of his performance on the field but unfortunately now it will be tainted with comments of hate that will also be included in that legacy.

    Max, is this really how you wanted to go out ????

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 30, 2009 12:01 a.m.

    The 2009 BYU and Utah football teams are good teams for the Mountain West. But TCU is a excellent team that could compete with anybody, just like 2008 Utah Utes did last year. The BYU 2009 football team are slow, clumsy and loses their composure when thing go bad. BYU was never a great team. Also Max Hall lost his composure again saying the Utes had no class. Max Hall always loss his composure while playing great teams, Not a star quarterback. His status as a quarterback are good playing good teams, not great teams.

  • What would you do?
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:58 p.m.

    I am a life long BYU fan, and of course I was more than happy with a win on Sat. Yes Max's comments were inapportiate, but I must say if someone treated my family with such disrespect I to would not be ashamed to say it. I am willing to bet anyone who's wife, mother, and family were treated like Max's last year would feel the same way and if you say other wise, well I guess thats your problem, Ute fans can say whatever they want but when BYU says something back they'll cry like a bunch babies!!!! Go Max!!! and go Cougars!!!!!

  • Re: Pity MWC and Max Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:27 p.m.


  • Why I Love BYU
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:00 p.m.

    Max Hall is such a great ambassador for the school. NOT!

  • Deserve to Win
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:57 p.m.

    Help me understand why Max Hall said BYU deserved to win yesterday's game? Does he feel a special sense of entitlement?

  • Really?
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:55 p.m.

    I am sure more schools around the country have less respect for BYU than Utah, is this how the LDS church/BYU are teaching their kids how to be a good sport? Maybe this could be the new commercial.. "isnt it about...class?"

  • Y would U go anywhere else
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:53 p.m.

    USU rocks!

  • Impartial
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:43 p.m.

    You Ute fans who bantered Max Hall throughout the past year are now the ones who are so apalled at his strong words. Being the target of hundreds of ignorant comments and criticisms for the past year I'm sure hasn't done anything to endear the Utes and the university to Max. Having his family targeted at RES with no corrective action by the UofU administration or athletic department shows that they apparently condone such actions. For the sake of BYU, Max has apologized, but obviously his "dislike" for everything UofU has festered and is very personal. Too bad the classlessness of a small percentage of Ute fans has brought condemnation of the whole school. Max's comments may have done the same for BYU, but Max has apologized, has the UofU?

  • Shame on You Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:40 p.m.

    You have brought shame to this Great University. Bronco and the University need to act tomorrow.

  • Slim Shady
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:39 p.m.

    As a transplant to Utah, this game shows that both BYU and Utah have too much "little man" in them. A lot of petty stuff with people rooting for both teams when they don't play each other. What is that? Good for the MWC and the state of Utah. Please. Silly is what that is.

    I am beginning to dislike the MWC and both BYU and Utah fans. I graduated from UCLA and USC scored a last second TD over the Bruins last night. I am over it. Maybe those of us from PAC 10 country are a bit more mature. By the way, I never root for other PAC 10 teams, but I might start this bowl season.

  • Pity MWC and Max Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:34 p.m.

    Hate is too strong of a word. Besides Boise State is too good for the MWC as evidenced by their 11-o record against the MWC and their BCS accolades.

  • froder
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:11 p.m.

    What was said was wrong, i am sure utes are not perfect,all your whining will not change the football score, get over your loss and look toward next year.

  • The only good news....
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:58 p.m.

    is that the rest of the country could care less about this game. Most major sports shows barely even covered it. Next to nothing is being covered by the nationals about Max and his comments.

    The news has been filled with great examples of how class organization win or lose. BYU showed they still don't have a program that can win or lose with dignity, and take this little riff with Utah a little too seriously. I can't stand the Notre Dame program, but I have respect for it and its players have handled a very tough year. BYU could take a few lessons from their Catholic friends on what it means to have a storied and respected program.

    Max is a hot head that lets his emotions impact his performance on and off the field. BYU deserves better representation then that. We should all expect more of BYU football, and their fans, if they both intend on standing for something. Otherwise, the Y is just another B rate program wishing they were more.

  • Time Waster
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:57 p.m.

    Every last one of you need to get a life! The fact that anyone is pining on about this is a tribute to all the stupidity that surrounds this event. Find something that is realy worth fighting for!

  • re: Judd | 9:05 p.m. Nov. 29, 20
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:52 p.m.

    You mean judging Max the same way Max judged all of the Utah fans, students, alumni, and administration?

  • deja vu
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:50 p.m.

    Paul Krueger's pick in tonight's NFL game looked a lot like his pick of Max last year.

  • rd
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:37 p.m.

    I'm a huge byu fan but I am sadly disappointed in the way Hall let his anger get the best of him. I have many Utah fans as friends and they are are all wonderful people. I can't show up to work and talk smack because I am embarrassed by what Max said. Max's words hurt the university and leaves a bad taste in the mouth after a very hard, spirited win.
    I'm sure he thinks he had every reason to be upset but his comments will only make the rivaly worse in the wrong (unhealthy) way.

  • J Jensen
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:35 p.m.

    Max's comments answer perhaps some of the "on the field" struggles he had yesterday. Too bad he has allowed the bitter emotions of this rivalry to get this best of him. The heat of the rivalry however doesn't excuse what Utah fans did to his family. I am from California and took my family to RES in 2006. We tried to remain neutral but when people figured out we leaned towards BYU we had very similar experience.

  • I stand in awe !!!!!!!!!
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:29 p.m.

    So I dont hate you guys or anything. Just trying to prove a point. I hope some of what I said got through to you guys. Maybe next article you will be more fair with what you decide to filter.

    Cause the way you handled this Message board and others on here before was pretty pathetic. Agreed ??

  • Deserve it?
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:29 p.m.

    Unlike some, I was not too concerned with the word "hate." And I think Max simply mispoke when he termed the entire university classless. The problematic issue to me is that Max (and those that support his comments) think they "deserve" to beat Utah. Based on what? The implied sense of entitlement and superiority is disturbing. Class is much more aligned with humility than with arrogance.

  • Who wants to cheer this???
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:19 p.m.

    I have always been a Utah, BYU and MWC/former WAC fan (I am a Utah grad and have three kids at BYU) but the public statements in support of Max Hall's comments make it difficult to want to see them succeed. This really is a black mark on the program. It's a shame but I'm sure I represent hundreds or thousands who feel the same way.

  • No excuses.....
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:09 p.m.

    I am disapointed that so many have excused or worse condoned the hateful sentiments of this BYU quarterback. If these were private or heat of the moment comments, which they weren't, they would be bad enough. In this case they were very public, while acting as a representive of the school which in return represents the Church. These comments were expressions of long held and infectious emotions. No one condones the over the top behavior shown his family but that is simply no excuse to abuse this platform.

  • Kyle Wittingham
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:07 p.m.

    I am sure glad I took the U of U job.

    BCS 1 - 0

  • Steve Young
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:05 p.m.


    You are no Jim McMahon. Shame on you Bro

  • Judd
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:05 p.m.

    Have any of you judges of Max Hall walked a mile in his shoes. I thought not. Hundreds of you have cast pretty stern judgemants on Max. Carefull for with that judgement you judge so shall ye be judged. Think back about your comments. Are you guilty of the same thing Max did. Do you think you are less guilty than Max because you said it in private or only around a few peole. All you have to do is read these comments and a great many of you have condemed Max for things you probaly have thought or spoken aloud. If you have then apply your judgements to yourself. I find that I have a lot of room for improvement in this area. Hence forth I will make an effort to grow up, settle down and act more like I should. What about you?

  • Sam Bradford
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:04 p.m.


    At least you got to play the entire season. I don't hate UT and OSU. And even if I did, I wouldn't say it publicly.

    BTW - Have you ever met Will Rogers? Just wondering?

  • Colt McCoy
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:02 p.m.

    Come on Max,

    Just grow up!

  • Mesa Moms for Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:01 p.m.

    Even us Mesa Moms cannot condone want young Max said. At least he didn't attend ASU or U of A. Good luck BYU with this PR nightmare.

  • Re: Boring
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:01 p.m.


  • Can't Wait for Basketball
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:00 p.m.

    I live in SLC and will go to Utah's b-ball games to cheer for whoever plays them.

  • No Appologies
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:57 p.m.

    None necessary from Provo. BYU owns Utah.

  • cougarbloo
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:55 p.m.

    Well, I'm a big BYU fan who thinks Max Hall went too far in his comments. Nothing good has come from them. I agree that there are a lot of classless Ute fans out there, but I'm sure there are just as many classy ones. I'm sure he is already regretting his words. This only made him look bad, and I actually think he's a good person at heart.

    This is when rivalry goes too far. It's just a game.

  • Re: Super Geek
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:54 p.m.

    Not true. All made up by Hall-hate-mongerers

  • I stand in awe !!!!!!!!
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:52 p.m.

    You feel powerful?? LOL hah ha You and your delete button. I noticed someone made a comment about telling 5 people like I am going to do. Was that you stealing my idea ???

  • Re: Scoreboard 8:15
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:51 p.m.

    Kudos. Your comment says it all!!!

  • Utahman
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:49 p.m.

    You can tell from some of the comments on here that BYU has classless fans also. Not just Utah. It was a hard fought battle and BYU came up lucky this year thanks to their defense not Hall.

    I have been to many games at BYU where fans swore at Utah fans and tried to pic fights before and after the game. There are some good Utah fans and good BYU fans and then there are the others that take it too far on both sides. That is too bad.

    In reality both schools have a majority of MORMONs who attend them who dont drink beer. Too bad this story was picked but by the natioanl media giving mormons a bad name.

  • Not just a BYU decision...
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:44 p.m.

    Read the first of the article folks! Harmon pointed out Hall was jeopardizing his status for future games with his unsportsmanlike talk. Harmon knew Hall was on thin ice. Notice he didn't comment further or defend.... Why join Hall on thin ice?

    This isn't just an incident for which BYU potentially penalizes Hall. The Mountain West Conference makes decisions regarding conduct on and off the field and maybe Hall has played his last game.

    His timing for such an outburst hurts himself, BYU, and the LDS church. This has become a story being carried in other areas. News reports state others are looking to see what the "LDS church school" with an honor code will do with such conduct.

    I personally hope BYU has the integrity to handle it before the MWC does it for them.

  • Ute fan from Heber City
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:41 p.m.

    Black eye Max you as a supposedly leader of the team just gave yourself a black eye. I think the game was a great game from two great teams. I have many friends both ute and cougar fans. I love our fun rivalry and when it goes to what you said then the fun is gone, respect is gone, and without question you set a bad example for the rest of the team and fans that support your comments. To bad maturity is not a virtue that you have. Congratulations to the cougars and the utes for a good game.

  • Boring
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:40 p.m.

    (Yawn) This is such a non-story in rivalry sports towns across America. This is embarassing that Hall's comments are becoming a distraction away from a great game.

    This is why this rivalry will never be mentioned among the big school rivalries across the country.

    We Utahn's are a thin skinned group.

  • BCS Rankings
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:40 p.m.

    BCS Scoreboard:

    Utah 2-0

    Boise State 1-0 (and soon to be 2-0)

    BYU 0-0

  • Utah State
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    Utahs only D1 classy team USU.

  • A fan from Idaho
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:32 p.m.

    As a long time BYU fan, Hall should apologize. He did no favors to BYU saying what he said about the entire Utah program. The simple fact is both sides have fans and players that do inappropriate things. What would be WAY different is if either school or program put teeth in their perspective, and took action to correct the behavior, whether it is with the players or the fans.

    However, why is it Bronco does not get in his players face when they pull an unsportsmanlike call. We saw several times when Kyle W. from Utah does, but Bronco just shakes his head, and does not get after his player. Why not?

    I tend to agree that if Bronco wanted to send a message to Hall, his other players, and college football in general, he would suspend him for a portion of time in the bowl game. But, most likely, he will just shake his head and go on, because he gets paid to win the game.

    A true fan expects more than just a head shake when behavior is unacceptable!

  • NevadaUTE
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:29 p.m.

    You really can't blame Max for being jealous. After all, the Utes accomplished in his career what he never could (undefeated season, BCS berth). Definitely a little childish on his part, but I certainly understand his envy....

  • Lumppy
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:26 p.m.

    Iam glad byu won but I'm not happy with max there are somethings you just have to bite your tonuge and keep to yourself the u of u is a great school

  • sopuchan
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:26 p.m.

    Big Deal. Game is over. Move on. It's Football! Take the religion thing out of it. Last time I looked none of us were perfect. Look toward the Bowl Games and let's hope the MWC can dominate. Go Cougs. Go Utes.

  • Scoreboard
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:26 p.m.


    A negative 150!

  • Mike Bateman
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:25 p.m.

    I'm so glad Max Hall is done, can we please get a division-1 athlete to play quarterback, who isn't afraid of a little speed. I hope that Washington Kid is the answer

  • super geek
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:24 p.m.

    is it true coach Witts wife got a fat lip at the game?

  • byu fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:24 p.m.

    i was mortified when i read his comments. they were inappropriate and stupid. he should have acted with grace and class and he chose not to. i hope everyone knows he spoke on his own not for the team and fans.

  • Hall, Collie, George, Harline
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:24 p.m.

    Four names that will always be remembered for BYU wins.

    Hey Utah fans, Collie, George, and Harline are still open!

  • Great Courage?
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:23 p.m.

    Since when does a cheap shot equate with courage?

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:22 p.m.

    Congratulations BYU...you finally beat a team that's ranked at the end of the season.

  • Little Dog/Big Dog
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:22 p.m.

    Max Hall's comments remind me of the little Dog who barks at the big dog knowing that there is a fence between them.

  • Why I Love BYU
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:20 p.m.

    Because they will punish Max Hall. This is a clear violation of the honor code. He should be expelled. The bowl game is not enough!

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:20 p.m.

    The real victims of Hall's comments are the BYU defense, Harvey Unga and Andrew George. This controversy has taken away from their play. They won the game for BYU. And hardly any one is talking about them.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:19 p.m.

    The really funny thing about all this is that there was no BCS on the line and no conference championship on the line. This game was for nothing. If we are acting like this what is it going to be in 5 years down the line? Hall's comments will be taken into the game next year at RES. What will happen? Each year the ante is upped. Time to send a message and it starts with BYU standing tall and holding Hall accountable.

  • Tradition, Spirtit, Honor, HATE
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:18 p.m.

    Max Hall has no class. Way to disappoint the BYU fanbase.

  • Scoreboard
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:15 p.m.

    BYU 26
    Utah 23

    Max Hall's comments priceless

  • CAL Cougar
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:14 p.m.

    only thing that matters is SCOREBOARD. Say all you want, Max was a winner when it came to his record versus UTAH. Thats all that will be remembered. Nice game Max....the guilty taketh the truth to be hard.

  • Spread the Love
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:14 p.m.

    We should all encourage five of our friends to cheer on BYU in their bowl game. 800 posts X 5 would be 4,000 cheers/prayers.

  • Re: Penalties | 7:57 p.m.
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:13 p.m.

    The difference is that personal fouls were called by the referees on the field. Hall's remarks will get no personal foul, no yellow flag. He took the fight off the field and made it very personal. It is up to BYU to throw the flag on the behavior...we all know it won't happen!!

  • Alabama Smack
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:13 p.m.

    I don't see why everyone out in Utah is so worked up. Max Hall didn't insult anyone's sister or cousin?

    Roll Tide!

  • Hey, I lost something...
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:11 p.m.

    ...looking for Utah in the BCS ranking. We seemed to have replaced them.

    But, BYU and sweet 16!!!

  • Everyone take a deep breath
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:09 p.m.

    ...and then rise and shout, because the Cougars are out--on top.

  • Why support this conduct?
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:08 p.m.

    Citing a classless act (assuming it is true) by one or a few Utah fans, Hall committed a intensely classless act by publicly slandering an entire university, fan base and football program -- all while wearing a Cougar uniform and serving as team captain. At best, hypocritical -- at worst, a display of inexcusable hatred.

    He could have said that he disliked certain fan behavior. But that is not what he said.

    What I can't understand is the irrational support that certain fans give this conduct. Because they think his family was mistreated (or have heard or experienced their own anecdotal story of fan abuse), it is perfectly acceptable for Hall to up the ante and engage in even a more classless act?

    Where is the character that BYU is supposed to value so highly?

    All I see is the weak argument that two wrongs make a right.

    In the meantime, BYU's administration is notably silent.

  • Nice!
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:08 p.m.

    We should all be nice.

    I'll tell you what is really nice, 3 out of 4 wins.

  • BYU Grad
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:07 p.m.

    My opinion of you rose ten fold. Thank you

  • Thank you Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:06 p.m.

    You have great courage. We think you are great.

  • Next week
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:05 p.m.

    nobody will remember this. But, we will remember the great win. Thank you Utah for accomodating us.

  • Just because...
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:04 p.m.

    ...BYU students and alum are confident in who they are does not mean they are looking down on you.

    Why do you feel so threatened by us?

  • To: Supposedly
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:02 p.m.

    Wrong, nobody outside of this board cares about what Hall said.

    BYU is an incredible missionary tool. If you do not see that you are either not LDS or are overcome with your hatred of BYU to see how good it is.

  • RE: Barb | 7:50 p.m. Nov. 29, 20
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:00 p.m.

    "Hall just said what Utah fans think and want to say about BYU. The only difference is that remarks from the Utah side would be filled with obscenities."

    That comment is why there is such a divide here in Utah!!!!

  • Hall and George...
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:58 p.m.

    ...will always have a great memory. What will you have?

  • Penalties
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:57 p.m.

    Utah had double the penalties as BYU, and most of those personal fouls.

    I think that shows that Utah cannot control their temper.

    All who are ripping on Hall should get a yellow flag right now.

  • Supposedly
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:56 p.m.

    the BYU athletic program is a shining beacon to the world.

    I've been told that the athletic program for BYU is a missionary tool for the LDS Church.

    Well, maybe someone should let the LDS church in on the fact that one of their "missionaries" is being quoted on national TV/Radio/Newspapers because he hates Utah and all of their classless fans (including many of the current general authorities for the same said LDS church).

    Awesome missionary tool!

  • Live and Let Live
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:55 p.m.

    Let's just all let the water roll off our backs and then move on to celebrating a great BYU victory over Utah.

  • Think Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:50 p.m.

    Oops - too late

  • Barb
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:50 p.m.

    Hall just said what Utah fans think and want to say about BYU. The only difference is that remarks from the Utah side would be filled with obscenities.

  • Utegars fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:48 p.m.

    Fun game to watch from the stands. Always a bi-line associated with the game though that takes away from the game itself. Can't everybody just grow up? As a Utah transplant and fan of both schools, I have never seen such childish behavior from both sides. BYU fans...don't be so sensitive. Utah fans...don't be so naive. All fans...take a deep breath, get ready for work tomorrow, and go TCU!BYU, and Utah!

  • To all Utes
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:47 p.m.

    Hear ye, hear ye.

    Utah lost (again).

  • the dude
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:42 p.m.

    I hope all the BYU fans and all their hate and love of Max Hall had a good time in church today.

  • Hall for President
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:41 p.m.

    I'd vote for him any day.

  • Wow
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:39 p.m.

    I have not read the 776 comments and won't, so I do not know if this has been mentioned, but I would suggest he be suspended for the bowl game. I love BYU and generally like Max, but he was completely selfish and did BYU no favors with his comments. Bronco should discipline him, granted it would be a hard decision, but to save face for the program Max needs to be suspended. This is not the NFL. BYU does not need some rouge QB tarnishing the program's reputation. This would be a great time to send a message, AND give Riley Nelson some good experience for next year.

    I love to see BYU win, and I DISLIKE the Utes, but this was dumb.

  • I'm glad
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:39 p.m.

    That Max Hall, being the face of BYU Football as captain & Qb, is such a great role model for my kids. He's taught them a great lesson in sportsmanship & teamwork!!!! I want my kids to grow up to be just like him!!! NOT!!!!!!

  • To: Socal
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:34 p.m.

    Furthermore, hardly anyone in Utah gives a rip about this. There are just a few people who are making a big deal about this.

    For most: BYU is really happy and Utes are really sad.

    Nobody cares about Hall's comments.

  • Utah Grad
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:32 p.m.

    As a Ute I extend an appology to all visitors at RES who have been mistreated. Unfortunately we have many infants dressed like big people.

  • Socal
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:28 p.m.

    Here is the reality folks. Outside of the Wasatch, nobody gives a rip about Utah and only the LDS care about BYU.

  • Loving It
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:27 p.m.

    Glad I'm a Cougar fan. I will love it for a whole year. BYU beats USU and Utah. King of the state.

  • Reality Gal
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:27 p.m.

    And this, folks, is why no NFL team will ever touch Maxine Hall. Game over.

  • BYU Grad/Dad
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:25 p.m.

    We ALL support you. You did the right thing. Way to give an example of courage.

  • RE laughable
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:23 p.m.

    What's laughable is that his HATE for Utah showed more in the press conference then on the field. He was outplayed by a true freshman. BJ will always be remembered as someone who found a way to win and lead his team with his arwimpy his
    mouth to an undefeated #2 ranking. Max will be known for Collie and Georgie is still open that led to Vegas.

    The sad thing is Hall won't be playing next year at RES. At least beer won't be wasted on some other poor Zoobs family.

  • So Sad, not worth the state
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:23 p.m.

    I'm a Ute fan and decided to check out this message board, but will now stay off. College football has come down to this, Ute and BYU fans hating each other, and that hate has spilled on to the field. This rivalry is stupid and goes beyond the BCS, but the BCS has only made it worse! Must we all act like immature adults/children??? Some of us need to get a life! I'd rather be hanging out with hot girl on a Saturday night than fighting over the state of Utah in football game. Plus, I'd rather go to and win BCS bowl games than fight over a state that doesn't result in championships. Peace out.

  • Class versus Classless
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:23 p.m.


    Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow and almost all Utah and BYU fans.


    Max Hall's comments and the knucleheads at every rival school

  • Sad in Orem
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:21 p.m.

    This is further proof that Coach Mendenhall has absolutely no control over his team or his players.

  • BYU, Where Hate Speech is Good
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:20 p.m.

    I am very embarassed as a BYU Grad that Max Hall can spew such hatred and not be punished.

  • Know your audience
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:18 p.m.

    Maybe a mandatory class in public speaking would be good punishment and help for Max Hall.

  • Uncle Reality
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:18 p.m.

    Max Hall is so awesome, righteous,and yet so humble. If you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.

  • Calling the bluff
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:17 p.m.

    Uh, they don't serve beer at Rice Eccles Stadium. So all this booze that's being "showered" on BYU fans and Max's family.... where's it coming from? Oh! Wait! I know, Utah fans sneak it in, right? They sneak kegs in their socks. No, wait. They spew beer from their mouths like profanity, right? Well, my family got showered with baby vomit and sprite, both of which are more sticky than beer.

  • Love Thy Neighbor
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:15 p.m.

    Even if he is Max Hall

  • Max-a-Moron
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:15 p.m.

    Nice comments Max. Spineless to throw down comments like that AFTER you will no longer have to face the Utes. Oh yeah, too bad you choked earlier in the season and gave away what will likely be the Coug's best chance at a BCS run for a long time. Yes, you barely squeaked by a rebuilding Utes squad but they also have a couple BCS trophies on their shelf. Enjoy the Vegas Bowl again...you deserve it!

  • Loving it!
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:12 p.m.

    Glad I'm an Aggie!

  • Dead Horse II
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:11 p.m.

    Why does the wind blow so hard near the point of the mountain?

  • Chase
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:10 p.m.

    Im a twelve year old and I don't think max should feel any guilt about what he said, if he didn't feel so strongly about utah it wouldnt be such a great game. Cougar rock. You Utah fans just misunderstood him.

  • Wisconsin Ute & LDS
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:10 p.m.

    Well done Mr. Hall. You have embarassed yourself and BYU for years to come with the finest comments to come from the "church" school since Lenny Gomes stating that all U of U grads will grow up to pump his gas.

  • Love the koogersss
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:09 p.m.

    Poor sport Max has embarrassed the Church Leaders with his un-Christian like comments. Of course it would only embarrass them if they were Christians.

  • you hate me?
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:03 p.m.

    I am the utah fan you hate. I do not pour beer on anyone. I have my doctorate. I pay taxes. I have helped raise four children: lawyer, computer specialist, NASA employee, and criminologist. Unlike you, I have served in a war and have my decorations and memories, even my disabilities.

    In my world, you are known as a pimple.

    How emb. for all who know you.

  • liar
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:03 p.m.

    if any of you have ever been to a game at REC, you KNOW that beer isn't sold. it also is absolutely not let in the gates either, so go ahead and make up stories max about your mom getting beer dumped on her, now you just look like a total idiot. win or lose, that was that rant was completely unclassy. so was you yelling the f word on tv. this is a lesson in remembering that when you point a finger, you have 3 more pointing back at you. better watch your mouth. oh and did he forget that half of the leaders in his church are fans of the university of utah? im sure they really appreciated your comments just like the rest of us.

  • BYU Grad/Dad
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:02 p.m.

    Max we don't all support you and wish you would have kept your big mouth shut!

  • Chase
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:00 p.m.

    The cougars rock

    Good luck your last game

  • Jim
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:58 p.m.

    Grow some skin people! Sticks and Stones! I have to admit its a great way for yewt fans to deflect the fact they lost. Go ahead call me a name or insult my faith or family, I will be fine. Some of you are way to sensitive. Way to go BYU!

  • Dr. Mrs. Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:57 p.m.

    To the Mother and Wife of Max Hall:

    I am sorry for any enbarrassment your son/husband may have and will cause you with hia idiotic comments.

  • Ignore Small Minded Fools
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:57 p.m.

    Max, ignore all of these posts that are small minded and name calling.

    1. We know you are right.
    2. We appreciate your talent.

    It is funny when Utah fans say you are mediocre. Do they realize that you beat them. So what does that make their team?

    Must be the UofU education not sinking through.

  • Ethan
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:54 p.m.

    Max, what a great example you set... *dripping with sarcasm*

  • Brett A West
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:54 p.m.

    Meh. I don't care what Max Hall thinks about me. His comments and the comments of those BYU fans defending him on this board show why so many LDS people are put off by BYU and their athletics. I have to admit though, that was mighty big of him to make these comments when he's on his way out.

  • gdog3
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:53 p.m.

    Where have we gotten as society where we have so much hate. Being a life long Utah fan and spending almost 40 years here in the state, I can tell you what the dogmatic issues are on both sides. In a nutshell, too many Utah fans (not all) think BYU is self righteous. This runs the gamet of root premises. They know it all, feel they are the moral compass for the rest of the world, are better fans and people than Utah fans and people (it goes on and on). On the flip side BYU fans, again too many of them (not necessarily the majority) feel the Ute tribe are barbarians, blood thirsty cougar hunters, godless secularists, and wife beating alcholholics. Thus, when these two schools play it's a holy war. Actually, it's not just when the Utes and Cougars play anymore (week leading up to the game ect...). It's like the whole year now leading up to next years game. It all starts after each game concludes.

  • Max, we all support you
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:52 p.m.

    Thank you Max for four great years. Now onto one more win.

  • Laughable
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:49 p.m.

    I find the overwhelming number of comments left above laughable. Some of the Ute fans so indignant about Max’s comments that they feel he should be benched in the bowl game. Imagine that, a Ute fan so incensed about his comments that they recommend that the BYU starting quarterback be benched. People trying to show that they are classier than the other by criticizing their other’s class or lack thereof. Some people are so offended that they said they will withdraw donations to the school.

    Max shouldn’t have said what he did but this is why I love college sports. These folks aren’t millionaires running around with agents and spin doctors, they are college athletes and sometimes they say and do things that are unscripted. Max has strong feelings after last year. Still not right but take his comments for what they are worth and no more. I see it as pure emotion at the college level. If anyone on either side chooses to be deeply offended, that is your choice but that also is missing the point of college athletics.

  • the frog is a prince
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:47 p.m.

    last yr. when the frogs lost at utah the only thing you heard was the disappointment of the players and coaches and the tears in the locker room and the sense of urgency the team had to get better.....no bad mouthing anyone or shifting responsibility. regardless of the beer being poured on anyone, which is classless to say the least, great teams work to get better and ignore emotional issues that don`t settle anything. tcu has been the class of the mtn. west this yr. and the talking they did happened on the field. let`s have a few less beers at the tailgate and more good fellowship on the field and in the stands. we could all take a lesson from the horns and aggies when it comes to handling intense in state rivalries. by the way, the frogs have 16 returning starters not counting the running backs! the heck w/ the east coast bias in the polls.....this yrs. nat`l champ resides in the mtn west! just ask byu,utah,clemson,uva,air force and the rest of the mtn west.
    here`s blood in your eye from our`s.

  • Dead Horse
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:45 p.m.

    Please stop beating me!

  • Jerry Sprague
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:45 p.m.

    One thing that I think that Max Hall doesn't realize or has chosen to over look is that there is good and bad in whatever you do in this world. I have heard over the years bad things about the BYU fans just as I've heard bad things about Utah. Unfortunately there are more "Slobbering Drunks" on the Utah side, than on the BYU side. But we all live in this world, and we need to see some of the good in whatever we do or support.
    I've been a BYU supporter all my life. And I will likely always be. But I do have trouble with comments of hate from people like Max Hall who represent an instution that is based on anything but hate. But through it all Max Hall is an individual. And he is accountable for what he says. But nobody should hold this unfortunate comment against a organization such as BYU, or Utah if the shoe was on the other foot.
    Bottom line shame on Max Hall for getting caught up in the moment and not controlling his mouth.

  • ute lovers
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:44 p.m.

    obviously lots of people feel like Hall... and lots of the classless utes (ie those commenting here) also hate hall and byu... so if this gets your panties in a knot... you all need to get a life...

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:42 p.m.

    Max Hall doesn't represent all BYU fans or students, and some of the bad Ute fans, don't represent all Ute fans. Who cares what he said. We'll see you next year at Rice Eccles!

  • Chase
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:38 p.m.

    Max is a stud I totally respect him go cougar!

  • Chase
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:35 p.m.

    Max hall is a freaking stud go cougs

  • BYU grad from Texas
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:34 p.m.

    Dear Max,

    You represent Brigham Young University, you represent the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, you represent returned missionaries, you represent eagle scouts. Shame on you. You owe them all an apology for an incredible display of poor judgement.

  • Failed Both Quests
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:31 p.m.

    When the Cougs lost a game in their Quest for Perfection season, they said it wasn't all about winning, it was also about building character.

    Well, 0 for 2, Max.

    Let's see what Bronco does to teach character after that bad display on national television.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:30 p.m.

    Classless is right! Max you have no class.

  • Keith D
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:27 p.m.

    I was a Utah fan but am tired of what goes on at RES. Looking into WSU or USU tickets next year.

  • Ryan Christensen
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:20 p.m.

    Its clear Mr. Hall hates the Utes, but do you think he would be willing to come up north to help Brian Johnson polish his Sugar Bowl MVP trophy? Maybe then he would feel better.

