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Lies shatter Utah family

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Healing | 10:42 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
This is sad, but why is this in the newspaper? What are we as readers in the public supposed to do with this information?

Just something to think about. Does the media think that the solutions to the ills of our society and individuals come from exposure? Is exposure and "awareness" the beginning of healing and correction?

Just some thoughts. Of course it's important for the victims and the family members to discuss it out...but do hundreds of thousands of people need to know this?

And if we need this, is it for preventive purposes, as scare tactics, or simply punitive purposes? Are we supposed to now come to this family and try to comfort them collectively by helping them heal?

I don't even claim to have the answers to these questions in their fullest, but I definitely do feel some of these questions should be addressed.

Pain is hard, and the more prolonged it is, the more difficult. People deal with pain differently, that is definite.

Many feature news stories have inspired me. But I honestly can't think of a single one that inspired me to be better from a negative angle.
Rob | 10:55 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Maybe someone knows something. Thank you for this story and I am so proud of you young women keeping the family together. You are wise beyond your years. Keep going forward like you are.
another reader | 10:56 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Wow, talk about systems manipulation... state, federal, family, and beyond.

I am not sure about the mental health diagnosis, usually men with that diagnosis are not as "successful" as this man has appeared to be.

besides, it paints a portrait that is not fair... he just sounds like paranoid manipulator. I have one in my family too...


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Gilbert | 11:00 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Very interesting story, I can't believe Mr. McNeil got away with everything for so long! I enjoyed reading this.
Sue | 11:07 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I don't think this story is meant to be inspiring. I think it is real life, and a tale of how one very deceptive human being duped his whole family for years. I think of it as more of a wake-up call to the rest of us here in Utah, that people aren't always what they seem, and to use your better judgment. We have been reading many scam stories lately because Mormons are very accepting and trusting.
re: healing | 11:23 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
You, sir or madam, are naive.

This isn't the only person out there like this, right now, in our state.

Stories like this inform not only potential victims, but authorities so they don't "laugh" next time someone suggests something like this is happening.

Stories like this inform banks, governments, and other organizations upon whom these crooks are trying to perpetuate fraud.

Thanks for the story -- there are more out there.
Re: Healing | 11:33 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I think the public should be aware in part because this guy has been around for a long time and many others have fallen victim to his schemes. Any time he practiced law or medicine, any of his clients or patients were victims. They should definitely be aware of the situation, and it may lead to additional information about him.

I don't know that the story was intended to be inspirational, but I do feel sorry for MacNeill's family. My prayers and best wishes go out to them.
HS | 11:42 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Wow. How sad. He adopted three children before being caught? Was in numerous identity and social security scams, and he got away with it while being a doctor? I have seen firsthand this kind of story with a drugged out mother as the star, but I would never expect this smart doctor who had a great family to do anthing like this. The governmental systems are not too well run, also. If they were, they would have thought something was up when the doctor had so many discrepancies in his records and dealings.
How horrible | 12:02 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
I hope this does not ruin their image of all men in hopes that they may be able to build families with foundations of trust and virtue rather than the despicable and selfish actions of the man they know now.

I hope all will be better for their futures and I proudly say as a man who is proud to say that Family is first and worldly treasure only wilts away. Any man who cannot recognize this does not know life or any meaning behind it.

The world pretends to philosophize lending to dark paths of greediness and family destroying "values" - the real value is in family and devoting your time to protecting it and strengthening it's bonds.

If all might lend their children the constant devotion that they are easily able to give to television and partying and self-interests; what would the world suffer if this took place? I might also ask if we only spent 1/10th the time we do on T.V./computers with family instead and without distraction then this alone would do so much good for everyone.

"Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness..."
Alexis MacNeill | 12:24 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
We wanted to get this story out in order to help with my mothers homicide investigation. We now know my father victimized so many people. He needs to be brought to justice. He has hurt so many as well as murdered my mother. My mother, Michele Marie MacNeill, was the best person I have ever known. She was my best friend and devoted her entire life to her family. Please if anyone knows anything about my father contact Doug Witney at the Utah County Attorney's Office, or contact us through Rachel MacNeill's blog.
(FROM A VERY OLD FRIEND) RHONDA  | 12:55 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
I AM SO "PROUD OF ALL THE GIRLS" FOR STAYING TOGETHER, AS THEY WERE, AND SHOULD BE...

THEY ARE A BRAVE, LOVING, AND LOYAL FAMILY, AND NOTHING WILL TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM.

