That works for me. The only potential change I would make to your suggestion is
to keep Colorado State. They have a good chance of being a solid football
program once again and there are a lot of TV sets in Colorado. I don't think
too many tears would be shed for New Mexico and Wyoming. They can join the WAC
where they belong.Going to 12 teams would be a mistake - look at
what happened to the WAC.
Sorenson, they tried this in the 1990s with the mega-WAC expansion. It was a
bust! More does not equal better. Indeed, less is actually more. Every league
needs bottom feeders; New Mexico, Wyoming, and UNLV perform those roles well,
while at the same time beating the occasional BCS team (Arizona, Tennessee, and
ASU in the past couple years). I think the status quo is the best course!
What about loyalty and committment? The schools that broke away from the WAC to
form the MWC have - for the most part - a long history together. They have been
together since the old Skyline Conference days. Plus they committed significant
money to create the TV network that they own part of. Perhaps most
important is that sports programs are cyclical. Not always up, not always down.
Remember not too long ago SDSU was in the top tier of the WAC in football.Boise State is a glorified DIA school in everything but football. How
long do you think they will be a football powerhouse? (Until their coach
leaves for a bigger paycheck!)The MWC is doing the correct thing.
Require the weak sisters to get better. That is happening right now - note SDSU
in recent weeks. Show some class and some loyalty by requiring the other teams
to improve - but don't kick them out. If they don't cut it after a few more
years, then other options may be worth considering. But amongst
quality people, loyalty is important and these schools have plenty of history
together to justify the loyalty.
Why add Sand Diego or UNLV? If you are adding programs becase they have been
good in basketball, then add USU. They have won the WAC bb title two years now
and are picked to win it a third time. With the addition of Gary Anderson and
the facility improvements I expect their football to be much better than SDSU
and UNLV and at least on par with Nevada.
USU? Nice, can I stop laughing yet? They would definatly add some respect to the
MWC, while we're at it could we please add Weber St? Coach Mac could help
legitimize our conference too! Maybe Dixie and Snow just for the travel
consderations, you know during the BBall season. Thanks for that, I feel much
I agree with the truth.. Utah state should be in the talk of MWC expansion. I'm
biased cuz I'm from Utah and some schools around the conference might not agree
but they would be better than the bottom of the existing MWC. Personally I
think the expansion would be better than contraction to eight teams. Football
conference championship games bring in BIG money! And thats what most of the BCS
talk is about..some respect, but mostly money..
Expanding is good. I love when people go back to wac expansion. Smu,rice, la
tech, san jose, not the best teams to add. Boise,Nevada,Fresno, are good teams
to strengthen your conference.
Several reasons why this shouldn't, or couldn't work.Conferences are
not just for athletics. Part of the reason BYU will never be in the PAC 10 is
due to the perception of the PAC 10 president's/schools of BYU's academics as
clearly inferior to the PAC 10. In the same vein, BSU aka "Boise school of
welding and truck driving" (yes, that's right, a good share of the students at
BSU are enrolled in technology/technical programs.) It is highly unlikely the
vaunted MWC presidents would consider affiating themselves academically with
Boise State Technical College.In addition, adding the teams you're
talking about would not work for the same reason the WAC16 did not work. Adding
Houston would not add anything to the scenario as far as Texas exposure. Boise
is in Idaho, and there's less people in the entire state than there is in the
Salt Lake Valley. Advertisers want bigger markets than what you're
adding. Advertisers get nothing by adding the MWC (the area already gets ESPN,
so the MTN continues to be an anchor) BCS is about ad dollars, not competition.
Look at the BCS map.
The obvious one is Boise State. Then I would add SMU which is a real rivalry for
TCU and it helps solidify the Dallas-Fort Worth market. My third team to level
it out at 12 would be Fresno State.Neveda doesn't bring anything to
Mountain West table. It is a very small market. Houston is geographically too
far away.So the East would be TCU, SMU, New Mexico, Air Force,
Colorado State, and Wyoming.The West would be Boise, Utah, BYU,
UNLV, SDSU and Fresno. I would hold the championship game in Las Vegas.
Just to get this straight, your brilliant idea is to drop one of the only four
teams to have won a titles. Don't you think it is a bit hasty to drop Colorado
State. They did win a bowl game last year. Utah and BYU also had some mediocre
season before regaining formMWC Titles TCU-2 (including this year)
CSU-3 BYU-4 Utah-4 Only four teams have won the title, and the knock on the
league is that it is top heavy.
I agree with the release of UNM to another conference. UNM in the WAC would give
them confidence at playing college sports (they lost to their guaranteed-win
NMSU this year). Their football program is in total chaos and will need time to
correct. A switch with BSU and/or Fresno St with UNM and/or Wyoming would be a
move in the right direction.
The MWC was born at CSU. They are better than half the teams overall in all
sports you want to keep or add to the conference. The MWC will do nothing
without the approval of CSU>
He's talking about basketball, maybe you didn't pick up on that. Also, he's
saying that the football program is looking up and will quite possibly be better
than SDSU and UNLV soon, and I don't see that being too far fetched.
Now will you be my friend, BCS??? Listen closely, Sorenson:IT'S ALL
ABOUT THE MONEY; NOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE TEAMS IN THE CONFERENCE!!!The BCS was invented to shut-out half the Division 1A schools in the
country from the big money bowl games. You can juggle the non-BCS conferences
all you want to and the BCS will still not cut you a piece of the action. They
don't care about quality. Most BCS schools are the same caliber as non-BCS
schools. They want to keep the money, publicity, money, glory, money, and
highly rated recruits in a select few conferences. So, don't tax your brain
with new combinations of non-BCS teams. The BCS conferences will never
willingly relinquish all of their benefits. Why should they?
Athletic directors don't care about the programs' academics, only athletics.
Plus, BYU's academics are better than Arizona's and Washington State's. The
reason BYU will never be in the PAC 10 is because of Sunday play.
I like the 8 team new Mountain west
He is the one who declared last years Utah football team the best ever out of
the State of Utah. There was even a time, sir, that USU had some very good
seasons.That is why he is willing to dump Wyoming and CSU, two teams
that have historically done well, but not in the past ten years, which I
guessing, is longer that Mr. Sorensen has been following college sports.The conference has a problem right now with parity, but so does about
every other conference. You don't fine tune it every 10 years. Since
you are obviously a Ute homer with Robinson, I have a suggestion about how to
spend your time right now. Just sit back, drink your red koolaid, and be
prepared to explain away utah's 3rd place finish in football, and bottom of the
conference finish in basketball. Let the university President's do their job,
and do what is best for the conference.