  • rightascension
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:18 p.m.

    This is the trouble with the BYU - Uof U rivialry. It has gotten completely out of proportion. Not all U of U fans poured beer on Max's relatives.

  • Matt Cole
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:11 p.m.

    I am a avid Utah fan but cheer for BYU every week they are not playing the U. My Grandfather Joseph B. Wirthlin played football for the U. He also served on the general board of BYU for many years but he was not shy and was known for his love for the U. He like me cheered for BYU when they did not play the U. The comments made by Max Hall were obviously ridiculous, stereotypical, and terribly generalized. One thing BYU should always stand for as a representative of the Church, is class and sportsmanship. His remarks brought shame to the school, our Church, and his name. And won't easily be forgotten. As a Utah a fan I hope Max does the right thing and is accountable for his words, what ever the punishment the administration of BYU might be. As a member of the Church we believe in second chances, so I with many other U fans, extend this chance for Max to do the right thing, to right the wrong and prove what kind of a man he really is.

  • VJT
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:04 p.m.

    I am a BYU fan, but Max Hall just deflated my chest a little. His remarks were as classless as anything I have ever seen, and elevates Utah in my view. Good riddance to you Hall.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:03 p.m.

    It's funny how not one post is defending the scum bag who threw beer on hall's family. But all we(utes) r saying is why do u greater people with a greater understanding of "why we are here" hate all of us. I have never held, drank, purchased, or thrown alchol. But because I support the u of u athletics u max hall hate me. You cougs that support hall need a real reality check. The person who threw beer is a grade "A" chump we agree. The majority of us pay tithing so that scholarships are available to people all over the world to go to BYUincluding athletes, and I gladly do it. I remember a couple years ago when a Black byu bball player who had tatoos down his arm was photographed to go in the program but the School edited his image to hide the tats. This I assume to protect the image of the school( although hafa's image was intact. I hope the school in this situation also acts to fix itsimage.

  • Beer?
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:44 p.m.

    Anyone else think it's strange his family had beer thrown on them in a stadium (either RES or LES) that doesn't sell beer? I know people sneak in flasks and stuff, but I have yet to see somebody sneak in beer. Sounds kind of fishy to me. I really would appreciate an explanation, because it is unacceptable for people to throw beer on player's families, I just don't believe that it really happened. If he'd said coke it would have been a much more believable story.

  • BYU fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:43 p.m.

    Way to go Max! Like I needed another reason to dislike you. You may hold a lot of records but you are a mediocre quarterback at best and your public rant higlighted your lack of class and sportsmanship. Good riddance!

  • Ute Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:42 p.m.

    He has had bad games against Utah through his career. No wonder he hates Utah. He may have won games against them but it wasn't because of him. It was because of his teammates. His stats suck against Utah for the last 2yrs especially. That is why he hates them...he is not successful against them.

    Veteran BYU team against a Freshman QB, no running game and yet you still almost loss. Wow! To have your comment expressed in those words I say good for you Utah for making Hall's career tough. He tries this at the next level which I don't see him at, he will be targeted by the defense and many not last long in the league due to injuries. You make a comment like that, you'd better back it up!

  • No Respect for Max.
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:42 p.m.

    I'm a HUGE BYU fan. I now have no respect for Max Hall. He has no class. He appears incredibly shallow and immature. Even if he is stupid enough to hate people, especially many people he's never even met, wow. I hope, for his sake, he grows up sometime.

    To all of those he insulted, I apologise on behalf of the vast majority of BYU fans and players who actually have class and respect your team and university.

  • Jon
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:38 p.m.

    It goes both ways folks. There are classy and stupid fans on both sides. It is confirmed to me every time I hear the barrage of f-bombs heaped upon me every other year when I walk into Lavell Edwards Stadium in my Utes attire. And don't bring up the personal fouls, BYU had their share too.

  • How Sad
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:37 p.m.

    Irrespective of who won or what the stakes were, giving into hate is not good for any of us.

    We were at a game day party with a mixture of BYU and Utah fans (including the Bishop and his counselors). Some good fun and mild jokes but all understood that this is not life or death, just sports.

  • Mike
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:37 p.m.

    I am a big BYU fan but boo on Max Hall classless

  • Navy Ute Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:36 p.m.

    I'm usually happy for both Utah and BYU when it comes football season, but Max Hall's rants are a little bit too much. It's pretty sad when you have such a classy Head Coach in Mendenhall for such a classy program, and such a bad representative for the state of Utah, the LDS church and College Football in Max Hall. I'll continue to support both teams with the upper hand going to the Utes, but am looking forward to no longer seeing Max Hall next year.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:36 p.m.

    Isn't the prophet a U of U alum?
    Nice comments regarding your prohpet, Max.

  • Coward
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    Interesting, but very predictable, that Hall waited a year, and only after a victory in the safe confines of LES, to open his big pie hole. GUTLESS COWARD.....too bad he won't be making another trip to Rice Eccles.

    We'll see you next November Riley Nelson.

  • Dear Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:23 p.m.

    I went to Church today - just like you. I went to seminary - just like you. Served a mission, went to General Conference, wore the same white shirt, black badge, loved my family, read the scriptures, said my prayers, gave to the homeless shelter, took care of a sick friend...

    And you hate me why?

  • Ouch
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:22 p.m.

    I feel like Max just yanked me down by my ponytail.

    I consider Mr. Hall's comments deserve suspension. They are as egregious as the soccer player from New Mexico, and LeBlount from Oregon. I do feel badly for Mr. Hall, as I know what it feels like to lose your temper and say or do something you regret.

    Nov. 29, 2009 5:17 p.m.

    What would happen if the UT and BYU administrations got together and said they weren't going to play the rivalry game for the foreseeable future?

  • BYU MBA Grad
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:13 p.m.

    I am a BYU MBA Grad, and have been a donor to the Marriot School and the BYU Athletic department for many years, sponsoring a number of scholarships each year for students from other countries to attend the Y. and for athletes to be a good example of the Church. I hung with the Y. through the bad off the field years with G. Crowton, and the Roger Reed ("you disappointed 10 million people") debacle in basketball.

    However, after Max Hall (who I loved up until today) made those comments about his hatred to the University of Utah and "everything it stands for", I will halt my donations indefinitely to BYU in whole. I feel bad for the Marriot School, but I cannot support a University that lets this happen. I also feel bad for the good kids that go to the U.

    As far as I am concerned, the game was filled with classless actions -- on both sides of the ball. The boys (red or blue) let emotion rule the day instead of football. Max Hall's comments capped off a totally unsatisfying day, that is normally a lot of fun - win or lose.

  • Dale Newton
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:13 p.m.

    To Steve Hill of Brigham City - Very well said. These things [i.e., the alledged beer throwing incident in 2008] can happen at all rivalry games - in Utah or Missouri or California. The point is that most of those are reactionary responses on the part of true morons. And - for those of you cougars who have your heads out of the sand, they also happen at BYU games - becuase I know. Mr. Hall's comments on the other hand were obviously premediated. While living out of state for many years I had to many times defend BYU [even though I am a Utah graduate] for actions on or off the field. I'm glad I don't have to defend these disappointing comments from a true "hater".

  • Bart Blackor
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:13 p.m.

    Max's immature rant is exactly the reason why some of us, who are active LDS, can't stand BYU sports. I live out-of-state, so I don't follow the Utah sports scene in great detail, but my feeling is that many BYU fans are arrogant when they win and totally classless when they lose. In this case, Hall is totally classless in winning. If BYU is such a wonderful missionary tool (as some claim) then Max Hall just burst that bubble! If he isn't reprimanded by the NCAA or the MWC, he certainly ought to be reprimanded by BYU.

  • Gary B.
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    Too much hate in this rivalry. Isn't there already enough trouble in the world? I would like to see the presidents of both institutions agree to a five-year moratorium on athletic contests between the two schools in any sport. People need to grow up a little.

  • oregoncougarfan
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:11 p.m.

    RE: What a shame

    Obviously Max Hall's comments were out of line, but to put the blame on the head coach's arrogance and lack of humility? Are you kidding? Where is that coming from? I am a proud BYU graduate and definitely not ashamed to say that I am. We all need to remember that no one is perfect. How does the saying go... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? We all make mistakes -- too bad Max's was in front of the media and is causing so much contention. He should apologize we should all forgive him.

  • Pelted by BYU Fans
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    Years ago, when seated in the student section, Utah won at BYU on a last minute field-goal. I was pelted by all sorts of garbage by BYU fans and felt lucky to get out alive. This obnoxious behavior goes both ways.

    Nov. 29, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    Gee, I just watched the Channel 2 news broadcast today, Sunday November 29, 2009 at 5:00 pm and guess what? They just mentioned, AGAIN, how Jaime Whittingham was hit by a BYU fan!

  • both teams lose this game...
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:08 p.m.

    wow, I've attended both institutions and cheered for both football teams. You can only be as good as the opponents you face, so it would seem that both of these teams are great. Too bad not all fans or players are made of equal grace and sportsmanship.

    It's really saddening that Mr. Hall seems to think that the U, with its research, contributions to medical breakthroughs and high level of academic excellence is all for naught because some doofus frat boy shook up a beer at a football game. Unfortunate behavior, but one that happens at stadiums all over and not representative of the *majority* of U fans. It would be like classifying all the people who live in UT county as mindless sheep. Not true at all.

    Many of my colleagues and students at the U have been exemplars of their faith and role models. I wish BYU had such a role model in Max Hall. Unfortunate, that. I'll be looking towards Wynn's growth as a QB over the next several years. Hopefully he'll be a great role model and take a lesson on 'how-not-to-act' from Hall.

  • Down south
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:07 p.m.

    I'm not a big fan of either school, but Max's comments are totally out of line. Even if he truly feels that way, keep it to yourself. It's too bad he didn't have that kind of fire when they played FSU or TCU, maybe they would have had a better outcome. Also, those kinds of comments will NEVER get him to the next level.

  • Utah Poke
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:02 p.m.

    Wow. . . I served in a Bishopric in Wyoming with Wyoming players who said the WORST fans in the MWC were in Provo! The Provo fans would use profane language at the families of the Wyoming players, spit and throw food on them! That's class Maxie! Hall's statements just make me loathe BYU all the more! Here's to the Utes spanking them next year, badly, and maybe . .if I keep paying my tithing and saying my prayers . . .The Cowboys will work them over too!

  • clean it up player & fans
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:01 p.m.

    it seems that everyone on both sides seem to have a "good" reason for behaving in a less than acceptable manner. Keep it fun & keep it clean. I can understand Max's perspective, but in no way condone it. I have my own "Ute" experience that turned this into more of a rivalry for me, but I realize there are boneheads on both sides & that keeps things in perspective. I saw lots of trash talking on both sides with lots of cheap shots - see David Reed on UT first drive after being tackled for a big loss. Jorgensen was apparently taunting him & Reed hit him right across the mask causing his head to whip around - right in front of the official & he quickly turned his head away as if not to see it. In other words, sometimes you see/hear what you want to. It is a game! If it has become more than that for you, seek help. Apologize Max. It's not worth it!

  • RE: Understandable | 4:39 p.m.
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:56 p.m.

    So I guess it's ok for my me to teach my son to hate BYU fans and Mormons since he had Hot Chocolate spilled on him purposely and spitwads thrown at him at the FSU & TCU game? I even had BYU fans cussing at him. The kid is 12 years old!!!!!
    I've taught him better than that so he doesn't hate them...maybe BYU needs to teach their students better as well!!!

  • No Class Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:56 p.m.

    wonder why they're not undefeated? no class max is selish and looks out for #1 always, i know him personally and he's "too cool" for many. He obviously hates the church leaders of the school he goes too. If he hates his leaders he must not suport them! hall is an R.M. and needs to remember that.

  • What a shame
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:53 p.m.

    This hatred and lack of integrity all stems from the head coach of the BYU program. He is the perfect exmple of arrogance and lack of humility and I am not the least bit suprised that such comments would come from a player on his team. I am ashamed to call myself a BYU grad!

  • Disappointed BYU Alum
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:51 p.m.

    I want to apologize to the University of Utah and its team for Hall's disappointing comments. I'm saddened at his immaturity and how it reflects on BYU. He should offer an apology to the U, and I hope that the administration asks him to do so.

    I continue to hear about "beer showers" at Rice Eccles, but alcohol is not sold there. And, after having attended many games there myself, I have never witnessed the behavior described (although I know that both sides have fans that do dumb things).

    To my friends who are part of the U, again I apologize for Max. He doesn't speak for all who are associate with BYU.

  • Max is full of it.
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:48 p.m.

    FYI Cougar Fans, Beer is not allowed on Campus. Sound like Max is breaking yet another commandment. Thou Shalt not Lie.

  • Carl Childers
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    Dito what max said. Couldn't have said it better.

  • Understandable
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    Max Hall's comments were totally understandable considering how his family were treated last year on Ute territory. Throwing beer on people and verbally abusing them is far more classless behavior. Way too win, cougars!

  • Mrs. Ute
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:37 p.m.

    Memo to Max Hall:

    You will go down as a mediocre quarterback for BYU, but your hatred comments are what everyone will always remember about you. Unless you never leave the bubble of Springville, these "classless Utes" will be all around you--they will be the business people you associate with. They will be the doctors and nurses that help out you and your family. These classless Utes will be your neighbors, your ward members, and possibly a Bishop or a Stake President. I feel pity for you because this ridiculous, classless comment will follow you for the rest of your life. Aren't we, as LDS people, taught to do exactly the opposite of what you said? Wow. And all of you BYU fans who agree with his comments? Looks like you are stooping to the level of a Ute. Classless.


  • So I wonder
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:35 p.m.

    Why the story about Whittingham's wife getting punched by a BYU fan is being suppressed by the local news??
    Maybe too much embarrassment from the BYU faithful for one event???

  • Objective Person
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:35 p.m.

    Max Hall was able to speak his opinion. Everyone has the right to an opinion it just happens that Max's opinion was broadcast. Many UTE fans hate BYU and decide it is ok to physically and verbally assault other people. That is wrong, period. Even if we are not talking about BYU-Utah, in any situation personal attacks are wrong.

    My suggestions to Utah fans - Get over it.

    My suggestions to BYU fans - Get over it.

    He said what he said. I'm tired of all athletes in all sports being watched over like hawks and expected to act perfectly, speak perfectly and do everything correctly. And then when they act like a human being and make a mistake or two they are scrutinized and thought of as a horrible person. Please please please treat them like a normal person, because that's who they are.

  • Its all about Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:34 p.m.

    Has been from day one. Max is not a team player. That is the reason BYU is not undefeated and not playing for the NC.

    Nov. 29, 2009 4:34 p.m.

    The JW story is true...I saw it happen..

  • Brett Sower
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:33 p.m.

    I'm just wondering what Max would have said if the Y had lost?

  • Mark
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:33 p.m.

    He who is without sin cast the first stone ...

  • Football Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    I love football. Thats all there is too it. I will say I am a major Utah Fan but on top of that I have a great respect for BYU. It surprised me to see a BYU quarterback mouth off. Football is suposed to be fun. It sounds cheesy but it's true. What Max Hall said was very unsportsman like and it is NOT football. Bagging on the other team is a waste of energy and time. Good game Utah. Good game BYU. See you next year.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    This Mormon rant is boring. People get tired of hearing that the Mormon standard is so high. This is just one example that not everyone who is Mormon is an example of excellence. Mormons have the same problems as anyone else and aren't any better examples than anyone else.

  • Truth test
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    So after Max's rant about Utah fans, what will be the response from Utah fans at RES next year

    A. to prove that Max false by showing how classy they are

    B. to prove that everything that Max said about them is absolutely true

  • Don't apply here.
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:31 p.m.

    As a Background investigator I realize MAD MAX may not hold any government and/or public safety job since he "hates" a class of people. Have fun selling shoes max.

  • Steve Hill.
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:30 p.m.

    Max, I'm from Brigham City. If you have the guts, contact me. The BYU fans who support you are as classless as you. (BYU fans supporting him — go read the Book of Mormon. You won’t find anything that condones what he said, no matter what was done to his family by a bunch of morons. Make sure you read about Alma the Younger, by the way). I've had friends who are Utah fans have soda thrown on them (But that's okay since it's not beer, right?), called names you sure don't hear in Church, physically assaulted, etc (all at BYU - imagine that). There are jerks everywhere; some throw beer; others make foolish statements to the press. Too bad you're not intelligent enough to know you represent my Church. You clueless response, sadly, reflects on me. If Pres. Samuelson or Bronco have an ounce of principle, they’ll sit you down for your bowl game. I’m sure they won’t. More’s the pity. I hope the day comes that you grow up and realize how dim-witted you are calling someone classless when, after your statement, the dictionary says see you.

  • RE: Utah Grad '82
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:30 p.m.

    Whoever wrote this is probably the most thoughtful person out there. A lot of the rest of you are just fueling the fire that made MAx go off in the first place. Yes it was a stupid thing to say but certainly not unprovoked. A lot of people involved with this rivalry could use a little more class.

  • Let it all out Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:29 p.m.

    Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.

    It is amazing what built up guilt will produce. Guilt from knowing you gave away the game last year with the worst qb performance ever in the U/Y series.

    Have fun in the Canadian league if you can make it there. We only have to see you choke in one more bowl game.



  • Douglas
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:28 p.m.

    Beer??? Utah has a zero-tolerance policy towards alcohol on campus, dorms ans stadium. So how did anyone throw beer? Also he hates the program? This was designed by a great coach and a Mormon.

  • How Much?
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    How Much money would BYU save if they axed the sports program? Is even an ounce of "Hateful" exposure worth the publicity of BYU football. By the way other news agences are picking up the "Mormon" QB story versus the "Christian" QB Tebow story.

  • CPC
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:25 p.m.

    Max Hall just defined his legacy which is sad for the young man. As much as his spectacular accomplishments on the field it will be the rant that people remember.

    He also places the LDS Church and BYU in an awkward position. Max Hall is now the face of Mormon football and sites that barely heard of Hall or BYU are wondering how those two entities will respond to how he has represented the institutions. To quote one reporter, “It will be interesting to see how BYU -- which holds itself up as a paragon of virtue in the college football world -- responds to its star player proudly proclaiming his hate.” The gold standard of a religious affiliated college football program is Notre Dame and their star quarterback, Jimmie Clausen, would be benched for the bowl game if he had gone on an orgy of hate like that. Next week should see comments from Hall, Mendenhall and BYU worth watching.

  • Truth
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:25 p.m.

    Unfortunately, there are times where you must be a little more PC than usual. Although the comments were probably more true than not he should have worked on the delivery a bit more.

  • BYU, Where Hate Speech is Good
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:25 p.m.

    I certainly hope that Coach Mendenhall thinks very seriously about suspending Max Hall for the bowl game. I seriously think that if Coach Mendenhall doesn't do the right thing, then the MWC Commissioner will suspend Max Hall.

  • BYU fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:24 p.m.

    Jealousy leads to hatred. That is a saying that i think we all can agree on. In this case max hall was jealous of Utah's success during his entire college football career; they had two big BCS wins, a coach of the year award last year and the best bowl record I've ever seen! That jealousy lead him to hate Utah and everything to do with it. I mean what BYU fan isn't jealous of the amount of success Utah has had(myself included)?

    I think we need to focus more on winning our second place bowl games to cap off our good seasons rather than shooting down the Utes who had a good season despite the loss of many key players. And I hate to admit it but you and I both know that after a regrouping season, such as this one for the Utes, they always are a heck of a lot better than us.

    I'm just trying to state the obvious, as a true blue(reasonable) Coug am I!

  • Cougar Club
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:24 p.m.

    I would like to apologize on behalf of Max Hall. His comments were obviously said in the heat of emotion. Max certainly does not represent the vast majority of Cougar Fans. I just wish comments like these were never made, especially by one of our players.

  • Max Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:22 p.m.

    Since Max is a mediocre college QB he will definitely not make it in the NFL and wil be looking for a job....Hope he isn't planning on interviewing with a Utah fan!!!!

  • Duckhunter
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:21 p.m.

    I love howw you Ute fans are focusing on Max Hals comments, as if they matter or make a difference. You lost and your deflected animosity will not make a bit of difference. This year you are the losers and will have to deal with it until next year.

    I remember Steve Tate saying how much he hated BYU a few years ago and there was no uproar from the self rightous Ute fans. Not only that I listed to Tate on the Ute post game show last night criticizing Hall, what a hypocritical clown.

    You ute fans are everything Hall claims you are and this year you are also losers. Come back next year and see if you can change things until then crawl into your holes and live with your inferiority.

  • Ute Convert
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:18 p.m.

    My parents met at BYU, I grew up a huge BYU fan. It was the BYU fan base and comments like these that led to my conversion to be a die hard UT fan. Any level headed fan knows things happen at their rivals stadium. Yep, there are a handfull of bad fans at every stadium. I could give similar comments about my experience at BYU's stadium and the treatment of my family.
    But what was the underlying theme of his comments, remeber he was upset at both UT fans and those BYU fans that are not "real" fans, it was he played his worst game of his career against UT last year and heard about it from all sides for a year. He's been mad for a year. His comments were planned (he said them in almost the same form in multiple interviews).
    By the way, what comments have been made under Coach Wit that have been this out of line? How about under Coach Mendinhal? (Austin Collie & now Max). Someone needs to teach these guys how to be a good winner.
    I'm proud of where my program's going.

  • Crimson Gown
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:18 p.m.

    I think Max Hall will watch the upcoming bowl game on television.

  • LDS Ute Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:18 p.m.

    This is a sad commentary on BYU football. Sure there are drunk and misbehaved Utes fans. Don't think that all is well in Provo either. I've been to enough BYU games to know that BYU fans act stupid also - even without the help of beer. The worst I saw was a bunch of BYU fans belittling the Catholic religion at the Notre-Dame game a few years ago. I'm active LDS and was embarrassed and appalled. They weren't drunk and knew exactly what they were saying.

    The actions of Mad-Man Max didn't surprise me. It seems I recall a temper-tantrum last year where Max flipped off a Utah player and got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike like penalty. This just shows his immaturity.

    Max has had 5 years to mature enough to beat Utah handily and the best he can do is barely win in OT? Utah is young and made stupid mistakes. Wynn has started only 5 games but had more class than Hall in that time.

    Good game Utah and congratulations to BYU in spite of your immature QB.

  • It's more than
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:17 p.m.

    just a hatred towards Utah. It's more of a hatred for anything not Mormon and since BYU is Mormon, the hatred is towards anyone not BYU...that's the perception of all us that did not grow up here.
    Maybe the school needs to work on changing this perception.

  • Utah Football Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:14 p.m.

    Instead of going out on a high, Hall chooses to be negative with is broad brushed statements. Poor choice after a big win. Statements like these don't help the church. It's interesting he waited until AFTER the game to make his comments...pretty spineless.

  • I say
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:13 p.m.

    all the Utah Fans who feel offended put "Max Who" in their rear window!

  • Gerald Budge
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:12 p.m.

    It is one thing to be a poor loser, but Hall is the ultimate example of a poor winner. He showed his lack of maturity as a human being. As a BYU fan I celebrate the win, but not Hall's mouth.

  • Primary Lesson for the day
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:12 p.m.

    "Let us oft speak kind words to each other....."

  • It's the Utah Culture
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:11 p.m.

    of rude.
    I've lived in many states as my profession has taken around the country. It's not U of Utah or BYU. It's the culture here. It is a very rude culture. You see it on the freeways, you see it in the stores. You see it in the neighborhoods. It has nothing to do with religion. It has only to do with the society of "me".
    I have had people make rude comments to me because of the Boston College sweatshirt i was wearing. My son's bus (who went to Juan Diego) has been pelted with trash as they pulled into or out of the parking lots at away games.
    So where do you think all these people learned it? They learn it from home. Maybe everyone needs to take a look at themselves and realize that we all need to have a positive impact on one another rather than worry about what religion, school, or what their lifestyle is.
    I for one am ready to move to find a less rude city. maybe I'll go back to New York. Believe it or not, it was no where near as rude.

  • Well, that changes things
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:09 p.m.

    I used to like both teams but after Max's ill chosen words, I'm not sure if I like BYU's football team AT ALL now.

    Way to represent your school and team Max!

  • Eileen malik
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:08 p.m.

    I've not seen a beer stand at rice eccles. Is max' rant based in fact?

  • New Poll
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:06 p.m.

    Utah is out of the top 25. Excellent work BYU!!

  • A Tale of Two Quarterbacks
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:02 p.m.

    A Tale of Two Quarterbacks

    One of them "lost" with dignity and class. One of them "won" with an apparent lack of propriety, dignity and respect for the other team, school and their fans. Anyone can say they hate the other team, their program, their fans and everything about them but what really tells the true story is how they act. A congratulation should go to the BYU football team for a well fought game. But to paraphrase Joshua, as for me and my family we will cheer for the U!

    Tom Farrell

  • Brad Anderson
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    Good to hear from the most overrated team in the league! Max has just shown why so many people hate BYU!

  • dang
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    Gosh Hall, that was very classless. I'm a huge BYU fan, but I hate to support such a harsh comment. At least be more careful about what you say to the press! When you've got that BYU jersey on, you represent the school.

  • Sandy Cougar
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:59 p.m.

    I've never like Utah, never will, although Max went just a little too far with his comments he said what BYU fans have been thinking for quite some time now. I have many Utah friends and none of them are good sports when it comes to the rivalry. They are just plain ignorant and stupid. If Max is going to get punished for his comments we should might as well just rip up the constitution as well.

  • JWright
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:59 p.m.

    Max Hall had a unique opportunity to learn a great life lesson that comes from the "Good Book"...love your enemies...do unto others, as you would have them do unto you, it is required of us to forgive others...and on and on. Obviously, he has not learned the lesson yet. However, he has now given Utah fans the same unique opportunity to learn the same lesson. For those of us who want to heed the "Good Book's" advice...we must forgive him and treat him the way we would want to be treated. I hope everyone involved will take the high road.

  • Anon
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:59 p.m.

    Mrs. Hall, your son needs a time out. Big boys shouldn't throw tantrums.

  • U Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:57 p.m.

    Max Hall should have hired Jake Heaps's PR rep.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:56 p.m.

    Classy BYU.

  • Both Sides Have Bad Fans
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:54 p.m.

    3 Yrs ago, my wife was spit on by a BYU fan at UT's stadium. 2 yrs ago a fan threw a mini football handed out on the streat corner at her and hit her in the head. I had my bagged confiscated (not the content) by security 2 yrs ago at BYU stadium. No reason could be given, except I wore red.
    It happens on both sides. That's what makes all of this sad. On KUTV's 10 o'clock news they had Max ranting about hate and classless UT fans; followed by an interview with Coach Wit's wife and the BYU fan who hit her. Ironic?
    Yes. Those 1% of fans take it too far. On both sides. But those who represent programs, schools, churches need to realize that blanket hate statements are not good.
    It's too bad nobody's talking about another fun football game.

  • jmulls
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:50 p.m.

    BYU grad and fan ... this is a non story outside of Utah. No surprise to Texas or Alabama fans and their rivalries. nothing to see here ... move along.

    Nov. 29, 2009 3:46 p.m.

    Wow. John Jones is dead in a cave, leaving a wife and one (soon to be two) small children. And this is the center of the world for some of you?

    Get a life.

  • Brigham Young's University?
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:45 p.m.

    Wow! I have never heard such hatred ever come from a U. U. fan after a win! Didn't you go to any of your religious classes Max? Or did you think they were for everyone else but you? Aren't we supposed to love everyone. It is just a game! But in that game you learn your true character... happy with yours?

  • 6'5" 300 lb polynesian
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:45 p.m.

    As a BYU student and loyal fan, Max had every right in the world to say what he said. Because of the terrible behaviour of the ute fans I do not even feel safe entering utah territory to support my team--and I won't feel safe until I am a 6'5", 300 lb polynesian man!

  • Dear Mr. Hall:
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:44 p.m.

    I am a BYU and Utah fan. However, I pull for Utah when these two teams meet.

    After reading the full text of your comments, it is obvious that you have felt a lack of loyalty from amongst the BYU fan base, resentment over the thoughtless actions against your family members last year by some Utah fans, and you've been frustrated by these actions.

    I have said some things under circumstances where I felt I had been offended and have bitterly wished they had remained unsaid. Fortunately, I've never been in the position where I said those words to news reporters in such a public fashion.

    I suspect that you are a good and decent person, and that you truly do not "hate" everything UofU-related. It may have felt good to vent as you did, but I believe you will eventually, if you haven't already, reach a point where you wish you could take your words back.

    Perhaps all of us could learn from this and try harder to show respect to all people, opponents and friends alike.

    Linda Bullough
    Sandy, Utah

  • Nice Example
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:43 p.m.

    The LDS church claims to have the whole truth and that men like Max Hall are ordained to act in the name of God. Yet when I compare Max Hall to Tim Tebow, an evangelical christian, there is no question as to who is the real Christian.

    Nov. 29, 2009 3:41 p.m.

    .... until an LDS player on the Utah team throws the game due to his disgust for the behavior of fans at RES?

    How long until the sane fans at RES stand up and demand a change?

    You don't find it offensive because it wasn't meant for you....really?

  • Why?
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:41 p.m.

    Why are all of you Utah fans ragging on Max Hall for what you are doing right now?

  • irony?
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    max seems to really value the "real" fans that have been positive and and say good things. hmm...

  • Utah Grad '82
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    There clearly are many outstanding individuals who are affilited with the U of U. Unfortunately, the breadth and depth of a vocal minority of U of U fans that conduct themselves with the beer throwing, venom spewing, and offensive language that have been directed at Max Hall and his family serve to embarass ALL those affilited with the U of U.
    Max Hall spoke his mind so candidly as a result of the less than humane treatment that has been directed at him - - all over a game of football.
    To that vocal minority - - you are the ones that have provoked the response from Max Hall - - shame on you and your behavior - - the apology should be coming from you. Get a life and stop embarrassing the rest of us.

  • What's your beef
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:38 p.m.

    What's the big deal? Can anyone really define for me why any of this really matters?

  • Hardwood Pain
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:36 p.m.

    BYU will take down Utah home and away--but Utah fans will still be complaining that they are hated.

  • Wow
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:35 p.m.

    So sweet for a whole year.

  • Buster
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:34 p.m.

    Ahhhh... I remember back in the day when Jim McMahon also spoke for the church in all matters.

    BTW, I enjoy both Utah and BYU sports. BYU fans sing popcorn Popping, drives me crazy.

    Ute fans are just flat out jerks.

  • Max...
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:34 p.m.


  • UTE FAN!!!
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:33 p.m.

    Max Hall is just mad because he's not going to the BCS and Utah has gone twice and won both times. Have fun in Vegas for your fourth year in a row BYU. Because Max Hall won't be playing!!! "Classless" What you just did was classless Max.

  • To Pittsburgh Ute
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:33 p.m.

