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Utah Jazz: Rookies had to grow up quickly

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l mill | 1:46 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Maynor and Mathews are studs they better get playing time it was just nice to see a change Mathews is by far our best shooting guard. Heck maynor played like he could take over d wills starting spot
Cowboy Joe | 7:28 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
They better not get used to playing so much. When DWILL and Price come back Maynor will get 4 minutes a game and when Korver and Miles return Mathews will not get off the bench. Thats's the Slowns way.

What happened to Koufos and Fes. I thought that they had been playing better this year. Why no playing time?

Boozer is our best player when he wants to be.
Anonymous | 7:31 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Maynor is the man. Time to trade D-Will while his value is still high.
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This Just Proves | 7:32 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Spot minutes and limited playing time are hard times to show yourself, the coaches and we the fans that you can handle NBA pressure. I believe two things played positive for these players and that was they knew they were going to get many minutes of play and a mistake or two was not going to bench them, that alone is a confidence builder. Then when they did play they got enough time to get into a flow, and could relax and play a game that they probaly have been playing for 10-15 years. Also the coaches were able to analyize their games better under extended minutes. A plus, plus for all. Now give Fess & KK the same chance to see if they belong! If not it's just back to the bench or something else.
Saintly Gent | 8:08 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Please worship God not sports figures. Protect your soul from silly things!
Scouting  | 8:24 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
There's no scouting report on Maynor or Matthews, yet, so they can use that to their advantage for a while. I like both of these guys.
here today gone ..... | 9:18 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Wesley Matthews really shows the Jazz they could loosen up a place on the roster that is now occupied by Korver.

Ronnie Price brings something to the game that Maynor doesn't so he may stay. Too bad it doesn't include scoring.
Matthews and Maynor for Mayor !! | 9:28 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I agree if these two get benched !!!!!!!! Matthews for sure, I mean he is doing now what we have been waiting for these others to do for years. He makes an impact on the game. And he defends well. Miles still has not come through and Korver has never really got rolling. Point is lets stop waiting and go with the young kid. Matthews is doing it now , dont mess it up Utah !!!!!!!!

I dont care about the Boozer thing or the draft picks, those things will take care of themselves when the time comes. But I do care about these two guys that have shown so much promise. If the jazz mess this up or them up , it will do some serious damage to my loyalty.
Miles is better | 9:38 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Miles is better than Matthews. Hate to burst your bubble.
Burst whose bubble? | 9:53 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Matthews is WWAAAYY better then Miles was at the same point in their careers... no comparison, not even close. I'd take Matthew's upside any day over Miles.

Matthews is an unproven long term commodity. Miles has proven that after three seasons, he still has a way to go.

Burst your bubble? good grief.
Love Jerry | 9:54 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
but this proves that he needs to give guys like Fesenko some confidence by letting them play.

Fesenko has:

* a huge defensive presence
* speed to stay with his man
* improved focus and attitude
* a very high basketball IQ -- he's not going to throw the ball away
* very good post moves
* GREAT hands -- Ostertag he's not
* HUGE SIZE to clog up the middle

We need interior defense. Fes has a +16 going for the year. I just don't get it.
re: M & M for Mayor | 9:54 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
"If the jazz mess this up or them up".

Uh, how do you think they got their chance? The Jazz drafted Maynor and the Jazz scouted out Matthews and invite him to camp and gave him a shot and believed in him despite several guys, like Dupree, who were expected to get a chance for the roster spot before him.

Instead of criticizing the organization that gave these guys their opportunity and developing them to this point, you should just maybe give credit where credit is due.

These guys would not be here if it were not for the very organization who you insinuate would ruin them.

I never heard any of you guys pre draft saying we need Maynor and Matthews..but the Jazz organization picked/found them and here we are.

These rookies have some promising skillsets.

1. Price? Sorry but you are back to 3rd PG.

2.Ronnie Brewer? Sorry you don't defend well and you sure can't shoot. Matthews can and for a whole lot less money. Its been nice knowing you Brew.

