Comments about ‘Hate crimes against gays rose 11%, data show’

One cannot say that a crime is a hate crime, wether you beat someone up or vandalize someone's property, because they are gay or because you just want to vandalize it is the same crime, and you deserve to be punished for it. The only reason they want to create the hate crimes law is to create a protected class of martyrs, namely the gay community.

For those against hate crimes, what would you say now?

Should we wait till this number rises? 11, 20, 50%?

How much is enough?

Better question, would you care if this number targeted you?

How many of the hate crimes against religion were carried out by gays? That would be interesting to find out.

If therre is such a thing as a "hate" crime then there must also be something such as a "love" crime. I guess that's when the guy robing you or beating you up smiles as he's doing it.

'The only reason they want to create the hate crimes law is to create a protected class of martyrs, namely the gay community.' - 7:28 a.m.

Wrong.

You know what Mathew Sheppard's killers were arrested for?

Robbery.

You know what happend to the family that beat DJ Bell & his parnter?

Nothing.

Hate crimes were created because local authority often downplayed or even IGNORED hate crimes. They can be proven by target attacks in the past, warning about these attacks, or even ADMISSION that the attacker targeted a group.

Don't like hate crimes? Fine. However, I doubt the gay community is using the 'discrimination card' when hate crimes only have covered orientation for less than one month.

Previously it covered race, disability, gender and religion among others.

Since I'm pretty sure you probably belong to ONE of these, hate crime covers YOU.

To say the gay community wants a protected class when this article shows crimes against it rose by 11% says 'it's ok to beat up gay people.'

And THAT is why this bill was created.

For those who think violence against a group is 'ok.'

It is not.

...radical gays' assault against traditional family values and societal norms rose by 111%.

I wonder what the increase in gays throwing tantrums has been lately as the LDS church exercises its own rights of free speech and defense of good values?

' In the meantime radical gays' assault against traditional family values and societal norms rose by 111%.' - 8:27 a.m.

Hate is not a family value.

There is not justification for violent crime.

Poster at 8:27, the only thing missing from your comment is maybe another digit. You are absolutel right.

And what was the percentage increase by gays in hate crimes against Mormons exercising their Constitutional rights of free speech and defense of all decency? A lot higher than 11%

These are hate crimes. People fight all the time, but a lot of times it's not because of "hate," but because of the heat of the moment. I, as well as many others, I'm sure, have been in fights in my lifetime; and when the fight was over - usually when there's a bloody nose involved - the fight stops and the two are friends again, or at least shake hands a move on. These fights were not spurred on by hate. Even bar fights start not because of intent, but when emotions - and alcohol usually - are out of control, but not because someone was singled out. When a person is singled out solely because of who they are - whether it be they are gay or a certain race or religion - that is a hate crime: The only reason for hurting this person is based on a hatred for that person's beliefs. You can disagree with the lifestyle, and you have every right to do so, but you cannot deny when it's hate.

@In the Meantime: And this affects you how?

One more thing: If Mormon missionaries all over the world were beaten up because they were just that, Mormon missionaries, and it was only the Mormon missionaries, would that be a hate crime against Mormon missionaries, or just another crime? Would you all be singing the same tune as you are with gays; i.e., let's not protect the Mormon missionaries and make them martyrs or their religion?

reason | 7:28 a.m. Nov. 24, 2009
One cannot say that a crime is a hate crime, wether you beat someone up or vandalize someone's property, because they are gay or because you just want to vandalize it is the same crime, and you deserve to be punished for it. The only reason they want to create the hate crimes law is to create a protected class of martyrs, namely the gay community.
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Change your name, reason. There is very little reason behind your post. RELIGION has been a protected class for a long time. Much longer than gays.

Remember when they shot Joseph Smith. Hate crime against Mormons. It worked. Mormons moved out of Illinois and left those people alone.

This is a protection, not just for the individual, but for EVERYONE who fits in the protected group.

Laws will not protect the "in your face crowd" from beatings until the "in your face crowd" stops getting in everyone's face......

from now on I am going to call hate crimes, FACETIME!

'And what was the percentage increase by gays in hate crimes against Mormons exercising their Constitutional rights of free speech and defense of all decency? A lot higher than 11%' - 9:03 a.m.

Notice, that was an assumption.

So, it's ok to be a gay hate crime victim because your a BIGGER victim?

Way to be decent.

To 1st Pagan: So I take it you don't count it a hate crime to draw graffitti on Temple Grounds, push elderly ladies to the ground when trying to attend the temple, force proponents to resign from a job or take a leave of absence from their job for simply contributing 100.00 or more to a cause they believed in.

Why, isn't that a hate crime? Yes, I agree with you that it was a hate crime when Sheppard was beaten, strung up with barb wire and left to die. It was terrible and a trajedy. The young men who did it were drunk for the most part but that is an excuse for them doing it. Just as it is an excuse for them to say he hit upon them. So what, all they had to do is say sorry, I don't do that and leave it at that. Just because they were LDS doesn't mean they were following the teachings of the Church. They were drinking, a clear violation of the teachings of the Church. They murdered another human being and have probably been excommunicated from the Church for such.

8:27, 9:01, and 9:03. You are absolutely correct!

The press always covers one side of a story. I am amazed at how many LDS church members have been under assault because they exercised their first ammendment rights.

There is so much hate here, it is troubling that anyone would defend violence in any way.

'Mormon missionaries, would that be a hate crime against Mormon missionaries, or just another crime?' - 9:07 a.m.

Xscribe, to answer your question 'yes.'

It would still be a hate crime. However, religion has been covered under hate crime since it's inception.

Orientation, straight or gay, has only been covered under hate crime for less than 30 days.

Both should and now are, covered. And if a person targets a group, they should be punished according to these protections.

Which, as this report mentions, is needed.

should the title be hate crimes by gays, rather than hate crimes against gays. They both rose about the same amount, however, I would say hate crimes by gays rose a little higher.