    You are the type of ute that ruins it for everyone. I agree 100% with what Max said. Take a look at what your precious utes did to Max and his family. He has every right in the world to hate utah and their fans, and so do I. Max did not say that for nothing, he was speaking like a real man. Go Cougars! Max is my hero! I will continue to cheer for BYU and ANYONE who plays utah!!!

  • Deseret News Article
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:30 p.m.

    Article by Dick Harmon - BYU fas

    The amazing thing about BYU's 26-23 win over Utah Saturday?

    It wasn't that the Cougars should have salted it away long before overtime.

    It wasn't that Max Hall found Andrew George – half of a tight-end tandem he'd made a living off his entire BYU career – for the game-winning touchdown pass.

    It wasn't that the big Hall-to-George play was directed right at Ute safety Robert Johnson, whom the Cougars had tried to avoid all day.

    It wasn't that Hall went off on Utah's program and fans in the pressroom. Or that some BYU fan allegedly hit Jamie Whittingham, Kyle's wife, in the lip and someone else reportedly sucker punched his son, Tyler, in the massive assembly of bodies on the field afterward.

  • Answer This?
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:26 p.m.

    Who wouldn't be furious if someone threw a beer on your wife? Look how Ron Artest handled it a few years back; However, Max, you could have been bigger than it all by being the better Man and let the win do the talking, instead you took the lower road. However, show me one man who hasn't said something he has regretted. Learn from it Max and move on. Furthermore, for any fan from any University to do anything to anyone's wife/mom is absolutely classless and deserves good old fashion whooping. From an cougar alum.

  • RJH
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:26 p.m.

    2 mediocre teams playing error-ridden football. Only their grit and stamina are superior. BYU wins another nailbiter when 2 Utes cannot tackle one man. But Hall is the icing on the cake. Can anyone tell me why BYU, a private, church-owned university, wastes so much time, energy, and money supporting a football program? It surely can't be for the publicity after the QB's venomous blather. Nothing better than to reveal the belligerent, selfish, and aggressive nature of the male athlete! Way to go, BYU. The Cougars would be better off investing in Soccer since it has far more draw world-wide than football.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:26 p.m.

    Which statement hurts more"?

    BYU beat Utah for 3rd time in 4 years.
    Max hates the Utes.

    If Utah had won the game, we wouldn't be having this argument.

    I was at RES for the Harline catch. Last time I will ever be in RES.

    I tell you, Max has done the Rivalry a favor. He said what everyone knew, but were afraid to talk about. RES is a 40,000 seat raunchy bar. Maybe the u will finally do something about it.

  • ahhhh bummer, a Jihad...
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:24 p.m.

    A person has a few big opportunities to be the better man in such a large spotlight. Too bad he wasn't up for it.

    From these posts I'll start preparing my daughter not to think everyone at BYU will actually believe the gospel all the time. Sounds like a religious jihad.

  • Why
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:22 p.m.

    What practicing Mormon has spoken such hatred before?

  • BCS scoreboard
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:21 p.m.

    Utah 2
    BYU 0

    Utah still can talk BCS since its coach is still Kyle who took the team there last year.

    BYU can't talk 1984 NC (with asterisk) since Lavell is not its coach anymore.

  • Double Victory
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:21 p.m.

    once on the field and once in the media room. We beat em good.

  • re: KUTV
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:19 p.m.

    Funny, I saw her get interviewed last night on TV and what about the Deseret New's front page sports story?????

  • Jones
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:19 p.m.

    That is BYU's true character!! Sounds like they hate everything!! They cannot even enjoy a win without mouthing off and being hatefull!!

  • Sad Day for Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:18 p.m.

    Max Hall is an adequate QB when facing weak MWC foes, but the record is clear, he falls apart and loses his composure against quality opponents: FSU, Utah, TCU (twice), Arizona. His resume will forever be short on wins in big games and his failure to take BYU to the BCS speaks for itself. He tarnished what should have been a day for BYU fans to celebrate by forcing them to defend his infantile comments. BYU played good enough and deserved the win. Had Utah won, the same could be said for them.

  • Randy
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:17 p.m.

    Outside of Utah, this game was a non-event. Even though both BYU and Utah were ranked, the game itself got very little press. Thankfully, Mr. Hall's rant got even less.

    This is interesting, I lived in Alabama for many years and to my knowledge there has never been a single commentary like Mr. Hall's in all of the years that I have been watching the Alabama/Auburn games. Having been to other rivalries (including Utah/BYU and LSU/Arkansas) it would be naive to think this doesn't happen in the stands - but it should stay there.

    Personally, I hope that this story stays in Utah. It is certainly nothing to be proud of. All fans have an obligation to be civil - it is after all just a game.

    My greatest concern is how this is perceived by members of the Church. Will this be considered acceptable behavior and if so, what does this say about us as a people? Are we creating a class society and/or condoning this type of behavior?

    This was an embarrassment.

  • Ron
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:16 p.m.

    I see where the Jamie Whit. story is another attemp by Utah fans to make something up. It did not happen, There was no TV coverage of anything. It is a Hoax............So quit making up lies to cover your loss............

  • Janet Anderson
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:15 p.m.

    Max is in a position of leadership & has now defined who he is for years to come, this is what the public will remember.. I have been to at least 10 years of BYU-UT games & never witnissed beer throwing or verbal abuse,except for the BYU fan attacking a cheerleader. The majority of fans enjoy the rivalry & keep it in the context for which it was created. I also saw a clip last night of Coach Wittinghams wife being pushed & I beleive knowcked around by upset BYU fans, so I really think both sides have a percent of responsiblity for bad behavior. The level of Max's verbal abuse shows a very unhealthy perspective of life & sports, was very sorry to witness his rant...

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:14 p.m.

    When the utes lose their best comeback is to try to point out some sin of a BYU player instead of just accepting the fact that they got beat once again.

    Austin collie, now Max Hall.


    3 out of 4 if I remember right.

  • Re: Max for President
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:14 p.m.

    of the "Crying Babies" club.

    23 out of 26 members prefer him over Danny Aigne.

  • Lehi Ute Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:13 p.m.

    I just returned from church (80% Y fans). Every single one was classy. Some joked with me about the game, no one in an offensive manner. In my extended family, 50% are Y fans. We enjoy the game and the ability to have bragging rights for a year. No one was classless. Same goes for work, all the Y and U fans are classy win or lose

    When I wear red to Lavell Edwards Stadium I get yelled at, sworn at, things(usually food wrappers) thrown at me. I took a Y coed to the game at RES one year and she was treated equally as bad. Why do so many on both sides feel it is okay to act like imbeciles at the stadium. It's a game and we aren't even playing. It's not like any of us can claim credit for the victory.

    Last thought: I'm sure Hall didn't mean what he said. It was in the heat of the moment. Even if you assume that he's right, that every Utah fan, student, alum, employee is a horrible classless person it still doesn't justify HATE. Max is a christian.

  • KUTV
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:12 p.m.

    There is no link to the JW story because it does not exist.

  • jim bob
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:11 p.m.

    Wow, of course he doesn't hate all Utes. How many times have you said "I hate everything about BYU". You really don't and he doesn't. It is just a manner of speaking. Relax. Or maybe this will spawn some good fights at work.

  • President Young's email
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:08 p.m.

    Anyone have President Young's email? He needs to know that the silent majority of Utah fans are fed up. We (Utah sports) now look worse that UNM women's soccer.

  • re: I love this @ 151
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:07 p.m.

    "Low lifes". Is every person who chooses something different than you a low life? The only mormons that choose red over blue do so because they couldn't get into BYU? This is the typical better than you, holier than thou attitude that sets you up for people to dislike. Out in the real world things are a little more diverse than what you see every day in Utah County. Your bigotry towards people who are different than you is obvious. How was church today? Did they have a lesson on that type of hatred today? You, sir are a hypocrite and a hater.

  • Ute fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:07 p.m.

    As a Ute fan, I will admit that it has been disconcerting the sheer size of our fan base that is crude and mean-spirited. This is a just a game between 18-25 year old men. Both BYU and Utah fans need to calm down a bit and enjoy the game.

  • Utah Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:06 p.m.

    I'm a Utah fan but I will admit the truth hurts. I would never do what some of our fans do. I wish there would be more security to put a stop to this kind of bad behavior.

  • UteFan Bandwagon
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:04 p.m.

    I'm a Ute fan and will get on the wagon. I love our sports, hate our fans, agree with Hall.

  • Dear Ute Fans:
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:03 p.m.

    Classless = Kyle calling an onside kick when up 50. It starts at the top and goes from there.
    Max Hall just said what everyone else already knows, but didn't have the guts to say. Sure, he proved he is pretty classless himself, but he didn't lie.
    The truth hurts Ute fans so go ahead and cry like you always do. Still doesn't change anything.

    University of Wyoming

  • Truth hurts...
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:02 p.m.

    Doesn't it Utah?

  • Max for President
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:02 p.m.

    Recent polls show Max Hall's favorabilty ratings are soaring on the U campus.

    23 out of 26 prefer him.

  • any link to
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:01 p.m.

    Jamie Whittingham's story.

    I am disappointed that BYU has not issued any statements regarding these incidents including Maxi's mouth-off statements.

    Mr. Holmoe, we're waiting for your action.

  • Heated Rivalry?
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:58 p.m.

    Utah fans- both BYU and Utah- in general are way too thin skinned. We cry about not getting respect and national recognition for having the most heated rivalry. The moment a player calls out the opposing school the entire local media, fans (on both sides) and citizens demand apologies.

    Outside of Utah this would be a complete non-story. But here in Utah, these comments trump the game and rivalry. We do not have the intense rivalries like the big schools and this outcry about Hall's comments demonstrate that.

    This story about his comments illustrates why we will never be mentioned in the same sentence as the big schools rivalries.

  • Another Ute Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:58 p.m.

    I am another fan supporting Max.

  • What's up with Unga
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:58 p.m.

    would have loved to have heard Unga's rant during the game. Anybody in the first 25 rows on the Cougar sideline able to report? He seemed to be giving the Utes the business.

  • UteF@n
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:57 p.m.

    We are to be ashamed of ourselves.

  • Thank you Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    I hate losing to BYU but with Max's comments over shadowing the victory. It has made this loss turn form bitter to sweet. I am really enjoying this loss!!!


  • Love UofU, Disgusted with Fans
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    I love my University of Utah but I can do without many of our fans.

  • Voice of Reason
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    Great. Thanks, Max. Now Ute fans are going to hit us over the head with that single quote of yours for decades. I can understand your anger if your family was abused by a few unruly Ute fans last year, but come on...you hate "all" Ute fans!? The "entire" program!?

    Don't get me wrong, that was a GREAT game yesterday and I'm on cloud 9 that my boys in blue won that nail-biter.

    But the last thing - the LAST thing - this rivalry needed was to have the winning QB take a gasoline firehose to the Holy War fire.

  • John
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    I expect Max Hall to issue the same apology that BYU demanded when the Wyoming coach gave them the bird. No wonder he did it.

  • re: Kyle
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:53 p.m.

    did you say max hall was back into the heisman race???
    First off... he was never in it. Second, he had an awful game until he threw the game winning touchdown. Third, heisman canidates don't rip on opposing universities as a whole. Wow...

  • ron
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:52 p.m.

    byufan why don't you just go home and say wait til next year. your blogs mean absolutely nothing. Beer on the opposing qb's family without an apology from the head of the university, means everything.church or no church.

  • Utah Fan Supporting Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:51 p.m.

    I'm a long-time Utah fan who supports what Max has said.

  • For Utah AND BYU fans
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:50 p.m.

    As of now there are 458 comments on the main Deseret News story discussing BYU beating Utah in overtime.

    However, there are 593 comments criticizing Max Hall's post-game interview in which he said he despised the University of Utah and their fans.

    Does anyone else find it interesting that there are more comments about what Max Hall said than what he and his team did on the field?

    In other words, if you're a Utah fan, look into the mirror and see if you're not partly to blame for all the mean-spiritedness between the 2 schools.

    And if you're a BYU fan who is freaking out about how Max Hall supposedly will single-handedly destroy the LDS church: chill. First, I'd bet my last dollar that every single one of you at one time or other said out loud that you hated someone or some thing. Second, you should be more secure in knowing that your church is far larger and more enduring than one college quarterback's comments.

    Get a grip, BOTH sides.

  • Craig
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:49 p.m.

    To all you BYU so called fans who put your names above and write your comments. We don't appreciate you RED_Necked for doing such. We as readers are not stupid as some of you............We support our team, we support Max, What He said is true. My wife got spit on while at Ec. stadium two years ago. I have never forgotten the way we were treated up there.......I don't think Max meant anything by his comments, but I support him for being honest..........

  • KUTV
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:48 p.m.

    I work in the KUTV newsroom and there was no such coverage of Jamie Whittingham. Just more misinformation by Utah fans trying to distract.

  • Rush the field!!!
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:48 p.m.

    BYU fans are always rushing the field! They were picked to win the game and ranked ahead of Utah. Rush the field and put your football players up like Gods. BYU is lucky their students did not pull down their own goal posts.

    Rushing your field? Really? What is that????

  • Too bad Max...
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:46 p.m.

    It may be how you feel, but you have to have better sportsmanship than that Max...my kids love BYU but I hope they never hear what you said and I hope they never feel that way about an opponent and especially don't verbalize it. Go on and on about how classless the Utes are and then be classless yourself...should have had more self restraint!

    You should follow the example of the Utes who post on this site. I never see them make blanket judgments and statements lumping all BYU fans or LDS people together...wait a second...I think I have seen that a little bit. Everybody grow up and be good sports!

  • Classless
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:45 p.m.

    Isn't it classless to make comments like that? Football is just a game and win or lose a player should learn how to do it graciously. Max Hall sounded immature with those comments and it is a shame that he made his college career exit on a note like that. To classify the whole Ute community based on his personal experience is narrow minded and immature.

  • Amen, Kevin.
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:44 p.m.

    That was a great victory yesterday, won by some gritty play. The defense did well. The running game was fantastic. Hall was a liability for much of the game, and then he tries to make this victory about him???

    I was thrilled about the win. The two teams were evenly matched and the Y did enough to get by. And now we have to see articles and hear the sports radio talk about you and your thin-skin? Your team mates won this game, but you made this all about you.

    You may be the winningest QB at BYU, but that's only because you played with some amazing players - like Collie and Unga and Pitta. Unfortunately, whether you like it or not, you're going to be known for: 1. these comments. 2. playing poorly in the big games.

    Good riddance and go cougars!

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:44 p.m.

    I'm sure none of you Ute fans coming down on Max have never said "I hate BYU." C'mon people get real! Ute fans, players and coaches have said how much they hate BYU for years and that's okay, but Max vents over three years of ridicule from all those great Utah fans and he's the devil! Great example of the BYU logo on urinal cakes.....where were you then? It was funny then, right. This is too funny! All you LDS Ute fans laughed about the urinal cake thing disrespecting the same church you know condemn Max for making look bad. think about it.

  • Aggie
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:44 p.m.

    Max.... and a few other people around here need to grow up a bit.

    Every team has some rude fans, including BYU. He is way out of line.

  • Kelly Allen (no hiding)
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:43 p.m.

    I don't think there's a truer cougar blue fan than me. But Max, I'm glad to see you go. There's a difference between competitive and classy. There have been many a Coug who have been both, but I can't count you as one of 'em. Again and again I've watched your temper get the best of you on the field and off. Your comments typify behavior which is beneath the level of the "personal" execution I have thought Bronco has been striving to raise this team to for the past 5 years. I for one am happy to see you go. You guys were lucky last night. You were lucky last night. The Utes are a great team and except for their own miscues and stupid mistakes, could have easily won that game. My hat is off to them (AGAIN!).

    Go Cougs!

  • Stunned
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:42 p.m.

    Maybe it is time to adopt the BYU-Idaho and divert the funds used by the athletic program to some new graduate progams.

    This was shameful in every way.

  • GoCougs
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:42 p.m.

    Talk it up Max -- you are the winner! Send the Utes to the Toilet Bowl! I hate them too.

  • RE: re: let's analyze it:
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:38 p.m.

    Please refer to any of the news reports that confirm that Jamie Whittingham was hit in the face at Lavell Edwards Stadium after the game. She was on KUTV. She had a fat, bloody lip and she said she couldn't believe it. And she said, "i'm a woman, and you hit me?" and the guy and his friends yelled at her to shut up.

    It's an unfortunate incident. But one that some of the Y faithful think they're above. And they're the same ones defending and justifying Max Hall's comments. Pharisees and hypocrites.

  • maybe?
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:38 p.m.


  • U student @ 2:17
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:37 p.m.

    Inarticulately angry or inappropriately angry. If some idiot fans did abuse the Hall family or frankly any others then this is between them - you are owed nothing.

    Max chose to play football for BYU, he chose to be a leader...he proved to be an immature spokesman and his comments were WAY inappropriate - your comment was just plain unintelligible ...

  • Re:Re:Lets analyze this
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:37 p.m.

    Channel 2 covered the fact that Jaime Whittingham had been HIT in the mouth by a BYU fan and then told to shut up. During the coverage, Channel 2 even showed her lip as it was swollen.

  • Kevin - BYU Alum
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:36 p.m.

    Max, thanks for taking all of the joy out of beating that school up north. Victory has never tasted more sour for true BYU fans. Can't say I'm sorry that you're leaving.

  • Max Max Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:36 p.m.

    It's not a very bright kid who goes looking for his name in internet message boards.

    Max: the people behind the screen names have very little positive to say about anything, let alone a college rival's mediocre quarterback.

  • GO COUGARS!!!!!
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:34 p.m.

    I support you Max--100%!!!

  • Hey Ute Fan..
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:33 p.m.

    You are trying to soothe the accute pain of defeat by making remarks made by a competitive player the story.

    The real story was the incredible ending to a sensational game. That's the story. You lost Ute fans. Take it like a man. Quit whining. Crying about a player's comments will only dull the pain of defeat until tonight when you see the re-play on the sports station.

  • Diddo Diddo Diddo
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:32 p.m.

    I agree with Hall. Peace Out

  • Good Fans, Bad Fans
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:30 p.m.

    One thing you will never see in Provo is a group of fans throwing beer at a players family! Them are fighting actions in any arena. No wonder Max has some anger issues! Those actions should be dealt with by law enforcement. I have many wonderful friends that are Newt Fans but more that are BYU fans. Ha Ha, I can rest for another year!

  • Big-Lar
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:29 p.m.

    Wow - a premier player with a scholarship to a church owned school that touts itself on family values - making a comment published in a church owned newspaper - is hate a family value at BYU?
    Mr Hall - I am sorry your family was treated badly at Utah, Shame on the Utah fans - to all - IT'S A GAME - GET A LIFE. It is fun (I am a die hard Utah fan even if they go 11-1 as long as that one is against BYU i think of it as a good season). But I don't drink and mostly swear only when a hammer and my thumb are involved. To the BYU leadership - is this speaking for you and your school and your religion?
    Cougarfan - disadvantage in recruiting? Is that the same one that Notre Dame has?

  • Homer Jones
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:28 p.m.

    BYU = HATE!!

  • Wake-up call
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:28 p.m.

    The things that Max Hall said, in a press conference to tv reporters no less, should serve as a HUGE wake-up call to the UofU administration. Some serious problems exist that need to be looked into and corrective actions taken asap. But will they actually do anything? Who knows. They might also be thinking that Max is just a "poor sport" and all is well on the hill. HA. It'll probably take BYU fans who've been assualted to press charges and also file a lawsuit to make it happen.

  • Ute fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:26 p.m.

    Hey Max you won in OT good for you but it was against a freshman and a team that was rebuilding and not expected to do much. Well looks like they did do well. Jordan will be the next Alex smith, hope you got a good education at BYU because this is it for you. I hope you are benched for those rude comments. Take a look at Tim Tebow how he sets an example.

  • Rutylou
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:24 p.m.

    Can't help but make the contrast between Mr. Hall and Tim Tebow. Tebow is a class act and was a true leader and fierce competitor his entire college career. He is deeply religious, but with a Christ-like demeanor and sense of peace and respect for all humans. In his interviews he seems to see the postive in all and he exhibits good wishes to all. Tebow, not Hall, is the best example of a true Christian in college football. How embarassing for Hall's school, church and fellow players.

  • Cat 2
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:23 p.m.

    Maybe Max forgot to take his Prozac

  • Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:23 p.m.

    The fact that BYU fans are defending Hall's comments is even more disturbing than the comments. By the way, I think Hall totally made up the thing about his family getting beer thrown on them. Alcohol isn't even allowed in the stadium. It could have happened, but I highly doubt it. Instead, I think he was just perpetuating the BYU fans stereotype of all Ute fans being ignorant alcoholics.

  • Utah Tickets
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:22 p.m.

    I just went online and purchased several Utah basketball tickets. We are going in all blue and cheering on every opponent.

    Bring it on Utah. Give us your best because you have now awoken the giant and we are out to see you feel the pain.

    Nov. 29, 2009 2:21 p.m.

    Max Hall need to apologize both to BYU and the U of U after he his he is severely chastised by his team mates.

  • Re:Let's analyze this:
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:20 p.m.

    I am not sure about this incident --never heard it:
    2. Which stadium was it in where a coach's wife got punched and told to shut up? THat's right. Embarrassing as it is, that happened at LES.

    Can you shed more info?

  • So many don't get it
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:18 p.m.

    THey don't understand why Y fans are known across the country (ask the Florida State fans who were at the game this season) as being arrogant, narrow-minded, and rude.

    That's a broad generalization, but just take a look at the comments of those who DEFEND Max Hall's post-game hate-filled remarks. Y fans DEFEND it. Just like they defend jumping out of the stands and tackling a cheer-leader because they were waving a flag. Just like they defend somebody hitting Jamie Whittingham.

    All programs have classless fans. Utah does have its share of those who are mean-spirited and 'classless'. But obviously, BYU does to. I've been spit on at LES. Much worse than imaginary beer.

    The problem is that Y fans - as well as some of their players (Max) think they're above it! SOme Y fans are even saying that Utah's administration needs to do something - after a coach's wife was punched at LES!!!

    Most Y fans and U fans are just that: good, respectful fans. But some Y fans are pharisees and hypocrites always pointing to how unrighteous others are without seeing their hypocracy.

  • Apology
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:17 p.m.

    As a former U student, I am waiting for an apolgy from those U fans that are abusive, intolerant and embarrass my school. Then and only then will I expect any sort of apology from a young man who was inarticulately angry that his family was abused by said fans. I would also like an apology from those "holier than thou" BYU and Utah fans demanding Hall be reprimand as if their own condemnations/judgements are so much more proper

  • Amen.
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:17 p.m.

    To every comment Max Hall made. I would say the same thing about Utah. Utes are classless and so is their entire organization. Cougar fans have always thought it, and now finally a player said it! Thanks Max! I support your comments! Go Cougars!! And George is still open!

  • Richard Judd
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:16 p.m.

    Max, your comments showed very poor judgment. You need to apologize.I am a BYU fan but sometimes really wonder about the lack of sportsmanship from some of the players. Your behavior greatly disappointed me. You could have handled the lack of respect toward your family in other ways. I hope you learn from this huge mistake.

  • Colton Brady
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:15 p.m.

    Hey Max, go read 3 Nephi 11:29. Shame on you.

  • Non-Utahn
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:12 p.m.

    I do read some of these comments about BYU and Utah...does seem like a lot of immaturity on the side of both.....Utah fans seem to be overly critical of anything BYU does or says.....BYU fans appear too much into "Ain't we da best & smartest" all the time.....maybe both should mature and enjoy a great rivalry....or bring in Boise State and then move both BYU and Utah into a fight for 3rd or 4th place behind BSU and TCU.....then, who would care????

    Just a thought all you "Happy-Haters."

  • Gary C Rowton
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    Stereotypes are created and fed by just this type of behavior. All Utes are sloppy drunks? All Mormons are polygamists? Come on Max. Your statements are the worst form of hypocrisy. I'd rather have my team lose while exhibiting sportsmanship and class, than win with tactless rants. Byu football is the face of "the church" to most people beyond the Zion curtain, congratulations on giving merit to the beliefs about Mormons by most non members.

    As byu learned against TCU and FSU, you can't teach speed.

    As the rest of the world just learned about byu and max, you can't teach class.

  • I am far more disappointed...
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:09 p.m.

    with the number of fans who see no problem with what Max Hall feels and says about the Utah fans, program, and the University itself, than I am with his words. I'm sure the past year has been hard on him; Utah fans have relished in making his name a punchline because of his poor performance in last year's game. I wouldn't be surprised if he has an "I can't believe what I just did" moment in the near future where his press conference comments are concerned.

    However, to the fans on both sides of the aisle who think there is nothing wrong with hating people because of who they root for in a football game, what's your excuse? Unfortunately, as evidenced by these postings, there are numerous bigots who swear allegiance to both the Utes and the Cougars.

    I am confident that Coach Mendenhall and the Board of Directors at BYU don't condone Max Hall's hate-speech. As dedicated fans, let's not allow this event to worsen an already too bitter rivalry.

    I'll bet Aggie fans are enjoying not being involved in all this ugliness.

  • Let's analyze this:
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:09 p.m.

    The level-headed, intelligent, emotionally stable Y fans are embarrassed to see some of the 'other' Y fans justify Max Hall's comments and try to point the finger at Utah for having 'classless fans'.

    As a Y fan, I implore my fellow cougars to not cast stones from a glass house. I can't believe that some on here have the audacity to say that Hall is justified and Utah should do something about their fans.

    Here are some reminders:

    1. Which program let a fan jump onto the field and tackle a cheerleader? It was BYU, and the athletic director then blamed the cheerleader for waving a flag, and they banned flags. Nothing like holding us fans accountable, huh?
    2. Which stadium was it in where a coach's wife got punched and told to shut up? THat's right. Embarrassing as it is, that happened at LES.
    3. And which program had a senior QB spew hatred after his VICTORY? Yes, it's the team representing the institution professing to live an 'honor code'.

    As a Y fan, I wish Y players exemplified the class we saw from Eric Weddle or Tim Tebow. Embarrassing.

  • Bad Apples
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    To those who suggest the U condones classless behavior by fans, note that the U (1) has banned alcohol at games for years (I attend every game and have never seen a fan holding alcohol), and (2) flashes a hotline phone # repeatedly which fans can call to get problem fans removed from the game. The U is built on class and dignity, and the bad apples are not condoned.

    And while I understand Max' and others frustration with abusive fans (I feel the same frustration with U and Y fans, including the Y fans who repeatedly verbally abused Coach Schramm to his face yesterday about his age), I do not understand why a team would "deserve to lose" for foul language and verbal assaults at opposing fans, while the team and QB that "deserves to win" is free to use foul language on national TV, and to verbally abuse opposing fans (and an entire university).

    Both schools are great assets to our state with a few unfortunate warts. Unfortunately, Max just wrapped himself in with the latter, but this does not change all the outstanding aspects of both universities.

  • Regardless of the ending score
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    freshman Jordan Wynn showed more class than Max Hall, on and off the field.

  • Does Max Hate President Monson
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    Fair question right? I mean if you are going to throw everyone in are you really man enough to throw everyone in?

  • A BYU fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:07 p.m.

    Thanks for adding to the hate between the two schools, shut up Max, you are not helping.

  • Underclass BYU player
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:07 p.m.

    I am a sophmore on BYU's football team and will have to pay the price for Hall's words. Thanks Max, why don't you come on the sidelines next year to take part in the rivalry.

  • aulmytee
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:07 p.m.

    It is now one day after the "big game." Max has more to be ashamed and embarressed about than he has to be proud of. That makes it two years in a row for Max.

  • Steve
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:06 p.m.

    I'm a true blue Cougar fan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one here saying this.......but I just lost a lot of my respect for Max Hall.

  • Proud Utah Alum
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:05 p.m.

    Three things:

    -Great game for an unproven Utah squad. I can hold my head high with that kind of effort. Great composure Jordan!

    -Max, President Monson is one of those Utah fans.

    -I don't excuse physical/verbal assault, but I thought BYU held themselves to a higher standard than this.

  • Tom
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:05 p.m.

    Seems to me that Max is making up rules he doesn't need to follow, we need to share positive commnets etc. but he can bad mouth...Max, you whet out without class.

  • well
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:04 p.m.

    The U fan in front of me st the game was chewing a cigar he snuck in his clove and was wearing a Mormon bashing t-shirt. The U fans beind me were making religious remarks about BYU fans blocking their view (never mind that the entire U section was standing.
    I am not sure how I would have reacted if my parents were verbally and physically assaulted - but I suspect either way - some Utah fans would complain that THEY were the victims and anyone who disgreesd was a bad Mormon.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:04 p.m.

    Bottom line on this . He represents the Church and its beliefs. And he represented them well !!!!!!
    Nobody is as good as us !!!! Yep we already know this about you guys , that is why you get treated the way you do. I mean does that not make sense ???

    Listen the church is not all bad. I know this !!!
    But they need to get serious and start doing some self evaluation. I think I am a good represenative of the other side of the arguement.

  • Beer
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:04 p.m.

    I struggle with Hall's allegations about beer being thrown on his family. First: Beer isn't allowed in the stadium though admittedly it probably does exist. Second: he talks as though his family was targeted for the act. Does anyone REALLY think that people at RES would know who Hall's family is??

    IF the incident took place, I suggest that it was beer being thrown on people wearing BYU garb and NOT as a target of Hall's family.

    The incident is indeed a big "IF"...at least in my mind.

  • Me
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:04 p.m.

    His "big" game comments mirrow his "big" game antics during his BYU career. He doesn't handle pressure very well ie; poor performances during and after big games.

  • And...
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    for emails regarding the "classless" actions of utah fan: Chris Hill chill@huntsman.utah.edu

  • Oh Come On
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    I'm an University of Arizona grad and I hate the Arizona State Sun Devils, this is talk about a football rivalry. Does that mean I hate every Sun Devil? It seems people in these posts are taking this way to seriously.

  • Fireside tonight
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    I just found out there is a BYU player delivering a fireside to our neighborhood youth tonight.

    I sure hope the topic is about humility. And not about hate.

    Because although I am sure most of BYU is not about hate, Mr. Hall sure seems to be.

  • All so stupid
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:02 p.m.

    I was an athlete at BYU about 10 years ago and I consider myself a BYU "fan." But guess what, I also love Utah and cheer for them too. Max Hall's comments were immature and ungracious. I think the media fuels this stupid stuff and I'm sick of it. Can't we just enjoy a great game. Alot of fans need to get off their couches and their soap boxes and worry about things that really matter. A game is a game, it means nothing more than that. A rivalry should be fun, but this is just plain stupid. I'm tired of the crazy fans of any team who think football or any other sport really means more than just that...sport. Get on with life people...and Max Hall.

  • Seriously Utah
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:02 p.m.

    How soft can you get, did Max really hurt your feelings that bad?

  • Classless
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:01 p.m.

    What Hall said was classless. There is nothing wrong with being angry about fans, but the University of Utah is not a classless school. I don't even go there and I would rather go there than BYU. Hall should get control of his emotions before he runs his mouth. I have no problem with him announcing his anger with the disrespect of the Utah fans involved in harassing his family, but a few fans don't represent the school. I have been to BYU games and Utah games and the games I have been too and the people around me. The Utah fans were more respectful than the BYU fans.