Mike Sorenson writes: "As good as it sounds, it would be hard to do. How do you
tell three of your fellow conference members to take a hike?"Obvious
answer: YOU DON'T. Conference associations are about LOTS more than football and
men's basketball, though they are the most visible and apparently all Sorenson's
thought about. But what about other sports? Colorado State's got
strong programs in women's basketball and volleyball--giving them the boot makes
the MWC weaker in those sports. And that's not to mention academic similarities,
which also figure heavily into the university presidents' decisions. Universities generally don't throw out the conference baby with the bathwater
just to make themselves look better in football. And if they did, there would be
sour grapes at best--and potential legal action at worst. If Sorenson doesn't
realize that by now, he needs to inform himself. Expansion is an infinitely
better option for the MWC than expulsion.
... but not TOO much expansion. That was the problem with the 16-team WAC--way
too big and way too weak. If the MWC expands, the number of teams is CAPPED
FIRMLY at 12. If it works for the Big 12 and SEC, it could well work for the
Mountain West--IF IT ISN'T OVERDONE. The 16-team WAC way overdid it. Keep it at
12, MAX.My recommendation for adds: Boise State, Utah State
(serious--football's a joke FOR NOW, but basketball and some other sports
aren't), and Nevada. But others can and will argue with those last two--so let's
No way should we add SMU to the MWC. They would bring absolutely nothing to
this conference. TCU doesn't need a rivalry team in the MWC - they already have
very strong rivalries with Utah and BYU. You need to know something about the
DFW market. Adding SMU to solidify the DFW market is like adding a couple of
buckets of water to raise the level of the Great Salt Lake. Adding SMU to the
MWC would do less than nothing for the MWC.
To all you dreamers out there who think this would be a great idea, haven't you
heard the news... The UTES are going to the Pac-10 in two years along with
Colorado and chances are that BYU will go to the Big 10. So all you BSU and TCU
and CSU and SDSU, etc..., fans you can piddle around with the MWC while us Utes
will continue to roll! Go Utes I can't wait to see teams like USC, UCLA, Cal,
Oregon, etc., at Rice Eccles. Zoobies you better get your season tickets now at
Rice Eccles because you get to see some real football, not just "execution"
You could easily take out BYU or Utah or TCU if you take out CSU based on the
last 15 years football record and conference titles won. Plus CSU is among the
best academically in the MWC. It would not be a good idea to add Nevada or
Boise. They would diminish the prestige of the MWC.
Once again, a clueless article about conference realignment that only addresses
football issues.The MWC doesn't need Boise State to become an AQ BCS
school.With TCU already a lock to play in a BCS game this season,
the MWC only needs to qualify one more team for a BCS berth in either 2010 or
2011 in order to cement an automatic berth in the BCS starting in 2012.The MWC becoming an AQ conference would almost make the WAC an AQ conference,
since the only thing the WAC would have to do to get an automatic bid would be
to have one team finish in the top 12 and have that team be ranked higher than
the C-USA winner, which would be the only other conference that the WAC would
have to compete against.
So the presidents would never do it. But I totally agree.
I don't see the schools presidents voting to get rid of WYM or NM, even though
like you said it would be the perfect escenario, plus adding BSU, Houston and
perhaps Fresno State. adding USU would be ridiculous, so don't even joke about
it. We need Houston though, because is a big city and a potencial Bowl ot to
mention a good recruiting place. But I think leaving the conference and creating
a new one with the teams that you mention would be even a better idea so we can
get rid of the stupid MTN network deal at the same time.
Boise State wouldnt go for it because they might have to play a decent team more
than once a season. It would shake their fans out of the fantasy they are in
that they are a legitimate team.
anyone even commenting on this is ridiculous...
RE: Keep Dreaming"IN your dreams". Utah will not be invited to
join the PAC, nor will BYU be invited to join the Big Ten.
How many coaches has USU gone through in the last 25 years? How many times have
we heard "things are looking up in Logan?"I would love to see the
Aggies become consistently a good program in football, but the smart money is to
bet against them. Unless a high school athlete has some regional (a Cache
Valley resident) or familial loyalty to USU, if Utah and BYU want him also, the
Aggies immediately become his third choice among Utah schools.Whether it makes sense to fans or not, academic reputation and emphasis do
factor in forming a college athletic conference. Also, other sports not
mentioned above need to be considered as well.As much as I respect
BSU football (they are 5-0 against Utah and BYU in the past 15 years, by the
way), I am not sure they are the first team to consider in a potential MWC
expansion. I like Fresno State better - more television sets, better recruiting
ground, and a better overall athletic program.MWC fans need to
realize that even if we expand, that doesn't guarantee an automatic BCS bid.
The BCS conferences don't want to share the huge BCS payouts!
I don't think the MWC should do anything to change for the BCS which is just a
corrupt money grabbing institution that was allowed to grab way too much power.
They already know that the MWC is more legit than the ACC and Big Least but they
don't want THAT headache. When Utah busted in '04 they gave them an insignicant
Pitt team that would prove nothing if Utah won. When the Utes were back in '08
they thought they would shut the National talk about the Conf. by putting the
undefeated Utes against 'bama believing 'bama would destroy the formerly
undefeated proving they did not belong. That backfired. Now they have a problem
with TCU. They have had their favorites @ 1, 2 and 3 all season saying to the
nation once again that it's going to be an SEC - Big 12 NC. They know TCU would
destroy Texas, with Florida and Alabama not fairing too well either. So they'll
say things like "strength of schedule" etc. I wish the outside conferences would
put together a playoff against their conf. champs and have the NC game in Vegas.
Proclaiming NC playoffs would kill the BCS.
But absolutely ridiculous. What should they do? Creat a NEW conference? Maybe
call it the NSC, Never Satisfied Conference, or maybe the GIAG, the Grass is
Always Greener Conference. Try creating a network for the GIAG, or the GAG conf.
And what makes you think that BSU would WANT to join the MWC? They
are doing just fine in my eyes, undefeated year after year. Sure, maybe they
didn't get into the BCS last year, but it will happen. Better to be a big fish
in a little pond, than a medium-sized fish in a we're never happy so we are
making a new conference...pond. I think the MWC is doing just fine,
the schools are improving and the more we change it, the worse off it will be.
Now it's even, 8 league games. What if there's 9? Does one team not play
another, then there will be injustice because two undefeated teams in a
conference that didn't play, and no champ. game. Just leave it how
it is, it will only grow and get better!
What makes the most since is that Utah joins the PAC 10, at that point things
might be up for grabs with what happens.
'Just a note for "Not Again". BSU does NOT have the driving, technical programs
you refer to. Those programs are part of the College of Western Idaho, not BSU.
BSU's mission is that of an "emerging metropolitan research university of
distinction."Second, BSU does have a national following, not just
Idaho. Games are regularly telecast throughout the northwest on the Bronco
network. In addition, ESPN telecasts many of the games. This year, ESPN is
telecasting seven games.
I like an 8 team MWC. I think Wyo and CSU would fare better in the WAC or
Summitt league. But with TCU, BYU and UU struggling to get quality
non-conference games, what makes you think that they'll be able to schedule one
more each season? Chances are they they'll then be left to scheduling CSU or Wyo
or Eastern Washington anyway. And sorry, better rankings require playing better
teams from other sections of the country.