BE AT PEACE MICHELE,... AND GIRLS, GO, SEEK, AND KEEP BELIEVING, AND YOU TOO... SHALL BE AT PEACE,
IN WHAT YOU DO,... FOR YOUR MOTHER, MICHELE.

~*~ SUCH A BEAUTIFUL ANGEL, WATCHING OVER~
ALL OF YOU ~*~
Sociopath... | 1:34 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
I just read an article entitled, "The Cost of White Lies" by "Doctor" Martin MacNeill. I couldn't believe what I just read! He is truly a sociopath with absolutely no conscious. I have no doubt he was capable of committing murder without a second thought as long as it served his purposes. It disgusts me that he trampled on his family who should have been the source of his greatest joy. He will receive his due justice no doubt! The punishment available on earth isn't capable of enacting the justice he deserves!

I also saw a video about Michele Marie MacNeill. She is the antithesis of her despicable ex-husband. Her love and devotion to her family was very clear to me. What a wonderful woman! This just breaks my heart...

Often the greatest tragedies are what make us the strongest. I pray the children can look to each other for strength, as well as their Father in Heaven. Their earthly father doesn't deserve them in the least...
CP | 2:46 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
I applaud the MacNeill sisters for working hard to keep their younger siblings safe. I hope this mess can all get worked out. It's a shame there are so many selfish people out there that even want to ruin their own families in the process. I also hope that their brother will one day sit down and actually listen to his sisters. Cause a person in their right mind would never "give away" their own kids to another family to try to get over depression of losing a loved one especially when their are already older children in the family to care for the younger ones. Keep fighting for your family and thanks for sharing your story.
For the family. | 3:47 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
I've never met any of this family and it all sounds nightmarish and macabre. The main thing that revealing and publishing this story does for them all is help them all heal with no secrets or inhibitions for the family to hide in a dark family closet. They are accepting the truth and moving on while at the same time publicly ridiculing this man for his life of deception to them and everyone in their lives.

It takes a lot of courage for them to do what they have been doing and getting their lives in order. They know it will be long and hard to overcome and now all they can hope for is public support. They are not asking for pity or sympathy they are beginning their future with an open book.

They may never find all the answers but acceptance of their lost past makes for a new beginning.

This story also reveals the intensity and deception of what a psychopath will do to deceive. It's not always for greed or money, but that they can do it and its a victory in their minds.
Jill Jackson | 4:06 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
People! Don't be so Naive! This man could be YOUR doctor. You have GOT to raise your awareness levels. Not to paranoia. This is education. I personaly know Rachel & if this terror can happen to this family, it can happen to anyone! YES YOU!What? You can't handle the truth? You think avoiding will make it not real!? This family is suffering, & hurting BADLY. Have some compassion! Do NOT judge here. You haven't walked in their shoes, and then thank God that you haven't. Pray that you NEVER will! Pray for these two young girls taking very good care of their young sisters as their hearts are broken. Or go ahead & live in your fantasy world & do nothing. Don't wonder why!?? when a wall comes crashing down on you! Pray for this entire family! Please! Look at this through their eyes. Look with your HEARTS! If you're truly brave enough to do that, don't be surprised when you start sobbing. They are already broken hearted & some of you, you poor things are complaining because you heard about it? THIS is their lives! I feel sorry for those of you who dont GET IT!
Justice | 5:14 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
In answer to the question of why post this, I would say that Michele's death deserves a full and fair investigation. Anyone would want a thorough investigation into a loved-one's death.

Yes it may prolong some pain and suffering to a certain extent, but this is certainly a case that needs more investigating.

My best wishes for the children in this family!
John | 6:04 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Unfortunately this seems to be more common in the LDS world. We tend to trust more than we should and make the mistake of thinking that church attendance implies a great person. Be careful out there.
John Power | 6:09 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Alexis, thank you for sharing your story. It is indeed sad, and I hope that justice is done. You are, to me, a brave young woman.
Bob in line | 6:10 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Very compelling story, and sad. I'm sorry the daughters are going through this. Interesting the son's take on it. I know Doug Whitney on a semi-personal basis and trust him completely. When Doug Whitney says something is afoot, something is afoot. Period!

Alexis, I personally wish you and this situation the best. There are several classifications of drugs that will stop the heart and are virtually untraceable. I'm sure your sister is learning this. I learned of it while serving in the military, though I am not a medical type. Just military intelligence training.

Again, best of luck. I will look for Rachel's blog.
vftc | 7:07 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
I too had a husband who lead a double life.....I suspected much, but didn't realize the extent thereof, until I found letters and other items etc after his death.

THESE THINGS CAN AND DO HAPPEN!

