sorry, BYA leads the BYA-U series 3-2Utah counts a spring scrimmage
played in April as a real game; whoever heard of a real game being played in
April?BYU vs Utahbottom line:since BYU and
Utah joined a conference that still exists today, the WAC, and BYU's
administration decided to field a college team instead of a club teamBYU leads the series 28-19National championshipsBYU 1Utah 0WAC/MWC championshipsBYU 23Utah 6Top
25 finishesBYU 16Utah 4/510+ win seasonsBYU 14Utah 4National individual awardsBYU 15Utah 0
After reading "Stirred up a hornets' nest, posted at 12:21 p.m., where he refers
to the Utah-BYU rivalry but only goes back to 1978, I thought I'd better help
him out to give a more complete perspective of the teams and who has dominated
the most.1896-1898 BYU and Utah each won 3 games apieceThe series then took a break until 1922.1922 Utah 49 BYU 01923 Utah 15 BYU 01924 Utah 35 BYU 61925 Utah 27 BYU 01926 Utah 40 BYU 71927 Utah 20 BYU 0 (Utah has outscored BYU 186 to 13 in the last 6 games)1928 Utah 0 BYU 0 (BYU actually
plays Utah to a tie)1929 Utah 45 BYU 131930 Utah 34
BYU 71931 Utah 43 BYU 01932 Utah 29 BYU 01933 Utah 21
BYU 61934 Utah 43 BYU 01935 Utah 32 BYU 01936 Utah 18
BYU 0 (Utah now leads 17-3 with 1 tie)To be
1962 Utah 35 BYU 201963 Utah 15 BYU 61964 Utah 47 BYU 13 (Utah
now leads in the overall series 37-5 with 4 ties)1965 Utah
20 BYU 251966 Utah 13 BYU 351967 Utah 13 BYU 17 (BYU has a 3
game win streak for the first time in 70 years)1968 Utah
30 BYU 211969 Utah 16 BYU 61970 Utah 14 BYU 131971 Utah
17 BYU 15 (Utah leads BYU in the series 41-8)1972 Utah 7 BYU 161973 Utah 22 BYU 461974 Utah 20 BYU 481975 Utah 20 BYU
511976 Utah 12 BYU 341977 Utah 8 BYU 38 At this
point Utah holds a 41-14 overall lead in the rivalry series. I will end there,
since that is where the poster named "Stirred up a hornets' nest," posted at
12:21 p.m., began his post.Just one last comment to the BYU fans who
constantly come on and point out how one-sided the rivalry has been for BYU.
The rivalry has indeed been one-sided---in favor of the Utes. (Overall 53-33-4)
1937 Utah 14 BYU 0 (Utah has beaten BYU 9 straight games by a
combined 279-26!)1938 Utah and BYU tie 7-71939 Utah 35 BYU 131940 Utah 12 BYU 61941 Utah and BYU tie 6-61942 Utah 7 BYU 12
(BYU wins for the first time in 45 years!)1946 Utah 35 BYU
6 (Utah defeats BYU by 29 in the first game after World War
II)1947 Utah 28 BYU 61948 Utah 30 BYU 01949 Utah 38 BYU
01950 Utah and BYU tie 28-281951 Utah 7 BYU 61952 Utah 34
BYU 61953 Utah 33 BYU 32 (BYU actually celebrates only
losing to Utah by 1 point by carrying off the coach on the
shoulders of his BYU players.)1954 Utah 12 BYU 71955 Utah 41 BYU 91956 Utah 41 BYU 61957 Utah 27 BYU 0 (From
1946-57 Utah has outscored BYU 314 to 106)1958 Utah 6
BYU 41 (BYU wins outright for the first time in 17 years)1959 Utah 20 BYU 81960 Utah 17 BYU 01961 Utah 21 BYU 20To be continued again...
