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soakblue | 9:20 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
Sorenson, they tried this in the 1990s with the mega-WAC expansion. It was a
bust! More does not equal better. Indeed, less is actually more. Every league
needs bottom feeders; New Mexico, Wyoming, and UNLV perform those roles well,
while at the same time beating the occasional BCS team (Arizona, Tennessee, and
ASU in the past couple years). I think the status quo is the best course!
Are You Nuts? | 9:27 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
What about loyalty and committment? The schools that broke away from the WAC to
form the MWC have - for the most part - a long history together. They have been
together since the old Skyline Conference days. Plus they committed significant
money to create the TV network that they own part of.
Perhaps most important is that sports programs are cyclical. Not always up, not always down. Remember not too long ago SDSU was in the top tier of the WAC in football.
Boise State is a glorified DIA school in everything but football. How long do you think they will be a football powerhouse? (Until their coach leaves for a bigger paycheck!)
The MWC is doing the correct thing. Require the weak sisters to get better. That is happening right now - note SDSU in recent weeks. Show some class and some loyalty by requiring the other teams to improve - but don't kick them out. If they don't cut it after a few more years, then other options may be worth considering.
But amongst quality people, loyalty is important and these schools have plenty of history together to justify the loyalty.
Perhaps most important is that sports programs are cyclical. Not always up, not always down. Remember not too long ago SDSU was in the top tier of the WAC in football.
Boise State is a glorified DIA school in everything but football. How long do you think they will be a football powerhouse? (Until their coach leaves for a bigger paycheck!)
The MWC is doing the correct thing. Require the weak sisters to get better. That is happening right now - note SDSU in recent weeks. Show some class and some loyalty by requiring the other teams to improve - but don't kick them out. If they don't cut it after a few more years, then other options may be worth considering.
But amongst quality people, loyalty is important and these schools have plenty of history together to justify the loyalty.
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The Truth | 9:30 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
Why add Sand Diego or UNLV? If you are adding programs becase they have been
good in basketball, then add USU. They have won the WAC bb title two years now
and are picked to win it a third time. With the addition of Gary Anderson and
the facility improvements I expect their football to be much better than SDSU
and UNLV and at least on par with Nevada.
USU?!? | 9:45 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
USU? Nice, can I stop laughing yet? They would definatly add some respect to the
MWC, while we're at it could we please add Weber St? Coach Mac could help
legitimize our conference too! Maybe Dixie and Snow just for the travel
consderations, you know during the BBall season. Thanks for that, I feel much
better now!
Agreed | 10:04 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
I agree with the truth.. Utah state should be in the talk of MWC expansion.
I'm biased cuz I'm from Utah and some schools around the conference
might not agree but they would be better than the bottom of the existing MWC.
Personally I think the expansion would be better than contraction to eight teams. Football conference championship games bring in BIG money! And thats what most of the BCS talk is about..some respect, but mostly money..
Personally I think the expansion would be better than contraction to eight teams. Football conference championship games bring in BIG money! And thats what most of the BCS talk is about..some respect, but mostly money..
the truth about expansion | 10:09 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
Expanding is good. I love when people go back to wac expansion. Smu,rice, la
tech, san jose, not the best teams to add. Boise,Nevada,Fresno, are good teams
to strengthen your conference.
Not Again | 10:10 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
Several reasons why this shouldn't, or couldn't work.
Conferences are not just for athletics. Part of the reason BYU will never be in the PAC 10 is due to the perception of the PAC 10 president's/schools of BYU's academics as clearly inferior to the PAC 10. In the same vein, BSU aka "Boise school of welding and truck driving" (yes, that's right, a good share of the students at BSU are enrolled in technology/technical programs.) It is highly unlikely the vaunted MWC presidents would consider affiating themselves academically with Boise State Technical College.
In addition, adding the teams you're talking about would not work for the same reason the WAC16 did not work. Adding Houston would not add anything to the scenario as far as Texas exposure. Boise is in Idaho, and there's less people in the entire state than there is in the Salt Lake Valley.
