Published: Monday, Nov. 23 2009 12:15 a.m. MST
Should simple assault be prosecuted the same as first degree murder? There are
vast differences in DUI circumstances.
Death to drunk drivers! No, death is too good! We need to torture them slowly
and brutally, with medieval implements of pain, and then throw them out in the
gutter. In the rain.
One drunk driver is too many. One child finding dads' gun in the house is not.
One distracted driver is not. Several cigarette smokers per day...not. However
many die from secondhand smoke...it is not too many. We rail agains the drunk
drivers, and we should, but they're not the only ones making poor decisions with
The average drinking driver wants exactly the same thing everybody else who
drives does--to get where they're going safely and conveniently. The fact that
they are SLIGHTLY worse at it than the average sober driver seems to drive our
society nuts! There are plenty of bigger problems to worry about
than making our draconian DUI laws even more unreasonable.
"If our laws were stricter, we would have much less drunken driving"This is simply not true and shows a lack of actual thought on the writers
Hear, hear!The big difference between DUI and ALL other activities
cited by these smarmy defenders of drunks is this -- DUI is the readily
predictable consequence of an unnecessary and indefensible vice.That
puts it in a COMPLETELY separate category from those other offenses committed
during the careless pursuit of necessary or desirable everyday activities.Innocent vitims of DUI are asked to involuntarily subsidize what selfish
losers have come to regard as their "right to party."And, of course,
they are aided and abetted in this pillaging of innocents by the best
politicians "hospitality industry" money can buy.Sadly, because of
that money, the carnage will continue until there is enough outrage to tackle
the real problem -- the enablers and promoters in the "hospitality industry."If we properly incentivize these feckless, but intelligent businessmen,
THEY will come up with ways to stop the slaughter of innocents. It's an easy fix -- liberalize dram shop laws and apply them to brewers,
distillers, and distributors.But, it won't happen until politicians
think more of their contituents than they do of their contributors.
RE: Rail against DUI! | 8:32 a.m. Nov. 23, 2009 "DUI is the readily
predictable consequence of an unnecessary and indefensible vice."So
when I have a drink, it's easy to predict that I'm going to get a DUI, even
though I don't drink?"And, of course, they are aided and
abetted in this pillaging of innocents by the best politicians "hospitality
industry" money can buy."Why is there a shortage of liquor licenses
if the politicians have been bought off by the "hospitality industry"?Are you really that paranoid, or have you just skipped your morning coffee and
No law is too strict? Capital punishment?
Rail against DUI! | 8:32 a.m. Nov. 23, 2009 said "It's an easy fix --
liberalize dram shop laws and apply them to brewers, distillers, and
distributors".That is plain silly, not everyone who drinks will
drive while drunk. That is akin to saying that because someone texts while
driving we need to punish the cell phone companies.
It's not the drunks fault they get drunk though. They are predisposed to
getting drunk. They were born that way. The liberals would have us believe
that nothing is ever anyone's fault(except Bush's) and that the rest of society
should take an equal share of responsibility for someone else's dumb decisions
To Common, Anon:Why is it that I am expected to meekly and happily
run the risk that you'll drink, then drive? Why should I pay for your "right to
party?"Would it be OK for me to walk through your living room
twirling my hogleg pistol? I susptect you'd object, and rightly so. Why should
you be required to pay for my "right to twirl?"You shouldn't.And I shouldn't be required to shoulder the entire burden of you
drinking irresponsibly and driving when you're impaired.That's why,
even though I'm just as committed to my hogleg twirling as you are to your
drinking, I don't object to restrictions on twirling, and I fully expect to pay
the consequences of my negligence. I'm sure we both expect hogleg twirling
promoters to ante up their fair share, as well.So, unless you
suggest partying occupies some favored, protected position in our society, you
should have the same expectations for your hobby as I do for mine.
"The liberals would have us believe that nothing is ever anyone's fault"Strawman much? I could just as easily say that conservatives believe
that women should wear burkas anytime they are in public. Its OK, I understand
that as a conservative with the simple minded there is no way to define yourself
without logical fallacies. (wow that is fun)
Having DUI laws does not stop drunks from getting behind the wheel of whatever
vehicle they can find keys to. There is an answer to the problem since people
will NEVER quit the alchol. Taking away a license does not work either. But
now we have impaired individuals driving while trying to either text or dial
cell phones. What the answer is, I'm not sure anyone knows. Until it is
found, more people will suffer the consequences of bad decisions on the part of
drivers who made them.
Stricter laws do not equal less drunken drivers. Better public transportation
would be a much better solution to the problem. If people have more options of
getting around, especially at night, that would help to reduce the problem.
While I agree that even one drunken driving accident is to many may I suggest
that prevention is a far better way to reduce this risk then the threat of
punishment if they get caught.
I am a liberal and I am in favor of the strictest possible DUI penalties. One
violation, no license -- ever. You will pay a ruinous fine, you will never be
insured, and you will never drive again. And if we catch you, you will really
wish we hadn't.
In Norway, anyone caught driving with any alcohol in the blood receives a six
month jail sentence and revocation of their driver's license for life.To many people this may seem over the top, but Norwegians live with it and
find other ways to get around when they have drunk alcohol. They take a bus, a
taxi, or just walk. And the low number of highway deaths in that country is
proof of the wisdom of the laws.There is no reason why we can't
impose the same restrictions.
There IS an answer to the problem!The answer is to incentivize the
enablers and promoters. Let the free-market, entrepenueurial juices flow!Enablers like bar owners could insist drinking patrons show proof of a
taxi or non-drinking buddy ride home. Distributors could enforce the rule by
refusing to sell to high-risk establishments. Distillers and brewers could
divert a tiny percentage of their billions in blood money profits to a fund used
to police the rules and rehab the drunks.Or, better yet -- let THEM,
the enablers and promoters, come up with their own foolproof, yet cost-effective
ways of protecting the innocent from the carnage that enriches them.They're smarter about this than I am, being much closer to the problem.At any rate -- the solution is clear and simple. It only requires us
liberalize dram shop laws to incentivize the industry to do the right thing.It would also be politically easy if it weren't for the dirty money
injected into politics by the "hospitality industry."
It would be wonderful if we had specific laws in place that would guarantee no
more DUIs would occur. It would be heaven if we could all leave our homes,
knowing for sure we will all get to where we are going safe, but that's not
possible.The fact is, all the DUI laws in the world would stop
certain people from getting blasted with booze, then getting behind the wheel of
a car. If you were to commit premediated murder and get caught,
there's a pretty good chance you will either spend the rest of your life in
prison, or you will face the death penalty. Laws don't get much stricter than
that. But nevertheless, murders are still committed every day.
OOPS! I meant to say "won't stop." Sorry.
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