Has terrible terrible attendance in football. There is some talk of cutting the
program. I hope they do. Then add boise. Leave it a nine team league.
I expect professional sports writers from the local market to get their MWC
facts straight, and Sorenson is a major fail. For example, he talks about CSU
last being dominant in football in the 90's. Mike, CSU won the MWC outright in
football in 2000 and 2002.And why does he not know that the league
cannot "kick out" members? Teams can only withdraw and form their own new
league, as the MWC eight did when they withdrew from the WAC.
Sunday play is not the only reason for BYU not being invited to join the PAC-10.
Remember, it's not the ADs who make decisions regarding conference membership;
it's the university presidents. From an academic standpoint (and the PAC-10 is
particularly proud of its academic strength), BYU is lacking in research funding
and at least a perception of a lack of academic freedom.
Boise State's engineering program is in the top ten in the nation. Not exactly
"Boise State Technical College” I don't believe any of the colleges at any
of the MWC universities are ranking in the top ten of anything. And I believe if
you check your facts you will see that Boise State has a winning record over
MWC schools. But why look at facts.?
Another article written for suckers who actually believe this could happen.
Utah is not going to the pac 10 and boise is not coming to the mwc!GET
Would never happen, and would still be a mediocre conference.
Yeah like the PAC 10 wants a school that loses to IDAHO and the Baptists in bb
and hands out 55 to TCU! Get a life!
Mike, Mike. "UNLV and SDSU have the potential to be good programs."?? Are you
serious? UNLV has had a decent football program since, oh, what, the 1970s with
Ron Meyer? UNLV is a gambling town, not a football town, and Las Vegas is a pro
sports town, not a college town. They've brought in great coaches who cannot
create a "program" and win any games. It will never change.And SDSU
is not much different. Occasionally they put together a good team but a
"program?" not even. They can't get any fans out, they can't recruit, they can't
compete with the Pac-10, and are always a bottom dweller in the MWC. To be
honest, neither UNLV or SDSU will ever be any good in football.
Don't be bitter! Someday your cougars may get to play in a BCS game
and then you can say "me too, me too". This year its TCU's turn and
perhaps even next year also. BYU justs needs to execute at an even higher level
apparently. Utah just needs to get a little more experience at some positions.
Oh and both teams need more speed, although Utah seems to be faster than BYU, oh
wait, most every team is faster than BYU.The MWC biggest concern is
what happens when TCU leaves for a AQ conference. That will only leave Utah and
BYU to carry the conference torch. That a depressing thought for many.Oh well.
I think Tulsa would be a good fit. Their basketball program has won more NCAA
Tourny games than any other MWC team besides Utah. Tulsa's football team would
also compete well. Just my 2 cents.
I would like to see the MWC become stronger in basketball. Boise wouldn't add
anything to the MWC basketball program. Tulsa would add strength to the MWC
program.Also, we haven't we dumped Wyoming a long time ago? Wyoming
is terrible in everything.
Mike, I like your analysis and agree with you for the most part. I don't know
if BYU and Utah have the stomach right now to add another team to the conference
that can beat them up as TCU did this year. If they do have the stomach for
expansion then going to 12 teams makes sense with the teams you mentioned. I
would bring in Houston over Tulsa because of the Texas connection and the fact
that Houston is the fourth largest city in the nation. Your assertion that some
teams should be booted from the Conference falls a bit flat. Would the PAC-10
boot Arizona and Cal because Arizona has never been to the Rose Bowl and Cal has
not been in 50 years? Certainly not.
that how the Mountain worst conf got started in the first place... By taking the
"best" teams from the WAC like Wyoming, SDSU, NMU, and UNLV??? hahahahaha
What is it with the dillusional obsession for Boise? They would bring
absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, to your new conference. Do you honestly
think they would go undefeated in football, or even lose just one game, year
after year if they played a legitimate schedule? They would lose at least two
if they played TCU, Utah and BYU every year. And, if they played a reasonable
non-conference schedule (four games) they could lose at least two of those.
Now, what happens to the recruiting when you aren't the perennial conference
champion anymore? Out the window, maybe?How many athletes from southwest
Idaho are making an impact in the MWC? Not many!! So would adding Boise do
anything to conference exposure or recuiting? Not a chance. And, we haven't
even talked about other sports. Do they even participate in other sports? When
was the last time they won the conference (WAC) in basketball, track, (mens or
womens) baseball, softball?? If you think a team that dominates a bad
conference in one sport makes them an asset to a well rounded, well respected
conference you're, well, dillusional.
Let's invite Kansas to boost the MWC basetball program and let's invite Florida
to boost the MWC football program.We should also invite Notre Dame,
Texas and Kentucky. If we did all of this the MWC would be a GREAT conference.
The MWC will be a BCS conference in several years whether they expand or not.
Why would TCU leave a conference where they are extremely competitive for a
conference where they are an annual also ran?
Better get your facts straight. BYU's accounting program is in the national top
10. BSU will/can not be invited to join the MWC. Get over it and think about
It isn't just Sunday play that would keep BYU out of the PAC 10. We have to be
honest with ourselves. We have no medical school, lack 10s of millions of
dollars in research money and need 50-60 more PhD. granting programs to be on
the same academic level as most PAC 10 schools. The U of U fits the
bill academically. They have a medical school, one of 10 comprehensive cancer
centers in the US, a huge research infrastructure/funding, many PhD. granting
programs and a healthy relationship with industry (Research Park). Not to worry though, they won't be invited to the PAC 10 either. BYU and Utah
will be in the MWC for the foreseeable future.
Logically speaking- do you understand where the MWC stands nationally? It's not
a powerhouse conference! You need to step out of your box and quite listening to
the Utah media once in a while. News flash- the MWC is not, I repeat, not the
glory of college sports. It's not respected! It's barely acknowledged! Wake up
and smell the roses!!!
that the MWC is an automatic qualifying conference. Then nobody has to worry
about being undefeated, etc. The conference champ goes every year no matter
what. What if UNM takes out TCU? No BCS.Crazy.
have all had very good basketball teams in the past and Wyoming and CSU, have
had stronger football programs than Utah in the very recent past.Creating a whole new conference, which is what it would take to do what
Sorensen is proposing, is a clueless, knee-jerk reaction that could easily
backfire and still wouldn't guarantee the new conference a BCS bid.The MWC is already positioned to get a BCS bid on a regular basis and is on
track to become an AQ conference by 2012.
BCS inevitable | 9:02 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009 wrote:"The MWC will be a
BCS conference in several years whether they expand or not. Why would TCU leave
a conference where they are extremely competitive for a conference where they
are an annual also ran?"If TCU was invited by the BIG 12 they would
leave the MWC tomorrow. Here's why: MWC teams receive about 1.2 million per
year for revenue sharing from t.v. revenues, NCAA Tourny appearances and bowl
games. BIG 12 teams receive around 30 to 50 million dollars per team from
revenue sharing. A team would have to be crazy to refuse an additional 50
million dollars per year. No team from the MWC would EVER refuse an invitation
to the BIG 12.