  • Mick Dundee
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:01 p.m.

    Poor, poor Ute fans. Boohoo. Maybe your "coffee" will make you happy. Hehe.

  • Randy Stewart
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:57 p.m.

    As a graduate of BYU, who has friends and family who are fans of the UofU, I am waiting for an apology from Max Hall. You do not speak for me or for BYU. Your words repulsed me and took the flavor of victory from me way too soon. I hope you are suspended and don't play in the bowl game, unless you offer a heartfelt apology and admit that what you said was stupid.

  • Ah, come on . .
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:57 p.m.

    For those of you who are saying that Max'x accusations can't be true because beer isn't allowed at RES--give me a break. Anyone who has attended a game, esp the rivalry game, knows that alcohol is smuggled into the stadium all the time. On 2 different occasions I have had a beverage spilled on me by a totally trashed Ute spectator sitting behind me. Not necessarily from malice but he was too drunk to hold on to the cup. Also the truly foul language and anti-Mormon epithets in front of my children forced me to leave. So don't even try to tell me that couldn't happen because I have been there. It does!

  • Al Gregory
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:57 p.m.

    When it's all said and done, its all about the legacy you leave. There will be unfair and disappointing things that happen to all of us. It's how we handle those inequities and disappointments that helps create our positive legacy. And as much as I like someone "getting real," it's all about the delivery. If Hall would have "told it like it was" with a better delivery, I would have liked his courage. But it doesn't take courage to voice your frustrations with poor delivery. In addition, it would have taken courage to say those things (with good delivery) before the game (and before the end of a career), not after. Hall's unbridled comments will only increase the intensity of wrath BYU fans and players will receive from the small minority Utah fans who are classless.

  • Cali Coug
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:57 p.m.

    Spoken like a true Cougar...we all hate utah, they are classless. Amen Max, Amen!

  • Re: David Clark, Alabama | 1:43
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:56 p.m.

    Well said...and thank you!!

  • Truth @1:42?
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:56 p.m.

    Here's an idea - you could stage a few of your friends in the stands at next years RES game and have them throw things at you, video tape it and then put on You-Tube after the game....(please note the satire in my voice - you can look up the word satire if you need to).

    Don't waste your video - having gone to Utah games for over 20 years...I have witnessed 2-3 unsavory events (both times the offenders were escorted from the stadium)...otherwise, the rivalry has been fun and spirited...no one will force you to come to the game...stay home and watch it on TV...as for me, given the chance to be in either stadium, taking some 'crap' from fans and watching great athletes play the best sport...I will be there!

  • Max made one mistake.
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:53 p.m.

    He said "All" of Utah fans. When he should have said " MOST OF" Utah fans need serious help.

  • reality check
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:52 p.m.

    Both BYU and Utah have good fans; however there is a Utah contingent (that may not even have anything to do with the school) that uses the game as a surrogate religous war. How would any Ute react if their parents were physically and verbally abused? As long as Utah fans tolerate that kind of behaviour in their misdt, they will be viewed as supporting abuse. As long as they rant that Max Hall is a "poor representatve of the LDS Church" for being angry that his mom was hit by beer; then you will come across as pompus and "holier than thou" (ironically what you claim to hate BYU for.) How exactly would you really react in the same circumstance? The solution is simple: stop playing the passive/aggressive victim (provoking people to get a rise then complaining you are a victim when you do) and stop tolerating abusive fans: then you wont have a nasty reputation. BTW: I went to the U - but I dont like being assocated with their fans; so I root for BYU, Weber, and USU. I am not LDS either.

  • I love this cont....
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:51 p.m.

    And utah fans, don't be so ignorant or naive (in other words, don't show your level of education) about beer not being soled at your stadium. Every year you can see large amounts being snuck in. I think stadium officials don't even dare stand up to the low life's bringing it in.

    To you utah fans that are LDS, don't be bitter just because you didn't get into BYU. I know that's not everyone, but I've sure seen quite a bit of that.

    Finally I think the coaches for both schools should have consider sending out a message about classlessness. Though I think for some fans, those words will fall on deaf ears!

  • Mindy
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:50 p.m.

    Highly disappointed in Max Hall's comments. He absolutely put himself in a position of being no better than the fans who "alledgedly" threw beer on his family. A trash talker like Max Hall misrepresents what both schools stand for but especially BYU! Max you represent BYU and your fooball coach and your fellow team mates and it is sad that you chose to go down this road! You obviously do not practice your religion! Forget reprimand from the Mountain West, I believe BYU should take a stand against bad examples! I never want my sons or children for that matter to witness or hear you comments! Shame on you Max Hall!

  • Tom in South Carolina
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:49 p.m.

    Let's hear it for the BYU fan I heard one year at LES for a BYU defender to "Kill him!!!", referring to the Utah ball carrier. Classless fans wear all colors, particularly in this case blue or red. No, he didn't pour beer on me, but the looks of disdain I received for wearing my Ute jacket were very telling. The weather (cold and snowy) was warmer than the greetings of the BYU fans in my section that day. The heat of the moment can be a problem for everyone - in this case Max Hall. I am sure today he is rethinking his words. Dumb, really dumb things for a young man to say to the press.

  • Re: Feel Better | 1:41 p.m
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:49 p.m.

    "I hope you sent those e-mails last year when the beer was thrown... but I doubt it"

    To send the email regarding the beer incident...crying_babies@utah.edu

  • Alex O.
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:49 p.m.

    It is sad that beer was thrown on his family; however, not all Ute fans are like that. You have classless people at every school, no matter where you go. For example, look at BYU: I now consider Max Hall to be a classless individual as well. He may have freedom of speech, but this violates BYU's honor code which he complied with upon enrolling (Respect...). After saying such things, I am disgusted and embarrassed that someone like Max Hall is there as an example, representing the LDS church. What a disgrace.

  • Re:Feel Better
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:47 p.m.

    for those who don't know:

    Tom Holmoe: lia@byu.edu
    Bronco: amy_holker@byu.edu

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:44 p.m.

    Forgive them Max for they know not what they do... At least they have an excuse of being drunk when they're stupid, what's yours?

  • David Clark, Alabama
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:43 p.m.

    I am not hiding behind a screen name! I am a BYU fan and have been all my life. While I can't know or understand all that Max Hall has had to go through nor what it would be like to have my family treated as his was, there must be consequences for this sort of behavior. It shows poorly on BYU, the football program, as well as the Church. I believe, although his last game in college, that Hall should be suspended for the bowl game. I believe the suspension should come from BYU so as to show that the University, the football program, and the Church will not support such behavior. The First Amendment has nothing to do with it. He is free to say what he wants. He will not be thrown in jail for it. But, as a representative of BYU, he is not free to say just anything and have no consequences. Living in Alabama (in Iron Bowl land), you Utah and BYU folks ought to be ashamed of yourselves for the completely shameful and unChristlike behavior that makes Alabama/Auburn players and fans look tame.

  • Mystery Man
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:43 p.m.

    I would be willing to bet that there are more abusive fans that cheer for the red team, but equal numbers of poor sports on both sides of this rivalry. I would also bet that some of those abusive fans are folks who don't belong to the moral majority in this state, and flock to the red banner out of feelings of frustration and opposition. Same feelings that Max expressed in the press conference.

    Unfortunately I think that this rivalry, as much as I love it, is probably not healthy for the state of Utah anymore. It is becoming more and more divisive and drives a wedge between mormons and non-mormons. The red team needs to clean up the abusive riff-raff at the stadium and the blue team needs to practice what they publicly preach (start with humility, sportsmanship, and a little long-suffering). If the vitriolic enmity on each side continues, we're heading for mutual contempt in our community that is beyond repair.

  • Emily T
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    You know what interests me, state law prohibits beer being sold at Rice Eccles. How is it then that his family got it thrown on them. I for a fact know I don't drink beer and I am a U fan. It goes both ways and BYU won yesterday. Luckily there were five extra guys playing for the Y in black and white, but still Max, you didn't need to run your mouth off like that! There is also such thing as being a sore winner!!!

  • U can't handle the truth
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    Max speaks the truth about Utah fan behavior

    Utah fans act offended

    Utah fans make plans to continue doing more of the same or worse next year in RES

    Word of warning to Utah fans:

    I'll be at the game next year in RES with video camera in hand; I'll be posting any beer-throwing incidents I capture on You-Tube after the game.

    If you'd don't want your behavior to be forever enshrined in the college football fan Hall of Shame, don't do it!

  • Re: Feel Better
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:41 p.m.

    "Sent emails to BYU AD Tom Holmoe, Bronco Mendenhall and ESPN news desk concerning horrible sportsmanship from Max Mediocre Hall."

    I hope you sent those e-mails last year when the beer was thrown... but I doubt it.

  • sad
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:41 p.m.

    Over 500 comments on this story about Max's comments. Too bad it is overshadowing another classic game. On the bright side it makes next years game interesting.

  • Funny Thing?
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:40 p.m.

    The Utes can do everything on this message board except deny that their classless. If the shoe fits?

  • byu fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:38 p.m.

    As a BYU fan I am offended by the poor sportsmanship by Max Hall, they just won the game and he talks about Utah and there fans. I have lost all respect for Max. this is a big black EYE on all of BYU and its program. THANKS MAX.....

  • Nice
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:38 p.m.

    DNews is lovin this! 500+ comments in such a short time. Nice game MAX. I hate Utah too but only in a "its just a game" sort of way. I am sure Max has reason to hate more. Yewts, quit whining, come back next year and put up or shut up.

  • Re: Feel Better. | 1:23 p.m
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:38 p.m.

    Thinking exactly that.
    What is Mr Holmoe's email address?

  • Grant
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:37 p.m.

    I didn't think the QB would stoop to that. It looks like he hates Pres. Monson who just a few weeks ago was givent the Ute Fan of the game.

  • Bob M
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:37 p.m.

    Finally!!! Someone at BYU had the guts to tell it like it really is. The u of U and Whittingham remind me of when school is let out for the summer....NO CLASS!!!

    But the Utes and their fans revel in taking their filthy behavior far beyond that.

  • an old timer
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:35 p.m.

    Shame on Max. I am sure he will live to regret what he said. How ever, If BYU played a sloppy game, then the Uts must have been worse.
    The thing I really enjoy in a win by BYU is having it come after the Uts are already celebrating and bragging how great they are and how they hate BYU. I love to watch the moncho ego disinpate from their's faces.

  • Max fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:35 p.m.

    What's the news?
    The guy is a 20+ years old with a microscope on him. He has a couple of bad games and gets chewed on by the U fan base and a chunk of the Y fan base.

    I've been a Y fan for 40+ years and thought U fans were classless my whole life. I am thankful for the 31 wins that Max has brought to the program and have enjoyed the ride. I'd like to see any of you cowards behind the keyboard stand up to the pressure and scrutiny you have put your young brother under while always having a glossy smile to everyone.

    Everybody out there, don't confuse the Church with an individual, he's not President Monson, JUST A FOOTBALL PLAYER.
    Thanks Max, I appreciate all the entertainment that you have provided over the years. I'm a huge fan and yes you are one of the best to play at the school.

  • Witt
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    It's about time a Cougar fought back. As another wrote, "You can only kick a dog so many times before it bites." Max bit back.

    What happened to his family last year was inexcusable. Don't say, "The same thing happens at LES," because it doesn't. Sure some BYU students’ occasional self righteous rhetoric bothers me, but not like the physical assaults perpetrated my family, or to Max's family at RES. 90% of it flies from Red to Blue and much of it is personal insult and religious ranker that if spray painted on a building would constitute a "hate crime."

    Most Utah fans are good, but institutionally the Crimson Club has become more than a love group for Utah Athletics, it has become a hate group for BYU. What University of Utah once stood for has been hijacked by a few low-life morons and arrogant academics who have created a new brand for what was once an honored institution.

    Now the battle belongs to University of Utah stakeholders to fight for their brand. Figure out what the University of Utah will stand for, because right now isn't anything worthy of praise.

  • Dear Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    I dare you to define the word 'classless'. But wait, I guess you already did during the press conference. And it's funny how you still have to bring up last year's humiliating loss after your big win.Congratualtions on demonstrating such class, you sure know it better than anyone else

  • A classy Utah fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    John 13:34-35

    34"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

    You are all pathetic. Show some respect for each other.

  • Gator In Utah
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:32 p.m.

    Can I ask you BYU and Utah fans a question?

    What are YOU going to do to help this rivalry get back to a state of civility?

    It will be interesting to see the response.

  • True Utah Fans
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:30 p.m.

    In discussing the comments from last night with my friends in the real world, we all pretty much agree with Max, Utah and BYU fans alike. We don't hate each other, because we don't act like the classless Ute fans to each other.

    While, we all pretty much think Max should not have said what he said, we all believe he had the right to say it and understand where it came from.

    My Utah friends hate the classless Utah fans too.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:29 p.m.

    Would you rather have beer poured on you or hatred?

  • Oh, Good Grief!
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:29 p.m.

    Apparently, a few so-called "BYU fans" on this board just don't get it. PEOPLE, BYU IS ABOUT MORE THAN FOOTBALL. What Max Hall said is truly embarrassing to what BYU stands for--or at least is SUPPOSED TO.

    No, most of us in blue calling for Bronco to bench Max Hall for the bowl game are NOT Ute trolls. We are actual BYU fans, disgusted at Hall's utter lack of class. If the reports are true, the mistreatment of Whit's wife and others are also out of bounds--every bit as bad as the alleged beer-dumping on Hall's family--and need immediate response.

    We are hoping that BYU will actually take a stand for sportsmanship and decency--not only in the case of Max Hall, but in this disgusting excuse for a rivalry.

    It's gone way too far. What will be tolerated next in the name of sports hostility? Do we need a fan-player fight or a soccer riot to help us understand that something--ANYTHING--needs to be done NOW to head off MUCH bigger problems if it's allowed to escalate?

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    I have been a Utah fan for years. I have personally been to rivalry games a both home fields and have stuck my neck out for BYU fans getting harrassed. I have also been verbally abused just as bad in Cougar stadium as a Utah fan as BYU fans are abused in RES. Sportsmanship is gone. And so is Max Hall.

  • Understanding Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:27 p.m.

    All Utah fans need to look at how tough it has been to play Utah. It has been humiliating and frusterating. It doesn't end at the game but the needless, endless, humiliating, and personal degrading things said about him throughout the year. I've never seen Cougar fans be so vehemently torturing to any Utah player ever no matter how horrible. When a Utah player is a thug, Utah fans say so what, he's an athlete. Good for him. When a BYU fan says he hates Utah, then he is a poor ambassador etcetera. This is a massive double standard. Utah will let their fans and players mire in the mud but expect some incredibly higher standard for BYU fans and players.

    I used to feel indifferent about this rivalry until I went to a game at RES. The anger, lowness, and mean spirited lack of sportsmanship is horrible. Then I kind of felt like Max Hall. When you are playing in a "pit of vipers" it is hard not to let a little of that venom in your system.

    With that said, Max needs to learn like many of us BYU fans to turn the other cheek.

  • re: Anonymous | 1:08 p.m.
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:25 p.m.

    "i would hate to be a zoobie fan at RES next year"

    in other words, EVERYTHING Max said about the despicable behavior of Utah fans is true

    --the beer showers
    --the vile language and gestures
    --the disrepect for opponents and opposing fans

    Utah fans, wake up and smell the coffee; all Max was state the truth, and quite obviously, U can't handle the truth.

  • Oh, and by the way...
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:24 p.m.

    ...BYU won. And it feels so so sweet.

  • Feel Better.
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:23 p.m.

    Sent emails to BYU AD Tom Holmoe, Bronco Mendenhall and ESPN news desk concerning horrible sportsmanship from Max Mediocre Hall.

    Max's behavior will have lasting repercussions...but selfish people really don't care.

    I guess the "building men not football players" didn't work in Hall's case.

  • Georgia View
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:21 p.m.

    It was a great game with a very exciting ending. Max Hall has been another great quarterback for BYU, however, it was ashame to make such a statement about all Utah fans. I believe Hall will regret what he said one day. I wish it wouldn't have happened. I attended BYU years ago and I am an avid fan but many in my family are just as avid Utah fans. We have a great time taking jabs at each other but always in good fun. While BYU is my team and Hall is our quarterback, I don't appreciate his all-inclusive comment about Utah fans that included my family.

  • Kyle
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:21 p.m.

    With this performance, Max Hall just clawed his way back into the Heisman race. Good on you max and way to tell it like it is.

  • History Lesson
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:21 p.m.


    LISTEN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    There are hundreds of comments on this post, but let's look at everything in perspective here!

    Max Hall says a couple of words, and everybody flips out. YET, and this is a very big YET, everybody still loves the rivalry!!

    Well let's go back in time to the first football game between the two schools. It ended in a brawl!!! An all-out BRAWL people! But that's what started the rivalry! Why is this rivalry rated one of the best in the country? It's precisely because of the added EMOTION that it's played with.

    So if YOU are going to keep HATING on Hall for his comments (which in itself is pretty hypocritical i might add) then QUIT WATCHING THE GAME!!

  • Re:To Max and all the Utah Whine
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:20 p.m.

    Utah whiners?? The extremely classy Max Hall won the game and STILL had something to whine about. He was just trying to divert the attention away from his career low game.

    I was okay with the outcome of the game at first because I thought Max Hall was a good guy and deserved to finish his college career with a good win....not anymore. Congratulations Max!! What an amazing demonstration of class

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:20 p.m.

    So, Max got his 15 minutes of fame and this is what he chose to do with it. Sad. More hate in an already hate filled world and the BYU collective supporting his rant. Very, very, sad.

  • this is football people
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:20 p.m.

    all you byu fans are defending halls comments saying how utah fans are the worst ever. you guys have no idea. you need to get out of your little bubble and go to a game outside of utah. you will realize a football game is not a place for family home evening. its not general conference. you just might have been pourn on you. and if you do there is nothing the university can do about it so stop blaming the entire utah program and go lose the vegas bowl

  • Re; Anonymous 1:01pm
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:18 p.m.

    If Utes had won the game, Max would not have had the forum to make the comments. As we all learned last year Max is a gracious loser, too bad he couldn't act like he'd been there before as a member of the winning team.

  • Lds football fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:18 p.m.

    Ok one thing for all you guys who support what he said. It wouldn't of been bad if any other schools quarterback said that. But this young man represents an entire church, a church that is supposed to be above hate. Max disgraced his school, his church, his fans , his team. In his rant about his hate for the *classless* utes he expressed a true void of class. He won the game, and to make comments like that is disticaple. Shame on him

  • Not about religion
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:18 p.m.

    To BYU-haters: this is not about religion. Get over it. You were beat fair and square.

    We understand that you were embarrassed by the loss, but don't deflect your pain by attacking free speech.

    Nov. 29, 2009 1:15 p.m.

    I am in utter shock that Max Hall would even use the H word. I am even more shocked that he seems to represent the entire football team, the coaches including Bronco, and whole university, and the LDS church. I thought Jesus taught to love your enemies.

    By the way Ute fans--Jesus also said, do good to them that hate you.

    Seems like there are no Christians in Utah.

  • Classless?
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:14 p.m.

    Max Hall wants to talk about class? What about the cougars storming onto the field at RES last year while we were honoring our seniors for their fantastic contribution to our program. I was at the game yesterday and I am not going to whine about the result. It would have been a steal if we had come back and won. BYU with the more experienced players were the better team. The rivalry banter was great fun around the stadium yesterday, it is a pitty that the headlines reflect the minority and the words of a very bitter quarterback.

  • We are Behind Max 100%
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:14 p.m.

    True BYU fans are behind Max.

    All of these poster who claim they are embarrassed are really classless utah fans possing as Y fans.

    Won't work.

  • Only in Utah
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:13 p.m.

    Only in Utah would someone be offended that someone hates them, and only in Utah would one disown their team because a player hates their arch rival. Come down to SEC country where all hate their rivals proudly, loudly, and not ashamed to hear it or say it.

  • Paul
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:12 p.m.

    Mr. Cougarfan,
    I am LDS and have always been a UTE, and will always be a UTE. Sadly, comments like your's "the U of U can never be the same caliber of BYU" is exactly what fuels the disdain that many have for BYU. Please come down from your lofty perch and start acting like we all believe we should. You and your comments are what perpetuates the dislike.

  • To classless Ute fans
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:09 p.m.

    You know who you are.

    Where were you when Gary Patterson said it was of prime importance for every player on his team to hate the opponent?

    You are pleased that Max Hall was defensive, because you goaded him on.

    You know you hate BYU, because you say so.

    You know you hate BYU fans, because you say so.

    You know Hall was right about you, and you are proud of it.
    And you are glad you lost again, because it's so much easier to be a poor sport when you lose.

    Sportsmanship in this rivalry went into the toilet with Urban Meyer and has not come out.

    I heard of no reprimand for Utah's fans for last year, though the treatment of BYU fans and families was abysmal. No statement was made by the university.

    Max Hall will be reprimanded, as he should be, but he's hardly the only or even the real culprit in a rivalry that's completely out of control.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:08 p.m.

    maxie just throw gas on the fire, then ran out of the room leaving the rest of the zoobies to deal with the heat. i would hate to be a zoobie fan at RES next year

  • questions
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:07 p.m.

    Who won the game? was it even a game? why didnt Utah show up?

  • I Agree with Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:05 p.m.

    I could care less about BYU or Utah; I live in Utah because of my job. Let's face it, every team has some idiots wearing their gear. But my experience has been that the Utah fans do tend to be "classless" more often than the BYU guys. The BYU fans don't seem to say or do much to draw attention to themselves whereas the Utah fans seem to have a special need to draw attention to themselves. They seem to be very insecure which is kind of funny since the football team has been to a BCS bowl twice and BYU has never been.

    My guess is that there was a lot less "liquid" being poured on Utah fans last night than there was being poured last year on BYU fans.

    Utah fans, if you see one of your own acting like an idiot DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Don't let dummies taint your reputation. BYU fans, do the same. You both are acting like rednecks.

  • Jake
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:04 p.m.

    Dear Max Hall,

    Before you make blanket statements regarding the University of Utah please remember that some great people attended school there including:

    Gordon B. Hinckley
    Thomas S. Monson
    Jake Garn
    LaVell Edwards
    Alan Ashton
    Stephen Covey

    and many more who have productively contributed to society.

    Maybe with a little luck and and some lessons in manners and sportsmanship you too can become a productive member of society.


    A classless Ute fan

  • New UTE
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:04 p.m.

    Ah...college football, where boys will be boys. Honestly, does any UTE out there really care if Max Hall hates us? It's a shame we lost sure, but I love our team, our seats in our stadium, our players and those of us who keep it classy, fun and enjoy a good rivalry. Move past it all. Silly words from a silly boy. It won't be the first or last time this will happen with such a strong dislike among the fans. I have sat in both stadiums and been proud and embarrassed by both.

  • BYU fans are classless
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    You got to be kidding me. We were at the game dressed in red and we threatened and mocked and taunted some guy even mooned us. We even got BYU sparkle dumped on us. Somebody's wife even clocked me in the mouth. Talk about classless.

  • s gavenman
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    needed to be said. They have been doing mean things to his family for years. About time he stood up for them. And he is 2-1 against those jerks. Good job Max. You are the best. Can't wait to see you in the NFL. I predict, 3 rd draft choice to the 49ers to take the place of Smith and show him how to play the position.

  • Utah fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    Wow, what a great representative for your school and religion BYU. You must be proud that he represents your team. I will always be a devoted Utah fan.

  • Third Level !!!!!!
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:01 p.m.

    Oh poor BYU fans. You get a little mistreated at the game. Now you know how all us Non-Mormons living in the state feel. Enjoy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:01 p.m.

    I wonder how outraged the u fans would be at Max's comments had they won the game. There's the real issue. U fans have taunted Max relentlessly for three years and now act surprised when he fires back. Hilarious! Those of you who didn't do anything to Max's family you know he wasn't talking about you. Unless you are one of the cowards that stand by and watch these things happen and do nothing about it all in the name of football. You deride Collie saying don't bring the church into football and then deride Max as a church member for saying something about U football fans. Which way is it???? Does the church belong in this conversation or not?

  • poor bitter max
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:00 p.m.

    its laughable how bitter maxie is because of his 15 turnovers last year and his mediocre career at B.Y.ZOO. no undefeated; seasons no BCS bowls; just a couple of lucky win against Utah and another vegas bowl. quest fulfilled maxie. Ha ha ha

    and do they even sell beer at RES, i just buy those caffeinated sodas

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:00 p.m.

    I dont side from either team but theUtes will remember that next season

  • No Sugar coating
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:59 p.m.

    I can appreciate Max's sentiments, especially after the beer fest shower his family received last year. I would sugar coat my feelings myself, but I can't blame him for holding some resentment against the USchool, after all it is an emotional issue for him and who has not wished BYU would get emotional about this rivalry and about this game. Truth be told I am sure he actually holds respect for the respectful and the deserving and was merely letting out the pent-up feelings of a year of abuse.

    In the end I am glad to see the Cougars "bring it". If you think Max is a bad QB, if you think Bronco is a poor coach, if you think the Cougars have a slow team, or if you think BYU just lives right and got all the calls and all the luck, none of that really matters. What happened is that BYU with their coaches and QB and all just beat another top 25 team. Max has a slew of school and conference records, as does Bronco. Go figure. They must be doing something right. How is it possible. And they are nationally ranked.

  • Henry Drummond
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:58 p.m.

    You fumbled it again Max. You've turned into everything you claim to hate.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:56 p.m.

    It's amazing to read all these Ute fans all riled up about being lumped in with the "small minority" who behave poorly. I have some questions for all of you who feel this way:

    1) where have you been for the past 2 years as your "small minority" have overrun the BYU centric stories with comments that far exceed "smack talk" and fall more accurately into the realm of nasty and vile, often directed personally at Max Hall?

    2) Where are you in the stands when your "brethren" are mis-behaving? Why aren't you standing up for what you say you believe is right?

    3) Where were you when a former coach disrescpected BYU by putting their logo on urinal cakes, and refused to use the name of their university, and a former player to vocalized his hate for BYU ?

    Only now do you show up to criticize, when it's directed at "your" team.

    BYU isn't the only team with some pathetic hypocrites for fans.

  • To Max and all the Utah Whiners
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:53 p.m.

    Again the Utah fans are poor little victims.

    Two years ago it was mean Austin collie who said the lord blesses people.... waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh.

    Now Max say he hates us. Why, we have only been kind to him and his wife. We have never said anything mean spirited, and our players played a clean game, without any punches or personal fouls, sob, sob, sob...

    Geez, you guys go after him for three years, cold, classless and mean.

    How dare he say anything about that.

    Max, we all have to deal with Uth fans at work. They earned what you said.

    When I hear them all cry tomorrow, all I need to ask is whether or not they hate BYU?

    All of the Utes posting they are BYU fans, take Hall out of the bowl game, nice try.

    All of they Utes posting they are BYU fans and are embarassed, nice try.

    Max, last night you had a tough game, but 0 INT and 2 TDs (Yep, outplayed the freshman whether the Ute fans think so or not.)

    You earned my respect last night, and earned it again after the game.

    Kick em when they're down. It's about time.

  • Brian
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:51 p.m.

    Win or lose the Utah State fans stay for everything. Those are what real fans are made of.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:50 p.m.

    Oh quit saying that only a few Utah fans are classless. I refuse to ever go to a home game at Utah ever again. I have been to both basketball and football and it is a horrible experience. It has been said that most Utah fans aren't that bad, then clean out the worst already. The level of profanity and the absolute hatred expressed towards BYU is deplorable. If the U wants this to be a good rivalry there needs to be respect.

  • Utah (wo)man am I
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:50 p.m.

    As a Utah graduate and a fan of Runnin' Ute football for 40 years, I have to admit that I also have been mortified by the behavior of many ute fans. I personally have witnessed obscene gestures, verbal assaults, and beer-throwing toward BYU fans who have done nothing to warrant such behavior other than showing up wearing BYU sweatshirts. This is a topic that should receive further consideration by the powers-that be.

    That being said, I was very proud of our team's performance. They NEVER quit, and in spite of Max Hall's comments, BYU's mediocre offensive performance combined with Utah's gritty play, the Utes DID deserve the win. Go Utah!!!

  • Amused spectator
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:48 p.m.

    I'm a fan of neither team, but it always amuses me how many so called "Christians" behave like beasts and get vile and nasty and justify their aggression all kinds of ways.

  • Max Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:48 p.m.

    You just went from 6ft whatever to 10 feet tall in my book. I get it, I get it, I get it.

    Awesome Job, way to go out on top and get the last laugh.

  • Byu Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:48 p.m.

    embarrased by Max Halls remarks. There are awesome fans at the U, and their banners hung out front of their stadium speak for themselves. Max, think before you speak. Good Heck.

  • Cheerleader vs Max Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:48 p.m.

    I have more respect for the Utah cheerleader pummeled a BYU fan that "attacked" him a few years back.

    At least the cheerleader defended himself against a thug fan. What did max do nothing he mouthed off after a win how much hate he has.

  • Realist
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:47 p.m.

    What Max Hall said was what has been thought by both sides of this rivalry since it began. Let it rest people...

    What strikes me more is everybody's criticism of the guy. All you hypocrites must be saying that you have never said that you hated anything about anybody else in your life, correct?

    The best sporting events are played with passion. That's what makes them great. Sure guys say some stupid stuff every now and again, but that's part of sports and rivalries. Quit blowing things outta proportion.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:43 p.m.

    I am not a byu or utah fan, but this is the attitude that makes people not like byu. Grow up or at least pretend you are an example to kids all over. What a poor example you are.

    Nov. 29, 2009 12:42 p.m.


  • We HATE You 2
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    Never threw beer at BYU fans but next year it will be raining root beer since every Utah fan knows better then to waste beer.

  • For You BYU Fans...
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    As a BYU student, and one who takes all those dang calls and mail about donating more money to the sports program there, this speaks very poorly of the program. When I donate to the Y, it is because it stands for something different than other schools. When a play takes that scholarship, and puts on that uniform, he is responsible for carrying himself in a way that represents the name of the school on that jersey. When Max was talking, he was talking as a representative of that school, not just for himself.

    That is why he should not have said what he said. If you don't understand that Y fans, you are truly a clueless and classless lot. Fortunately many of us understand that not always the brightest or smartest are the one who post their oh so well developed opinions here. There is no intelligence test to become a fan of any school. And for you Y fans who have stood up and condemned his comments, good for you for standing up for a higher standard.

    I absolutely love football - support it all I can. But what is really important needs to stay in perspective.

  • BYWho
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:38 p.m.


  • poor bitter max
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:38 p.m.

    its just laughable seeing how bitter maxie is about last year with his 15 turnovers and his mediocre career at B.Y.Zoo. no undefeated seasons no BCS bowls. just a couple of lucky Utah wins and another Vegas bowl. quest fullfilled!

    they don't even sell beer at RES do they. i've never seen it, but i just buy caffeinated cola beverages

  • Gator In Utah
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:38 p.m.