So many in the community thought my husband was this "wonderful" man....he betrayed not only me, but his children, and his posterity throughout all the ages....to say nothing of his faith (or, lack thereof) and God.

My heart and prayers are w/ these young women. I say to them, go forward and live your life. Celebrate your mother's legacy to you.
Me | 7:09 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Good luck to you Alexis and Family.
Kitchy | 7:16 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Justice will prevail, if not here then in the hereafter. He will not get away with your mother's death. Someone like this needs to be caught and dealt with heavily. There are many substances that can mimic a heart attack such as insulin. There are others that are not traceable. Someone isn't doing their job if this is just let go with the coroner's finding of natural causes.
I'm impressed | 7:29 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
I'm impressed that these young women can keep it together after losing their mother to death and their father to a life of deception. Their strength in trying to keep the rest of the family together is admirable.
YIKES | 7:31 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
A tragedy, all around.

VA Disability, 100% Social Security, Attorney, MD., husband, father, adopted children, adulterer, possible murderer, prisoner.

No one suspected anything until the mom, prior to her death, talked to the daughter.

In this day and age, I feel the cynic, in me, starting to question...; however, at the same time, I'm sad, for everyone in this story.

Kaye | 7:32 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Great job Sara! This just might help the family heal and move forward.
American Citizen | 7:37 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Dear Alexis,

Look ahead and continue the legacy your mom gave you. Society's imperfect system of justice may or may not punish your dad for his acts.

However, there is a final perfect judgement no one can manipulate. In a hundred years or less you will know the complete truth and the good people of your family will be together again.

Don't waste time on revenge. God knows what's going on and He will deal with it in His own way and His own time. Patience takes discipline, but pays off.

In the mean time, apply the values your mom taught you to build a wonderful life for you and your famiy.
Sue | 7:40 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
You are amazing young women. Thank you for sharing your story.
Long-Haired Pete | 7:44 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
"Healing" (10:42pm)
comments of this poster are mean-spirited. This story is criticized because the poster does not need to know it? Because the poster decides that he/she does not "need" this story that it somehow is not news? I do not need to read about child abuse, fatal car crashes, pyramid schemes, or murder, but that does not mean it is not news.

I wish the women mentioned in the story find a lasting peace and that they find the answers which they seek. May God bless you all.
Labels | 7:52 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
John - read the story again. The article stated that the man had credibility because he was a doctor and a lawyer not because he was LDS. How shallow to trust someone simply because of their religious beliefs.

Alexis - Thanks for sharing your story. All will work out.
Anonymous | 8:00 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Sue:: What have mormons got to do with this story?
re: healing | 8:03 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Unfortunately for you, not all news is good news. I don't read articles to be inspired. I like to learn a variety of things from news sources. I don't think we are required to do something when we read an article. In fact, no one is required to read any newspaper at all, and certainly not every article in a newspaper. For some people this article is pertinent information--maybe he was their doctor or they associated with this family in some other way. For all those who aren't interested: don't read the article. If you only want to be inspired, stick to Reader's Digest or the Ensign.
Anonymous | 8:05 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
John::why bring the church into this. the church didn't do anything
@John | 8:14 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Sounds like you have an axe to grind. No, it is not more common in the "LDS world." Just read the newspapers from CA, NY, and anywhere else in the world.

This man may have been living as a member of the LDS religion. But he was not truly a Christian nor a Mormon if the allegations are correct.

Terribe tragedy. I have no doubts he probably offed his wife, but as a medical doctor, I'm sure he was able to easily make it look like a heart attack and did it in such a way that death - and time - will have left no provable trace.

His son needs to wake up and face the facts.
good coverage! | 8:17 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
get to the heart of the matter as I don't trust many in wolfe in sheep's clothing with their cloven hoofs. Hang in there girls , you make the world go around as I pitty the fool who tries this on me and mine! again great story ..has nothing to do against the LDS church what so ever...as all the way through history the evil know no bounds!
yes | 8:21 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
I agree
RE: healing | 8:23 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
This kind of crap happens all over the world today. Do you really know the person you live with or do you think you know? Think about it?????
chandevry | 8:37 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Girls..."all these things shall work together for your good." Keep going and working on this...in the end all will work out. God bless you! I admire your strenght and wisdom.
iamsure | 8:41 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
What was he doing in the temple? Not exactly temple worthy.
Chico | 8:56 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Alexis, your strength and resilience through this entire ordeal has been the source of hope for your entire family. Had it not been for your and Rachel's efforts, circumstances would likely have been much different. It was not long ago that only a handful of people believed anything about your dad's deception, that you have been trying so hard for so long to convince them of. Now, as bits and pieces of facts slowly surface, everyone sees what kind of person he is, and all the pain he has caused to so many people.