Advertisers want bigger markets than what you're adding. Advertisers get nothing by adding the MWC (the area already gets ESPN, so the MTN continues to be an anchor) BCS is about ad dollars, not competition. Look at the BCS map.
Conferences are not just for athletics. Part of the reason BYU will never be in the PAC 10 is due to the perception of the PAC 10 president's/schools of BYU's academics as clearly inferior to the PAC 10. In the same vein, BSU aka "Boise school of welding and truck driving" (yes, that's right, a good share of the students at BSU are enrolled in technology/technical programs.) It is highly unlikely the vaunted MWC presidents would consider affiating themselves academically with Boise State Technical College.
In addition, adding the teams you're talking about would not work for the same reason the WAC16 did not work. Adding Houston would not add anything to the scenario as far as Texas exposure. Boise is in Idaho, and there's less people in the entire state than there is in the Salt Lake Valley.
Advertisers want bigger markets than what you're adding. Advertisers get nothing by adding the MWC (the area already gets ESPN, so the MTN continues to be an anchor) BCS is about ad dollars, not competition. Look at the BCS map.
My vote | 10:12 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
The obvious one is Boise State. Then I would add SMU which is a real rivalry for
TCU and it helps solidify the Dallas-Fort Worth market. My third team to level
it out at 12 would be Fresno State.
Neveda doesn't bring anything to Mountain West table. It is a very small market. Houston is geographically too far away.
So the East would be TCU, SMU, New Mexico, Air Force, Colorado State, and Wyoming.
The West would be Boise, Utah, BYU, UNLV, SDSU and Fresno. I would hold the championship game in Las Vegas.
Neveda doesn't bring anything to Mountain West table. It is a very small market. Houston is geographically too far away.
So the East would be TCU, SMU, New Mexico, Air Force, Colorado State, and Wyoming.
The West would be Boise, Utah, BYU, UNLV, SDSU and Fresno. I would hold the championship game in Las Vegas.
ben | 10:17 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
Just to get this straight, your brilliant idea is to drop one of the only four
teams to have won a titles. Don't you think it is a bit hasty to drop
Colorado State. They did win a bowl game last year. Utah and BYU also had some
mediocre season before regaining form
MWC Titles TCU-2 (including this year) CSU-3 BYU-4 Utah-4 Only four teams have won the title, and the knock on the league is that it is top heavy.
MWC Titles TCU-2 (including this year) CSU-3 BYU-4 Utah-4 Only four teams have won the title, and the knock on the league is that it is top heavy.
D Mack | 10:36 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
I agree with the release of UNM to another conference. UNM in the WAC would give
them confidence at playing college sports (they lost to their guaranteed-win
NMSU this year). Their football program is in total chaos and will need time to
correct. A switch with BSU and/or Fresno St with UNM and/or Wyoming would be a
move in the right direction.
CSU | 10:42 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
The MWC was born at CSU. They are better than half the teams overall in all
sports you want to keep or add to the conference. The MWC will do nothing
without the approval of CSU>
Re: USU?!? | 10:45 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
He's talking about basketball, maybe you didn't pick up on that.
Also, he's saying that the football program is looking up and will quite
possibly be better than SDSU and UNLV soon, and I don't see that being too
far fetched.
SDCougar | 10:47 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
Now will you be my friend, BCS??? Listen closely, Sorenson:
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY; NOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE TEAMS IN THE CONFERENCE!!!
The BCS was invented to shut-out half the Division 1A schools in the country from the big money bowl games. You can juggle the non-BCS conferences all you want to and the BCS will still not cut you a piece of the action. They don't care about quality. Most BCS schools are the same caliber as non-BCS schools. They want to keep the money, publicity, money, glory, money, and highly rated recruits in a select few conferences. So, don't tax your brain with new combinations of non-BCS teams. The BCS conferences will never willingly relinquish all of their benefits. Why should they?
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY; NOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE TEAMS IN THE CONFERENCE!!!