1978, 23-22 UTES over Cougars on an icy late Nov day in Rice Stadium.I was a freshman, and took my best buddy from high school (who just happened
to be a Cougar!) and sat in the U student section.The game was as
hard-hitting, emotional, and back-and-forth as any I've ever seen before or
since. When the Y's wonderkind QB Marc Wilson got injured, LaVell brought in
the Frosh MacMahon, and the U's defense held. We were as loud as we
could be, and I did not have a voice for a week, but that victory was as sweet
as it gets because it was such an upset over a highly rated (and seemingly
arrogant) archenemy.Prognistication for This year:Utah by 5,
I now live at about 10K feet elevation in the Breckenridge Colorado area -
yesterday I went to store and there were 6 boys/men with US Air force football
hoodies on - 3 of them played USAF football. I asked them how they were calling
the Ute/Cougar game - they all said that BYU should kick the Ute's butts. They
also said that they should have beaten Utah & TCU — but not BYU.In
the 1980's I went to a BYU/Utah football game in SLC and we had beer thrown on
us. I have been to lots of football games - at different stadiums for
high-school, college & pro football and the nastiest fans have been at the U -
in - SLC. I have been to USC vs UCLA and they were more composed the Ute
fans.They could be Jack-Mormons that could not qualify for admittance into
BYU — Kick there butts Cougs.
My how things have changed. Seeing more and more Ute haters than Byu fans.
Howard is the epitomy of a BYU hater . . . loathing the team, school, people
secretely hope to be, but never will because you lack the discipline and
The article brought back a lot of memories. Howard wasn't alone in accusing BYU
of "running up the score" though. I'm not even sure if he was the only one who
expressed his feelings in terms of "hate". He was a colorful guy and was good
for the U.
I loved Coach Howard, I donated to the "Save the Coach Howard salary slush
fund!" I have an egg farm, I named all my chickens after Howard his staff and
many of his players---We call our banty rooster--Howard!Good game I
hope, I want the score to be 60 zip! I want the ball in the air for the last
touchdown when the final gun sounds.Go--- Big Blue! "We're not
Arrogant, we're just better than u!"
Been a Ute fan my whole life. I love Utah football, and I can honestly say I
hate BYU football, just like Howard. It is funny, I go to BYU-Idaho and cheer on
the Utes, and my Brother-in-law went to Utah and cheers for BYU. He hates Utah.
Go Utes!! Beat the team down south.
Urban Meyer is thew most arrogant, disrespectful football coach in football
today. His whole "school down south" thing was just ridiculous. And the Utah
fans were so stupid to think he cared about them...all he cared about was using
Utah as a stepping stone get what he wanted. He played Utah like a fiddle. I
can't stand the Utes but I have the utmost respect for Kyle Whittingham. He has
class and does things the right way.
Haha... I love this rivalry. BYU fans get to call Utah fans drunkards (which
can be true - but don't worry, no alcohol is allowed in RES). Utah fans get to
call BYU fans holier-than-thou fools (well, because it's true. Max Hall and Jan
Jorgensen have dirtier mouths than a sailor). But in the end I love it the most
because BYU will always be a program with recruits who "obey the honor code" and
have a coach who claims the purpose of the BYU football program is to "bring
others unto Christ." Both statements a bunch of bull.... Go Utes! Kick those
prideful kitties to the curb!!!
While it was fun playing for the Y back in the good ol days when they allowed me
to drink adult beverages and inject steriods into my teammates I'm going to have
to go with the Utes this weekend.They are just too good. Utah is
the best school and I think they will win by 3 td's again.Play hard
though Cougars. Bronco try to act like you care. thanks.
Hey Paul shouldn't you be focused on preparng the Raven's 53 man roster for
I like Utah. It is good to have a place for the kids who can't get ito BYU to
Hey everyone, I just wanted to let you know that it was fun beating BYU last
year and intercepting one of Max Hall's passes.That being said, I'm
sorry fellow Ute fans but it doesn't look like we have a good chance of winning
the game this Saturday. I think the Cougs will whip up on us by 2 touchdowns.
But give it your best anyway.