We are the only school in the MWC That wins big games in basketball. If it were
not for us, basketball would be banned in the MWC. Basketball is a big revenue
THE BCS will never make the MWC and Automatic qualifying conference. The system
already works. It's more fun waiting for a David from the non-qualifying
schools to take on a BCS Goliath.Do you realize the net recruiting
loss that would happen in the BCS conferences if another conference were added
to the mix?You don't have to go to one of the six PAC-10 schools
currently ranked lower for undergraduate academics than BYU, just to play in the
BCS. You don't have to go to Baylor or Iowas State when you can go to Utah.
You can have your BCS cake and still attend a great service academy.MARK MY WORDS. There will be no effort to add another conference to the BCS.
It defeats the purpose of the cartel.
BYU would be a better fit in the Big 12 anyway, which is what would happen if
Utah and Colorado moved to the Pac 10.The Pac 10 isn't going to
expand unless it's to 12 teams, so it'll either be Utah and BYU, or Utah and
Colorado.Academically, many of BYU's undergraduate programs are far
ahead of Washington State, Oregon State and even, the University of Utah.
Dear Looking at Jokers,Please check the national rankings for
undergraduate Business programs where BYU is ranked within the top 5 in one
ranking and in the top 10 in others. Also, check out the consistently highly
rated Accounting program - typically top 5.
UNLV? Are you serious? SDSU also? Sorensen you are nuts. UNLV only has a
basketball team. And the only reason they ever make it to the NCAA tournament
is because the MWC tournament is held on UNLV's home floor. Otherwise, they
wouldn't get a sniff. As for football, not a chance with either school.Keep the MWC like it is and work to improve the lower rung programs
(everyone from Utah on down).
Utah should join the PAC 10. They are better in every way than all of the MWC
schools and deserve to be in a league where they can play better schools in
football and basketball and all other sports. Their association with poor
schools hurts their image and standing in the country.
What if Boise St played TCU for a conference championship. It would be better
than Texas playing anyone for the Big 12 title. Teams do not want to play
the MWC elite. Texas Tech just backed out with TCU. TCU has SMU and Baylor so
far. Not that exciting.Utah still has Pitt for the next 2. Just add
Boise and it will add one more good game rather than play a weak team from the
Wac or Big 12 ETC....
Utah goes to the PAC 10 and even maybe Boise St as well. TCU goes to the
Big 12 when they loose a school to the Big 10. No one know what the Big East
will do to get to 12 football schools so in the end the WAC and the MWC will
merge without LA Tech, Hawaii, Utah, BSU, TCU, and if BYU were really smart
indepenent in Football only. that would leave a 12 team league without any
This kind of article might sell papers but does anyone really believe that the
BCS rich leagues will give money to the population bankrupt intermountain west?
Really! If you do then all of the New MWC Schools will need to build and sell
out football 90K stadiums every weekend to keep pace with the BCS leagues.The BCS leagues look at the MWC and the WAC just like we look at the
Truth | 10:13 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009,Are you serious? You really think
that a BIG 12 team would "lose" one of their teams to the Big 10? The Big 10
schools only get about half of what a BIG 12 receives from revenue sharing. Why
would any team join another conference and lose 25 million per year? It makes
If BYU is every going to have a serious chance of being invited to the BIG 12,
then BYU must expand their stadium to hold around 90 to 95 thousand fans.
Boise to the MWC and Utah back to the WAC as punishment for getting thrashed by
TCU and most likely by BYU. The Utes would dominate the men's synchronized
Wow! There sure are some strong feelings about this.
Conference realignment often comes up in Pac-10 circles as well. The general
consensus is that the league will not expand. Utah and Colorado are the obvious
choices because of media market size and academics, however we like our true
round robin scheduling and larger shares of the bowl & ncaa tourney money with
the league at the current 10 teams.
We definitely need to get rid of Wyoming. If we are going to have a cellar
dweller in the MWC, trade San Jose State for Wyoming, bigger school, plus much
bigger population base. Of course add Houston and Boise, etc.
The wac will be better in basketball than the mwc this year guaranteed. we can
look at head to head when the year ends. idaho got us off to a good start now
usu will dominate on salt lake on wednesday.
A 12 team conference would be a mistake. Boise has had a very
respectable football program over the last five years. I do not think that they
will be as competitve five years from now. Bringing Boise into the MWC may be a
short term asset, but would (I believe) be a long term liability. The best
solution is for BYU, Utah, and TCU to play them out of conference over the next
few years.Just reviewed BCS standings. The computers have a very
poor opinion of BYU right now. I'm very interested to see what happens in the
top six BCS spots over the next few weeks. How would the system handle 4
Bringing in Houston and Boise State? Bad idea for a conference and bad for both
schools. Here is what would logically happen. Houston would place about 4th or
5th in the conference, they are in a larger city so the league might get a
little more TV coverage if they would stop signing stupid TV deals. Houston
really does nothing for the conference. SMU would be a better choice because
they are the historical rival of TCU. Boise State, if Boise State doesn't go
undefeated every year in football, they are a non story in a small tv market. If
they finish 3rd or 4th in the MWC, they are not worth adding. The WAC vs. the
MWC is a good story for the west. If the WAC is gutted again, the MWC will not
get any better. Playing good football will improve the conference. TCU is doing
its part this year. If BYU would have beaten Florida State and if Utah had
beaten Oregon. It would be hard to keep TCU out of a National Championship
conversation. BYU, Utah just need to remain relevant, It would help if CSU came
Responding to Logical. BSU has won 20 WAC championships in all sports not
including football or wrestling since joining the WAC in 2001. The wrestling
program is part of the PAC-10.
Well, if you are only going to keep Vegas and San Diego because of location and
that they are nice basketball schools, then why not Utah State for the same
reason...close travel and the fact they are good if not the best basketball
school in the intermountain west. It would be a closer commute for the schools
afterall and their fans who can't see their favorite teams without a 6-12 hour
drive or a costly plane ride.
I agree completely with cutting the dead wood and replacing them with better
wood. WY should absolutely drop and compete with Montana in the
lower division. I think they would be pretty good there. NM isn't getting
better anytime soon.
What about other sports like swimming, golf or cross country?I think the
MWC would also have to take into account other sports besides football and men's
basketball. If not they could have a title IX case on their hands. However,
money is the language of the business now so they'll probably do that first. Also, Colorado isn't that bad. They have some real potential. They even beat
Colorado this year! I think they should stay.
We don't need changes to our conference membership. We need the NCAA to man up
and implement a PLAYOFF SYSTEM!!!
BYU won it's out of conference games in football and basketball (NCAA tourney) -
seriously, as much as we cougar fans want to think we're a big horse, we're one
of the arguments against sports writers giving the MWC great credence. We
stink out of conference. (83 grad, living in TX and the eastern US since
then...) Figure out a way to add BSU and lose a weak sister team, and you're
on your way to a HUGE bump in recognition. Actually I think it more likely
we'll have a playoff system in some limited form come in 3-5 years...