    And you wonder why we like Tim Tebow so much. We also win championships and have better TD to interception ratios. Way to secure your legacy, Brother Hall.

    Listen, I like all three programs (including Weber State) within an hour of my new home. But face it, yesterday was not a positive representaion of how good these programs are.

    Long way to mature before you get to the Florida and Florida State (even at 6-6) level.

  • just thinking
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:36 p.m.

    Seriously, if the table's were turned and the Utes won and the QB said that HE hated everything about BYU would Utah fans praise him or ridicule him?? Just something to think about.

  • Case in point: Cheerleader Gate
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:35 p.m.

    Right on | 12:00 p.m. Nov. 29, 2009
    If ANY Ute player or fan had his family abused, I guarantee they would do the same thing!

    NO WAY!!! I guarantee you if roles were switched the person throwing the beer would have some front teeth missing.

    Case in point:

    Utah cheerleader pummels a fan
    "Even our cheerleaders are kicking your butt."
    – Former Utah wide receiver Steve Smith

  • Deeper Advice for Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:34 p.m.

    Max Hall's actions and the true vitriol that seems to exist between students from both institutions even of the same faith is probably one of the main reasons that many in the LDS hierarchy want to get rid of organized sports at college institutions (see Ricks Collge/College of Idaho). You see one thing that Max forgot is that he represents more than just himself, his football program, his school, his coaches and his teammates. He represents his faith. He represents how sports is reflected through his faith. Not that BYU will end organized sports tomorrow but that day may come sooner rather than later if the athletes that represent our faith and the Lords University can't do a little better with this stewardship. Max, you're not an 18-year old kid, you are 24 or 25, a young man with a bright future but unfortunately you acted like a spoiled brat. You have been given the gift (despite your detractors from both BYU and Utah fans) to play football at a high level which has brought both blessings and responsibilities. You must rise to a higher standard that comes with these gifts.

  • Anyone Who Defends Hall...
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:34 p.m.

    ... deserves to have him be their QB. And guess what, those of you who condone his hateful comments--there really, seriously, and truly are true-blue BYU fans who have stopped cheering for Max Hall. I am one of them. Believe it. And I will NOT, as one of you suggested, "take a hike." Deal with THAT if you will.

    If Bronco REALLY puts his money where his mouth is, it'll be Riley Nelson leading BYU to victory in a bowl game while Max Hall watches from home.

    Enough is enough in this stupid rivalry. Hall went WAY too far. Any BYU fan still defending his comments should be as ashamed of themselves as Hall ought to be, but probably won't.

  • Eagle Mountain Utah Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:33 p.m.

    WOW Max. You are truely a classy guy. You must be the greatest BYU quarterback ever. Four winning seasons. A couple conference championships. Most winningest quaterback ever and a BCS game victory, oh sorry I forgot that did not happen. You will be remembered for being a mediocre quaterback at best and falling short of the quest, errrrr, being fully invested. At least Ty Detmer has a Heisman. Were #2, Were #2.

  • That's OK, Max.
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:29 p.m.

    You can rest easy, knowing that your school is one of the top 5 most hated schools in the entire nation. Hate all you want, Max, the feeling is mutual.

  • Deflection
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:29 p.m.

    A common trait of the guilty is to deflect blame away from themselves.

    It is easy to criticize a few comments by a QB, but how many Utah fans are asking their own fan base and university to stop their own bad behavior?

  • Penalties show Classless Players
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:27 p.m.

    Um, which team had by far more personal fouls?


    Which team's players showed less class?


    Which coach is responsible for this behavior?


  • Cougar Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:26 p.m.

    I am glad you said what you said Max, I have hated the Utes for years. (I have been spat on as well for no reason). I am delighted that B.Y.U. and the Aggies represent our state.

  • What a whiner, Max.
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:26 p.m.

    I just "hate" those darn, fetchin' Utes!
    Good luck in the NFL. Doh!

  • Hate
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:25 p.m.

    Clearly Max Hall does not hate any one individual. He, like many many others hates the rudeness of many (not all) Utah fans. And, since the university refuses to take action, then that disgust extends to that institution.

  • Exposed
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    Thank you Max Hall for bringing this subject to the media. Utah's bad behavior has gone on too long.

  • A few rotten apples,
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    like the people who throw beer, and of course, Max Hall himself, spoil the whole barrel.

    The rivalry will be better next year without ol' Max "Classy" Hall.

  • To President Young
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:22 p.m.

    When will you take action to curb this kind of behavior. I recall that more than a few times President Samuelson has asked BYU fans to show sportsmanship at games--and it has worked.

    When will you do the same?

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:21 p.m.

    As a Utah fan I proudly wore my red in LES. Throughout the entire game I was pelted with trash and bottles thrown by BYU fans. Grow up Max, your wife isn't the first to be hit with something at a game.

  • Horrible Sport
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:21 p.m.

    When Utah won 3-0 back in 2003 I think. I was a Ute fan in LES sitting in Red clothing among BYU fans. There was no animosity shown to me at that time. I was with my brother and my young nephew who are BYU fans. After the game while walking out of the stadium a BYU fan in a large truck intentionally cut me off several times as I was trying to walk across a road. The man sneered at me and didn't realize that he almost hit my young short "BYU fan" nephew. So should I generalize every BYU fan as Aggravated Assault perpetrators because one jerk couldn't control his temper?

    Max Hall is the epitome of poor sportsmanship with the added inability to control his temper, arrogance and/or tongue. Max Hall is a classless loser. Those that agree with him are also HATEFUL. That does not mean all BYU fans are like Max Hall.

    Max insulted every tithing paying Ute fan that assists him to go to BYU free of charge and play in new fancy Retro jerseys. Max clearly is a spoiled, hateful poor sport and he should be benched.

  • LDS Utah Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:21 p.m.

    Maxey Boy,
    I love the University of Utah. It is a wonderful school, and for your information people who are LDS go to the U. What you said last night was not classy, and your two year old tantrum was unreasonable. I mean clearly your team won. Duh! Why did you let out three years of anger and hate out the day your team beat the U? I would also like to say that Utah fans are classy. It was your fans who hit Kyle Whittingham's wife. That is MEAN! I mean shouldn't you be at least a little happy that you won? Think about it. Oh ya just saying I hate your guts, but I will get over it because I can do that. Hope you can too.

    Nov. 29, 2009 12:20 p.m.

    Max just said what every player and fan of either team thinks about the other school. Get off his back. People say he's chicken, give me a break, people who are chicken don't dare say anything. Good job MAX

  • Hate, the true family value.
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:19 p.m.

    Family first, hate a close second.
    Stay classy, Max

  • Guilty Take the Truth to be Hars
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:18 p.m.

    Thank you Max Hall for telling it like it is, and being fearless to say and give back what BYU has been subjected too over the years of rivalry. The U coach is a BYU graduate. How conflicted could that be? The U President is from BYU and the BYU Pres is from the U. WE have to agree to disagree.

    Why not we just put this behind us and get a life like so many have suggested? The U has been so vindictive outwardly. Now, finally someone puts them in their place. I say, it was STANDING UP for what Max Hall believed and I don't fault him for saying it. NO apology is needed. Maybe he was caught up in the moment, but lets move on people. All these comments are like the pot calling the kettle black. The U says it all the time about BYU

    The Savior would just say, "He who is without sin, can, may or should cast the first stone."

    Some wisdom here and now can we all just get on with our life and STOP? I am an alumni of both schools, but my heart is TRUE BLUE.

  • Question for Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:18 p.m.

    President Samuelson is a U grad--guess that one is not going to sit pretty with your school's president is it? What were you thinking? There is a difference between saying I hate a team in the heat of the moment over going after everyone associated with the school.

  • nfl
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:16 p.m.

    So where is the sugar bowl MVP playing nowadays? HAHAHHHAHAHAAH, he couldn't even make it in the UFL and there are only 4 teams, I think Hall will at least get on a roster somewhere, even j. Beck is on a roster in Baltimore, so I don't know where all these comments from Ute fans are coming from, your greatest NFL QB is Scott Mitchell for crying out loud. BYU has TWO super bowl winners!!! hahahahhahaha.

  • BYU fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:11 p.m.

    I find it quite interesting. Utah fans and players can say and do anything rude or obscene about BYU and nothing is said but when BYU fires back it's in the national news. What's wrong with this picture? BYU fans aren't perfect ( just like the whole world) but they strive for a higher level. If we're going to make a big issue about Max Hall's comments, then you should do the same with Utah. I've heard it and seen it but these comments aren't recorded because it's OK for Ute fans to say them but not BYU fans.
    Max Hall is my hero.

  • BYU Fan who also likes Utah
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:11 p.m.

    Max's comments were pretty stupid. Yes, I would be very mad if some Ute fans poured beer on my wife and mother, but I wouldn't say I hate the whole University because of it. Yes, Some Ute fans are very classless. But so are some BYU fans. Most fans from both sides that I know personally are great people with a lot of class.

  • b in co
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:10 p.m.

    really BYU fans?
    No one cares about BYU anywhere...period. The only people that care are in the mountain west, and they are despised here, I know that for a fact. It is laughable that these kids think they are missionaries for the church. Everyone knows they are the dirtiest players. Is that what you teach at your firesides? Do you teach the sick kids at the hospitals to punch, choke, and kick players when they are already down? What an utter embarrassment

  • Ute Grad
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:05 p.m.

    It is true, we are over the top rude.

  • Paul
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:03 p.m.

    I don't understand why Mendenhall stuck with Hall. He was always horrible when it counted. I am embarrased by Max Halls comments and am embarrased he is a BYU member. This is not what my university stands for. We stand for completly the opposite of what he did.

  • The proof is in the posts
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:03 p.m.

    These posts prove that there are classless fans (a minority). It also proves that there are classless players (a minority) and Max Hall is a classless player. No wonder he struggles in the big games. No wonder the team looks lost much of the time. Leaders need to be the best. Its obvious to me if Max Hall was a fan he would be the one throwing the beer (or root beer). I'm not a BYU or Utah fan but at the end of the game I thought "good for you Max Hall, you stood in there even though you had a bad game." These are two classy programs who played a great game. The final pass was almost picked...I wish now it would have been. Bronco should kick him off the team. Better to lose with a classy leader then win with a loser.

  • Matt Meredith
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:03 p.m.

    Shame on you Max. You didn't deserve the win, the defense won this game, not you. The true BYU fans are the ones who uphold the standards of the University and disply good sportsmanship. You will never be mentioned in company with the great quarterbacks like Detmer, Young, Bosco, etc., and all because you couldn't control your toungue. A true champion doesn't let his emotions overcome him. I hope you can be a man and admit how foolish your comments were and apologize to our friends and family who are fans of a fine university to the north or Provo. They don't deserve it and neither do we, the true fans.

  • Family w/4 RM's
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    Max Hall - thank you for your heartfelt comments towards the many members of your church who happen to be Utah fans, among them me and my family. How sad that you are so consumed with hate, that you lump all Ute fans together like you have. Please ask Bronco to explain your actions the next time he comes to our stake to give a little "BYU Football is Righteous" fireside. May you some day find peace. But know this, Utah football was always and will always be your nemesis!

    Nov. 29, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    Max Hall says that the Utes lack class? If Max Hall is representative of the tradition, spirit, and honor of BYU Football, then I want no part of it.

  • B-Jo Laing
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    Not wanting to hide behind a screen name, I have included it above... I am a former BYU fan, I have been a repented Wyoming fan since we moved to Utah in 1992 and I learned first hand how hypocritical BYU fans really are. Please note that while Utah fans are not excused in their unsportsmanlike actions, neither is BYU, fans or players. I understand being upset and angry about actions that are rude; however, airing those grievances publicily and placing the Church and its members in a bad light are excessivly in poor taste and uncalled for. I beg Coach Mendenhall to have Max Hall apologize publicily for his behavior and words from last night's news conference. He owes EVERYONE an apology and should have behaved with more class, demonstrating what a good player and representative of the Church he is held to be. He owes it to those youngsters who look up to him both on and off the field, some rolemodel...

  • Rob Adamson
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:00 p.m.

    Charming guy. Might have a concussion. Pretty sure if he played for Utah, he would be done. Be interesting to see how BYU deals with this.

  • Right on
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:00 p.m.

    If ANY Ute player or fan had his family abused, I guarantee they would do the same thing! how do you spell classless and hypocrite? U-T-A-H. Like the word hate has never come out of a Ute player of Ute fans mouth! And aren't a lot of Ute's LDS too? Yep, sure are. How classy is a HEAD coach, the face of the University, that calls for an onside kick while leading by about 40 points. Only one that I know of, and he's LDS right?. Pot calling the kettle black, right?

  • Max is the epitome
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:00 p.m.

    of everything I hate about BYU.

    He is arrogant.

    He is classless.

    He's a coward, (where were these comments before the game? If he really has issues, why does he not man up and deal with it rather than hiding behind a win?)

    He thinks his poop doesn't stink.

    He thinks that he can pop off and call the entire University with a broad brush based on the actions of a few fans.

    Well, Maxi boy, I am going to use your comments to paint all of BYU with the brush that BYU is arrogant, self-righteous hypocrites!

  • Ute
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:00 p.m.

    That's pretty sad, if someone has to go on about how classless someone or something else is, that shows that they don't have any class OR respect.
    He could have just been happy that they won and just gotten over what happened last year.
    Nobody except BYU fans cared about who won that game because the MWC title wasn't on the line, so everything he said was really uncalled for...
    But there is always next year for us to beat them.
    GO UTES!! :)

    Nov. 29, 2009 12:00 p.m.

    Hey Max,
    I am a die hard UTAH fan, member of the LDS church, teacher in the Aaronic Priesthood, and am currently working on my Duty to God, and after I first heard your comments my hate for you just intensified. But after thinking through it a little bit I realized that I would be just like you to go on having hateful feelings towards another school and their fans. I don't like you or what you said, but I'm not going to let your little immature comments ruin an amazing rivalry and game.
    I don't know what your problem is, but I'm sorry for you, for BYU, and for your fans. Because what you said last night just shows what you, your program, being a returned missionary, and a member of the church stands for.
    Thanks Max, I am so glad that I am not a BYU fan and have to put up with players like you who tarnish amazing victories. You have officially joined the hall of greats who let there mouth run: 1)Austin Collie, and now you 2)MAX HALL

  • UCLAFan
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    Neither team nor their fans have any room to talk smack about the other side. I've had hot dogs, ice, milk duds, etc thrown at me at LE Stadium while cheering for UCLA my school. What do they say about people who live in glass houses...?

    Nov. 29, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    I would like to thank Max Hall for reminding me that I would rather be a "CLASSLESS UTE" than a "CLASSY ZOOB" anyday! Thanks!

  • Vaughn Parker
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:57 a.m.

    RE: Maxie | 8:58 a.m. Nov. 29, 2009

    How did Max Hall get the last laugh? That statement is going to haunt him and the Y for a long time. Talk about locker room fodder--that kind of talk is worth a decade of pre game rah rah for Kyle and the Utes.

    It is old watching some BYU players and fans get on their high horses after a big win and be some of the biggest hypocrites in the world. BYU fans have to be some of THE poorest winners ever witnessed in college sports.

  • More details
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:53 a.m.

    I don't agree with Max's comments but I do understand his feelings. Apparently it has been far more than beer on the family last year. Another BYU coach (different sport) said all year long Max has gotten calls from Ute fans late at night and in early mornings to spew filthy unrepeatable comments. His family gets targeted for ugly jokes, he gets harassed by Ute fans continually - hence the "nasty" reference he made.

    And I'm sure Max, on a cooler head wouldn't made those comments - President Monson gave the prayer for the Utes in their locker room before the game. So it is too bad that the rivalry has gotten ugly. The MWC should reprimand Hall but include the Utes for all the ugliness they've been spewing.

  • haha
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    Hey Max, guess who is a UTAH fan? Pres. Monson. Yea thats right, he was honored dressed red at one of the home football games this year.

    I bet you hate him, and Pres. Hinkley too right? Since they and most of the first presidency is a UTAH grads.

    btw, RES doesn't allow beer. so i doubt if there was any beer tossing it wasn't much, or it was coke. Why dont you get over it and don't blame all of Utah fans.

  • well played and well said
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:51 a.m.

    i agree with it all

  • scodyshootfight (KC)
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:51 a.m.

    I'm like the others here that root for both BYU and Utah because I grew up in Utah and live in Missouri. I usually lean slightly toward BYU, but Max disappointed me. I know he got caught in the moment, but HATE is a very strong word, and to make a blanket statement like that was wrong. Sort of hypocritical to say the U is "classless" when saying those things in and of themselves is also "classless"

    Nov. 29, 2009 11:50 a.m.

    I'm so sick of everyone dragging religion into this. Max Hall does not
    Represent the church when he speaks. I think he went overboard with his comments because Utah has a great program that I have a lot of respect for and some great fans. But put yourself in his shoes. He has lived a nightmare for the past year because of a GAME. Are you kidding me people? Verbally and physically abusing someone and their family. Leave all this extra stuff out. Go cheer for your team, respect the other, enjoy a good game. Win and lose with class! When BYU beat Oklahoma this year, ok's fans treated us like guests and congratulated us on the win after. What a good example of a quality program. I wish all fans would act that way.

  • Thanks Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:50 a.m.

    Thanks so much Max Hall for reminding me why I will NEVER be a cougar fan, what a classy way to win!

  • Stinkstobewearinred...
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:49 a.m.

    PERFECT COMMENTS MAX. Utes deserved that. And to all you people saying "There are general authorities that went to Utah....etc. etc." Use your head folks...do you really think he was talking about them? Do you really think thats what he meant? He made a blanket statement but that happens ALL THE TIME. It's left up to your intellect to create the filter. Use your head Utes...if you came hear and we threw Caffeine Free Diet Coke on you AND that drink happened to be religiously offensive to you, you might make similar comments. Suck it up and "try" to beat us next year.

  • Jack, Murray UT
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:46 a.m.

    Hate is a pretty strong word, especially for something as silly as a rivalry between two universities. Sure, rivalries are fun and it's natural for there to be a little bit of contention, but "hating" the other school and its fans? Come on. That's a little bit extreme and, well, crazy.

    Lighten up and just be proud of your accomplishment. It was a job well done, but don't lower your standards like this and act like a mad little kid.

  • Ute alum
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:44 a.m.

    As an alum and former scholarship box season ticket holder, I stopped going to Utah games because many of the Utah fans (?) aren't about school vs. school, but anti Mormon. I still contribute to the U, and hold basketball season tickets, but I have not been to a football game their in the last 10 years. I do have season tickets to BYU football. I am certainly not alone. until the U cleans up their act, I and many others will not be going to their games. U vs. Y, I want the U. Anti-Mormons vs. Y, I want the Y.

  • Nevada Blue
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:43 a.m.

    I am a BYU fan. I have been for 32 years.

    After a year of harassment and dealing with the Utah fans that never let up I am glad Max told the truth. I am LDS and I am glad he told the truth. The truth is that Utah fans are great and have good sportsmanship when playing other teams and act like animals with BYU and frankly BYU fans are not nice to anyone. They were a little better this year in Vegas but two years ago I was embarrassed to be LDS.

    This young man told the truth. I am proud of him. Maybe the Church members could be as honest and it would cure a lot of the problems in the church today.

    I am thrilled that Utah did not fall out of the top 25 and I will be cheering for Utah in its bowl game as I will be cheering for TCU, Air Force and Wyoming. And Special Congrats to Wyoming and their first year coach.

    Now Wake up MWC and ask Boise, Fresno and Nevada to join up.

  • joelumpqua
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:42 a.m.

    Did he just interview for Glenn Beck's job?

  • For the record,
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:38 a.m.

    Beer is not allowed at RES and there is no mention on the blotter of any such assault. Max must be lying and or remembering wrong.

  • Definition of Classless
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:37 a.m.

    To "Let the Ute Whining Begin" -- Two situations:

    1. Some beer gets thrown on poor lil' Max's family.

    2. A large Y fan punches Coach Whittingham's wife in the lip and tells her to shut up.

    We all know whose "whining" is getting more air time, despite the disproportion of these two responses.

    Also, to Cougarfan:

    U fans don't mock Y fans because they are sober and church owned. They mock them because they profess divine intervention on the football field for living righteously. However, time and again, Y fans stoop to the same low levels as everybody else (or lower) and reflect very un-Christian comments and behavior. Don't put football next to sacrament meeting, you will always end up a hypocrite.

    P.S. Max Hall should be benched for the bowl game if there is any decency left in the BYU football program. His uncontrollable mouth reflects horribly on BYU, Utah in general, and especially the Church. Have a nice Sunday, Max.

  • Gary
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:34 a.m.

    Look on the bright side. This took everybody's minds off of Elizabeth Lambert. Maybe they'll run this on ESPN and the Today Show.

  • Max who?
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:34 a.m.

    I hope he got a degree. Cause a year from now he will be looking for jobs like everyone else. Every time we see his most wins against bad opponents no one will remember anything but a qb who didnt show up in big games. Now add classless to that resume.

  • BYU Student
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:33 a.m.

    Do you people understand that this "Beer" incident happened over a year ago! If you were upset, talk about it then and move on!

    To Barely win (no thanks to you), and then say this while representing your school is just classless!

    I a glad this was your last game in the season for BYU - Good Riddens, good luck with an NFL career... LOL

  • Bart
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:33 a.m.

    Come on 12 for 32 for less than a buck fifty who are you to mouth off after the game, your play is what kept the game close. Locker room talk in the media is freshmanish, not the actions of a senior who has played in several of these heated games. Leaving a stink on the program as you leave was fitting of your performance Saturday. When one pays for 4 tickets at a 100 bucks a pop and watch a quarterback play like you did, I'd hope you'd understand criticism is going to come your way, its part of the game. Face it your legacy will always be the winningest QB that choked in the big games.

  • Stenar
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:32 a.m.

    Typical, no class BYU.

  • insider
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:26 a.m.

    This situation has caused alot of PR damage to the LDS Church. Is it time to drop football? Is the game more important than the Gospel and sending heroes to the NFL? The General Authoritys need to consider getting out of the "college football" business. Eli Herring opted out of the NFL draft and became a High School teacher, he knew better.

  • He Is Salieri
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    Max will now go down in folklore as the equivalent of Antonio Salieri. Most commonly known, not for his accomplishments, but for tales about his inferiority complex and anger.

    He lost in the worst place, his head.

    He embarrassed half of Utah and offended the the other half of Utah. Time to head back to Arizona Max.

  • Perhaps...
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    Perhaps part of the problem with the rivalry is the fans who do not participate in the classless acts, but they don't do anything to stop those who are. I was at the game yesterday, and there were Utah fans here and there surrounded by Cougar fans. When a Cougar fan attempted to taunt one group of Utes, others around the area put a stop to it. They wanted to keep it a fun rivalry in our area.

    My problem attending these same games up north is that although the beer throwing and attempts to start fights are only done by the minority, I don't see many people putting a stop to it. If you don't do something to put a stop to the problem, do you become a part of the problem? I think you do.

  • What i think
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:18 a.m.

    The fact of the matter is both sides treat each other in unacceptable ways. I just love how everyone hates Max Hall for what he said. The simple fact of the matter is if any one of us was in his shoes and has been through what he has the last couple of years we would probably have a lot of the same feelings. Regardless of whether or not we would have said those things we would have had those feelings.

    So here is what should happen. Fans and everyone on both sides need to grow up and stop saying things that are inappropriate. Just read these boards all year long and its not hard to see Max isn't alone in his mean spirited comments.

    We all need to step it up and act like adults. If we as fans can't do it how can we expect our players to do it? Everyone needs to have more class and dignity. If you've said something mean about your rival you are just as bad as Max Hall! Point the finger at yourself instead of all the players (not just max) who hate the other team.

  • Eric #1 BYU FAN
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:18 a.m.

    About time someone comes out and says the truth, Max had every right to say what he did, with all the remarks said about him and everything done to his family. Max his a great QB and will go down with the greatest QB to ever leave the great campus of BYU. Thanks For all the great seasons MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO BYU

  • Re: wow, Pittsburgh Ute
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:17 a.m.

    How is Max classless?! I would think that getting beer thrown on his family by the classless Yewt fans was justification for his comment.
    A team is not just defined by its players, coaches, program, etc. A team is defined by its fans.
    Max gave his opinion and I agree with him 100%

    Daniel Johnson
    Salt Lake City, UT

  • Richard
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:16 a.m.

    I am a huge BYU football fan, but Max, not cool. Little kids look to you as an example. An apology to the Ute fans and organization are in order.

  • Why I can't Stand the Y
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:16 a.m.

    Thanks Max Hall for reminding me why I can never cheer for the Cougars. Bronco should set an example, and suspend him for the bowl game. I would be surprised if the MWC didn't step in suspend him. Next's years going to be fun. Good job Utes. For a rebuilding year, 9-3 is not bad. Max, for being a senior, you sure didn't show any leadership yesterday. Can't imagine Brian Johnson saying anything like that. What a spoiled little brat. Next year, Kyle will run the score up on you guys, when you have the freshman QB. Can't wait. You'll loose your bowl game anyway.

  • East Coast BYU Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:15 a.m.

    There is nothing classless about Hall's comments. I played at BYU in the 90s and the experiences I have had with Utah fans over the last 15 years have been unbelievable. Without any provocation my 5 year old kids have endured the ugliest language imaginable with religion and god mixed in. I stopped going to games in Salt Lake. And I am not from Utah. I'm objective about it all. When Utah went the distance and beat Alabama I felt hands down they deserved a national championship. I've been to Notre Dame, Florida State, USC, even Wyoming, etc and never have I seen the things that come from Ute fans. Having beer thrown on me is really not a biggie compared to the other things I have seen and heard. The question is? Does Whittingham condone it?

    Nov. 29, 2009 11:13 a.m.

    Byu football; first class fans, second class football.

    Enjoy vegas, and congrats on the win.

  • I back Max 100%
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:10 a.m.

    I dont know how many of you sat next to max's family last year at the Utah game, but I did. The sportsmanship was terrible in that stadium. It was amazing to me to see how his family gets treated over a FOOTBALL GAME!!! I have attended byu football games for almost 20 years and that was the worst sportsmanship I have ever seen demonstrated!! I know all fans arent that way, but the few really made up for everyone!!
    Great Season MAX!!

  • Thanks Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:08 a.m.

    I've been in Rice Eccles Stadium as a BYU fan and had a blind side hit in the back of my head by some coward. Classless fans! Truth hurts sometime Utes....as evidenced by your posts here!

  • Gig
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    What Courage Max! saying what you said afer you wont have to face the Utes ever again. Why not say it before the game? or after last year's thumping and beer incident? It took you four years and knowing that you would not have to play another Ute again! Wow, you are my hero!!

  • Watching and Waiting.....
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:03 a.m.

    When a recruit visits Mendenhall's office, the coach has them read paragraphs from a Hinckley talk on the mission of BYU that Bronco has highlighted with a yellow marker. The conversation focuses Bronco's expectations for the athlete's Character and conduct - honesty, integrity, honor and respect.

    At the beginning of the year, Oregon dealt with Lagarrette Blount's unsportsmanlike conduct swiftly and decisively. Since then, the program has thrived.

    Bronco, Holmoe and Samuelson - now it is your turn. What message are you going to send?

  • Max Lover
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    I back up Max. Not his best game but he got the W over all Utah's excusses. Great season and Great Carrer. GO win a bowl game!

  • Sid Miser
    Nov. 29, 2009 11:01 a.m.

    Max has his reasons for his comments, I guess, but he didn't need to air out his feelings to the media. The hatred between Ute fans and Coug fans reminds me oF Church basketball tournaments. I've seen bishops calling out bishops and quorum presidents engage in fisticuffs with quorum presidents. It is disgusting and must stop.

  • bshelt
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    So I guess the term "turn the other cheek" only applies to true christians and not BYU "Mormons". I am LDS and now understand why many people don't like BYU Mormons. They live in a bubble and live by thier own rules. If you're going to preech our religion to the masses then start living the pricipals in every capacity. Max Hall and the fans that are ustifying with his coments need to sit down, look in the mirror and decide who they want to be and what they truely stand for.

  • CTMac
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    Oh please, the only ones offended by his comments are the classless Ute fans (truth stings) and the immature Ute fools posing as “disgusted” BYU fans.

    Ute fans, and yes, the majority, are absolutely classless. It doesn’t matter though. The Utes are back on their normal path of mediocrity, and all those Ute “fans” will be hidden in the shadows from whence they came pre-2004.

  • Father of Three
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    Well thank goodness Max "I Hate You" Hall is giving lessons in how to be classy. By golly "hate" is as classy as it comes. I'm sure glad my boys heard that. What a guy.

  • Ute Posers
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    I love all the Ute fans on here acting like BYU graduates saying how embarrassed they are.

  • Max Fan No More
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    What classless way to top off an average performance over depleted Utes team. So much for being gracious in victory. I wonder, would Max Hall include in his assessment all the General Authorities that graduated from the U and remain fans of the team? A PERFECT example of everything that's wrong with this rivalry.

  • hopperdog
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:56 a.m.

    BYU will never bench this nearly washed-up loser for the bowl game. Winning football games is more important to the fans than is exhibiting the type of Christian behavior they supposedly believe in.

  • Marc Probst
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:56 a.m.

    Generally I do not post - but as apparently a classless person (which also suggests my wife, children, father, mother hmmmm - several prophets and general authorities too are classless) this is one I simply have to do.

    I was at Lavell Edwards Stadium on Saturday and had a great time. Fun atmosphere - other than a couple BYU fans that I needed to educate in manners (they were cheering Jordan Wynn getting hurt and to their credit apologized and were great the rest of the game) - the fans were terrific. Yeah, they rubbed it in when BYU was up by 14, but they were pretty humble when the U tied it at the end. I had a great time.

    On the other hand Max Hall showed his maturity (or lack of it) - Utah got into his head in 2008 and it is clear they are still in his head (shown through his performance on the field and inappropriateness off the field). Life is long - unfortunately for Max our memory of him will not be great football - it will be for defining "classlessness".

    Other than Maxs' idiot statement - it was a fun day (only would have been better if the U had won).

  • RE:Anonymous | 8:09 a.m. Nov. 29
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    That doesn't excuse him. My son (he was younger at the time) and I were pelted with popcorn and paperwads while attending the Notre Dame game at LES. There were lot of abusive comment aimed at my who was 12 at the time. It's funny because when I complained about it I was labled just another anti-Mormon "hater".
    Max Hall just racheted up the religious divide in Utah. But then from what I've gathered since moving to Utah was that Mormons "Hate" non-Mormons anyways.

  • Elderly Cougar Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    After being a class act, it has all gone down the drain. Andrew George will always be remembered for the 2009 finish but there will always be "an ah but" associated with Max Hall's name. Not a good way to end a career! Bronco has tried hard to build your image, so much for that effort.