The BCS was invented to shut-out half the Division 1A schools in the country from the big money bowl games. You can juggle the non-BCS conferences all you want to and the BCS will still not cut you a piece of the action. They don't care about quality. Most BCS schools are the same caliber as non-BCS schools. They want to keep the money, publicity, money, glory, money, and highly rated recruits in a select few conferences. So, don't tax your brain with new combinations of non-BCS teams. The BCS conferences will never willingly relinquish all of their benefits. Why should they?
Anonymous | 10:57 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
Athletic directors don't care about the programs' academics, only
athletics. Plus, BYU's academics are better than Arizona's and
Washington State's. The reason BYU will never be in the PAC 10 is because
of Sunday play.
yo adrian | 11:03 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
I like the 8 team new Mountain west
I remember Mike | 11:07 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
He is the one who declared last years Utah football team the best ever out of
the State of Utah. There was even a time, sir, that USU had some very good
seasons.
That is why he is willing to dump Wyoming and CSU, two teams that have historically done well, but not in the past ten years, which I guessing, is longer that Mr. Sorensen has been following college sports.
The conference has a problem right now with parity, but so does about every other conference. You don't fine tune it every 10 years.
Since you are obviously a Ute homer with Robinson, I have a suggestion about how to spend your time right now. Just sit back, drink your red koolaid, and be prepared to explain away utah's 3rd place finish in football, and bottom of the conference finish in basketball. Let the university President's do their job, and do what is best for the conference.
That is why he is willing to dump Wyoming and CSU, two teams that have historically done well, but not in the past ten years, which I guessing, is longer that Mr. Sorensen has been following college sports.
The conference has a problem right now with parity, but so does about every other conference. You don't fine tune it every 10 years.
Since you are obviously a Ute homer with Robinson, I have a suggestion about how to spend your time right now. Just sit back, drink your red koolaid, and be prepared to explain away utah's 3rd place finish in football, and bottom of the conference finish in basketball. Let the university President's do their job, and do what is best for the conference.
Silly Quote | 11:14 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
Mike Sorenson writes: "As good as it sounds, it would be hard to do. How do
you tell three of your fellow conference members to take a hike?"
Obvious answer: YOU DON'T. Conference associations are about LOTS more than football and men's basketball, though they are the most visible and apparently all Sorenson's thought about.
But what about other sports? Colorado State's got strong programs in women's basketball and volleyball--giving them the boot makes the MWC weaker in those sports. And that's not to mention academic similarities, which also figure heavily into the university presidents' decisions.
Universities generally don't throw out the conference baby with the bathwater just to make themselves look better in football. And if they did, there would be sour grapes at best--and potential legal action at worst. If Sorenson doesn't realize that by now, he needs to inform himself. Expansion is an infinitely better option for the MWC than expulsion.
Obvious answer: YOU DON'T. Conference associations are about LOTS more than football and men's basketball, though they are the most visible and apparently all Sorenson's thought about.
But what about other sports? Colorado State's got strong programs in women's basketball and volleyball--giving them the boot makes the MWC weaker in those sports. And that's not to mention academic similarities, which also figure heavily into the university presidents' decisions.
Universities generally don't throw out the conference baby with the bathwater just to make themselves look better in football. And if they did, there would be sour grapes at best--and potential legal action at worst. If Sorenson doesn't realize that by now, he needs to inform himself. Expansion is an infinitely better option for the MWC than expulsion.
Expansion is Better... | 11:24 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
... but not TOO much expansion. That was the problem with the 16-team WAC--way
too big and way too weak. If the MWC expands, the number of teams is CAPPED
FIRMLY at 12. If it works for the Big 12 and SEC, it could well work for the
Mountain West--IF IT ISN'T OVERDONE. The 16-team WAC way overdid it. Keep
it at 12, MAX.
My recommendation for adds: Boise State, Utah State (serious--football's a joke FOR NOW, but basketball and some other sports aren't), and Nevada. But others can and will argue with those last two--so let's hear it.
My recommendation for adds: Boise State, Utah State (serious--football's a joke FOR NOW, but basketball and some other sports aren't), and Nevada. But others can and will argue with those last two--so let's hear it.