He truly did get the Utes back on the road to respectability. I don't think some
fans realize how down this program was. 8-2-1 was a minor miracle. I had just
started school and I remember having class with Geno Lerouque, Mike Sobolewski
and Tom Krebs. They were some of the rowdiest, but friendliest people you could
ever meet and they loved their coach. I live in LA and I want to go down and
watch a game with Coach Howard at a sports grill in Long Beach. Good luck to you
coach and thanks for the memories!!!!
I predict 24-21 for the Cougs.
Coach McBride was on Coach Howard's staff.
I remember Howard's comment and BYU's 22-23 loss to the Utes.BYU
fans can thank Howard for stirring up a hornets' nest and making Utah's bowl
game for the next decade more exciting for Cougar fans.1978 BYU 22
Utah 231979 BYU 27 Utah 01980 BYU 56 Utah 6 (largest margin in
BYU-Utah history)1981 BYU 56 Utah 281982 BYU 17 Utah 12 (BYU by 5
:)1983 BYU 55 Utah 71984 BYU 24 Utah 141985 BYU 38 Utah 281986 BYU 35 Utah 211987 BYU 21 Utah 18 1988 BYU 28 Utah 57 (1st
Utah win in 10 years)1989 BYU 70 Utah 31 (most points in one game)1990 BYU 45 Utah 221991 BYU 48 Utah 171992 BYU 31 Utah 22 (Utah's
1st bowl in 28 years)1993 BYU 31 Utah 34 (the famous 34-31 game)1994
BYU 31 Utah 34 (both teams finish in Top 10)1995 BYU 34 Utah 171996
BYU 37 Utah 17 (BYU finishes #5 with Cotton Bowl win)
This rivalry is heated and everyone hates everyone else because of the behavior
of BYU fans? Is that what is being said?I'm pretty sure the
behavior by both sides is equally reprehensible. As an alumnus of both
schools, I thinks the behavior by both fan bases is pathetic!Its
football, for crying out loud. Have fun with the rivalry but show some class
and eliminate the hatred. Life is too short for such excesses.Is it
worth having a coronary because of your misplaced hatred?
My uncle had a U flag in his front yard last year, notice I say had? After the
Ute's one some charming Y fan pulled it down burned it on his front porch and
ran up a Y flag instead, then people want to complain about the rivalry being to
intense? It will go on forever and I say bring it because in the end both sides
love to hate the other.
The players come and go, the coaches are responsbile for the legacy left behind.
Coach Mac built the foundation for Utah and is doing the same for WSU, which is
in the FBS (William & Mary, Sat). Go Utes!Go Wildcats!Sorry BYU, I root for you whenever you aren't playing Utah. I would like
to see you succeed & continue to represent the conference with pride. But your
legacy is fading, the program is not keeping up with the new era of College
Football. Progress can only be made when you can be true to yourself, recognize
your weaknesses, then address them. It has been the same beat to the same drum
for too long, always good but never great.
Who Cares. Typical BYU Yning. Coach Howard used this to hype his team and the
game. You don't need to explain and excuse actions at a BYU game over 30 years
ago. Like Coach said "Hate" doesn't mean I want to shoot you, just beat you.
Yes, Howard only beat BYU once in his five or six years there but one must also
remember that BYU was at its high point with several one loss teams and QB's
like Wilson, McMahon and Steve Young. Howard's teams were very competitive with
BYU. I remember watching the 1978 won by Utah 29-28. It was my first of 20
straight games I was able to see in person from these rivals. As a 13 year-old
Cougar fan I was pretty upset with the Ute win but it began a love affair with
this great rivalry and Howard made it fun!
Your analogies need a little work, but keep trying you'll get there.
Except for the football game in the middle of this whole mess, I really hate
this rivalry. It never quits. It is always going on. Ute fan talks about how bad
BYU fan. BYU fan talks about how Ute fan wants to be Y fan.Lame.
Really.I'm a BYU fan who hates where this rivalry goes when the
football game is over.