  • Hilarious
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    Hilarious how Utah fans are so upset about Max saying the same thing Ute athletes have said on many occasions! I've heard more crude and vulgar chants from Utah fans than any other fan base. I've attended games in SEC and Big 12 stadiums...including some intense rivalry games. Those fans cheer loud but they have class and are respectful of their capable opponents. Utah fans are classless. I'm relieved that Max Hall finally said it how it is!!!

  • Rich F
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    Just read through all the comments and am a little surprised. To me this is serious what happened to his family last year. Besides the beer being thrown on his family I can only imagine the vile things that were said by people willing to throw beer on a stranger because they cheer for the opposing team. Everyone of you out there know that if your family was treated that way you would go down swinging to defend and protect them. IF this was done to my family I too would have to take a lot of time to forgive and forget. His only way to get a little revenge after all this time was to win this game, (The appropriate way to get his revenge I might add) he did and his emotions were high. Put yourself in his shoes, I too would be very fired up. I'm not speaking for Max just speculating how I would feel, what I would do.

  • Honestly... Who cares??
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:48 a.m.

    Don't blame the church!!! It wasn't the church it was a guy who obviously doesn't realize he will be working at Home Depot or Walmart with no career in football. I have never enjoyed BYU or the U because of the way the fans treat each other over a game. LDS, not LDS.... Who Cares?? I love Football and always will, last night I watched bits and pieces and sorry Max... you didn't play all to well. Buck up and complement your team and keep the stupid comments to yourself. You made yourself look more classless because we don't know if your wife was covered in beer last year.. We know you have bad sportmanship.. Fans will be fans and obvioulsy say what you want but really... Max played bad and said what he said. He will play in what ever bowl game they are invited to. Hopefully lose and Max can go work a job where he will be forgotten and BYU and U fans can continue hating each other...

  • Alcohol is not allowed
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:48 a.m.

    Alcohol is not allowed in Rice Eccles Stadium folks. Just FYI. I don't know where all of the folklore is coming from.

  • Steve
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:41 a.m.

    It's funny that people are arguing about who has the "best" or "worst" fans.

    Obviously Max Hall is wrong (or he is not serious) in calling the entire university classless. How can he generalize to such a large group of people? There are what, 30,000-40,000 people at the U, not to mention all the alums, etc.?

    I also don't understand his logic in saying that Utah didn't deserve to win because of what their fans apparently did last year. Or is he saying someone directly associated with Utah's athletics department harassed his family? I just don't understand.

    He was obviously just emotional. These are not rational statements. If they're more than that, then I think he has some issues.

  • Jason
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:39 a.m.

    I am a loyal Ute fan and a faithful member of the LDS Church. I have no problem that Max Hall feels the way he does. I think it is a bit extreme (do you really hate every person at the University of Utah? I doubt it). My problem is that he let it leave the locker room. Anyone who has played sports where media is involved (I have) knows that this type of talk stays with the team. No reason to make it public as it only detracts from your win, makes you look bad and causes difficulty for your teammates and coaches. Max - learn some discipline. It will serve you well once the camera lights are off and no one cares about you anymore (which is likely in the near future since you have no football career of substance ahead of you).

  • Get A Clue
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    To classless "yewts": (NOT intended for classy "Ute" fans)

    Your hypocrisy is amazing.

    You disparage Max Hall all year long, ridiculing him, mocking him, making fun of him in private and in public, wearing shirts that try to humiliate him, bravely posting under such names as "Anonymous" and then act all offended when Max Hall has the guts to look the cameras in the eye and tell you straight up he doesn't like you.

    Translation: You can't continually, purposely poke someone repeatedly in the eye and then rightfully claim hurt when that someone finally punches you in the face.

    Get a freaking clue.

    And, lest anyone think that Max Hall only had unkind words for "yewts", remember he also said he was angry towards fair-weather BYU fans, too.

    With all the garbage that Hall unnecessarily had to wade through in the last year he showed remarkable restraint by throwing out less than a hundred words, NONE of which would get your mouth washed out with soap.

    So lose the arrogance and "hurt". What goes around, comes around, and you got off way too easy.

    Dan Maloy
    Enid, OK

  • It was not in the heat
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    of battle. It was long after the game and he had plenty of time to think about what he was saying. So this is the kind of young man that BYU selects as a leader? Mr. Hall did more to tarnish what BYU and Mendenhall is trying to build than any actions of some fan somewhere. Grow up, Mr. Hall. Maybe you can leave Provo now and get a fresh start somewhere else.

  • seriously?
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:35 a.m.

    How is it that EVERY BYU fan has had beer thrown on them at Rice Eccles Stadium? That is a lot of beer thrown in a stadium that doesn't even sell it.

  • mpg993
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    Maybe Max can go do community service at the UofU to make up for his statements.

    Maybe all the classy Ute fans out there can send Max a card/gift to congratulate him on the win.


  • Luke
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    Max said what others think. That is that U fans are
    classless. I realized that 30 years ago, and it has
    become more evedant as time goes by.
    Way to go Max and good game too!

  • Matt G
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:33 a.m.

    Just because it's the "Y" doesn't make them all Saints does it!?
    Nor do they act like them!

  • Don't use the "H" word!
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    I am a Ute fan and I am offended by Max Hall's comments. However, I do not hate him. I don't know him well enough to hate him. And he doesn't know me well enough to hate me either. He doesn't know that if I had seen someone trying to abuse his family I would have stopped it. I find that type of behavior offensive as well. I think that whoever did that should be prosecuted. I think that the BYU fan that punched Mrs. Whittingham should be prosecuted, but we shouldn't attack all BYU fans for his actions. Hate is a dangerous emotion, and shouldn't be a word that we use so carelessly.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    I'm sure byu fans would dump beer on opposing fans if they could drink it!!
    On another note I think it's pathetic that online comments of people "hiding behind a screen name" can actually bother max hall. Hahahahaha

  • Hall's Legacy
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    Max, you are right, guys like me behind computers can take cheap shots and do more than often. As you grow up and mature, you will realize that to even get a shot at D-1 football, a lot of things have to fall in place in your life.
    While I have not been in your shoes, I have also not had the coaching, resources and backing to be in your position.
    I was happy you went out with a win, but your comments betray your selfish nature. I had beer thrown at me at a Utah game 10 years ago, I still fume thinking about it but I would never take it out on an entire fan base. Grow up and enjoy the CFL if you are lucky.

  • chacha2313
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    max shouldnt of said that and they need to bench him in the next game

  • chacha2313
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    i think max just did that because he was mad that he did horrible in that game, he only got 12 out of 32 throws caught.it is okay to think that but you just shouldnt say it out loud.they should bench him for the first half of the next game.

  • LOL
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    It is funny to see all the people sit back and judge Max and to call him names for....judging and calling names. Cut the kid some slack. EVERYONE makes mistakes his just came in front of TV cameras. Dont judge, show some compassion.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    Max was completely entitled to say what he said, if what he said about the U. Fans and what they did to his family, Max Hall can say whatever he likes
    All BYU fans who are disgusted, please explain why?
    this is not classless, he had every right. They messed with his family and he can say whatever he has to. Anyone who said that this was classless and rude, fits right into his category of an untrue fan

  • Henry
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:23 a.m.

    I am a huge BYU fan and I hope Max Hall calls a press conference on Monday and apologizes. If he doesn't, Bronco should do the right thing and suspend him for their bowl game. Those comments ruined an exciting win for BYU.

  • Proud of you
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:23 a.m.

    Someone had to say it. We all know its true. Finally, it is in print!!!!

  • LDS Ute Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    I was a Max Hall fan, but not now. He paints all Utes with a broad brush and fails to give respect to a team who nearly beat him. BYU and Hall were one lucky break away from losing this one.

    I hope Hall throws 5 int's in his bowl game. I'll never pull for him again.

  • BIg D
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:20 a.m.

    This game has nothing to do with the LDS church! This is football. BYU won and it's a big rivalry, who wouldn't rub it in their faces? GO COUGS!!!!

  • Lex Watterson
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:16 a.m.


    I suggest you read about Tim Tebow on espn. Contrast that with your own off-field behavior.

    For the rest of us, I suggest we hold ourselves to the standard we are holding Max Hall.

  • Ross
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:11 a.m.

    Hall has a lot of growing up to do, it is only a game, how we treat others is more important than any game.

  • Embarrassed by fans
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:09 a.m.

    You who are 'repulsed' or 'embarrassed' need to grow a spine. Max has been attacked for a year + by Utah fans...verbally, on message boards, in articles, signs, bumper stickers and so on...he makes one comment and now he's the devil? He said what he felt and no one should be deprived of that right. If the media wants to broadcast those words, then it's up to them.

    Grow some thicker skin folks, Max just said what he felt...refreshing honesty.

  • Seattle Ute
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:09 a.m.

    Max, there are classless fans on both sides and there are also plenty of decent, knowledgeable football fans - even at the U.

    Considering how close the game was and that BYU might very well have lost this game, I think Hall's comments were out of line.

    Either he will live to regret what he said or he will need to grow up a whole bunch if he expects to play in the NFL.

  • mad max
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    what another great game. I'm lovin it.

  • I also hate Utah
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:03 a.m.

    I agree 100% Max! I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE U!

  • Max Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:00 a.m.

    Good going Max, I mean he might have gone a little overboard with the whole organiztion being Classless thing but, I mean throwing beer at his family, that is classless. Even Ute fans have to admit that. And I don't think there is anything wrong with him hating Utah and everything about it because I think you talk to any Utah Player and they probally hate BYU just as much or more as Max does, I think Max's emotions just got the better of him that night.
    Oh, nice win for BYU, I was there. Atta Baby George way to kick those Utes Butts and dash your way to the endzone. And Utah, your quarterback needs to learn to throw deep, he had like five touchdowns if he hadn't overthrown them. Utes lost, Cougars won, and hey we totally had the better team this year, and next year, and next year, and for the next 20 years. So Utes you can't beat the alltime greats the BYU COUGARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Gordon Hill
    Nov. 29, 2009 10:00 a.m.

    Max, thanks for helping me remember why I cheer for Utah.

  • Beer? Really?
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    Rice Eccles stadium does not sell beer, and anyone that is caught with an alcoholic beverage is removed. They also do not allow any outside food or drink in the stadium, except for one bottled water per person. This is straight out of the fan guide, and this is an NCAA-mandated rule.

    It's time for the embellished stories to end. The "accounts" of Ute fans pouring beer on BYU fans need to end. If someone spills their coke, whether accidentally or intentionally, please do not turn it in to a beer throwing incident just to make it sound worse. Please, let honesty prevail.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    "Those who do are richly rewarded by the outstanding school that makes BYU the best school in the country."

    I needed a good dose of humor to start today. Utah may have vast expanses of land, but the minds and canyons can be very narrow.

  • I heard this already.
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:53 a.m.

    I heard two U players this week say something very similar on talk radio, the difference? It was Max Hall and in front of a much larger audience. It's a rivalry and it should be this fierce. Yeah he could have PC'd it a little more, buy it's done. What if Brian Johnson had said this last year? The U fans would have been echoing support all over these blogs. There should be no discipline and it should be forgotten until next years game. Bring it.

  • BYU Student
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:49 a.m.

    I am ashamed to have Max Hall represent BYU. His rampage last night was un-called for. I hope BYU and the NCAA do not turn a blind eye to his in-appropriate behavior. Sports are about sportsman like conduct on and off the field. Those of you who support Hall and his comment are only adding to the problem. Hall was out of line last night, and he needs to learn to get himself under control. I'm very saddened for Hall's family and the pain they will have to endure due to Max's actions.

  • astroboy - utah fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:48 a.m.

    I actually think its fine that he hates the U and everything surrounding it. Beer showers happen, and he obviously has a right to be.

    But you would have thought the heat of the moment would have been last year when the beer was actually thrown, not a year later. he didnt say anything because they lost. And im wondering if he would have said this stuff if they lost this year, probably not.

    But what I find funny is him calling out utah AND byu fans for criticizing him. Look at his numbers and he deserves it, from both sides. If you are going to be a D1 quarter back, if you're going to step in the spotlight you have to realize that you have to take the good and the bad.

    The truth is that the guy cant take criticism, and is using the win as a shield for his own lashing out, much the same way people used screen names to critisize him.

    bravo Max, what a baby.

  • Pot Meet Kettle
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    Guess he wanted to be remembered for his words rather than his play. Can't blame him really.

  • Woah!
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    For all the deriding comments I have heard about Max Hall coming from Utah fans (personal friends of mine, active LDS) I'm surprised you care what Max says or thinks. You send your cute little text messages making fun of him, carry your "I intercepted Max Hall" signs (even though you've never set foot on a football field in your life) make disparaging comments about him on internet message boards and these blogs and then act surprised when he fires back! Motes and beams said it very well....look it up a few pages back.

    Ute fans, you know he didn't really mean EVERY BODY AND EVERY THING he was talking about football. Quit trying to be the martyr when you share the blame.

  • cougarintexas
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    Always a cougar but root for both schools,what a great game and to see all of papers and talk about what Max said, it will be hard for him to live this down.

    Very sad at his comments, Bronco should make him sit out the bowl game,

  • Mike Robinson
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:41 a.m.

    I graduated from BYU and later from the 'U'. I studied along many loyal Ute fans and enjoyed our rivalry. I am a loyal BYU fan but do cheer for Utah in the post season and when it helps BYU. I was disappointed in Max Hall's performance in game but more so after the game. All Ute fans are not classless, most are as respectful as most BYU fans. Pres Samuelson and his family are members of the Crimson Club. They are not classless. It's just a game. Don't denigrate a fine university because of a few overzealous fans. I would hate BYU to be judged by our overzealous fans.

  • Less vitriol
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:41 a.m.

    Interesting that the Deseret News ran an article earlier in the week about how many BYU players wished the rivalry had more civility and less hatred. They seemed to blame it mostly on fans. Max Hall showed his true colors with his classless remarks. I am all the more disappointed because I am a BYU grad and Cougar fan.

  • NB
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    What do we expect? Football receives an incredibly disproportionate amount of our society's attention. These guys are conditioned to think this stuff is a matter of life and death, honor and courage. Poor guy will remember his comments for the rest of his life. (As he should if he has any amount of self-respect.)

  • June
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:36 a.m.

    Max Hall has shown us what classless is.

  • Tyler
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    I hate Max Hall, but I kind of like that he said it. Today sports are too friendly, Kobe and LeBron hug each other after every game. What happened to the days of rivals actually hating each other? I am for this. . . Go Utes

  • He probably shouldn't...
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:28 a.m.

    ...have said that, but he's right. Rivalries in and outside of Utah have become ugly, which is no fun.

    Society as a whole, for that matter, has become mean and abusive, and it should stop.

  • A Fan in France
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    What's with the athletes in the final minutes of the career. Max Hall's comments make about as much sense as Zidane headbutting Marco Materazzi in the last few seconds of the 2006 World Cup Final. Max may feel OK about his comments today, but ask him what he thinks in 20 years. Really dumb!!!

  • He is just as bad...
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    Max Hall after those comments is just as bad as the Ute fans he is talking about. Many people have said it. There are a few that ruin it for the rest so get over it Max. Get over it Ute fans. Get over it BYU fans. It's a game!

  • Cats
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:24 a.m.

    I attended both universities and I know whereof I speak. MAX IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. However, I wish he hadn't said it. It just fuels the fire and encourages a lot of IMMATURE, UNHEALTHY people in their behavior.

    Max has had to put up with a lot and he had just had years of frustration with these people. It just all came out. I don't blame him for feeling that way. MANY Ute fans are classless and tacky. It's a sad fact and anyone who is honest will admit it.

  • Midwest BYU fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    The classless in a group will always standout - Always. Utes have a growing number of classless in the stands. That group prides themselves on the different lifestyle and feel the need to advertise it whenever possible. I just don't see how the LDS Utes can be LDS Utes, but I didn't grow up here. I would be so mad that half of my fan base is there because they want to be a part of something that isn't associated with the Mormons. I would be fine with that but they want to put it in your face in certain settings - including college football games.
    Max - you went overboard, but having a year to listen to that and remember the way your family was treated at RES, it came out last night and it's fine by me.

  • Good win for the Cougs
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    First, congrats to the Cougars for being the better team last night. Second, when I was a twelve year old kid, my family and I were sitting behind the goal posts when Yorgensen kicked the 55 yarder to win in Provo. That led to a torrent of Cougar fans showering us with their soda and awful language. I remember feeling a good amount of hate for a number of years toward the faithful blue because of that instance. Several years later, after transferring to BYU following my freshman year at Utah, I realized that the incident involved the vocal minority, and that the majority of BYU fans are great people. The acts by the vocal minority Utah fans from a year ago (and every year) were reprehensible, and such fans should be banned from ever participating. Nevertheless, Hall's words are missplaced and uncalled for, as were my feelings of hate when I was a kid. To make a blanket statement that all Utah fans are the same - when the majority, like Cougar fans, are great people (and fellow Utahns) - is irresponsible and immature. He sounds like a 12 year old.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:17 a.m.

    Some of you are absolutely ridiculous. I was at the game. I was surrounded by Utah fans. SURROUNDED. The whole game everyone was completely civil, treated with respect, and after the game heard MANY people go to the Utah fans to wish the "good game".
    BYU fans by the 99.999% showed total class the entire game. Yes, Max Hall went to far in his comments without question, but do not forget two things:

    1 - He's saying this because Utah fans went WAY WAY too far in their post game antics last year.

    2 - Paul Kruger said almost the identical thing last year before the game, when GameDay covered the "Holy War". If Ute fans say Hall has no class, then you apply the same to Paul Kruger, right?

    To everyone who wishes the game was more civil on both sides, good game. Good game Utes. Your D was stellar. BYU just had a bit more in the end. See you next year.

  • Max should have said
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:17 a.m.

    "I can't stand them." Or, "I don't like them in the deepest sense". This is really what he meant and should have said instead. My family had a saying whenever we used the word hate...'hate is a very strong word to say'.

    It is too bad as being classless is not merited because of other classless acts (beer throwing on his family). Yes, both not very classy.

    Maybe both fanbases should grow up from this and take the message and realize it has gone too far! If not great soundbits like these will continue in the future and we will all have something to fuel our own selfish fires.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    GREAT comments Max! I will be a fan of yours forever, beacuse someone (you) finally had the courage to stand up and call out the truth about the yewts!!!!

  • Old Cougar
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:11 a.m.

    Max should of keep his feeling to himself, because he represents the School. However, the concessions at the Ute's home lead to " beer showers" and profanities not only shouted at the team but the Church. I love the " Holier than Thou" comments, those idiots do not realize how many good LDS student athletics are on the Utes. So, much of this stuff is personal and emotional and just feeds the hatred.

  • smurfturf
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:09 a.m.

    Max will never make it in the NFL his career is over but it was a nice win and good luck to Utah and BYU in the upcoming years as they face a true championship team Boise State.

  • What a coincidence!
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:08 a.m.

    I, too, hate Utah fans and everything about them!

  • Harmon the reporter?
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:08 a.m.

    Hey Harmon,

    Where is your take? I thought you were a columnist, not a reporter. Where is the condemnation of these comments from you? Meh, I wouldn't expect anything less from you than to keep silent on this.

  • Rudy
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    Both teams make visceral comments like these; one hopes that his/her team has the players/coaches that will stay a notch above that level.
    If Max felt the need to make such strong comments, I would like to have seen him make them prior to the game. It takes more of a man to make a statement when the conclusion is still in doubt rather than to stand over the defeated with clenched fist. As physical as this game was, it would have been brutal had he made those remarks building up to the game.

  • I have a lot of friends that...
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    are utes fans and as friends they are great but as ute fans they are exactly what Max explained. I wouldn't have said it, but I do agree with Max.

  • Dave
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:02 a.m.

    While hatred is a stong word and coming on the heals of a close victory, it makes the win a little less polished, even more than what it already was. However I have to say I hated this week, I hated this game and I hate so called Deseret Duel. I hate the rivalry because it brings out the worst in people, not all people, but still if you look at these message boards you can realize that fans do hide behind screen names while throwing hatred vile at the other team. It happens on both sides. Max said what he felt, and he did so after that game so not to fuel the Utes during the game. Was it classless? Yes. Is it something I a BYU fan want to hear from a QB, no. But I also hate most Ute fans, because the arrogance of them. I have a friend who is a Ute fan and we can talk football not trash to each other. That's the way it should be.

  • Way to go Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:02 a.m.

    You just embarrassed your whole football organization, your school, and your church. And you did it all after a celebration of BYU's national championship, a tough win, and a great season. I'm a Y fan, but Max just lost my vote. Way to go Utah for having a great game and managing to show good character. I'm ashamed to call myself a Y fan if my team is going to act like a bunch of whining babies after a good game.

  • sideliner
    Nov. 29, 2009 9:02 a.m.

    We all know which Utah fans Max was speaking of. They represent the Utes don't they? Personal fouls on the field hurt, don't they? Those few represent the team.
    If the shoe fits, wear it!

  • Maxie
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    I love the fire and emotion. BYU wins. I was very disappointed in his game performance, but he regained my loyalty after the press conference. He is a proud man and felt justified in quieting all his vicious critics. Utes are mainly upset because Maxie got the personal last laugh. Bring it on next year.

  • Hall will regret...
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    ...that these words will be remembered longer than his BYU winning and passing records. Max missed a great opportunity to handle a big win with grace and go out with respect. Unfortunate.

  • No Way
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    Max apologize? for What?

  • re Lew
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    Oh Lew, you know you weren't going to root for him anyway.

  • Robert Johnson
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    Hall just showed the nation what a low class hypocrite he is. However, I won't project the lack of class that he portrayed to the other BYU players of its fans. What a sad little man.

  • No more
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    I've stood up for Hall when I've heard people make disparaging remarks about him. I've stood up for Bronco when people call him arrogant. And I've stood up for BYU when people talk about the attitude of both players and students.

    Never again.

    Max Hall's remarks typify everything I've heard said. This is an attitude that is bread among the students and players and among the coaching staff. I ignored all of the signs until now. Now it's out there and I can't deny it any more. BYU really does have less class.

    What poor sportsmanship and a poor reflection on the school, the team, and sadly some in my faith.

    I'm glad Max is done. Congrats on the win, and congrats on losing a fan. This is really disappointing.

  • football mom
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    I'm sorry - Max won, Max is a senior; he deserves his time. Way to go!

  • Nathaniel Ellingson
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    Did I throw beer on you? Did I spit on you? Am I classless?

    It must be true, since I am a Ute fan.

    It's called prejudice, Max, and it is what turns a heated but friendly rivalry into one that is fueled by hate. Way to go.

  • Paula
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:48 a.m.

    Whether you're a Ute fan or a BYU fan (and I am a Cougar fan), Hall's comments were tasteless, rude, and inexcusable. High emotions, past offenses, whatever are never an excuse for poor and classless behavior. There is such a thing as taking the higher road-congratulate your team and the opposing one on a job well done and move on. Unfortunately for Hall, I fear that these comments are what people will remember him by, not how he played the game. With these comments, he has little room to call the U "classless."

  • Lesson From Teammate
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:47 a.m.

    Take a lesson Max from your teammate Jan Jorgensen who chased Bryan Johnson down the tunnel in 2007 so that he could tell him "great game". That's what it's all about. Yes, the Utah fans (and BYU for that matter) can we jerks but we all know that Kyle, his coaches, the university have class- even if they are our hated rival. A classless organization doesn't BUST THE BCS 2 times in recent years. Max is not the face of BYU football...

  • To Whom it may concern:
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    Way to go Max, just stating facts, even if they had a little spice to them. As the old adage goes: "If the shoe fits (UTES)...Say what you want about Max this and Max that, If my wife had beer dumped on her, and was verbally abused by classless Ute-fans both at the game, and for months afterwards thru insulting text messages and a never ending barrage of insults thru the media and comments as we read here and for the last year, I would have said the same things! A 31-7 record, with 2 out of 3 against the UTES aint bad at all!

  • Thanks Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    Good for Max Hall. I'm glad he stood up and said what most of us already think. All the Ute fans are just mad because the truth hurts.

  • VC
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    But remember, Jonny Harline is STILL open!

  • History Nut
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    Yet further evidence that sports does not build character but does reveal it.

  • ncp
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:39 a.m.

    No one will read this blog probably. That is ok.As a fan I am happy this game has come and gone. We all have disappointments. We all wish that we hadn't said something or done something. The reporters asked the question and Hall's mistake was being honest in front of a microphone.
    My respect for Coach W of Utah went up as I watched him talk to one of his players about causing an unsportsmanlike flag.
    The timeing was bad for Hall. Now the Utah bloggers wiil have a field day and forget that both teams played hard and no matter which team won, they would have been lucky to do so.
    I make this my last ever blog on a meaningless site.

  • fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:37 a.m.

    Great job coaches! on both teams! loved the game this year! I root for both teams every year except when they play each other, I am a BYU fan then. I attended both Universitys. But my family had the same problem as did Max's, the language, behavior and yes we too had beer thrown on us! We no longer attend their games, but it is because of a minority of UTE fans that we dont! Max I'm sorry but that was wrong to lump them all together. Maybe next time you will choose your words better, have'nt we all wished we had from time to time?

  • Congratulations Max Hall,
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:37 a.m.

    On finding a way to win in a hard fought, close contest with your rival. You didn't play your best game, but played well enough to get the victory. I mean this as a compliment; I know it wasn't easy.

    However, as a BYU alumnus, returned missionary, and active LDS church member, I am disappointed in your post-game comments. I hope most people recognize that you were speaking for yourself, and not your team, school, and church.

    The tone of this rivalry is going in the wrong direction. While any number of fans from both schools will use your comments to worsen the animosity between the Utes and Cougars, I hope your words prompt a larger number of us to re-evaluate the significance, or lack thereof, of this rivalry, and behave better in the future.

    Good luck to both teams in your bowl games.

  • Poor Little Max Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:34 a.m.

    Poor little Max Hall. Did he cry as well? Can someone give him a hug, a glass of milk and a warm cookie, his special blanket, and then tuck him into a nice long nap. Who knew he was so fragile.

  • john
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:31 a.m.

    I used to HATE ALL Ute fans... But I now know some so I only hate All, but a select few..

  • tru-blu
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:30 a.m.

    You tell them Dr. Speck. Speak out now while someone might listen because tomorrow no one will care.

  • What a joke
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:28 a.m.

    All the comments are stupid! He said he said they did you did. Really who cares! Everyone needs to grow up!

  • Give me a break
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:26 a.m.

    # 1 - UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED IN SOMEONE'S SHOES and know what makes up who he is, you have no right to judge that person - NONE! We will all face the judgment seat some day and that "discussion" will be with a much greater power than you or I.

    #2 - People are always clamoring to know what the athlete REALLY feels. Well, Hall just told you. Looks to me like you are damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    #3 - After all the hatred spewed from up North FOR YEARS - by non-LDS (which is understandable) and particularly LDS members alike, No doubt Yew fans will play the "holier than thou" card again. What a bunch of hypocrites.

    #4 - What does it really matter what Hall thinks? I am sure Yewt fans are gong to be losing sleep over this for years. At least Hall was honest and told it the way he sees it.

    #5 - For what it is worth, I know there are a lot of good people at the U so I DO NOT hate the University of Utah. I do, however, hate the typical U of U football fan.

  • BYU fan for life
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    This is just one mans opinion, I use to be an usher at the U many years ago and I never had one time there that I wasn't disgusted by a lot of U fans. Since then I have been to the stadium to watch a Y and U game and never left with out being hit by some thing and not only once each game. I now this happens every where but to me seeing fans as a worker and observer, most of the U fans and just about all the Wyoming fans are the worst I have ever seen. I have yeld at Y fans for being rude and bad fans. I wish to take care of my side. I wished that would happen at the U. Many snowballs have been thrown not only at other fans but at players as well. Max was being nice when he said classless. I love the rivelry but I have had a few friends and family that I would put in the U classless catagory. Max said what a lot of people feel. I wished that we all could be classy and it would make it a better game.

  • DH
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:24 a.m.

    An example of what is wrong about this rivalry. It is about hate, about religious bigotry, about everything rotten in human beings. Much of what Max said is true only it applies to fans of both schools. It is a shame we cannot just enjoy sports.

    The behavior of players on the field and fans and players off of the field is what is truly pathetic.

  • Hate to Hear it
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:23 a.m.

    You can hate the fans and the players but I felt that hating the program went a little far. We all do and say things we wish we had not later. I'm just glad that mine wasn't broadcast via the media! I have been a Max Hall fan but now it only has to do with his athletic ability now. Being a fan of his charachter just got flushed. Be a better sport in the future Max and let go of the hate. Hate will only drag you down in life and will damn you in the next.

  • Max shows why he is not a winner
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:19 a.m.

    Enough said.

  • Wah Wah Wah
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    Memo to Ute Fans: Admit it. You hate BYU, and we hate you all too. Someone said it on camera? OH NO! Can't take it? Your team came out taunting, punching and now you are whining. Classless is exactly right.

  • BYU Fan not Max Hall Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:10 a.m.

    Max plays right into the Ute fans by his comments. I am embarrassed by his comments. I expect BYU to come down on Max, and would not be surprised if he does not play in the bowl game as a result. The team and the church are more important than an individual spouting off.

  • Embarrassed
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:09 a.m.

    Frankly, I'm embarrassed by all the Y fans who are embarrassed by Hall's comments. You people need to grow a spine. Hall's comments were calm and collected, and not the result of a raving mad emotional outburst. He has an opinion about Utah, and he has a right to hold (and express) that opinion. Beer throwing on his family was just one example he cited, the list goes on.

    There are some bad BYU fans, yes. But for individuals with an iota of objectivity, the scales are not equal. The ranks of these fans are far higher and more repugnant at Utah than at BYU. Period.

    Congrats on the win Cougs, and thanks for keeping it real Max.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:09 a.m.

    Maybe what we should do is to cool down just a little bit here. There are two sides to this story. A year ago, Max Hall's wife was abused while at RES (beer thrown on here, verbally assaulted, etc.). What husband wouldn't be angry and want to say exactly what Max Hall said. He was right but probably still shouldn't have said it. I know of many, many incidents where BYU fans have been abused by Utah fans and probably some vice versa.

    Let's see if both universities can enforce some good behavior so that no one feels threatened at a game--that should be the focus here--make it safe to go to a game at either stadium, don't reprimand someone for saying what any normal person would say in a similar situation. Of course he was angry, look at all the personal fouls Utah got (6)--that says alot about their poor sportsmanship. I recall the 2005 BYU-Utah game, during the warmups before tge game the Ute fans were throwing punches at the BYU players as they came out onto the field to warm up. Wow! Hall was spot on.

  • A littany
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    This is just a littany of BYU players and Utah players who have made stupid immature comments over the years. Yes, it was stupid, but get over it and move on. In my 50 years of following Utah and BYU football I have heard similar comments by Utah athletes. I have vulgar heard epithets thrown at BYU, even in our own stadium by Utah fans also.

    Too bad this is what Utah fans will remember him for.

  • Hey Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    Big deal. You almost lost a game to a freshman with 2.5 games experience...Did you feel scared until that last throw?