DFW Cougar | 11:26 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
No way should we add SMU to the MWC. They would bring absolutely nothing to
this conference. TCU doesn't need a rivalry team in the MWC - they already
have very strong rivalries with Utah and BYU. You need to know something about
the DFW market. Adding SMU to solidify the DFW market is like adding a couple
of buckets of water to raise the level of the Great Salt Lake. Adding SMU to
the MWC would do less than nothing for the MWC.
Keep Dreaming | 11:31 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
To all you dreamers out there who think this would be a great idea, haven't
you heard the news... The UTES are going to the Pac-10 in two years along with
Colorado and chances are that BYU will go to the Big 10. So all you BSU and TCU
and CSU and SDSU, etc..., fans you can piddle around with the MWC while us Utes
will continue to roll! Go Utes I can't wait to see teams like USC, UCLA,
Cal, Oregon, etc., at Rice Eccles. Zoobies you better get your season tickets
now at Rice Eccles because you get to see some real football, not just
"execution"
CSU | 11:32 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
You could easily take out BYU or Utah or TCU if you take out CSU based on the
last 15 years football record and conference titles won. Plus CSU is among the
best academically in the MWC. It would not be a good idea to add Nevada or
Boise. They would diminish the prestige of the MWC.
Dumb and dumber | 11:42 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
Once again, a clueless article about conference realignment that only addresses
football issues.
The MWC doesn't need Boise State to become an AQ BCS school.
With TCU already a lock to play in a BCS game this season, the MWC only needs to qualify one more team for a BCS berth in either 2010 or 2011 in order to cement an automatic berth in the BCS starting in 2012.
The MWC becoming an AQ conference would almost make the WAC an AQ conference, since the only thing the WAC would have to do to get an automatic bid would be to have one team finish in the top 12 and have that team be ranked higher than the C-USA winner, which would be the only other conference that the WAC would have to compete against.
The MWC doesn't need Boise State to become an AQ BCS school.
With TCU already a lock to play in a BCS game this season, the MWC only needs to qualify one more team for a BCS berth in either 2010 or 2011 in order to cement an automatic berth in the BCS starting in 2012.
The MWC becoming an AQ conference would almost make the WAC an AQ conference, since the only thing the WAC would have to do to get an automatic bid would be to have one team finish in the top 12 and have that team be ranked higher than the C-USA winner, which would be the only other conference that the WAC would have to compete against.
Makes too much sense | 11:45 p.m. Nov. 15, 2009
So the presidents would never do it. But I totally agree.
ITcouldbe | 12:22 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I don't see the schools presidents voting to get rid of WYM or NM, even
though like you said it would be the perfect escenario, plus adding BSU, Houston
and perhaps Fresno State. adding USU would be ridiculous, so don't even
joke about it. We need Houston though, because is a big city and a potencial
Bowl ot to mention a good recruiting place. But I think leaving the conference
and creating a new one with the teams that you mention would be even a better
idea so we can get rid of the stupid MTN network deal at the same time.
Boise St | 12:37 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Boise State wouldnt go for it because they might have to play a decent team more
than once a season. It would shake their fans out of the fantasy they are in
that they are a legitimate team.
Anonymous | 12:43 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
anyone even commenting on this is ridiculous...
Searce | 1:28 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
RE: Keep Dreaming
"IN your dreams". Utah will not be invited to join the PAC, nor will BYU be invited to join the Big Ten.
"IN your dreams". Utah will not be invited to join the PAC, nor will BYU be invited to join the Big Ten.
Utah State? | 3:55 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
How many coaches has USU gone through in the last 25 years? How many times have
we heard "things are looking up in Logan?"
I would love to see the Aggies become consistently a good program in football, but the smart money is to bet against them. Unless a high school athlete has some regional (a Cache Valley resident) or familial loyalty to USU, if Utah and BYU want him also, the Aggies immediately become his third choice among Utah schools.