Yes, the MTN West does have top 10 academic programs. CSU Vet Med school now and
for many years ranked 2nd best in the country next to Cornell. Some say CSU VM
department is actually better than Cornell's program. East Coast bias in voting.
Add 3 schools make it 12 if anything. Getting a Championship game would help the
conference. With ESPN covering the Mountain West the last few weeks is helping.
Drop the Mountain hook back up with ESPN or make the Mountain affiliated with
ESPN get back on the right network. Add Boise Hawaii and Fresno State. Get the
Championship game. The MWC will never get into the BCS but this will certainly
help when one of the schools has one loss to be considered still a top player.
Rather than schools in the MWC schedule lousy teams from Big confrences or other
mid majors just to go undefeated to try to get in seems pointless. Since
everyone in Utah thinks its all about UofU just remember the U hasnt always had
a stellar program through the years and they have alot of down years to go with
the 2 good years. The other 8 schools in the MWC are just as good if not better
then Utah in a lot of aspects sorry Ute fans.
If the MWC adds Boise State that will push BYU from a perennial third place
finisher to 4th place behind TCU, Utah, Boise State and probably out of any bowl
contention. Bronco is content with finishing third every year because he still
gets to go to a bowl but I think finishing 4th would probably cause some
re-evaluation.... which just might be a good thing???
BYU is usually at a disadvantage playing schools with far more team speed. Why would BYU want to play a Houston, SMU or Tulsa Non-BCS schools),
when they can NOT SHOW UP and still beat San Diego St., UNLV and New Mexico
(Non-BCS schools)?Drop Wyoming. (I'd rather lose and live in Provo
than win and live in Laramie). Drop CSU.Give the Wyoming game slot
to USU.The exception to the speed problem would be to add Fresno St.
(their reputation is no worse than UNLV or SMU for that matter). BYU would be
taking a major chance playing a Non-BCS speed team like FSU. However, adding a
FSU would make more sense than adding another team from Texas or Oklahoma. The MWC becomes an eight team conference. UTAH, BYU, AIR FORCE, NEW
MEXICO, UNLV, SAN DIEGO ST., FRESNO ST. AND TCU.Up-side:The MWC drops two non-revenue producing teams. The MWC picks up a
warm weather school.One less team to share already meager
revenue.Down-side:Schools would need to replace the CSU
or Wyoming games on their schedules.The problem ($) of saying
good-bye to CSU and WYOMING.
All well and good to talk of a more competitive conference, but what motive does
TCU have to stay, particularly considering its geographical distance from the
to where?Big 12 - not unless the Big 12 kicks Baylor outC-USA
- lolSEC - double lolWAC - triple lolPAC 10 - no chanceACC, Big East - you're kidding, rightSunbelt - closer geographically,
but why???MAC - be my guest
Mike Sorenson assumes a lot will change in the college football landscape to
make any of this happen. THE REALITY: NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE WILL CHANGE IN THE
MWC, WAC, AND BCS ANYTIME SOON.That's right. The BCS is having its
cake and eating it, too; the system's set up just right for money-sharing. No
Utes to the Pac-10, though they'd fully deserve each and every 4-8/3-9 season!
Likewise for BYU and TCU to the Big Ten/Big 12--say goodbye to 10-win seasons,
too. TCU could get offers to move out, sure, but they'd fall back into
mediocrity. They haven't established themselves for long. Throwing
out existing MWC members is legally troublesome, and any additions would have to
truly add something immediate. But Boise State seems to be enjoying the WAC just
fine, thanks, and no other WAC team really adds much across the board. It'd make
more sense to try to steal ASU from the Pac-10 or Colorado from the Big 12!So don't kid yourselves, people. This is much ado about nothing.
Here is an idea:1. Keep the MWC as it is2. Add stronger teams
to your schedules throughout the MWC3. WIN those tougher games against
stronger teams4. STOP choking and being flakey and unpredictable (like
BYU)I think that is a recipe for success in the MWC! Look into it!
They already have an almost guaranteed path to a BCS bowl every year, and little
or no competition to get in the way.Sounds like a sweet deal.
under Kyle and BroncoBYU2005 5-3 - 2nd2006 8-0 - 1st2007 8-0 - 1st2008 6-2 - 3rd2009 5-1 - ?? projected 2ndUtah2005 4-4 - tie 4th2006 5-3 - tie 3rd2007 5-3 - tie
3rd2008 8-0 - 1st2009 5-1 - ?? projected 3rdIf the MWC
adds Boise State, that would push one team from a perennial third place finisher
to 4th place, but that team would be Utah.
this is the dumbest article written in a long time.why not expand by
adding USC, Stanford and UCLA. After all, that is as likley to happen as kicking
out the bad and adding the good
Let's invite Florida, Texas, Kansas, Alabama and Kentucky to join the MWC. This
is a great idea.
A lot of good ideas. But, why not keep the same teams we have and add. Houston(4
th Largest City in the Country, Fresno State(Million plus city in the California
market with a good athletic program, BSU and one other quality school program.
Then do two divisions with a playoff. However rotating the game would be better
for all involved because all teams would have a chance to host, not just UNLV
like in basketball. Just think, BYU and UTAH playing in markets with faster kids
and stronger football and basketball programs in highschool such as Houston and
Fresno. And a wider breathe of States covered to increase the chance to enhanse
TV coverage. Oh well just another of a hundred ideas! Then again who wantes to
play in a conference with no BCS eligibility no maytter how the teams play, and
a top bowl game right back in Las Vegas!
What about luring Fresno State along with BSU? They seem to have a bit of a
rivalry going with BSU within the WAC.
Hey smart guy, non of the MWC schools are ranked in the top ten of anything? I
believe the AFA was rated #4 nationally this year, ahead of most Ivy-league
schools, and far far above that of Boise State, improve your standards and maybe
the MWC might consider you some day... but probably not
2008 BYU finished third and Bronco was content with that. In 2009 BYU will once
again finish third after losing to Utah (and possibly Air Force). Looking ahead
do you honestly ever see BYU finishing above TCU or Utah? Both TCU and Utah have
turned the corner and BYU is stuck in neutral.2010 the Y plays BOTH Utah and TCU
on the road so you can most certainly add another 3rd place finish for Y in
2010. anyway, my point was TCU and Utah both have better programs
than the Y (both have broken the BCS barrier) and Boise State also has broken
the BCS barrier. BYU is still content with the Vegas Bowl as the pinnacle of its
Great logic. I can see the Utes as a .300 PAC 10 team, and selling a consistent
10,000 tickets to every game, making the PAC 10 the big bucks...Oh,
and then there is Utah Basketball. How many seats will they fill when they can't
beat the vandals or SW Baptist preseason, and then don't win a game the rest of
the season...I'm guessing there is a hotline from Dr. Hill's
office to the Pac 10 commish if dr. Hill ever decideds to make the move.Nice shot in the dark there babe...