  • in his shoes
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:07 a.m.

    Put yourself in his shoes. If that would have happened to your wife and mother, you might be making the same comments. I know I would.

  • Calling on Bronco and BYU
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:06 a.m.

    to take action on Max Hall's comments.
    I expect that he will be benched/suspended for the bowl game.
    And, public apology from him is not enough and will not be accepted.

  • John Patten, South Jordan
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:05 a.m.

    An enjoyable game that could have gone either way. I was truly disappointed with the comments from BYU's quarterback. After four years at a great university you would think he would have learned something more than he apparently has. In the whole scheme of things, this game doesn't amount to much but it's to bad that Hall will be remembered more for what he said about another fine university than his accomplishments on the field.
    "Grow up Max, the real world is just around the corner."

  • Y,Ute,n Aggie fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:01 a.m.

    Your all a bunch of complainers. From the nazimormons who think there is no room for emotion to the cry babies up north. It was great football game,could have went either way, leave it at that.

  • Relax
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:01 a.m.

    First of all, Max did not say that he was speaking for the University, Church, or even any of his team mates. He used the singular "I". I really doubt there is a single one of us that have not used the word "hate" to describe our general feelings about something...in fact I would bet that many of you who are on your high horse over this have used the very same words to describe your feelings towards your rival. Just because Max Hall does it on TV everybody gets their shorts in a wad over it? Relax everyone...and he that is without sin let him throw the first stone. Why do so many (both BYU and Utah fans) have to turn this into a church thing? IT IS A FOOTBALL GAME!!! GO COUGS!!!

  • BYU Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 8:00 a.m.

    What Max said was unfortunate--generally sweeping generalizations like that are off the mark. I'm glad BYU won, but I wish thoughts like this would stay unsaid to stop fueling the bitter animosity in an otherwise great rivalry. Good job to the Utes for a hard-fought game.

  • Miracle Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:59 a.m.

    Max pulled off a miracle as a sophomore QB and now he's pulle off another one. He deserves to tell the truth about U and, since he's an outgoing senior, he can finally express what most of the rest of us feel.

  • Joe
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:58 a.m.

    He said it the way a 24 year old means what his says about his rival. "We are going to 'kill' them - or "we will tear their heads off" they are not going to die or lose their heads - it's said in the heat of the battle -

    If we didn't "hate" each other it wouldn't mean that much?

    I don't hate TCU - which is why when we play them every second of the game isn't life altering. It's what makes this game great - we "hate" each other.

    Tonight Ute fans hate BYU and Max - not because of what he said but because your stomachs hurt, and you can't sleep - you are the big losers. You "hate" us - admit it - you do. That is what makes this fun - we "love" this game, we look forward to it, wait in the cold for tickets and then go horse cheering against each other -

    The "Love/Hate" relationship. Life is fun because I get to "Hate" U. Now it is even better because I know how much you must really "hate" me

    And "self righteous" BYU fans- relax on all the apologies you sound lame.

  • Haley
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:57 a.m.

    As a BYU fan I'm amazed at the careless rant. In the future, keep your mouth shut. It's one thing to walk away from a game with class and quite another trash talking the other team. It only makes the whole BYU team appear arrogant and self centered. I'm just flabbergasted that this was said after an awesome win.

  • Mike
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:55 a.m.

    Way to go Hall. Couldn't have said it better! I echo it, every true cougar fan should.

  • Jacob Hess
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:54 a.m.

    WHO is classless, Max?

    As will be apparent to both BYU and Utah fans alike, this comment says far more about Max Hall than it does about the University of Utah (or even BYU).

    As a life-long BYU fan, I say 'congratulations' Max Hall, for winning a game that no one but you will remember in a year, and for saying I'm-still-in-3rd-grade things that everyone (especially the Ute fans) may potentially remember for much longer.

    How grateful all cougar alumni must be to have someone represent our university and fuel so well the (equally ignorant) stereotype of BYU's arrogance and ego. After rooting for your team all my life, I honestly wish the Utes would have spanked you. That's what you do with little boys, you know?
    DONE with BYU football,

    Jacob Hess, Salt Lake City, Utah

  • Y alum & fan; not Hall fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:48 a.m.

    I love BYU - the school and all that it does and accomplishes. But I must apologize to the U fans, players and coaches for Max's terrible behavior. I compare my feelings towards him now to those I had towards Carlos Boozer this summer - an embarassment to my team and I want him gone. There are good and bad people on both sides of this rivalry. It shouldn't be called "Holy War" since 1/2 of Ute players are mormon, 1/3 are returned missionaries, many of the coaches are (and came from Y), as are many of their alum, including friends and family members of mine. I bleed blue, my dad was cosmo, but I hope Hall is reprimanded by MWC and that Riley Nelson starts the bowl game.

    We're a religious school - significantly hindered by the honor code in recruiting. We shouldn't have nat'l championship expectations - we should hope to have a winning season and compete for conf. championship. The rest should focus on being a great university and arm for the church.

  • Speaking of classless
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:45 a.m.

    I'm a BYU fan, and a Max Hall fan. But his statement about the U and its program was classless.

    I expect an apology in the near future, when his bruises and aches have a chance to heal a little.

    He's too classy a guy to go out on such a classless note.

  • Don't Worry Lew
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:41 a.m.

    Hall won't be in the NFL for long, if at all

  • Kristi
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:37 a.m.

    As a member of the LDS church, this whole thing saddens me.

    I am sorry that there were Utah fans that threw beer on Max's family while at RES, but I believe Elder Wirthlin also attended that game, as did many other people who would never dream of doing such a thing.

    I personally have heard hateful things said to me because I am a Utah fan and a member of the church, and it is usually at church that these comments are made.

    I won't be sorry to see Max Hall go. And yes, this rant will be his legacy.

  • Seriously?
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:33 a.m.

    Seriously, where were all you Ute fans prior to 2004? I never saw any Ute apparel and you couldn't even sell out your stadium when playing the best teams on your schedule. Now, all of the sudden, all LDS haters and rebels jump on their bandwagon and disparage BYU as badly and as classlessly as Hall did Utah every day. Hall simply did it on camera. I can't say that I like Max much and I didn't like his comments. But let's be reasonable, those who are really offended by his comments are only offended because they hit to close to home with them. Otherwise, they would be written off as rantings from an average player. Go Riley Nelson!

  • Classless...MAX
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:32 a.m.

    He will have about as much success in the NFL, as John Beck, Ty Detmer, and Robbie Bosco...Good luck Max....you have tooted your last horn........

  • Belva Parr
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:32 a.m.

    I am not a sports fan of either school. However, Mr. Hall does represent a university that should be above the intense hate I felt through the TV when I heard his words. It is a black mark for the LDS church I love so much,which teaches tolerance and good sportsmanship. The negative rises from both schools. I understand rivalry, but not hate. Mr. Hall should remember the good program and school he represents. He really messed this one up!

  • Cambridge
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:30 a.m.

    Hall redeemed his legacy with his arm, then threw it away again with his mouth. No Max, apparently you, not the U, are classless.

  • Al
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:26 a.m.

    Yes Max Hall owes an apology for what he said, but before you get too high and mighty and all full of sanctimony look back on your own behaviour. If you are holding somone else to a higher standard than you are willing to live than you might owe some apologies too. Max has been the constant target of mean spirited comments for years from many of you. I hope the Utes and Cougs both make good showings in their bowl games. I see too many comments on both sides of this thing that are an embarrasment to the people of Utah and the MWC. The pony tail yankers of this world get far too much attention.

  • Eugene
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:25 a.m.

    While Max was out of line in the crass generalizations, there is truth in what he said only towards certain unclassy Ute and Cougar fans.

    Some Ute fans in the stands around me were rude and beligerant. Others were well behaved. One group of fans were taunting the Cougar fans for reactions. I was proud that no Cougar fans would respond during the game until the last play when they all turned and let them know that the Cougars had the last thing to say on the field.

    Max has received vitriolic criticism over the past year and felt this was his way for revenge. Like it or not, he said it. Only he can feel apologetic or not now.

  • Morgan Scalley can relate...
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:25 a.m.

    Before you Ute fans get all crazy over the very guy you've been razzing for a year ( I think it's funny for all the stuff you said about Max the past year, you're acting surprised he said this), someday interview Morgan Scalley and see if he can remember his quote his senior year. He was in tears when he described how much he hated BYU.

  • Judd
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:21 a.m.

    I find it interesting how offended some of the Ute fans are of Max's Comments. Having read these comments for a long time I think a few classesless ute fans think they have the right to say anything that comes to their mind. The can be extremely rude and vicious in their comment about the church, BYU , BYU Football.To those of you have made hateful, hurtfull comments about BYU over the years. Maybe it time you shut up and did a litle soul searching. You are probaly the ones yelling the loudest about MAx's comments. This would be a good time for everyone to calm down and stop all of the vitrol on both sides.

  • Utah drunks
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:19 a.m.

    The difference between BYU jerks and Utah jerks is the alcohol intake. Utah security completely looks the other way when guys are drinking out of flasks while waiting in line to get into the game.

  • utwingnut
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:17 a.m.

    I've said things in the heat of the moment that I regretted later. I wonder if those castigating Max hall can say the same thing?

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:17 a.m.

    I hope the national press gets this story...Tim Tebow brother Hall is not!

    I saw the punch that was thrown at Jacobson...the Utah player should not have done it and was appropriately called by the officials. I also saw three BYU players in his face in an attempt to elicit such a reaction. They were successful. I guess this was pay back for the personal foul Hall drew last year for going after Krugar.

  • Re: Walter Mitty
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:15 a.m.

    The big bad media is to blame....right. It's called personal responsibility, take responsibility for your actions (or words). I'll bet many families of players on both sides have been mistreated but I haven't heard them go off like Max did. I don't think the media will have a problem covering an apology made by Max.

  • Clueless
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:13 a.m.

    Typical Max. Plays a mediocre game but mouths off. Listen I for one have played the game on the college level and know that emotions get the best of you. He will e thinking differently today and will probably regret the words he spoke. The Utes are great club and so are the Cougars. This is what makes rivalry a great game. Hall should really think about his comments though and keep them in. Yes, fans get out of hand and yes Ute fans are obnoxious but so are cougar fans. Lets just have the rivalry and continue with great games like the past five years.

  • Chicago Perspective
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:08 a.m.

    Wow, thank you to Max Hall for disproving a long-held belief. Apparently, sticks and stones may break my bones and names really do hurt me.

    Fascinating. Does it really matter what Max Hall thinks about the U?

    I guess so.

  • Unfortunate
    Nov. 29, 2009 7:05 a.m.

    As a Ute fan, as much as I don't like BYU, both sides (players and fans) need to maintain control of themselves. It is a gosh dang game! Its sad that sportsmanship and play on the field has been relegated to un-sportsman like comments by Hall. College football has forced teams to disrespect their opponents and run up the score to show their dominance and quest for a BCS berth. So sad, now days no one cares about sportsmanship "lets get to a BCS game by running up the score!"

  • Ute Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:59 a.m.

    Sad that this is how Hall's career will be remembered. Cougar fans can only hope he doesn't get suspended for your bowl game for his classless post game comments.

  • Embarrassed Cougar Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:59 a.m.

    Frankly, I’m repulsed by his comments and the negative attention that he is bringing to the University and indirectly to the Church. Max Hall sounds so much like Sarah Palin when he talks about BYU’s true fan base that did not criticize him. Perhaps he has a future with the Republican Party.

    I hope Riley Nielsen starts in the bowl game.

  • A hope
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:57 a.m.

    I hope that someone sits down with him and helps him understand his emotions and their repercussions. I feel confident that will happen.

    I wish I had hope that that would happen to more than just him.

  • Disappointed
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:55 a.m.

    What a stain Hall's mouth put on a much-needed victory.
    But reprimand him? Na. His career is over already -- one more game, then it's off to some mundane job for him. He has been mediocre, if not poor in all his big games in college, and that rules out anything in the pros. (Well, maybe Arena football . . .)

  • Bear Lake
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:51 a.m.

    Max hit the nail on the head. There were numerous yewt fans that did horrible things to BYU players as they left the field last year. I just hope those things didn't happen to the yewt players when the Cougar fans stormed the field. He expressed my feelings for the yewt fans. Nice job, Max!!!

  • Robert Petersen
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:49 a.m.

    There are class-less fans on both sides. My church (LDS) and my Savior teach me self discipline. Why is it that players for the "Lord's school" are always making hateful comments. You would expect this from mindless fans on both sides. When was the last time a Utah player said something like this? Maybe this lack of moral discipline is why the cougars will never win a BCS bowl and continue to struggle at the Vegas Bowl.
    Robert Petersen, North Ogden (Real Name)

  • Ute Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:46 a.m.

    Stupid things can be said in the heat of the moment. I encourage my fellow Ute fans to let it go. We had chances to win and didn't do it. I actually think our offensive play calling and penalties were at fault. I was proud that they came back from 14 down in the 4th.

    As for Max, congratulate him, forgive him for his comments and get ready for next year.

  • byu fan/ utah fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:37 a.m.

    I have season tickets to both byu and utah games. I have cheered for both teams all my life. So what what Hall has said makes me is very troublesome to me. The classless fans from both sides of the ball is very troublesome. If both programs do well it makes both look even better. But the way people act and what they say can sure turn one off. If we want to be seen thoughtout the nation as being a power. we need to be united because we need each other.

  • DeepintheHeart
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:25 a.m.

    Maybe both schools and the Utah media need to dial it back a notch. The Other Paper was running a story about anti-Mormonism at the U prior to the game. What does that have to do with football? I'm sorry Max had to be quite to all encompassing in his alleged hatred for all things U of U, and I think if pressed, he would concede it was a bit over the top. I understand the anger at Ute fans throwing beer and abuse at his family, and that deserves his contempt. But as a Cougar fan, and alumnus, I think Utah nearly won that game, and if they had, I would have said they deserved it for their comeback. I think the BYU defense was awesome, and I credit Hall for that OT touchdown pass.

  • Interesting
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:21 a.m.

    As a BYU fan Max Hall never convinced me he was that great, and this rant confirms it. Good ridance, hope he can handle himself in the real world outside of football.

  • BYU grad
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:18 a.m.

    Hall should be reprimanded. I know a lot of people who are great Utah fans, and I also know some classless BYU fans. There are in both places, sadly.

  • EngineerUTE
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:15 a.m.

    The MWC should fine minimum hall and byu for all of the BCS bowl money they received from UTAH WINS! Let's see how much they really hate UTAH.

  • Mac H
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:14 a.m.

    Hall is right!!

  • St. George opinion
    Nov. 29, 2009 6:13 a.m.

    I am a fan of Utah and BYU when not playing each other and I am a fan of great football when they play each other. Every school have their share of dirt bag fans, but to categorize an entire school, organization, players, coaches, fans and alumni as classless is over the top!! Max, its fine to hold animosity to those that victimized your family, but stop it there!! You will have a long and miserable career at the next level (if you make it) if you don't learn how to handle your less than stellar games, your negative fan base, the media that can eat you alive or be your best friend and your own ego. Your comments cut deep to the core for those of us that support both teams and love great football. Do the right thing and apologize for your remarks. It could be your best play of the day and certainly one the media will show on the highlight films.

  • The Difference
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:53 a.m.

    I think there are classless fans on both sides. . . the difference being that BYU fans condemn the classless behavior. Utah fans, while they may not actually participate in the swearing, gesturing, beer dumping, etc. the “good” fans say and do nothing. They’re cowards. They either secretly support screaming vulgarities at little kids or they’re too cowardly to try and stop it. Classless, cowardly, and churlish are apt descriptions of Utah fans. If I have any fault for Max Hall it is that he was too reserved in his description of Utah fans.

  • Ute Student
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:51 a.m.

    I was a U student in the 90s, I am a huge Y fan. I think everybody knows who Max was talking about. It's the classless Ute fans, he generalized in the heat of the moment. If your a "classy" fan then move on and get over it. If your "classless" then Max got you twice tonight.

  • To President Young
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:47 a.m.

    Isn't it about time you did something about the boorish behavior of University of Utah fans? Consider Amanda Dickson's comments following last year's game at Rice Eccles - your own fans no longer feel safe in your stadium. Max Hall's comments may sting a bit, but he had the courage to address a problem that you or Coach Whittingham should have aggressively curbed long ago.

  • Mike in Phoenix
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:42 a.m.

    Good for you, Max!!! Utah fans do lack class. Their fanbase has taken the whole rivalry to a bitter, ugly level. Why get on Max for stating the truth? I know several BYU fans who experienced the same exact thing at RES the last few years that Max's family did. As for tonight's game, Max didn't have a great game, statwise, but the only stat that matters to me is that Max is 2-1 against the Utes.

  • MacKay
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:40 a.m.

    Seriously, can you really argue with Max? The only class Utah has is when their students are actually attending one. Noted Utah Amanda Dixon said:

    "“I saw a lot of those idiots on Saturday night, it just ruined the experience for me . I had a lot to be proud of on the field. And I as a graduate of that university I had a lot to be ashamed of for what I saw in the stands. People would walk by in a BYU shirt, and the things that were yelled at them disgraced me, it was horrible. Women and children, KIDS, 8-year-old kids, say they were in a BYU shirt–the things that were said to those kids. (sigh) I’m still not calmed down about it yet…But what happened in the stands (sigh) it makes me wonder if I will ever go to a game (Grant cuts to advertisement) "

  • Nelson get the Bowl Start
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:23 a.m.

    If Bronco has any class at all he will bench Hall for his post game remarks and go with Riley Nelson for the Bowl Game. Eveyone knows that Riley is a more talented athlete and better QB than Hall could ever dream of being.

  • Die hard Utah fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:16 a.m.

    It's true. We are classless. We are rude, annoying and Everything else. Good call Max. You kicked our butts and we are the losers. The truth stings but it needed to be said.
    - Die hard Utah Fan
    ps go Utes!!! Yay!

  • David
    Nov. 29, 2009 5:02 a.m.

    BYU loses even when they win.

  • Max is Correct
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:59 a.m.

    I'm not happy about it, but it's impossible to argue that Max wasn't right on target. Not so long ago, Whittingham earned Sports Illustrated's Turkey of the Year for running up the score on Wyoming and then acting like he was proud of it. Wasn't it Amanda of the Grant & Amanda show that publicly stated she was ashamed of how Utah fans treated BYU fans at a recent game? The fact is, Utah fans can attend a game at BYU and feel perfectly safe. On the other hand, BYU fans at Rice Eccles are likely to be subjected to verbal, and even physical, abuse.

  • who cares
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:18 a.m.

    Max Halls comments are not unusual. He also did not attack followers of the LDS faith. He stated what he felt after a very emotional victory. His performance was mediocre yet handled his business when it counted. The rivalry is amazing. It fuels heated debates all across the state!! But don't think for a second that Max Hall made personal attacks on anyones religious belief, unless you religiously follow the U.. than there really is no help for you!!!

  • Ute ENVY ?
    Nov. 29, 2009 4:01 a.m.

    Max Hall's comments were dumb. Utah has TWO BCS wins under its belt and two top 5 finishes in the past 5 years. Listening to ESPN game day every week you know Utah has a great national reputation now ... something BYU is still looking for. Until you break into the BCS club you are not considered a big time program so Max needs to tone down the ranting and come back to earth. What does Max know about the university ? Why slam the school just because your family was treated poorly by fans? Really really dumb. The U is a great school with an outstanding medical school and the Y is also having a great business and law school. Both schools are great but both have some fans that are less than stellar. No excuse to throw beer and act like low lifes. No excuse to punch the opposing schools son after the game (Y fans). Both really classless. Max knows the U has reached the top of the BCS mountain so Im sure there is some Ute ENVY in his dumb comments.

  • Hold on now
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:55 a.m.

    I can at least respect Max Hall for being honest, he was asked a question and answered it how he really felt. I do not agree with Max Hall that all the Utah fans are hostile, but the truth of the matter is, good Utah fans are letting these things happen at home games. I bet if a Utah fan would have stood up for Max's wife, and put a stop to the abuse he would not be saying these things this year. I think there are BYU fans that could do the same. All in all, maybe we should just let Max Hall be Max Hall and take a look in the mirror and see if we can't help fix the situation ourselves.

  • Hall's comments predictable
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:52 a.m.

    come on people, Hall reacting to something in the moment and vented some pent up frustration ... happens all the time in sports. Hall will wish he had kept his cool and his mouth shut ... tomarrow ... but how many athletes act the same way in the heat of the moment especially after getting embarased last year? Utah has a GREAT program and after two BSC wins Utah has nothing to prove to anyone. BYU on the other hand hasn't reached the BCS level yet so I suspect there is a bit on Ute envy and pay back in this win.

  • Cougar Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:42 a.m.

    I am an avid Cougar fan whom has made the mistake, on a couple of occasions, to attend the Y vs. U football game in SLC. I have never beeen so mistreated, anywhere, at anytime, in my entire life, while trying to cheer on my team. I've been hit with hard tac candy, flung by those behind me, while a Ute usher stood by and laughed at the whole incident, almost encouraging the prepetrators on.

    Max Hall only shared how those who have been mistreated feel. I've stopped with only one story, but believe you me, there are many others.

    Max may have threw another log on the fire with his comments, but we know where he stands, and I stand, along with numerous others, alongside him 100%.

    Rise and shout.

  • Dave Alpine
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:40 a.m.

    I am so proud of our team tonight but so disappointed in Max for these postgame comments. Maybe I expect too much but I expect more from our Cougar players, especially a fifth year senior who is a leader on this team. My three young boys literally know no other BYU QB except Max. They've closely followed his career & even argue over who gets to be Max Hall when they play football. I know we shouldn't set sports heros as people our kids should look up to. I thought Max was different. I guess not.

  • Thanks a bunch Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:08 a.m.

    Thanks Hall. We get a great win and all you do is rant about your hatred.

    You diminish the win by bringing all this negative attention to yourself and the focus becomes Hall's comments instead of BYU's win.

    What do you think will be played over and over again on ESPN?

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 3:08 a.m.

    Max Hall seems like a little boy who never learned to play in the sandbox peacefully. I am astonished that any quarterback at BYU would have such little self control and let his mouth run to a news media. I bet he's really embarrassed right now.

  • AK Cougar
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:59 a.m.

    Hypocrites. Many posters hold Hall to a higher standard than they hold themselves. Hall has taken alot of verbal abuse these past 3 years from fans and non fans. I can't blame him for breaking down and saying things about Utah. How many of us posters do the same thing here in these very posts?

    Where is the forgiveness and restraint that many posters have thrown at Hall even when he led the team to 10 wins? Has anyone here ever had a down day? Said anything you regretted later?

    I am glad Hall was the QB these past 3 years. The Cougars have had worse QB's in the past and will likely have worse ones in years to come. As a Cougar fan, I am spoiled with 10+ wins each year. I like to cheer for a winning team.

    Go Hall, I hope you are as successful in your future as you were as a QB at BYU. Thanks for coming to play. It has been fun watching.

    Go Cougars.

  • BYU alum
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:55 a.m.

    Wow! Just read the article and am so disappointed with his comments. We should always take the high road no matter what. It's a symbol of dignity, Max. We're Cougars. Graduated in 2003 and have lived in So. Cal ever since. I wish Max could see what an embarrassment his comments are to the school and to the alumni. We're better than that. You never see those kinds of comments from USC-Notre Dame or USC-UCLA. I'm very embarrassed for my alma mater right now. Hope he gets reprimanded and hope he finds peace in this life, preferably far away from BYU.

  • who cares
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:48 a.m.

    the fact is byu is going to the vegas bowl again and is gonna lose to usc and utah is gonna win their nation leading 9th straight bowl game oh and that streak include 2 bcs bowls in case you didn't know how many bcs bowls has byu been to oh yeah 0!!

  • Hairy Legged BYU fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:44 a.m.

    I don't support Max Hall's comments but I laugh at all the outrage by the Ute fans. Utah fans really are the worst around and trying to excuse their behavior by saying 99% of their fans are good is a joke. Max should have been the better man and kept his mouth shut but he, and many BYU fans are tired of Utah fans and their boorish behavior and for him, enough was enough. Max will apologize in the end but while what he said was not politically correct, it was more true than not and I think deep down most Utah fans know it. I think that is what bothers most Utah fans; not that Max spoke up but that he told the truth. Oh, they will feign outrage and rant and rave about Max Hall's comments but most won't deny their accuracy.

    I like the stoic, strong and silent approach over the way Max handled himself but Utah really needs take a long hard look in the mirror and start to clean up their act from the coaching staff and players to the fans in the stands. Even Wyoming fans are more civilized!

  • ute fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:33 a.m.

    i understand that byu does not like utah and vice versa however halls comments are out of line that is not what i leader of a team should be saying first of all as posted above beer is not sold in rice eccles and is not allowed in so i'm pretty sure thats not true about his family and second when you think of a perfect leader of a team who do you think of i personally think of tim tebow has tim tebow ever talked down an opponent like that no he does his work on the football field and guess what hes on the verge of winning the heisman again and winning the national championship again

  • Thank you, Max!
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:26 a.m.

    One question for all you Ute fans: wouldn't you be praising Brian Johnson or Alex Smith if he said he hated everything that BYU is about? I'm 100% sure you would. And you would say the same things max said if your family got treated the way his did at Rice-Eccles Stadium.

  • Hmmm....
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:22 a.m.

    It's funny that the ute fans all start complaining about Hall being "unclassy". True, it wasn't a good idea to spout off like that, but I don't blame the guy. I'd be trying to knock someone's head off if they poured beer on my family. I've been to some Utah games, and as a cougar fan...it's dangerous. The spitting, the beer, the verbal abuse. It's a rivalry people...expect it. And this came after the deseret news had an article about Utah's coach starting this rivalry because he voiced his hatred of BYU. After last year's win for Utah...I wouldn't call what they did classy either. Don't make things seem so one sided.

  • RE: wow...
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:18 a.m.

    "Max didn't earn any bragging rights. Wynn played a better game than him."

    How exactly do you figure? Was I the only one watching Wynn throw a dozen long balls downfield to Utah's wide open receivers who never connected to any of them because Wynn overthrew every single one?

    To Iris Ridenour:
    Yeah, cheering for James Blount and being a part of a fan-base making all those nasty comments against Boise St. is MUCH better than what's going on here. LOL.

    And to anyone who believes that Utah players don't make stupid comments about hating BYU is naive. Just last week on AM700 during one of the after-game interviews, a Utah player was talking about how much he really hated BYU, and the radio announcer even agreed by responding, "Yeah, we all do." Get over yourself Utes and quit pointing the finger. Though Max's comments may have been inappropriate, everyone needs to realize they've been fueled by Ute fans for over a year now.

    And that Ute fan who thinks BYU is hated because of arrogance. Wow, you really need a mirror. Most Ute fans are 10x worse!

  • Devin Holt
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:11 a.m.

    Okay, should max have said all that he did about the U? Should he have categorized them all into one group? No! But if people who represented an institution poured beer on your wife and family-think how you might react! He was wrong to say what he did, but you can understand why he said it in the heat of the moment. Max is a good guy. Be assured, he will apologize. Let's all just calm down and let max calm down and think about the last time we said something that we shouln't have about someone when we were mistreated by them.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 2:10 a.m.

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....

  • Lew Jeppson
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:59 a.m.

    And something else, I generally follow players from the state schools when they go on to the NFL, hoping for their sucess, regardless of school. Since Max Hall hates me, I'll make a big exception for him.

  • Where's your class, Max?
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:57 a.m.

    Unbelievable that BYU fans are defending these comments. For the record, Rice Eccles is a dry stadium. Beer isn't sold in the stadium, containers are confiscated at the gates, and if you do happen to sneak some in you are caught you are thrown out of the game, so how does that make the University of Utah organization classless? Second, Utah fans in Lavell Edwards have had pizza boxes and diet cokes thrown at them and poured on them two, so it goes both ways. Even tonight as the fans rushed the field I watched a BYU fan shove a Utah player in the back, and another walk down the tunnel screaming at them. The majority of Utah and BYU fans are respectful, and recognize that a certain percentage of any population is made up of idiots, so there are idiot fans of both schools. But can you really tell me you are proud of your team captain making those comments? Shame on you Max for condemning so many innocents, and Coach Mendenhall, you ought to discipline your players better than that.

  • utefan
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:56 a.m.

    I could care less that Max Hall said what he did. The feeling is mutual BYU won which sucks but I'm not gonna pretend that I'm above saying I hate BYU, its fans and University. Were just gonna have to deal with it until next year.

  • Finally someone speaks up
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:54 a.m.

    Most BYU fans that I know do not make the trip up to the U when the game is plated at RES because they are seriously scared for their safety. I had a family member who was slammed into a wall last year walking out of the restroom, and what was his crime!? Wearing a BYU sweatshirt. I'm sure that there are a lot of classy Utah fans and I have many relatives who fall under that category, but someone really needs to address those who are over the top classless. They really are out of control, and I don't blame max for bringing attention to the subject, someone needs to if it is ever going to be fixed...

  • BFF Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:50 a.m.

    Great...We lose the game now my bff max tells me he hates me - I though we were friends braaah - after helping us get to the Sugar Bowl and all *newsflash* they don't sell beer at Rice-Eccles

  • Calmer heads prevail
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:49 a.m.

    As a Utah fan, let me first say congratulations to Max Hall, the Cougars, and their fans for a great win. Wasn't the best quality football we have seen out of the rivalry in recent years, but a win is a win. Congrats to BYU.

    As for fans on either side, show some class and dignity. As a Utah fan, I'm embarrased when our fans do stupid things, but to classify ALL Ute fans as classless beer tossers and then use the word "hate" in his speech is stupid. Cougar fans who are defending him on this thread ought to be ashamed of their ridiculous behavior.

    There is no amount of bad behavior on either side that justifies more stupid statements or bad behavior.

    The year Harline caught the pass in the north end zone (very near my season ticket seats), I was taunted repeatedly by 4 obnoxious BYU fans in our own stadium). I walked away. They had no class.

    Max Hall and BYU fans, don't lecture all Ute fans about class and sportsmanship when you condone the irresponsible things Max Hall said today after the game.

  • Thank You Max
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:45 a.m.

    I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

  • AK Cougar
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:44 a.m.

    When I read the posts here about Halls comments after the game HYPOCRITE comes to mind the most. Posters here could practice a little of the restraint and excercise some of the forgiveness they are so willing to preach to all. Where is all the brotherly love?

    With the tirades I have read on these posts all year about Hall and if I were him I would likely have boldly expressed my honest opinion as well as most posters consistently do. Hall needed to remind fans and non fans that until you are the QB you really have no room to criticize.

    Hall, I have cheered for you and rooted for you for the past 3 years. You will always be one of the great BQ's in BYU history.

    Go Cougars

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:44 a.m.

    He's talking to you | 11:00 p.m. Nov. 28, 2009
    Yep all you Ute fans who hide behind the screen names that slam him.

    He's laughing at you now.

    Way to go Max. Forget all the political correctness.
    Let football be football.