Whether it makes sense to fans or not, academic reputation and emphasis do factor in forming a college athletic conference. Also, other sports not mentioned above need to be considered as well.
As much as I respect BSU football (they are 5-0 against Utah and BYU in the past 15 years, by the way), I am not sure they are the first team to consider in a potential MWC expansion. I like Fresno State better - more television sets, better recruiting ground, and a better overall athletic program.
MWC fans need to realize that even if we expand, that doesn't guarantee an automatic BCS bid. The BCS conferences don't want to share the huge BCS payouts!
I would love to see the Aggies become consistently a good program in football, but the smart money is to bet against them. Unless a high school athlete has some regional (a Cache Valley resident) or familial loyalty to USU, if Utah and BYU want him also, the Aggies immediately become his third choice among Utah schools.
Whether it makes sense to fans or not, academic reputation and emphasis do factor in forming a college athletic conference. Also, other sports not mentioned above need to be considered as well.
As much as I respect BSU football (they are 5-0 against Utah and BYU in the past 15 years, by the way), I am not sure they are the first team to consider in a potential MWC expansion. I like Fresno State better - more television sets, better recruiting ground, and a better overall athletic program.
MWC fans need to realize that even if we expand, that doesn't guarantee an automatic BCS bid. The BCS conferences don't want to share the huge BCS payouts!
Utah Man | 4:09 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I don't think the MWC should do anything to change for the BCS which is
just a corrupt money grabbing institution that was allowed to grab way too much
power. They already know that the MWC is more legit than the ACC and Big Least
but they don't want THAT headache. When Utah busted in '04 they gave
them an insignicant Pitt team that would prove nothing if Utah won. When the
Utes were back in '08 they thought they would shut the National talk about
the Conf. by putting the undefeated Utes against 'bama believing 'bama
would destroy the formerly undefeated proving they did not belong. That
backfired. Now they have a problem with TCU. They have had their favorites @ 1,
2 and 3 all season saying to the nation once again that it's going to be an
SEC - Big 12 NC. They know TCU would destroy Texas, with Florida and Alabama not
fairing too well either. So they'll say things like "strength of
schedule" etc. I wish the outside conferences would put together a playoff
against their conf. champs and have the NC game in Vegas. Proclaiming NC
playoffs would kill the BCS.
Fun to talk about | 4:45 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
But absolutely ridiculous. What should they do? Creat a NEW conference? Maybe
call it the NSC, Never Satisfied Conference, or maybe the GIAG, the Grass is
Always Greener Conference. Try creating a network for the GIAG, or the GAG conf.
And what makes you think that BSU would WANT to join the MWC? They are doing just fine in my eyes, undefeated year after year. Sure, maybe they didn't get into the BCS last year, but it will happen. Better to be a big fish in a little pond, than a medium-sized fish in a we're never happy so we are making a new conference...pond.
I think the MWC is doing just fine, the schools are improving and the more we change it, the worse off it will be. Now it's even, 8 league games. What if there's 9? Does one team not play another, then there will be injustice because two undefeated teams in a conference that didn't play, and no champ. game.
Just leave it how it is, it will only grow and get better!
And what makes you think that BSU would WANT to join the MWC? They are doing just fine in my eyes, undefeated year after year. Sure, maybe they didn't get into the BCS last year, but it will happen. Better to be a big fish in a little pond, than a medium-sized fish in a we're never happy so we are making a new conference...pond.
I think the MWC is doing just fine, the schools are improving and the more we change it, the worse off it will be. Now it's even, 8 league games. What if there's 9? Does one team not play another, then there will be injustice because two undefeated teams in a conference that didn't play, and no champ. game.
Just leave it how it is, it will only grow and get better!
What's up? | 5:56 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
What makes the most since is that Utah joins the PAC 10, at that point things
might be up for grabs with what happens.
Football Fan | 6:24 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
'Just a note for "Not Again". BSU does NOT have the driving,
technical programs you refer to. Those programs are part of the College of
Western Idaho, not BSU. BSU's mission is that of an "emerging
metropolitan research university of distinction."