There are so many teams knocking down the MWC doors to get in (rolling eyes)
Mike you do live in a fantasy world.
One thing to remember about this change is that it won't happen for a while.
Scheduling will be a dramatic change. For one, BYU and Utah have games with
Boise st. for 4 years. That means if they move conferences then they would have
to find more teams to fill in.
If Utah State is to ever become truely competative with schools in the MWC they
would have to became a member of that conference. That well never happen
because Utah and BYU don't want to share recruits with Utah State. As long as a
recruit has the chose to go to the MWC or the WAC he's probable going to take
the MWC. This is the same reason BYU and Utah eliminated the Aggies when they
formed the WAC to begin with and nothing has changed. This not to say the
Aggies don't get go recruits, they do, just not as many as BYU and Utah. If
these three schools were in the same conference the recuit quality would even
out over time.
Boise St and Fresno St should be in the MWC. They bring the most to the to the
When I read comments like yours I really have to ask where you get your
information. The answer may be out of your own ineptness.
that doesn't make it true.For all you Cougar fans that insist that
BYU's football program is so much better than Utah's, what is your proof? Of
course, if you go back into the 70s-80s, then I will concede that the Cougars
are better. But in the last fifteen years, it's just not true.Since
1999 (the founding of the MWC):Utah's record is 93-38, winning 71%
of the time. BYU's is 86-48, for a 64% winning percentage.Both
teams have won or shared 4 conference championships.Utah is 6-4
against BYU.Utah is 8-0 in bowl games, including 2 BCS wins. BYU is
2-4 in bowl games, with no BCS bowl invites.Both Utah and BYU fans
should think twice about declaring superiority over Boise State. Utah is 0-3,
and BYU is 0-2 against the Broncos in the recent past. The Cougars have NEVER
beaten Boise. Plus, for Cougar fans to dismiss BSU's accomplishments since they
joined the WAC is hypocritical. It is very reminiscent of BYU's glory years in
You failed to mention a couple of important facts in your comparison:Top 25 finishesBYU - 4 (including the last 3)Utah - 310+ win seasonsBYU - 4Utah - 3 (including the last 3)Even in their best decade ever, Utah still couldn't match BYU in Top 25
Wait a minute. Actually this is a good thread in spite of the article that got
it started.In response to the comment about TCU leaving...there has
been for the past 10 years 3 scenarios. One is to replace Baylor. Another is
that Missouri will go the Big 10 to become #12 so the Big 10 can have a playoff.
The third is that Colorado would go to the PAC10. In the last 2 cases, TCU
would go into the Big 12. Who knows?The 5 non-AQ conferences and
its 54 teams should go on strike against the 66 teams6conferenceAQ's. Let them
beat up themselves and see how the computers rank 8-4, 9-3 teams. They would
have to play D-3 Little sisters of the poor and see how their fans like shelling
out $400 for season tickets for that. If non-AQ's won't stop playing, then make
the AQ's pay $1million a game. That is what TCU got from Clemson...a bigger
payout than the Poinsietta Bowl.If SDSU,CSU, UNLV, WY would play
lesser teams until they bulk up, it would help us all.
You are right, those are valid facts - I just ran up against my 200 word
limit.But since you went there, how about losing seasons in the MWC
era? Utah - 2, BYU - 3.In the MWC era, seasons of
winning less that 50% of their games?Utah - 2, BYU - 5.I
agree with your "top 25 finishes" count, according to the AP poll, but do you
really want to go there? BYU's finishes were 25,19, 19, 25, while Utah's were
21, 5, 2. Don't you think having two top 5 finishes is more impressive than a
fourth 19th or lower finish?
Football isn't the only reason for expanding a conference. What does Boise
bring besides football - NOTHING. Nothing in the women's programs at all and
nothing in the other men's programs. So, why invite another weak sister to the
dance. Boise State will not be a quality MWC member so forget expansion!
9 teams so 4 home conference games, 4 away each year. Boise State,
Utah, BYU, UNLV, San Diego State, Air Force, TCU, SMU, Colorado State.It would be smart to have SDSU and UNLV. Warm climates lead to better
recruitting. UNLV and SDSU would also compete with the PAC 10 as well in
recruting. Having TCU, SMU, C-State and Air Force would compete with the BIG 12.
This would work.
If finishing in the Top 25 and having a 10+ season is a ho-hum accomplishment,
why hasn't Utah been able to do that more than 4 times in their entire
history.Granted, BYU has had 3 losing seasons in the MWC, but
everyone who has followed BYU football knows that was an anomoloy during the
disastrous Crowton years. You have to go all the back to the 60s to find that
last time BYU had a similar stretch.On the other hand, BYU has
finished in the Top 25 in half the polls since the late 70s, including the last
three seasons; something Utah has never come close to accomplishing.
It'll never happen. Think about something else. Next subject please.
After watching BYU this weekend, I don't think we should be talking about
kicking any team out of the MWC or thinking about the BCS ever. BYU couldn't
even look half way decent against a bad 0-9 NM team. Maybe Montana should join
the MWC and BYU go to the Big Sky. Then Bronco really could win a NC, but at
the Div.1-AA level.
I love how instead of improving its own teams, the MWC is always focused on
which conference they can raid next in order to improve. The MWC forms out of an
elitist attitude behind closed bathroom stalls in an airport and now wants to
invite some of the very teams it deemed inferior? As much as the MWC won't admit
it, the poor sisters of the WAC have grown into an equal power and it kills the
two Utah Universities that drive the MWC to know that. I agree with
those that believe the conference should focus on demanding more out of UNLV,
UNM, SDSU, WYO, and CSU. UNLV and SDSU seem to get passes year in and year out
due to being in populated cities. Is that really valid? I guess it may be when
you are stuck with something like the MTN. It's too bad because there are plenty
of examples of good FB programs in small markets. As far as academics, BSU and
Fresno St. are nothing more than glorified JC's that happen to have good FB
Boise doesn't really bring anything to the table. What do they have besides a
football team? Their other sports teams are average, their academics are below
average, and they have a small population base. The MWC would do better to go
after either Fresno State or Houston.
All this MWC joining the BCS talk is garbage. The BCS will never add another
conference. All that does is take money away from the other six conferences and
it doesn't solve the anti-trust issues of the BCS. So adding a seventh BCS
conference only costs them money and does not gain anything for the other six
BCS conferences.You're dreaming. Forget it.
replace wyo with boise. wyo brings absolutely nothing to the table. wyo has
won virtually no mwc championships in any sport; no population; no tv; nada
At the rate they're going this year, USC will be available at the end of this
season for the MWC to pick up. Let's add them instead of BSU.