    Why would he be laughing at us? What did the senior with the most MWC wins do?

    Did the senior lead the team to a national title game?

    No!?! Okay, he lead BYU to a coveted BCS game?

    No? What about a MWC title? Share of the title?

    Slaughtered us at home like TCU did? No?

    ***scratching head***

    Oh I know he outplayed our freshman QB?


  • Robert Q Nielson
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:44 a.m.

    (You even got a middle initial... how's that for 'ya Max) It's nice to see that stereotyping still exists. I'm glad to see that there were photos of good Utah fans (and yes, there are some bad) posted on a facebook group dedicated to your comments (pics of President Monson, President Hinkley, and Elder Wirthlin to name a few). We are not all monsters. Thank you for vilifying us... I choose to think those comments were not thought through. If they were, may you learn to think a little harder before you speak... the tongue truly is a two-edged sword.

    Robert Q Nielson,
    Los Angeles, CA

  • The saddest thing...
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:43 a.m.

    is the lack of class most (not all) BYU fans have in their response to these comments. You all really think you're that good and righteous and yet you are ok with these remarks? Is this the "honor" Coach Mendenhall so frequently talks about?

    There is next to zero self examination on the part of BYU fans. I was verbally threatened and taunted at LES today, with my wife and 8 year old son. It is likely the same people on here now bashing on Utah fans, saying they have no class. And yeah, there are some Utah fans that get out of hand, but you BYU fans continue to think you're perfect. You should be embarrassed by Hall's comments and the fact that a young family was verbally abused in your stadium today.

  • Hypocrites
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:37 a.m.

    Over the last few days I read comments of people complaining about tasteless U behavior. U fans told everyone to get over it, that it was just part of the rivalry.

    Well, where are you now? Aren't Hall's comments just part of the rivalry?

  • Here Kitty Kitty
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:37 a.m.

    As a Ute fan I hate to say it but Max Hall and the rest of his team earned the right to make those comments because they won. Of course those comments will just serve as motivation for payback next year and it makes us not want to root for him in their bowl game or in the pros if he makes it, but he can say what he wants because the scoreboard backs it up.

    As for the beer being poured on Max Hall's family, it is possible that it happened. Although they don't sell beer at Rice Eccles Stadium, I know that some fans do smuggle it in. I have seen people drinking beer in the MUSS section and in the men's room I have seen empty beer cans being left on the toilet seats. I don't condone the practice of smuggling in beer to the games by any means, I'm just saying it happens. It would be hard to blame Max Hall for not liking Utah fans if the reports of throwing beer on his family are true.

    Nov. 29, 2009 1:36 a.m.

    Memo to the media:

    You stick a recording device, in front of a college football player, after a poor performance, in a very emotional game, an then report on his frustrated rant.

    What exactly was the point of doing that?

    To embarrass him, his team, his university?

    Your thoughts?

    Memo to Coach Mendenhall:

    Since the media has decided it is fair game to "catch your players" making foolish comments, restrict reporters from interviewing your players, at least until they have had 24 hours to decompress.

    Memo to Max:

    Ask Coach Mendenhall to allow you to talk to the media to apologize, for your remarks, after the game, as well as your remarks captured on television, while the game was in progress. If the media refuses your request, then they own the problem.

    It takes a man to admit a mistake.

    I know, we all know, you are that man.

  • BYU not TCU
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:35 a.m.

    Let the Ute whining begin | 10:58 p.m. Nov. 28, 2009
    Ready, set, cry about it.



    Why didn't he say how he feel before the game? He's been outplayed and outclassed by a freshman.

  • realist
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:34 a.m.

    I think if Hall had said these things the night of the game last year, that would have been understandable. I mean, an embarrassing 6 turnover game and a personal attack on your family. But to say those things after a year, when you can't back up your talk by playing them next year, that's kinda classless. I mean, he's had a year to get over it and forgive, but he obviously hasn't. Those words were pointed and had pre-meditated intent. I am a BYU fan myself and am a little embarrassed.

  • Cry Me a River
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:27 a.m.

    I think someone needs a hug or that the firesides are not working.

    I guess football is #1 for Max after all.

  • LDS Utes Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:25 a.m.

    I'm echoing what some have said, and that is I'm embarrassed that Hall said what he did, because BYU is seen as the face of the church, and he just perpetuated the feeling lots people have of us, and that is the "I'm better than you because I'm mormon" attitude. I now have to deal with this on a professional level at work, and at school(SLCC student). I wasn't particulary interested in the outcome of the game, I could care less at this point with many other things weighing on my mind, but the comments made by Hall are despicable.

  • The worst
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:24 a.m.

    people on either side are the Utah fans that do not say or do anything to the number of Utah fans (most or hardly any depending on who you ask), who attack religion, sacred rites, and physically and verbally abuse BYU fans over religion during a stupid football game. These people are condoning the horrible actions of the few (or many) who give your fan base a bad name. And that is the real embarrassment for LDS members, the University of Utah, and should be for their fans.

  • BigPoet
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:23 a.m.

    I'd like to apologize to all the decent Ute fans and decent people in the Ute organization and the U of U that don't deserve Max Hall's comments. I believe there are some Utes that deserve those comments, but still... Max Hall was wrong to say what he did, and he should not have said it. As difficult as it may be, BYU players and staff need to resist this type of speech that would be uttered by a "natural man". Max Hall failed to do that this time.

    I think he might admit this failure... in a few weeks. For now, please try to consider his personal context.

  • Amanda
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:21 a.m.

    This is a serious hit to the win. Now no one cares about the win all they care about is what max hall said about the Utah organization. Did you know Utah was founded by Brigham Young? Brigham Young would be so proud of max. Not!

  • Haha
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:19 a.m.

    Utah fans pretending to be upset BYU fans makes me laugh.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:05 a.m.

    "Bronco, Suspend Mad Max! | 11:52 p.m"

    There we Go. Ute fans faking to be Cougar Alum, trying to get Max out of the bowl game.

    The way I see it.

    If you have no problem with Max telling his truthful opinion, he's fine.

    If you are offended, and are a saintly as you think, forgive him, he's fine.

    The guy gave his opinion. he has that right. No, he does, and who are you to tell him he can't.

    So, lay off the guy, and either agree, or be the bigger one, and let it go.

  • Trent Read
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:05 a.m.

    Both sides (athletes and fans) need a major upgrade in sportsmanship. It's getting silly. Funny that Bronco and now Max have made public statements complaining about some of us BYU fans. I see what they mean both at games and on these forums. Although I don't know why they'd ever read these forums (not sure why I do either).

    Though I recognize many BYU fans are in glass houses, I will slightly agree with Max and cast a stone of my own. I feel like a large number, maybe even the majority of U fans take it to another level of needing some lessons in sportsmanship and civility. I have plenty of classy U fan friends, but overall I feel like U fans are a bit over the top.

    I just want the rivalry to go back to the 80's when the U wasn't really a threat. '04 and '08 were some killer seasons for them. Congrats on those...now please go back to the good old days. Just go back to being bad. We'll take CSU or SDSU as a top tier replacement.

  • UUStudent
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:05 a.m.

    I am reading a lot of comments talking about how BYU has to endure religious slurs from all of the terrible UofU fans.... did it occur to anyone that maybe the majority of UofU students are of the same faith as BYU students? I support BYU until the week of this game, but I feel that Max Hall's comments were just as out-of-line as the terrible things he claims to have endured. A few has-been beer guzzlers getting a little out of hand at a game does not represent the other thousands of fans...

  • Rick Thorpe
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:05 a.m.

    Who cares? BYU won and all Ute fans care about are Hall's comments. Isn't this about a football game and not about one players comments after the game? So he said something he should not have said. So what? This is a young KID that was emotional about playing his final college football game at his home stadium against his biggest rival. Emotions were high. I am sure he will regret this in the morning. Not to mention that every player out there on both sides probably thinks the same things that Hall does. Big deal. Let's bring this back to the game.

  • Scott
    Nov. 29, 2009 1:03 a.m.

    Hey, they asked the questions. Max just answered them. Whatta ya gonna do?

  • Idaho Coog
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:59 a.m.

    Tonight was a great, hard-fought game, and kudos should go to both sides. But I do wish Max Hall hadn't made the comments he did ... though he was right. There is no reason for fans to throw beer on family or players, and it happens often ... OFTEN! There are no reasons for Ute fans to go up into the BYU sections looking for a fight, with vulgar profanity and gestures, especially when there are kids and families present. This is classless, but where are the U officials who should deep their fans under better control, when it is so obvious that they are out of control. BYU fans and players report being spit on, and thrown beer on, verbally and physically assaulted at RES ... that is wrong! But the major culprits are the administrators and stadium officials who allow this kind of ugliness to continue. Officials from both universities would make sure this kind of action does not go on, for it is classless, and throws a dark shadow upon an entire institution that would allow this unsportsmanlike conduct to be repeated time and time again.

  • lets be real
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:58 a.m.

    haha its a game everyone and yes both teams are classless in a way and alot of the fans on both sides are too!!! i dont like byu but would i throw remarks at them like that no, and i would hope a true byu fan would do the same. its a rivalry that i grew up in and i want my kids to grow up in. if a nineteen year old kid can see that and older adults cant then get lives everyone. its fun and competative on the feild and off. so lets just leave it at that. congrats byu coming from a strong ute fan. but watch out next year!!!! GO UTES

  • hello Iris
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:58 a.m.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAH A duck fan because of what?? What a classless bunch team and fans

  • Aubrey Hatch
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:58 a.m.

    I am sorry to hear about what happened to your family Max, however, I don't think means you should stereotype an entire fan base and university. I know some very classy Ute fans and think that Utah is a great university. Both teams played a great game tonight and it would have been better if your comments had not tainted it. One more thing Max, that's my real name.

  • sdb89
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:57 a.m.

    I don't see why Max has to go and say things like that especially after winnning a game. I was at the BYU Utah game at BYU 2 years ago and as the Utah team was taking the field BYU fans were splashing their waters and sodas at the Utah players. Yeah Max your family might have gotten drinks thrown at them by some Utah fans, but your fans do the same. I'm sure some Utah players hate BYU as much as max hates Utah, but i don't see any of them going to the media and saying how much they hate the BYU program, University, fans and players. It's called class.

  • Sam
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:57 a.m.

    Poor little Ute fans, they got their feelings hurt, boo hoo!

    Play a little better next time and this won't be an issue.

  • BYU Grad from Sweden
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:55 a.m.

    Hall's comments were definitely inappropriate. He should be reprimanded and should issue a public apology. At the same time the U should take a serious look at what other schools are doing with security in stadiums now. Bad language, excessive drinking etc. are now dealt with promptly and firmly. Why can't the U take control of RES?

  • Wendell
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:53 a.m.

    Max Hall has won two out of three contests with the Utes, which few recent BYU Quarterbacks can claim. I guess he didn't appreciate his family having beer thrown on them last year. Would you? So a BYU quarterback hates Utah. Is this new? Verbal criticizm is hardly as classless as throwing beer on a players mother and wife. But Utes will see it the other way around.

  • What's next?
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:52 a.m.

    Poor Max will have to take it for a long time, which will had fuel to the fire next year in Salt Lake. Its unfortunate that Hall made the comments, but what he said has some meaning. I stopped going to any game played in Salt Lake. If you wear Cougar blue, or cheer for your team, you are subjected to jeers and foul language. It's the Utes trademark and its unfortunate that so many negative things occur. A win over a rival does not make one superior to anyone!

    Nov. 29, 2009 12:51 a.m.

    I hate them too. They are classless. And if they cry for what you said, they're hypocrites.

  • Thank you Max!
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:51 a.m.

    for letting it all hang out and telling it like it is

    to the classy, respectful, Utah fans, you know Max isn't talking about you

    but, to the classless, beer throwing, cussing, BYU-haters, it was great to see Max get the last laugh

  • zulu77
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:50 a.m.

    Well, Max lacks perspective. He doesn't understand he is part of something bigger...that's all. Maybe he'll learn to take the high road later in life. This is an immature person with no perspective who decided to taunt and gloat his opponent under the guise of righteous indignation. As a BYU grad and fan I am, of course, embarassed. But don't we love the drama, the controversy of the "reality show" in sports and everywhere else (I think I'll go read Sarah Palin's "Going Rogue" for more of it).

  • re:NIT
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:46 a.m.

    Arrogance is reading the article about this game and see how many Utah fans argue the point they won tonight.

    You also posted fans from other schools don't like us. Dude, did they ask you to wpeak on their behalf.

    Max said what HE said, didn't hide under screen name NIT, didn't blame the hate on others, he said "I hate Utah".

    He hates Utah.

    Now in theis world of political correctness, they want everyone to get warm fuzzies, to share the trophy, but in reality, I'm guessing he hates Utah, and is just thankful to never have to deal with their classless fans.

    Personally, I agree with every word he said. Most Utah fans are classless, and I hate them. I can stay home from the game. Max had to go through that every year.

    so, Austin Collie is wrong because he spoke of God, Max is wrong because he tells the truth, and all these Utah fans that show up, swearing, wanting to fight are the "victims" every year.

    Geeze, get some therapy and get over it. It's football. There's no whining in football.

  • Hey Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:45 a.m.

    He never said they threw beer on him during the game. Have you seen what goes on outside of a game? There is lots of beer there my friend.

  • Tim Tebow vs Max Hall
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:43 a.m.

    Lots of pub on Tim Tebow today. Could Max Hall be more opposite? I am an LDS Ute, who wants BYU to do well. Obviously BYU is not preparing young Christian leaders like so many of there fans claim it is. Any person who posts on this board and applauds Max Hall's comments needs to ask forgiveness. You all could learn from a non-LDS Christian in Tim Tebow.

  • Magna Ute
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:41 a.m.

    Gee, thanks Max. I hope you feel better now.

  • Utah faculty perspective
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:40 a.m.

    Although Max Hall's comments were likely too strong, there's truth to what he says. I attended last year's game at Rice Eccles Stadium and had fans intentionally shoving into me, middle fingers raised at me most of the game, and obscentities yelled in the direction of myself and my father. Perhaps the greatest irony is that, yes, I'm a BYU grad and season ticket holder, but I'm also a University of Utah faculty member (School of Medicine, tenure track assistant professor). I was ashamed to be associated with those fans.
    In contrast, a Utah fan sat behind us today in the middle of the BYU season ticket holder section. I didn't see one middle finger raised, one obscenity shouted, despite his vocal support of his team. People can say what they will about actions on both sides, but what I have witnssed toward opposing fans at Utah and at BYU represent a stark difference. I wish I had more sway at the U to change the tenor. I had actually contacted President Young after my experience last year, but was disappointed not to have received the courtesy of a response.

  • Classless.......
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:39 a.m.

    comments continue on this blog. Those defending Max Hall's actions are classless and ignorant.

    Did every University of Utah fan dump beer onto Max's family? Of course not!

    Does the University of Utah sell beer? Of course not!

    Do all University of Utah fans treat Cougar fans and specifically Max Hall and his family poorly? Of course not!

    IS BYU any different? My son and I were treated poorly today at the game, however, I know that the majority of BYU fans are good fans that have class. I also know as a 25+ year Utah season ticket holder that the majority of Utah fans are also good fans that have class.

    Shame on all the fans that are supportive of Max's classless comments. Shame on anyone who believes all Utah Ute fans are classless.

    In the 150+ home games that I've attended at Utah I have never seen anyone with beer. It is a truly ignorant fan who believes such foolishness.

    FYI, the Prophet graduated and taught at the University of Utah. Oh, the last Prophet graduated from the University of Utah as well.

  • Chelsea Shapard
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:39 a.m.

    That was an intense and great game! As a U fan, during that game I do say I "hate" BYU, but I never truly mean it. I have great respect for the sport and the fun the rivalry brings.
    For Max Hall to not only bring down the team (which I see as part of the rivalry, just fine) he chose to bring down the entire institution. That is so sad and upsetting. While he is not the rest of his team, the rest of his team will be assoicated with him as "classless" by some - undeserved. A Utah fan should not have poured beer on his family, that too is rude and classless and has obviously generalized our entire school in his eyes.

    I believe both schools have amazing people at them. In fact, some of my best friends go to the Y, but I do NOT approve of this comment by one person, who in no way represents my friends and the classy BYU school itself.

    This rivalry is still supposed to be fun at the end of the day, and taking out Max Hall's comments I believe it still was a good, fun rivalry!

  • BYU
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:38 a.m.

    did a great job and came out with a win. There is always so much hype to this rivalry I imagine players on both sides were overly pumped up, but it was fun to watch. WAY TO GO COUGARS!! A GREAT way to end the regular season!

  • byuman72
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:37 a.m.

    I can sympathize with max for being upset with what happened to his family last year, but two wrongs don't make a right. He should have bit his tongue and been the bigger person. It's sad that his comments will be remembered more than his accomplishments.

  • Ben Brown, Utah Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:36 a.m.

    Dear Max,
    I want you to know my name. I have derided and praised you throughout your career. I did BOTH this week. I commented that BYU fans should appreciate all that you have done to bring success to the BYU football program and that I was glad this was your final season. I'm sorry that there were some Utah fans who's actions were completely uncalled for and reprehensible towards your family. But I want you to think about how one person or a group does not represent a University. Tonight you brought ugly and reprehensible towards a fan base, a team and an institution that did not deserve it. I'm talking about BYU. There were alot of BYU players that went all out today and came up with an OT victory only to have you and your selfish actions mar their celebration! The same can be said of the fabulous fans that I know and appreciate that love BYU football. Look how you tainted them and their celebration. What do you think will be the talk @ work on Monday? What about the University and your Coaches? Did Coach Mendenhall deserve that after all his support?

  • Before you judge
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:35 a.m.

    Before you judge Max and call him classless, maybe you should think about what this guy has had to put up with. I imagine it's not easy being in his position and out there for everyone to criticize every week. Which, if any of us wouldn't at least want to say the same things were we in his position?

  • Doman
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:34 a.m.

    I'm sure Max Hall may very well have very strong feelings against Utah, but his comments to the press were pretty tactless. There are bad BYU fans and there are bad Utah fans. Most of us are just there to enjoy the game and cheer for our teams. Yes, I would be frustrated too, if I were Hall and some Utah fans poured alcohol on my family, but don't make matters worse by flying off the handle like that. Great game, cougars defense! I don't think the offense or Hall had much to do with tonight's victory. I will say this, though...I appreciate honesty, and Max Hall was just being deliberately honest. Tactless to do so publicly, but honest nonetheless.

  • Ramon
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:33 a.m.

    Ute fan mocks the LDS church and belittles BYU all year and instead of being outraged and denouncing the attack on Halls family, or the classless behavior of Whittingham against Wyoming yells foul because Max calls it as it is. Who's crying Now? 3 out of 4, and a whole lot more.

  • Re Cody
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:33 a.m.

    Can I dump a cup of something on you just cuz I was "a roudy fan". Im not justifying hall's words, but no one should have beer poured on them. Especially the wife of a QB

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:32 a.m.

    Hahaha! He kills me! Major therapy needed for Mr.hall! What a loser!he needs to remember it's not all about him... He forgot it was a team sport! He is a true disgrace to his team!

  • Happy to be a Ute
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:32 a.m.

    I am active LDS and a RM and so glad I am a Ute. Stevenson Sylvester (not LDS) in a loss gives credit to the winning team and their QB. Max Hall - BYU Coug through and through, required religion classes and all, belittles an entire school, football progam and group of people in a win. I'll take the loss and the better people every day of the week.

  • jenn
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:32 a.m.

    Let the fans do the talking and you do the playing....there are stupid fans on both sides...Max just showed us all what a stupid player he is!!! He also showed us the definition of classless!! Good job Max.

  • Embarrassed BYU fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:31 a.m.

    Max you embarrassed your school, church, your team, and your fans! I am so embarrassed to be a BYU fan! You stole our victory! You should be so ashamed! I hope you are not allowed to play in a bowl game, you are a utter disgrace! What do Ute fans call us... Zoobies... Thanks for proving their point! You are so selfish!

  • Speed
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:30 a.m.

    Cry Utes Cry!! Remind us how good you have been. Whine that Max told you the truth. That is why it hurts so bad, it is the TRUTH!!! If you are such fantastic Ute fans how come there were 10,000 empty seats at your final home game??? I spoke to a bunch of Ute fans at the game tonight and they were all great folks. Everyone of them. Real Ute fans are rare, but there are plenty of Cougar haters. Cry and make excuses for the next year, keep talking about the Sugar bowl to make you feel better. Go Cougars!!!

  • Respect gained
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:29 a.m.

    I had lost all respect for maxie based upon his play during the game. But I give him an atta-boy for his rant. That is real emotion, however misguided, but it coming from a college quarterback that has taken the heat for an entire year from a large portion of UTES. I would be curious to know how many utes have actually never laughed about max hall over the past year. Answer: none. why is his statment such a shocker? Because he call everyone of you out and challenged your manhood? Lets think...what have you been laughing about for the past year. I guess he has the last laugh, even if it was for only a few minutes.

  • Go Utes!
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:29 a.m.

    Hate: to loathe, detest, despise, dislike, abhor, execrate; be repelled by, be unable to bear/stand, find intolerable, recoil from, shrink from; formal abominate. ANTONYMS love.

    I'd be surprised if Max Hall truly believes the words he spoke in an emotional moment.

    I sat as a U of U fan in the midst of BYU fans tonight and they were great! I’ve also sat as a BYU fan in the midst of Utah fans and they were great! I’ve been on recruiting visits and met with both head coaches and coaching staffs and they’re great! I can attest that “hate” is NOT what is coached or taught by either University or their coaching staffs. Both coaching staffs use words like honor, character and respect to describe their vision for their players and their University.

    Fans or players of BYU or UofU who’s outward actions demonstrate "hate" toward another, should NOT be considered accurate, worthy leaders or representatives of their respective organizations. Is “Hate” what any of us want our children learning or remembering from these rivalry contests? Congratulations BYU on your victory tonight! Good luck next UofU.

    Deon Steckling
    Bountiful, Utah

  • Motes and Beams
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:28 a.m.

    The only thing worse than hating a Ute is hating yourself. Stop acting like he just denounced Christianity. Stop being shocked. It shows you are not honest with yourselves.

    You're shocked BYU and Utah don't like each other? Really?

    What shocks me is that the coaches on BOTH sides are able to keep enough restraints on everyone so that they all don't say it every chance they get. ITS A RIVALRY! Of course they hate each other. And so do us fans. Have any of you actually read these posts?

    Oh, keep in mind. If Austin Collie isn't allowed to mix church and football when he says miracles happen, then you all, my hypocritical friends, are not allowed to mix Max's religion with his football for him either.

    Church has no place in football, right? Isn't that what you all said in 07?

    It's one or the other, you can't hate them both.

  • Bench him
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:28 a.m.

    Bronco needs to bench Max at the very least for the first half of the bowl game. Take a stand now, Bronco, comments like this will never be tolerated about another university and the people affiliated with it.

  • JimBob
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:28 a.m.

    outstanding comments Max. you summed up everything there is to say about the team up north. you were outstanding when you had to be and that is what counts. you are the MAN!!! thanks for a great 3 years and hopefully a win in your bowl game. You are a legend! you surpassed Ty Detmer's record of wins as a cougar. that is awesome.

  • BYU Nut
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:26 a.m.

    Well said, Max. The classless Utes and their fans have been trying to kick sand in your face for three years now. Now that you just knocked the bully over, you have every right to say a few words.

    And to you BYU fans saying you lost all respect for Max, please take a hike. This is an emotional game and you don't need to be a polite meek boy scout to be a winner. This game is about guts and determination and Max made the play to win the game.

  • Dave Whittle
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:26 a.m.

    It's regretable, Max, that you couldn't keep your feelings about Utah to yourself and let your play do the talking. You've simply descended to the same level as those classless Utes you say you hate. Not all Utes and Ute fans deserve to be tarred by the same brush.

    A word to the wise, Max: never wrestle with a pig in the mud. You get dirty and the pig, true to his nature, enjoys it.

  • You Go MaX
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:25 a.m.

    What I see here is that the truth stings! Clean it up Utah. Just clean it up and then you will be respected as class. Until then, You Go Max! Way to win.

    Go Cougars

  • arvond
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:25 a.m.

    There is a lot of reporting in the news lately about football causing brain damage in players. It appears that football fans are not immune. It's just a game. If only fans could transfer some of that energy and concern to more important things in life.

  • Who Cares It's Over
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:23 a.m.

    Who really cares what Max Hall said? It was the heat of the moment and he got carried away. Does that justify it, no. But it is what most all of the fans are thinking and he finally said it. I don't lose any respect for him, but rather laugh at the fans that have to find another way to hate him. Give it up, enough already. You may not like the guy, but he finds a way to win. He beat you, move on and accept it and prepare for next year.

  • Ryan Matthews
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:22 a.m.

    if you look closely at most of the comments, the spelling is horrible, which either means its only 8 year olds commenting, or people with very low IQs.
    Just saying

    Max is free to say what he wants, smart or not, its not that big of a deal. Should he have said it? probably not. Is it true? most of it, but not all of it. Some Ute fans are very nice, some BYU fans are not. Who really cares? It's college football!!! Just get of his back people, leave him alone. Especially you "BYU" so called "fans", why don't you go join the Utes if your going to keep complaining?

  • Re Cody
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:21 a.m.

    I have tried beer and I would not want it to be thrown on me or my family. Just because YOU would want it sprayed on you does not mean everyone else would want it sprayed on them.

  • Seasons over
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:21 a.m.

    Oh forget it! Utah will win their bowl game and BYU will lose their's. What's new?

  • surprising?
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:20 a.m.

    If you dump beer on my family, I'd probably feel the same.

  • Re: Wow
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:20 a.m.

    Max earned bragging rights!!! This is a team sport not an individual sport. Max is a champion and we love him. Are you just jealous????????

  • Travis Worwood
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:19 a.m.

    Max you're a great player and a great guy. I'm a true blue cougar fan for life, but i'm a little disappointed in these comments. To rise above classless actions, you must be the bigger man and show class. I know many great U fans. Even ones that have said good things about you Max! Joseph B. Wirthlin was a big Ute fan and you know he wouldn't have wished anything bad upon you or your family. I feel bad that your poor family had beer thrown on them. That's so wrong, but move on bud. The past is over with. I'm proud of your accomplishments. Let bygones be bygones and move forward. Hatred is never a good thing. Great win Cougs! Go win your bowl game, but do it with class and respect for your opponent. Call me old fashioned, but that's how I think sports should be played.

  • Sad Stuff
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:19 a.m.

    It's a pity Max Hall had to follow up his less-than-stellar effort in this game by tarnishing it with these much-less-than sportsmanlike comments.

    Apparently Max reads these comment boards, so here's some advice for him from an embarrassed BYU fan: APOLOGIZE. SHOW SOME CLASS. STOP ACTING LIKE THE SAME JERKS YOU'RE CRITICIZING.

    Sure, there are trolls and idiots in the stands at the U. Guess what? They're at BYU, too! But look at it this way, Max: SOMEBODY HAS TO BE THE GROWN-UP AND THE EXAMPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP.

    Apparently, it's not you. Well, thanks anyway for all the memories, Max. If you're playing in the bowl game, I won't be making the trip.

  • The alleged incident...
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:17 a.m.

    at Rice Eccles Stadium probably never even happened. With Mr. Hall spouting off his hatred - who's to believe him?

  • Ashamed Chicago Fan
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:16 a.m.

    I ...like a lucky few graduated from both schools. First BYU then Utah. I root for them both..until the game when I become pure Ute. Perspective is everything as a fan. When BYU plays Utah they become a whiny, cheap shotting, unsportsmanlike bunch of hooligans...in my opinion. Just my perspective. Max Hall will just add to that. Great game though!

    Anyone remember a few years when the BYU fan tackled the Ute cheerleader? It was the Ute who instigated if I remember right:)

    Max-do the right thing and apologize!

  • GP
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:16 a.m.

    Both sides of the rivalry have good fans and a few despicable fans. Hall's comments put him in the same "class" as the despicable few. Such deep hatred is a personal problem and he should seek therapy.

    Unfortunate because it was a hard fought game that could have gone either way and very exciting. Should have won with grace and dignity especially when he did not play well.

  • Re: KL
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:16 a.m.

    No kl I'm pretty sure he has stopped by now, the game is over

  • Max Hall Is My Hero
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:16 a.m.

    Max Hall is my hero when he is fearless to tell the truth!

    Is the truth hurt? Doesn't matter. Truth is truth, get over it!

  • At least
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:15 a.m.

    he got his Ryan Leaf meltdown out of the way in college now every pro scout knows he buckles under the pressure, he is completely media unsavvy, a horrible leader, and role model. All I hace heard about all year is he stupid comments that flow out of the mouths of these BYU players and coaches! Talk about disappointing! I thought Jorgensen was bad but Hall you sound like a very shallow, close minded, overprotected, a hypocritical individual! Thanks Max- it not like mormons haven't been trying to overcome any stereotypes of that sort!!!

  • re: The NIT
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:14 a.m.

    Come on dude. Interestingly have lived in some of those same places and been a fan of some pretty heated rivalries.

    Truth be told, BYU is hardly discussed on the national level and its fans not thought of as more arrogant than Oklahoma fans believe that Texas is. Or Gopher fans feel about the Badgers. Or Michigan fans feel about "the Ohio State University" fans.

    It is half truths and innuendos from arrogant people like you that continue to fuel Ute hatred towards BYU. Utah fans have epitomized arrogance this past four years since their BCS runs. Other than those two spectacular years-Utah is nothing but a mid-level mediocre program.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:11 a.m.

    I believe Max Hall cemented his legacy tonight with his lack of self-restraint.

    Anybody who thinks that BYU football is a good PR tool for the LDS church is completely blind or deaf. As a faithful LDS member who happens to be a fan of both schools because I live in the state (but a bigger fan of my alma mater, Iowa Hawkeyes), I am embarrassed that the WINNING quarterback makes such a classless rant about his opponents. And not just the fans, but the 'entire university and program'.

    What's more embrassing are the Y fans who are defending it and justifying his lack of self-control.
    Do they really know if Max Hall's family got beer poured on them?? No. I go to Rice Eccles for a couple of games each year. THEY DON'T SELL BEER THERE! To me, it sounds like some taunting by the opposing fans suddenly became an embellished story. And then this rant was nothing more than Max feeling the need to redeem himself after last year's debacle.

    I can't believe Y fans are defending these comments. Anybody objective will call it what it is: classless.

  • Nice Timing
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:11 a.m.

    I find it interesting that these comment come after a so-so performance in a win as a 5th year senior (knowing that you'll never have to play the Utes again). Interesting how these comments didn't come out after last year's game (when fans threw beer on his family). Way to be a coward!!!! Had you had made these comments, with still one more shot at the Utes, you wouldn't have even last a series of downs...


  • NIT is clueless
    Nov. 29, 2009 12:11 a.m.

    If you really think BYU is more arrogant than USC or UCLA or so many other schools then you are truly clueless. But you saying that is little diffeent than what you denounce Hall for saying.