Second, BSU does have a national following, not just Idaho. Games are regularly telecast throughout the northwest on the Bronco network. In addition, ESPN telecasts many of the games. This year, ESPN is telecasting seven games.
Second, BSU does have a national following, not just Idaho. Games are regularly telecast throughout the northwest on the Bronco network. In addition, ESPN telecasts many of the games. This year, ESPN is telecasting seven games.
Dr. J. | 6:34 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I like an 8 team MWC. I think Wyo and CSU would fare better in the WAC or
Summitt league.
But with TCU, BYU and UU struggling to get quality non-conference games, what makes you think that they'll be able to schedule one more each season? Chances are they they'll then be left to scheduling CSU or Wyo or Eastern Washington anyway. And sorry, better rankings require playing better teams from other sections of the country.
But with TCU, BYU and UU struggling to get quality non-conference games, what makes you think that they'll be able to schedule one more each season? Chances are they they'll then be left to scheduling CSU or Wyo or Eastern Washington anyway. And sorry, better rankings require playing better teams from other sections of the country.
SDSU | 6:34 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Has terrible terrible attendance in football. There is some talk of cutting the
program. I hope they do. Then add boise. Leave it a nine team league.
MarkS | 6:48 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I expect professional sports writers from the local market to get their MWC
facts straight, and Sorenson is a major fail. For example, he talks about CSU
last being dominant in football in the 90's. Mike, CSU won the MWC outright
in football in 2000 and 2002.
And why does he not know that the league cannot "kick out" members? Teams can only withdraw and form their own new league, as the MWC eight did when they withdrew from the WAC.
And why does he not know that the league cannot "kick out" members? Teams can only withdraw and form their own new league, as the MWC eight did when they withdrew from the WAC.
PAC-10 | 7:11 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Sunday play is not the only reason for BYU not being invited to join the PAC-10.
Remember, it's not the ADs who make decisions regarding conference
membership; it's the university presidents. From an academic standpoint
(and the PAC-10 is particularly proud of its academic strength), BYU is lacking
in research funding and at least a perception of a lack of academic freedom.
LookingAtJokers | 7:21 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Boise State's engineering program is in the top ten in the nation. Not
exactly "Boise State Technical College” I don't believe any of
the colleges at any of the MWC universities are ranking in the top ten of
anything. And I believe if you check your facts you will see that Boise State
has a winning record over MWC schools. But why look at facts.?
GET REAL | 7:21 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Another article written for suckers who actually believe this could happen.
Utah is not going to the pac 10 and boise is not coming to the mwc!
GET REAL PEOPLE!
GET REAL PEOPLE!
Anonymous | 7:28 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Would never happen, and would still be a mediocre conference.
Re: What's up | 7:33 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Yeah like the PAC 10 wants a school that loses to IDAHO and the Baptists in bb
and hands out 55 to TCU! Get a life!
Anonymous | 7:35 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Mike, Mike. "UNLV and SDSU have the potential to be good programs."??
Are you serious? UNLV has had a decent football program since, oh, what, the
1970s with Ron Meyer? UNLV is a gambling town, not a football town, and Las
Vegas is a pro sports town, not a college town. They've brought in great
coaches who cannot create a "program" and win any games. It will never
change.
And SDSU is not much different. Occasionally they put together a good team but a "program?" not even. They can't get any fans out, they can't recruit, they can't compete with the Pac-10, and are always a bottom dweller in the MWC. To be honest, neither UNLV or SDSU will ever be any good in football.
And SDSU is not much different. Occasionally they put together a good team but a "program?" not even. They can't get any fans out, they can't recruit, they can't compete with the Pac-10, and are always a bottom dweller in the MWC. To be honest, neither UNLV or SDSU will ever be any good in football.
RE: Re: Whats up 7:33 | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Don't be bitter!
Someday your cougars may get to play in a BCS game and then you can say "me too, me too".