This team is over the cap and Brewer is not worth what he is asking.
Houdini | 9:56 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
All these kids need and I`m including Fes and Koufos are minutes,and I mean tough minutes with the games on the line.Don`t give up on Williams and Brewer so quickly,they`ll be back,just like Boozer is coming back,this IS a nice team but we need all the pieces to mesh,get Korver back and send miles packin...we`ll be fine
Better!!! | 9:59 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
All I can say, is that the jazz have played MUCH better as a TEAM over the past two games, than they have played all year with the Big Names in the line up. I think the brass should make some of the "veterans" earn their playing time back from the rookies if they want to get playing time.
If all of the "regulars" would have played against the Cavs, the loss would have been by a lot more that 4 points. Keep the rookies in the line up. Let the "regulars" 'EARN' their spots back.
fortydam | 10:00 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Miles should stay, (shooting) Mathews should stay, (shooting/defense) Price should stay, (Jazz best perimeter defender). Korver can go, (too inconsistent, no defense, expensive).
Next Month | 10:11 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
D Will - Eric Maynor - Price
C.J.Miles - Wes Matthews - Price
Kirilenko - Brewer - Korver
Okur - Boozer - Milsap
Fess - Koufos - Okur

Trade list:
Boozer
Harpring
Korver
Kirilenko
RE: Miles is better | 10:12 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Really? Well I think you are chasing a dream !!!

Career

Miles- Pts. 5.9 - Reb. 1.7 - 3pt. 34% - FG% 44%

Matthews- Pts. 7.6 - Reb. 1.3 - 3pt. 46% - FG% 50%

Assist and steals are pretty much the same.

Matthews is a rookie. CJ has been in the league for 4 years. When is this day going to come when CJ lives up to the hype. All I am saying is Matthews is doing it now. In my opinion that is where the time and energy should be invested in hopes of him getting even better. I am not saying kick CJ to the curb , but for the love of all that is Sane in this world, Utah blow up your plan !!! We know your are attached to it , but the time has come to let it go....

Or we can keep waiting for these others guys.
TMONEY | 10:24 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I really like Mathews he can actually make a shot. I think he is better than Miles. Could we get anything for a Miles/Koufos/Brewer package. I really wanted to like Ronnie Brewer but his defense is very disapointing. He just doesn't seem to be the answer at the 2
Re: RE: M&M for mayor | 10:27 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
You are right. They did draft them and bring them in. Of course they get credit for that. But just because they were smart enough to bring them in does mean they are smart enough to know how to use them best. I am no Sloan basher but it IS TRUE if not for injuries we would have never known.

You know I thought someone asked a good question the other day and I hate to say that it was Gordon Monson. But he asked "can we not question sloan or the organization around here?" I mean can we not ??


Bursting bubbles | 10:30 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
"Matthews is WWAAAYY better then Miles was at the same point in their careers..."

Matthews is older than Miles. Miles has a lot more upside than Matthews. I've been impressed with Matthews and quite a bit disappointed with Miles (I'm hoping I'm wrong) but Miles is going to get Matthew's minutes.

To "Love Jerry"

Your list of attributes for Fesenko isn't that realistic.

How can you say he has a high basketball IQ and isn't going to throw the ball away? It took him two years to adjust from Euroball. You really think he has a higher basketball IQ than Memo? Memo has played on a championship team and has been an All-star. Fesenko isn't all that quick either. I appreciate seeing Fesenko try to score in the post, but so far it has been ugly. He throws up hook shots that look more like prayers. Carlos Boozer has very good post moves, Paul Millsap (as of this year) has very good post moves. When has Fesenko ever shown that he has very good post moves?

Sloan has been right with rookies thus far in his career.
Searce | 10:37 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
One thing I learned from the Cleveland game is that Coach Sloan needs to take AK out of the lineup at the end of games, especially if it is a close game, unless AK learns not to shoot the three when the game is on the line. He almost never makes those shots. We lost to Cleveland becaus of his three attempt!
Can somebody please... | 10:41 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
One of you Sloan haters, can you please tell me the name of a rookie that Sloan benched that went on to succeed in the NBA?

The only guy that I can remember not getting any minutes who turned into something (not much though) is Carlos Arroyo, but he was sitting behind John Stockton and Mark Jackson. Kris Humphries might turn into a player, but it has taken years.