Thank you for pointing out what Coach Mac did for Utah football. He moved the
program to a level it hadn't been in my lifetime, and did it with personality
that was appreciated by Utah fans and foes alike. His success and recruiting
set the table for unprecedented success in the last seven years.I
look forward to a hard fought, competitive game this weekend. Hopefully the
Utes come out on top!
More BYU "fans" called Wayne Howard's radio show than Ute fans? I had no idea
there were more Ute haters than BYU fans back in the 70's. Just like the 90's.
Just like the 2000's. More things change, more they stay the same.
Sounds to me like we should put up a statue for Wayne Howard. Fans from the
school down south make it easy to feel the way Wayne felt.
I'm pretty sure Howard going 1-5 against BYU didn't make the game a great
rivalry. It was one sided for Howard and it continued to be one-sided for
nearly 20 years after he left. The accolade for making this a great rivalry, in
my humble opinion, belongs to coach Mac for his great work in the mid to late
90's. Myer and KW have kept the game exciting every year and brought the U to
new heights, but Mac put a previously one-sided rivalry on the map. But I guess
Rock has to try to make an article about a coach over a mostly medicore team
interesting somehow, so he can take credit for making the rivalry for one
article, however meritless that may be.
Nice article about a former coach and his mark left on the team. Investing in
apartments and high end housing must have been quite profitable for him to
retire at 61. Now to Saturdays game. Go Cougars. Get Emotional
and have fun for the last game of the season.
There is a program the have been airing on the MTN about the Rivalry that
explained this pretty well. Great Story.Go Utes!
I think Coach Howard hated BYU's coaches and players, I think the rest of us
just feel like that about Cougar fans, and probably Bronco for talking like he's
on medication all the time. I've never met a group of people who know so little
about football yet act and talk like they know so much. I've laughed on many
occasions listening to Cougar fans explain their football theories, great
stuff.I liken it unto a freshman math student who is trying to impress his
fellow classmates with his vast math knowledge, what he doesn't know is that
he's in a room with a bunch of MIT math professors who are doing everything they
can to encourage this kid while trying with all their might, mind, and strength
to not laugh out loud in the kids face.
Good thing he wasn't coaching WYO when Whit onsides kicked them. He would have
had a coronary on the spot!
Never met Coach Howard but heard a few stories from some of the older players.
They thought it was fun playing for him.Thankfully Jim Fassel
started up the "missionary" program and recruited me. Previous to Fassel if you
wanted to go on a mission they were not holding your scholarship.I'm
happy to know what happened to Coach Howard. Thanks for update.This
Saturday's game has the making of another epic battle. Hopefully it is close.
He thinks BYU was bad for doing that in one game, look at one of the u's more
recent coaches, Meyer. He runs up the score every chance he gets, and did it at
Utah all the time too.
Its time to de-Howaed the rivelryIts just football
Dear little brothers,Your big brothers from north will be
visiting you this Saturday. So get ready. Stuff yourselves with turkey,
blueberry sauce (you don't deserve the red cranberry sauce), corn, peas, etc.
Then your big brothers will whip you good.Utah 35BYU 14
Nothing wrong with wanting to beat BYU.Who doesn't?Utah
Fun article! I feel your hate.I love this rivalry, makes fall
something to look forward to.Thanks Coach Howard ;o)
I wonder if Howard would have put his QB back into the game (Wilson had already
been benched) when he was told by assistants that he only needed 8 yards to set
an NCAA record. LaVell didn't dream that the 8 yards would turn into a huge ran
after catch for a TD. The game was already lost. Howard should have
congratulated Wilson. Instead, he throws a temper tantrum. Real classy guy.How many times did he beat BYU? He hated BYU, but LaVell had his number.
He can retire thinking about that. Rivalry is great. Hate is stupid. I rooted
for the Utes in 'bama game last year and every time they play a non-MWC
opponent, but I'll be cheering against them this Saturday! Go Blue!
Coach Howard led the way. I've named children and pets after him. A man like
this didn't come around very often, but when one does, it's such a refreshing
change that the world has to stop and take notice.