What amazes me is that none of these "smart" sports writers fail to see how bad
constant conferenceshuffling is. BYU, Utah, Boise State, TCU (and all the other
MWC/WAC/CUSA schools) have been playing musical conferences over the last 15-20
years. And in the end none of them are in a much difference place than they were
20 years ago. The other thing that everyone fails to realize is that what makes
the SEC, Big-12, Big Ten, PAC-10 so good is the fact they are long time regional
rivals, which has built long-term fan interest and support. The MWC and WAC
schools are constantly shuffling to try and find some mythical "sweet spot". Not
going to happen.
Let's dump Wyoming, New Mexico and Colo St.....what type of dumb idea is that?
Boise St is a johnny come lately to D-I and besides their football team-- what
would they offer the MWC. BSU will eventually slow down in football and then
all you will have is the New Mexico of the North. Sportswriters are too close
to the issue sometimes.
TCU should leave for the WAC. TCU, Boise, Nevada and
Fresno State would create a very strong top 4 in the WAC. Two top 10's with
Nevada and Fresno always at the 7 -9 win level.Hawaii can be in the mix as
well. Two (2) WAC teams have had BCS invites, with only one MWC team- Utah.WAC attendance is up 7% in 2008 while the Mountain is down 4%.TCU- leave the Mountain and give the WAC the spark it needs to become the best
in the west.
On Academics, BYU fan can argue all it wants about how awesome their
undergraduate programs are, BUT, the PAC 10 (and most of academia) consider the
graduate/professional programs of a school as the true measure of the school.
And before y'all bring up your Law & MBA programs, realize that the UofU system
is what they are looking at where you have highly developed research-base, PhD
granting research programs, not just a few niche programs like at the Y.BYU is an excellent prep school for graduate school as noted by the
outstanding rates of acceptance of Y grads into graduate/professional programs.
But, an institutions academic prestige is not based on its undergraduate
students, but on the research it produces, which the Y lacks. (Also that pesky
academic freedom issue).As far as adding Fresno & Houston to get
credit for their TV markets as the key to improving the MWC position, think back
to the WAC 16 debacle. NO ONE in Texas cares about Houston (Texas, A&M, & Tech,
but not Houston). And Fresno, NO ONE cares (they already have UCLA, USC, CAL &
Stanford). Picking up the 4th or 5th option won't help the MWC
I have been advocating exchanging Wyoming for Boise State for some time now. I
would not want to drop Colorado State. They are a good travel team for Air
Force.If we have to go to 10 teams I am undecided between Nevada or
do they replace UNLV (basketball is the one sport they do well and then our
conference tournament is not on a members home floor), or do we add a Houston or
Fresno State).I would hope this change would come with an automatic
BCS bid. However, that might have to come later.
Second thoughts:Exchange Wyoming and New Mexico for Boise
State and Houston or ?. Keep league at 8 schools. TCU might leave
to join a conference closer for their fans to attend. However, I dont want to
see that. I dont like them thinking they are too dominant for MWC in football.
Many teams go through a 2 year conference title run. They may not be any
The whole idea that academic superiority even factoring into an athletic
conference grouping is ridiculous! Just what does everyone think the "A" in all
these conferences stands for? Athletic -- not academic! Sports are sports! The
PAC-10 presidents should get over feeling academically superior to other schools
when there is discussion about whether or not to invite a certain school to that
"athletic" conference since they would be competing on the field, court, etc.
Funny- Fox sports top 25 power rankings Week 11.#4 TCU#9 Boise State#25 NevadaYeah, yeah, yeah, it might be the
WAC, but YEEEEEEESH. Want numbers? Over the last seven games, Nevada has rushed
for 559 yards, 345, 313, 484, 312, 517 and 461 and has now scored 40 rushing
touchdowns on the year with 15 in the last two weeks.No BYUNo UtahC'mon TCU- Join the big boys in the WAC!
"Going to 12 teams would be a mistake - look at what happened to the WAC."The WAC went to 16 teams with 4 pods that rotated from division to
division. This upset many of the schools that may have had to gone 4 or more
years at times without playing natural long term rivals. Add that most people
are admiring the 8 team BigLeast for having 5 non-conference games to schedule
cup cakes and pad their football records and you can likely see how 7 division
games and 1 or 2 cross over division games makes a 16 team conference hard in
football.In a 12 team conference with 2 divisions you play 5
divisional games and 2 cross over games which still only has you playing 7 games
in conference (like the BigLeast) then you get to add a conference championship
game as well. 12 is proven to work - 16 was crazy!!
How about this configuration?North: BYU-Utah, BSU-Utah State, Air
Force-CSUSouth: TCU-Houston, SDS-Fresno State, UNLV-NevadaYou
are only losing Wyoming & New Mexico and have added: Houston, BSU, Utah State &
Fresno State.Great travel partners and there are three teams in each
bracket that are very good and three teams in each bracket that are improving
"Utah should join the PAC 10. They are better in every way than all of the MWC
schools"MWC has men championships in the following: Basketball
Regular Season (RS); Basketball Tourny; Baseball RS; Baseball Tourny; Cross
Country; Golf; Swimming & Diving RS; Swimming & Diving Tourny; Tennis RS; Tennis
Tourny; Track & Field (Outdoors); Indoor TrackBYU=51UNLV=17SDSU=16Utah=14TCU=13 - only been in the conf 4 full yearsNM=12CSU=6AF=2WYO=2MWC has women's championships
in the following: Basketball RS; Basketball Tourny; Softball RS; Softball
Tourny; Soccer RS; Soccer Tourny; Volleyball RS; Volleyball Tourny; Cross
Country; Golf; Swimming & Diving RS; Swimming & Diving Tourny; Tennis RS; Tennis
Tourny; Track & Field (Outdoors); Indoor TrackBYU=65Utah=25CSU=17UNLV=14NM=14SDSU=9TCU=7AF=0WYO=0Combined men/womenBYU=116Utah=39UNLV=31NM=26SDSU=25CSU=23TCU=20AF=2WYO=2Mr
Smith I think you are blinded...
The only thing Utah is at the top of for men's are tied with other schoolsFootball: Utah/BYU=4Basketball RS: Utah/BYU=5Basketball
Tourny: Utah/UNLV=3Add to those 1 baseball tourny and 1 tennis RS
and that is all you've won titles for men in the ten years of the MWC.
It is kinda funny how Utah and BYU whine and complain so much about the BCS
being unfair to them. They scream bloody murder that the BCS is leaving out the
smaller schools less wealthy schools from the big boys. Typical hypocrits.
They do the exact same thing to USU. Personally, I think BYU and UTAH get what
they deserve from the BCS.