Morris Almond, Dee Brown, Roger Powell, Robert Whaley, Kris Humphries, Sasha Pavlovic...
Fan | 10:42 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I watched both games and am really impressed with Maynor. He played with a lot of confidence. He rallied the team and got the others playing better than they have all season (has anyone mentioned how the first 15 minutes of the Cav game were all Maynor -- no one else seemed interested in scoring or even winning the game until he stepped things up). If the other players had been in the game from the start, Jazz would have won against the Cavs. I credit Maynor for Fridays win and Saturdays almost win. I hope we see a lot more of him.
Miles > Matthews | 10:46 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Believe it or not, Miles is still younger than Matthews.

I have been impressed with Matthews. I love how he takes it to the basket and actually looks like an NBA shooter (Miles did not impress me all that much last year.) But I still take Miles over Matthews.

Listing career numbers is ridiculous. Miles had 3 years where he didn't play and that hurts his averages. Miles looked good at the scrimmage, he has put in a lot of hard work and I just want all you Matthews fans to be prepared when he gets sent down to the Flash this year.
Stop stop stop | 10:48 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
How can you suggest that Fesenko start over Okur?

Okur is one of the best 10 centers in the league. Fesenko wasn't even one of the best 10 centers in the D-league last year.
@Next Month | 10:50 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I think you might be able to add Miles to the trade
list.
RE: Can somebody please... | 10:59 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
just thought i'd throw it out there that Mo Williams and Deshawn Stevenson have done quite well since leaving.
Two | 11:07 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Sloan - "da confidence killa"

We need help at the two spot and I recollect that we let two players go a few years back that are still starting and scoring well for their team.

Mo Williams
Raja Bell

How much were they asking before they left? In hindsight, in might have been worth it to sign them instead of letting them go.
Re;Matthews vs Miles | 11:47 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
not even close,Matthews has shown to have the all around game we need,Miles is a one-trick pony and not very good at it,jacking up shot after shot,no defense,no rebounding,no concept of the team game,after 4 years he still "dosen`t have a clue"
todd from santa ana | 12:06 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Deshawn Stevenson?

Yeah he did not so much now
blauch | 12:07 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Matthews is playing better than Miles ever have,

Offensively Matthews know how to take it to the hole and drew a foul. Matthew gets to the line 15% percent of his shots this season and Miles last season went to the line 7% - Neither gets to line like a great wing player should - See AK 27%, James 23%, Pierce 23% Roy 31% and even Turk how is mostly a jump shooter get to the line 19%) But Miles is HORRIBLE. Even Korver went to the line 11% - That is Sad.

Last season even though AK, Korver and Miles took about the same amounts of shots (AK took 570 Korver took 560 and miles took 552 shots) - AK took 222 more foul shots and Korver took 38 more foul shots.

Matthew has an adjusted field goal percentage of 57% while miles highest was 51.5% last season. Now Matthews will not maintain a 57% AFG. I will bet Matthews and Miles will have about the same AFG this season - meaning they are both good shooter.

Defensively:
Matthew has this season taken a charge, rotated correctly to stop the opposing player - I have yet to seen Miles EVER do this.
todd on stephen jackson | 12:34 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Jazz did not want him, but funny Larry Brown known as an abrasive personality,.felt he would help///

Strange Brew............... | 12:45 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
...........the Brew does not seem to have the same flavor....... after getting a whiff of Wes Mathews!

It has been nice knowing Ronnie Brew. He is a good kid............... But he is no Wes Mathews!
Ricky | 12:47 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Will someone please tell Saintly Gent to mind his own business?
that smell...................... | 12:48 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
..........can you smell that smell?

It smells like a spilled Brew.

We need to reinstate prohibition....No Booz & No Brew in SLC!
Love Jerry | 1:26 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
-- How can you say he has a high basketball IQ and isn't going to throw the ball away? It took him two years to adjust from Euroball.

You clearly haven't isolated watching him this year. He makes great decisions.

You really think he has a higher basketball IQ than Memo?
I never said his BBIQ > Memo. I said it's high, and his other attributes more than make up.


-- Memo has played on a championship team.
Brilliant. He warmed the bench.

-- He has been an All-star.
After everyone else couldn't make it.

-- Fesenko isn't all that quick either.
Again, another case of you not watching him. He's much quicker than Memo.

-- I appreciate seeing Fesenko try to score in the post, but so far it has been ugly. He throws up hook shots that look more like prayers.
The hook is NOT the only thing he has tried. He has quick moves for layups that he's been very effective with. How else do you explain his .600 shooting percentage?

