Comments about ‘Mormons and gay rights’

I'm justs wondering how many "Known" Gays, work in a paid function for the LDS church.

Wonder if they practice what they preach....

I applaud the church's stance and its conduct on this issue.

However, I would like to see examples of homosexuals who do "violence" to the institution of marriage. What violence has been done/could be done to marriage? Does a loving, committed gay couple who may end up staying married for forty years do more "violence" to the institution of marriage than Britney Spears' 36 hour Vegas marriage? I don't see how using inflammatory rhetoric follows Christ's teachings. I would love for someone to show me. I would also love to hear how gay people are a "threat" to marriage. Allowing gays to marry does nothing to diminish the institution or to damage the relationships in straight marriages. Only the individuals in the marriage itself can do that.

Amen!

great kudo's to the lds church. this was not an easy decision--but it put love and understanding above fear!

How are your going to defend yourself against any claim of not hiring, or renting to someone who says that are "gay"? Those of us who practice employment law think this is going to give the claimant great emotional leverage, so anyone in the interview, when they see certain mannerisms,will hire just to avoid a law suit, not on qualifications, and alternatively, questions will be asked about someones sexual persuasion by someone inexperienced with such interviews, which automatically creates an inference of discrimination. Such questions are always inappropriate, though not illegal under the federal act,Title VII.If someone thinks they have been discriminated against, how will the employer prove neutrality to defend against such claims? I do not think you know how powerful such a claim will be to intimidate an employer?

Vitriolic comments follow the LDS Church when one or two things happen: 1. Statements by the church are either misinterpreted, or ignored altogether; and 2. when the LDS Church remains silent on an issue and lets other speak for them. This latest action is an example of how to do it right. It is a statement of beliefs---Christ-like love for all, while restating rock-solid doctrines that will not change through societal pressure. Whether one agrees with the LDS set of doctrines or not, you have to respect an organization for it's resolve to stick to its beliefs amid a morass of changing secular morality; and yet is making its best effort at keeping dialogue open with all groups. Hats off.

Is this really a problem that needs a solution?
Who has been fired/not hired for being gay?
Who has been denied a rental for being gay?
I would like some specific examples, that I could look at, or google.
Tried to find cases but nothing came up.
I do not want a bunch of "it happens all the time"
I would like some examples of where gays have been discriminated against in work, or renting due to being gay.
I believe that each human deserves dignity, and respect.
I had a friend who was gay, everyone knew not to mess with him, or they would have to answer to me.
No one ever messed with him

I don't like to pay my bills on time. I still pay them- just a few weeks late, with interest, so I'm not hurting anybody. I know I was born this way because it's the only thing that makes me happy, and if you disagree with my behavior for any reason it means you HATE me. I don't want to have collectors or repo men coming after me any more- it's ruining my life!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have special rights based on my chosen behavior too, Salt Lake City, or are you going to discriminate against me like everyone else?

The surprise and relief disparaged by this editorial were direct results of the church's earlier and deafening silence on the Common Ground Initiatives. Remember that, Mr. Editor?

The church's support of this ordinance is too little too late. After proding its members (me included) to spend millions of dollars to rob the ability of our homosexual brothers and sisters to marry, do the church leaders really believe that this current action will change how the church is viewed?

Marriage and politics aside, the sad reality is that gays and lesbians are still treated very poorly within the church. I remember when my brother came out to me and explained all that he had been through growing up gay. I cried for days. This amazing brother had prayed daily for his entire life to make his same-sex attractions go away. He had put himself through years of therapy to change. He even attempted to take his own life because he felt no one could love a homosexual. No one should have to go through what he did and the one place that should have been a safe reprieve, church, was (and continues to be) the worst offender.

I sincerely hope that this action by the church is only the beginning. They have a lot of making up to do.

The biggest surprise is to learn that the Church owns this newspaper! Most of our leaders back here in the east have denied this on many occasions. Not sure whether it was ignorance on their part or thought it was a big secret to be kept as such.
Having stated this, I am now REALLY surprised of the many kinds of down grading articles I have read in this CHURCH owned paper. WOW! What would Jesus do if he stood in the editorial rooms of His paper? We have a hymn in His Church that asks us that very question. I can only imagine. :(

So, what this DN story says, is that President Gordon B. Hinckley lied, when he said this then hey?. And these statements by the LDS church are either misinterpreted, or ignored altogether, when it boils down to so called "behavioral problem" homosexual rights?, and what it's saying then is when the LDS Church remains silent on an issue, and lets other speak for them, it won't SOUND as if President Gordon B. Hinckley lied ?. I know better. Do you?.


We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.

This proclamation was read and said by President Gordon B. Hinckley as part of his message at the General Relief Society Meeting held September 23, 1995, in Salt Lake City, Utah.

It's the full TRUTH.

MORE CENSORSHIP OF MY STATEMENTS! CHRIST TAUGHT THAT WE HAVE "FREE AGENCT" TO SPEAK THE TRUTH. WHEN I DO, I AM CENSORED.

'Who has been fired/not hired for being gay?'

13,000 men and women discharged under Don't ask, Don't tell.'

I have been evicted from a rental property due to my orientation. This was around 13S. 2E. SLC.

I'm glad you protect your gay friend from discrimination 'is it needed'.

Let's not pretend we all have such protections.

SLC July '09 discrimination report gives 300 other examples that is not the case.

Of course it is needed. If you need "proof", talk to people who are gay and listen to their stories. Just knowing your friend and your need to defend him should be proof enough for you.

"Can I have special rights based on my chosen behavior too, Salt Lake City?"

Sure. It's called religion.

re: jim | 11:31 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

//great kudo's to the lds church. this was not an easy decision--but it put love and understanding above fear!//

The rumor I heard is; Romney called "the Powwers that be" & said you are hamstringing my chances for the Oval Office.

The first couple of comments here illustrate an important point. For those who choose to attack the LDS Church, it doesn't matter what they do.

Something they like" It isn't enough, or isn't sincere. Something they don't like, the Church is out of touch or bigoted, or in some other way evil.

The Church has explained itself well here. The doctrine hasn't changed. We support the protection of your rights to the extent it doesn't damage the divine institution of marriage and religious freedom.

The elepahant in the room here is very simple. Latter Day Saints believe that homesexual sex, as well as pre-marital sex of any kind is a sin. The Church also believes that no unclean thing can enter the kingdom of God. Therefore, you must repent of your sins and come unto Christ. Very simple people. If gays marry, they will be continually sinning and not repenting. Its that simple. No different that someone who is heterosexual living with someone out of wedlock. EXACTLY the same. If you argue against the Church by saying "Gay marrige does not hurt anyone, etc, etc," you are missing the elephant in the room. The Church TRULY believes in equality, but that equality, that is, we are all sinners and must repent to be saved in the Kingdom of God. If you are living in sin and un-repentant, you cannot be saved. Why is this elephant never mentioned? People on both sides argue till they are blue in the face. If you do not agree that homosexual sex is a sin, then we are talking apples and oranges.

The Sutherland Institute got it right when they said that this is a victory for homosexuals. They will continue to chip away at morality and try to gain acceptance any way they can. SLC has now created a new class of protected citizen, "Gay". Wrong thing for the church to do. Wrong thing for SLC to do. I don't believe in discriminating against gays but I don't believe in giving them special status either. Proof of my opinion is the state reps that said now that SLC did this they want the state to follow suit. If you don't think this will hurt anyone you are very wrong. It hurts all of society when we start to legitimize immoral and abhorant behavior. This will just give the LGBT community strength to continue their fight. I for one am tired of the rhetoric. Sin never was happiness.