Your little sisters always have and always will look up to you. They have you to thank for keeping you all together, and preserving the love and happiness you all knew growing up. While it would have been so much easier for anyone else to give up, you kept fighting, and I know you will never stop. Don't ever stop, Alexis.

I know your mom is so proud.
Pagan | 8:58 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
I think this is one example of how a family built on lies will unfortunately suffer for it.

Well done to the girls for taking responsibility!
Stay strong!!!! | 9:00 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
What a snake this guy is!! Definitely not deserving of such an incredible family. Hopefully some time to think will be good for him. A LOT of time.
This family obviously got their intelligence and integrity from their mother!
Girls: Great job!! Continue moving forward and keep your mother's legacy alive! Her success is proven through all of YOU!!!

SLC gal | 9:02 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Alexis, the fact that you're still going to med school, and your sisters are still sticking together in spite of everything, you girls ARE an inspiration. I hope you find the answers you so richly deserve.
Ben | 9:05 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Didn't Joseph Smith say something about lying for the Lord?
Simone | 9:08 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
A made-for-tv movie, for sure.
jooj | 9:15 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
One of the saddest parts of this story is that the son Damien is so adamant in his protection of his father that he refuses to see the truth which has been proven by the law, and has estranged himself from his sisters who are struggling to do the right thing.

Damien, your sisters are not "trashing" your father, they are outraged and hurt and humiliated and devastated that a man who should have protected them and been faithful and true ended up being unbelievably evil and devious. Why do you protect and defend this behavior? Just because he is your father does not excuse it.

I am sorry for the damage done to this family. It is similar to the division and chaos in my family caused by my husbands mother. It's crazy.
Rich | 9:18 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
My thoughts are with the innocent family members, including the son, who someday will most likely see the truth. I hope the father had nothing to do with his wife's death, and until there is evidence to the contrary I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But he already has proved that he is a liar and a cheat, that he has done things to hurt others with little or no remorse, and that he enjoys beating the system. Unfortunately, many murderers have these same traits, so it wouldn't surprise me a bit that if the truth ever comes out, the father is proven to be a murderer.
Mark Terran | 9:22 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
"Does the media think that the solutions to the ills of our society and individuals come from exposure? Is exposure and "awareness" the beginning of healing and correction?"

Uh, actually, YEAH, IT IS. Because the TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE, that's why.

The truth may make some others uncomfortable (especially those who are guilty themselves).

But that's TOUGH. Because these women have a RIGHT to the truth, and are entitled to the JUSTICE of the truth being known.

And it is good for us too. It is because such things are kept "discreet" that they are allowed to continue, and are allowed to occur again and again in society.

I can personally relate to this story in several ways. Good for these women! They're well on their way to a new and better life. And good reporting by the writer.
Mark Terran | 9:32 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
"Healing" (10:42pm) said:

"Does the media think that the solutions to the ills of our society and individuals come from exposure? Is exposure and "awareness" the beginning of healing and correction?"

Uh, actually, YEAH, IT IS. Because the TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE, that's why.

The truth may make some others uncomfortable (especially those who are guilty themselves).

But that's TOUGH. Because these women have a RIGHT to the truth, and are entitled to the JUSTICE of the truth being known.

And it is good for us too. It is because such things are kept "discreet" that they are allowed to continue, and are allowed to occur again and again in society.

I can personally relate to this story in several ways. Good for these women! They're well on their way to a new and better life. And good reporting by the writer.
Sammy | 9:33 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Wow. What a story. Sorry you are dealing with such crazy events. Hang in there. The last days are full of surprises. Be strong. Have Faith. Do the right thing.

Words to live by.
wow | 9:38 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009
Imagine having a doctor treat you who didn't even graduate from high school!!! This story does need to be told to make the public aware of his fraud and deceit. As a doctor I'm sure he had access to all sorts of ways of making it look like a heart attack.

I hope his son comes out of his denial and supports his sisters. They loved their dad too and aren't making this stuff up to make his life miserable. I had a good friend whose father had an incestuous relationship with his daughter. His son refused to accept the truth even though the evidence was clear and convincing. The son freaked when his dad was exed from the Church and blamed his innocent, vulnerable sister for this whole mess. Truly, truly sad when people refuse to accept the truth.

Best wishes to the family that they find peace and the answers they seek. Please know that not all men are vile. There are very good men out there and I hope they each find one of their own.

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