And have you ever seen how well he clogs up on D? Memo is a friggin sieve in comparison.

Good points | 1:26 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
It is true that Matthews has done a great job getting to the line.

Mo Williams got minutes as a rookie.
DeShawn Stevenson still sucks. Last year he asked to stop starting.

I still say CJ Miles worked his butt off this summer and may turn some heads when he comes back.

That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing him or Brewer get traded for someone good (and we keep Matthews)
The Bigs can do it too.... | 1:27 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Why do we not use our Big Dogs in the fight...I often wonder what is going on in the Sloan system when the Jazz play so poorly. Let them in and mix it up in the paint. Wow that would make games interesting to watch too. Boozer is no entertainer, he is so predictable that everyone has his number, including the fans. He has no fight in him. Sloan says he wants to win and keeps the bigs benched for this reason....so, we loose. What does that prove?
jazzman72 | 1:27 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I am excited by what I have seen from the rookies so far. Trade Boozer and AK for some good players, draft some talented young players next summer. The future could be very bright for the Jazz.
CJ Miles | 2:05 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
would have been a much better player had he gone to a good college program, that said we would`ve been better off in Oak City,a playground type of basketball,yes they`ll win some games,but the Thunder will never compete for a championship until they get some discipline,watched em last nite,lots of hops and dunks,fun to watch,kinda Rucker Park,NBA style,Matthews is our 2 of the future,move Ronnie B to the 3 spot,that will bring some solid d to our wing spots
Sloan 2 Go | 2:36 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Could someone please tell me what's really up with D Will?
Miles | 3:08 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Nice stuff but let's look at the records when Matthews plays and when CJ plays. I don't recall starting 4 - 6 last year with CJ playing! I think Brewer needs to go. Keep Matthews and CJ.

Let's think about it. CJ has a contract next year. Brewer has nothing. Nor does Matthews or Korver. Who do you think will be here next year!



Duh | 3:19 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Did someone seriously say trade D-Will and start Maynor?! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What an unintelligent comment. I love Maynor and Matthews, but D-will is the best player on the Jazz, and one of the best players in the league. Try to display some intelligence in your comments people.
D-Will should stay | 3:50 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Come on people, keep D-Will he is the best pg in the league and build the team around him. Without him the Jazz are no good. Our point guards are our team leaders. I say keep Memo, Matthews and Milsap trade the rest of them.
re: fortydam | 4:31 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
"Price should stay, (Jazz best perimeter defender)"

Nice job. Actually he is one of the worst..he can never keep his man in front of him which is job #1 for the Jazz perimeter given the fact we have the two sissies Boozer and Okur guarding the paint.

The coaches constantly complain about Prices perimeter D..he has terrible technique and won't learn.

re: Houdini

"All these kids need and I`m including Fes and Koufos are minutes,and I mean tough minutes with the games on the line."

Uh, the game won't be on the line if you are playing these two alot of minutes. Koufus is INCESSANTLY LOST in the offense. He also does not help well on defense because he only played zone at Ohio State.

I agree it would be nice to have these bigs get minutes but the reality of it is if you want to win they are not ready. Sure they can give spot minutes, and should, here and there but consistently playing would leave us seriously offensively depleted.

I'm glad most of you are only in charge of your fantasy teams and not the Jazz.

Good grief.
Let them go? | 4:45 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Mo Williams and Raja?

Uh, Raja signed with the Suns to play with Steve Nash. He would have never signed with the Jazz even if we would have offered the same money. Besides, signing him would have put us over the cap and now we would have an aging Bell with a big contract. Raja chose to play for Nash it was not that the Jazz did not want him--they simply could not afford what he got offered nor do I believe he was worth the contract he got.

MO Williams was wanted by the Jazz also but simply could not be afforded due to financial circumstance. Besides, they sign him then we don't have Deron Williams right now.

Lets call it like it is.
@Miles  | 4:50 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
get a life, get a job, do something...but quit wasting our time. Your brother is a good basketball player, but you do not know up from down!
fingerson | 4:53 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Keep Mathews and Fess and Maynor! Dump the rest of the overpaid bums and build around those 3 future NBA impact players!
Shaq Nasty | 4:54 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Wes Mathews!

Yeah!
Its sad | 5:20 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009
After one week of good basketball people think Matthews is the 2 guard of the future.

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