The poster at 4:49, attempting to defend Utah, writes: "Don't you think having
two top 5 finishes is more impressive than a fourth 19th or lower finish?"Not when your team regularly finishes 8-4 or 7-5 in years other than
2004 and 2008 and more often out of the national rankings than in. Undeniable:
BYU has had trouble in "big games" the past 15 years, while the U has had
several signature wins. However, I'd rather finish 19th and lower several times
than not finish in the Top 25 at all half the time.Another fact: BYU
and the U are good--not great--teams. The Cougars have a legendary past and are
playing OK with lots of room for improvement; the Utes since Urban are
contenders rather than pretenders. BUT NEITHER HAS REALLY PROVEN ANYTHING
YET.Sadly, a few obnoxious fans from both sides talk a lot bigger
than their team actually deserves. But at least BYU fans aren't imagining an
invitation from the Pac-10! Maybe both the U and BYU should aim to play and beat
Boise State first?
While I agree that the market/location of BSU doesn't do a lot for the MWC I can
not understand people who don't think they offer anything else.Well
sorry I can understand them - they only see their own school in one or two
sports themselves so it is hard for them to see the whole picture.BSU is competitive in many sports. Consider the MWC list of men's sports that
BSU competes in and how BSU finished in the WAC last year.Football -
1stBasketball - 3rdCross Country - 2ndGolf - 8thTennis -
1stTrack & Field (outdoor) - 5thThey play in a 9 team
conference and placed in/above the middle of the pack in all but 1.Reminder Utah also competes in only 6 men's MWC sports.Also BSU
competes in the Pac10 in wrestling and has won the last 2 championships in that
sport.So tell me again how BSU isn't worthy of the MWC and Utah is
to good for the MWC. BSU already does compete with the Pac10 in one sport.I'd love to have wrestling added as a MWC sport.
Utah has most certainly passed BYU in football. Two BCS bowl wins is all the
proof needed. The U is nationally known and respected and the Y isn't. TCU will
break in to the BCS this year and Boise State already has with their win over
Oklahoma. When talking about national respect as a football program, its ALL
about the BCS - Utah has it and BYU doesn't.
... Utah State would have something to complain about if it were in the same
league academically and athletically as BYU and Utah. It isn't--so it doesn't.
It's as simple as that. Conference alignments are about academics
*and* athletics. If Utah State improves in both areas, it'll have a case. And
don't get me wrong--I'm not mocking and I'd actually like to see it happen. (No
so-called hypocrisy about it!) But until there's improvement in both those
areas, USU really is a better fit for the WAC.
Ok, to all of you who keep putting down USU, give me a break! You talk about
other things to take into consideration besides just football - well how about
this: Since being in the WAC, USU has had conference championships two
consecutive years in mens basketball, FIVE consecutive years in mens cross
country, two consecutive years in mens track, three years in womens cross
country, one year in womens soccer, and one year in gymnastics. That's only
within the past few years - they've had other championships while they were in
the Big West conference as well (I know, it was a weak conference, but you still
have to take their history into consideration). As far as football is
concerned, they could easily be 6-4 right now, which isn't great but is still
bowl eligible. Mark my words, the football program will improve. Lastly, academically they are just as good as any school in the MWC, and
better than some of them. USU has many nationally ranked programs, including
Science and Engineering, Agriculture, Natural Resources, Education, Interior
Design, and Landscape Architecture to name a few. In overall value, USU could
fit into the MWC.
Somebody on here mentioned how the AQ schools have tens of millions to share
with tv contracts, NCAA appearances, BCS games, and whatever else. Why are some
schools in those conferences struggling financially in their athletics? One
PAC-10 school, I'm thinking Washington, over the summer dropped the swimming
program. How can they have such riches and yet struggle so much? Maybe they need
to learn how to live on less, ie less BCS money and the like. Then the playing
field might be more level for non-AQ schools.Yes BSU doesn't have
the driving school anymore. It went to a new community college. However, BSU did
have a driving school.
re: Anonymous | 10:57 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009 //The reason BYU will never
be in the PAC 10 is because of Sunday play//I've heard; The PAC10
does not want another private school in their ranks (USC & Stanford are
enough).MWC should dump SDS and add Boise, Fresno, & SMU.
@ WAC 2 - MWC - 1 | 12:31 a.m. Nov. 17, 2009 The BCS poll is the
only rankings that matter.
.. will not add Utah without BYU. They last added UofA and ASU from Arizona,
giving them two team from Arizona, two from Oregon, and two from Washington,
along with four from California. Where does "Keep Dreaming" get Colorado? Last
time I checked they were in the Big 12, a BCS conference. Why would they want to
move and why would the PAC 10 want them? TVs? sorry, Denver ain't that big and
have you ever tried to fly into Denver in the fall? Try telling USC to take a
bus to Colorado... Nope, the PAC 10 would be wise to take Utah and
BYU. It would silence Hatch and it would give UofA and ASU their old rivals to
the north back. They would then have two conferences: USC, UCLA, UofA, ASU, BYU,
and Utah in one and Cal, Stanford, Oregon, OSU, Washington, and WSU in the
other.Utah would then get the BCS money you cry so much about, but
unfortunately you would be a perennial 6-6 team (counting wins against Weber and
USU every year).ASU was WAC champs every year and look what happened
to them in the PAC!
"Utah has most certainly passed BYU in football. Two BCS bowl wins is all the
proof needed. The U is nationally known and respected and the Y isn't."Funny guy... but what exactly are you basing this on? In the past poll BYU
barely beat UNM and yet they moved up from 22 to 19 in the AP Top 25. How does
this equate when seen through your red-tinted sunglasses? If they had sooo
little respect they would have dropped off the radar for barely beating the
Lobos. BYU is a known commodity, having been ranked in the final top
25 rankings 16 times since 1977, that is 16 of 32 years, 50% of the time. Let's
look at Utah now. First entry 1994, then 2003, 2004, and 2008. Hmmmm, so few we
can list them. Does that make you a powerhouse, nationally known team, I don't
think so. Year in and year out BYU is up there. And if you don't want to go so
far back, BYU was in the final BCS rankings 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008. Utah has
been in 2003, 2004, 2008.Eat your words!
Step aside from the bias. I've lived back east and can tell you that BYU is
much more well known than University of Utah. Utah has had RECENT success, but
BYU has had steady and consistent success to go along with Hall of Fame
quarterbacks, Heisman winners, and a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. It takes more than
TWO successful seasons to overshadow such a storied program.
Wake up a look outside the Utah Bubble.The PAC-10 doesn't want or need
Utah or BYU. All the PAC-10 teams have been powerhouses in the past and most
will return to power or have already returned to power. If either went to the
PAC-10, they would both be bottom dwellers!!!!!!If BSU came to the MWC it
would be a TCU/BSU battle every year until BYU or Utah got a decent coach. But
that would be a 1-2 year deal because the coach would leave for a better
school.TIME FOR A REALITY CHECK!!!!
Go to a 12 team conference by adding Nevada, Fresno State, UTEP, and Houston.
Drop Wyoming. This conference would be better for creating natural rivals. This
would be a solid football conference and very good basketball league. Travel
would be minimal with an East and West division split like this West
divisionSDSUFresno State UNLV NevadaBYUUtahEast divisionHouston TCUColorado StateAir ForceUTEPNew Mexico