This year its TCU's turn and perhaps even next year also. BYU justs needs to execute at an even higher level apparently. Utah just needs to get a little more experience at some positions. Oh and both teams need more speed, although Utah seems to be faster than BYU, oh wait, most every team is faster than BYU.
The MWC biggest concern is what happens when TCU leaves for a AQ conference. That will only leave Utah and BYU to carry the conference torch. That a depressing thought for many.
Oh well.
Someday your cougars may get to play in a BCS game and then you can say "me too, me too".
This year its TCU's turn and perhaps even next year also. BYU justs needs to execute at an even higher level apparently. Utah just needs to get a little more experience at some positions. Oh and both teams need more speed, although Utah seems to be faster than BYU, oh wait, most every team is faster than BYU.
The MWC biggest concern is what happens when TCU leaves for a AQ conference. That will only leave Utah and BYU to carry the conference torch. That a depressing thought for many.
Oh well.
BYU Grad, 1993 | 8:29 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I think Tulsa would be a good fit. Their basketball program has won more NCAA
Tourny games than any other MWC team besides Utah. Tulsa's football team
would also compete well. Just my 2 cents.
Reality | 8:32 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
I would like to see the MWC become stronger in basketball. Boise wouldn't
add anything to the MWC basketball program. Tulsa would add strength to the MWC
program.
Also, we haven't we dumped Wyoming a long time ago? Wyoming is terrible in everything.
Also, we haven't we dumped Wyoming a long time ago? Wyoming is terrible in everything.
Dutchman | 8:35 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Mike, I like your analysis and agree with you for the most part. I don't
know if BYU and Utah have the stomach right now to add another team to the
conference that can beat them up as TCU did this year. If they do have the
stomach for expansion then going to 12 teams makes sense with the teams you
mentioned. I would bring in Houston over Tulsa because of the Texas connection
and the fact that Houston is the fourth largest city in the nation. Your
assertion that some teams should be booted from the Conference falls a bit flat.
Would the PAC-10 boot Arizona and Cal because Arizona has never been to the
Rose Bowl and Cal has not been in 50 years? Certainly not.
Isn't | 8:36 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
that how the Mountain worst conf got started in the first place... By taking the
"best" teams from the WAC like Wyoming, SDSU, NMU, and UNLV???
hahahahaha
Logical | 8:51 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
What is it with the dillusional obsession for Boise? They would bring
absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, to your new conference. Do you honestly
think they would go undefeated in football, or even lose just one game, year
after year if they played a legitimate schedule? They would lose at least two
if they played TCU, Utah and BYU every year. And, if they played a reasonable
non-conference schedule (four games) they could lose at least two of those.
Now, what happens to the recruiting when you aren't the perennial
conference champion anymore? Out the window, maybe?
How many athletes from southwest Idaho are making an impact in the MWC? Not many!! So would adding Boise do anything to conference exposure or recuiting? Not a chance. And, we haven't even talked about other sports. Do they even participate in other sports? When was the last time they won the conference (WAC) in basketball, track, (mens or womens) baseball, softball?? If you think a team that dominates a bad conference in one sport makes them an asset to a well rounded, well respected conference you're, well, dillusional.
How many athletes from southwest Idaho are making an impact in the MWC? Not many!! So would adding Boise do anything to conference exposure or recuiting? Not a chance. And, we haven't even talked about other sports. Do they even participate in other sports? When was the last time they won the conference (WAC) in basketball, track, (mens or womens) baseball, softball?? If you think a team that dominates a bad conference in one sport makes them an asset to a well rounded, well respected conference you're, well, dillusional.
Wishful Thinking | 8:56 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
Let's invite Kansas to boost the MWC basetball program and let's
invite Florida to boost the MWC football program.
We should also invite Notre Dame, Texas and Kentucky. If we did all of this the MWC would be a GREAT conference.
We should also invite Notre Dame, Texas and Kentucky. If we did all of this the MWC would be a GREAT conference.
BCS inevitable | 9:02 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009
The MWC will be a BCS conference in several years whether they expand or not.
Why would TCU leave a conference where they are extremely competitive for a
conference where they are an annual also ran?
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