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Readers' forum: Preclude the ugliness

huh? | 3:58 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009

what?

Attempted Translation... | 7:19 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009

If you are saying:

The LDS Church could have avoided a lot of its drama and public relations nightmare if it had said this prior to the Proposition 8 vote in california.

If they had done this, there would be much more trust that their current stand is genuine.

I agree.

Ya, what | 7:23 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009

did you just say?

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jackhp | 9:38 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009

That is one heckuva run-on sentence . . . also, you betcha!

20/20 | 11:41 a.m. Nov. 16, 2009

In truth, there is no middle ground that the LDS Church can find that the radical homosexual marraige wing of the Democrat Party will accept. Is the writer recommending appeasement of a group that will not accept any compromise?
"Any compromise between food and poison results in death". Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
The homosexual agenda is societal death. No compromise.

Possible translation: | 1:25 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

The author says that many of us are tempted to conclude that the angry reaction to LDS Church support for Prop 8 proves that the church was right to support it. The author believes that it is important to be sensitive to other people’s beliefs or feelings, though others mock the concept. The author suggests that the LDS Church might have avoided the angry reaction if it had simultaneously stated its support for other issues, such as fair housing. The author supposes that this would have helped others to see that the Church’s stance was rooted only in principle. The author supposes that there would have been no angry backlash and no one would have felt persecuted if the Church had done this.

My response | 1:28 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

The LDS Church could not have done anything to stop the ugly bigoted reaction to their support of prop 8, except bow to the wishes of the same-sex marriage supporters.

Had the same-sex marriage supporters won, there would not have been the slightest comment on the LDS Church’s support. But they didn’t win, so the vile and angry mobs searched out the easiest target on which to unleash their vengeance and hatred.

In fact, if the church had simultaneously stated other issues they support, the mobs would have been even angrier. They would have called the other issues a mere smokescreen and accused the LDS Church of hiding their true intent.

Mr. Brandon | 1:36 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

Who cares what that blow-hard, over-the-top, hateful egoist Ms. Rand had to say?

Voice of Reason | 2:40 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

Actually, the LDS Church has stated all along through the Proposition 8 process that it doesn't have a problem with certain rights for gays, such as this Church statement issued over a year ago, right as the vote happened:

"...the Church does not object to rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights..."

So, in reality, the LDS Church did almost exactly what this writer "wished" it had done.

The LDS Church can't win with the gay activists on this...they'll nail the Church no matter WHAT they do or say, and no matter HOW reasonable or charitable it is.

You offer a snack to a bear & they'll eat you too, as the saying goes.

get over yourself neocons | 2:53 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

right you all are the victims you are the ones being told that you do not have the right to marry the person you love to provide a safe and secure future for your family you are all such victims.

Anonymous | 3:08 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

The "no compromise" and "give a snack to a bear" comments are all reasons the LDS Church shouldn't have done what they did. They SHOULD have, they did so get over it. They did not make a strong public stand before last week.

Charles | 5:30 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

Homosexual behavior should never be tolerated, condoned or accepted. Most definitely it should never be used to create a "victim class" of people for special rights.

Homosexual behavior and abortion are the 2 biggest stains on our society and should be shunned at all cost.

Get over yourself @2:53 | 5:32 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

Right, you all are the victims. You are the ones being told that you do not have the right to support the institutions you believe in, to provide a better future for your family. You are all such victims.

btw, gays are not victims in this regard. Stop acting like gays need government endorcement to unite with the ones they love. No one is trying to keep gays apart. And no children came from the gay relationship, so stop acting like that issue is relevant. The people who made the baby together should be responsable for it.

Christy | 6:15 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

Oh Charles, society should shun you and your fellow neanderthals at all costs.

Christy | 6:17 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

"The homosexual agenda is societal death."

HOW? Explain please.

Voice of Reason | 8:23 p.m. Nov. 16, 2009

The fact that the LDS Church didn't become a full-fledged pro-gay activist apparatus for gay employment & residence protections should surprise no one; this is apparently the only thing that will satisfy pro-gay types.

No, "gays" - i.e. people struggling with same-sex attraction issues - should not be shut out of jobs and housing just because they are struggling with a very difficult condition, regardless of whether they are trying to overcome it or not.

But the cold, hard truth is homosexuality literally kills. Gays die on average over 20 years sooner than straights. They suffer STDs at astronomically higher rates. And they suffer depression & suicide at much higher rates...highest of all in the most gay-friendly places...it's not because of gay disapproval by others.

Those are a few of the many, many reasons the LDS Church, and Americans in general, will never, never see homosexuality as normal and harmless...simply because it is neither.

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