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'Soft' Jazz no match for Celts
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Jerry Sloan teams don't win on the road, don't win when it counts the most. Did anyone expect a different result ?
We will see how the fare against PHI. However, the Jazz are getting buried in the West. Millsap at least came to life. However the basic Jazz model based on Boozer/Okur/AK/Brewer is not working and it has not worked for a couple of years. Replacing Boozer with Millsap actually produces a weaker (but less expensive) team.
The FO needs to rethink the PF, wings and back up PG positions before this team can move forward. Fez and Koufos are fine for depth. Ditto for Mathews. Okur has improved his offense and is trying on defense but he would need to be paired with a good defending PF.
A coaching change may make a world of difference. Sloan changes when forced to change but that is only when things are broken so badly he has to.
It is partly coaching philosophy and partly player selection/playing time/rotations.
I would rather be PHO right now than the Jazz (different philosophy). Which team has more talent? Collins must be laughing from the bench.
Jazz will get it together with some sort of Boozer trade that sparks us. Mark my words. The key is to win one more in this trip, and all of the home games for the month (They are all winable). We will be in ok position if we do that.
If we play okay, then the Miller family will stick with continuity and we will continue to be a mediocre team. Now we suck! This could end up good for the long term. They will have to make changes at this rate !
The status quo obviously is a disaster ...
The problem with this team is the front office and its approach to the game. That of course includes Sloan who will not make the changes in players that are necessary to win.
Too many projects. Too many role players with weaknesses that can be exploited.
It is not just Boozer. Boozer is an offensive specialist. Sloan has known that for years. Pretending to get defense out of him is nothing more that PR. Ditto for Okur. The wings can't shoot. Sloan knew that when he got Korver. Korver improved things. However, a lot more was needed besides Korver.
The biggest problem has been at back up PG. When key players like DWill go down this team comes apart. Real contenders are more versatile and are built on defense. The Jazz have never been built for defense. It has been all talk and illusion.
The big problem is a refusal to make changes. All of the contenders are very active in making changes. They fix weaknesses.
There are always injuries. It is part of the game. Contenders are versatile. Look at HOU. They have plan B. Look at PHO. Even LA made changes. DEN added Lawson which made sense. I am not convinced DEN is as strong as last year. DAL made major changes. SA tried to fix their weaknesses and come playoff time they will be in the mix. LA is doing pretty well without Gasol.
The Jazz totally fall apart missing 2 role players. There is something wrong with the way this team is put together. It has had major issues for years and all we have heard is continuity.
Well continuity is giving you one of the most expensive bad teams in the league. Isiah Thomas could do this bad?
Yes Boozer is putting up good numbers which might help his trade value. He is valuable to the right team which can work around his lack of defense.
But it is not all Boozer. It is the approach to the game.
The Jazz looked slow, old, no energy. no one using theyr'e feet defensively and just took jump shots.
When shorthanded it is up to your best players to pick up slack.. I saw none of it. They all stunk/ I appreciate DWIL effort, but if this leads to long term injury it is not worth it.
Eric Maynor so far has showed me little. I questioned the pick at the time. Meanwhile Denver has Ty Lawson.. If we had someone like that we could have paired him, given DWIL a bit of a break and play him at #2 guard, like with Dee Brown at Illinois.
To the "Sloanaholics" Never ever Jerry's fault. Preparation and effort, sure it is from players but a coach has to motivate. The effort tonight was despicable especially in te 2nd half acting like we "had a back to back"
Like i predicted looking at starting (3-7) the worst start in 28 years
Keep Smiling
#2 the continued AK, tirade and selfishness. Why the Jazz don't buy him out, waive him or take a trade for some too old, too big contract guys then waive them I can"t imagine. You get the salary down reduce the tax, and give younger guys more time while getting a scoring punch. Look at 47's output per minutes, his wet paperbag defense, what value does he have to the Jazz?
However, he has made this team too dependent on going inside to PFs who are too short and maybe too slow.
His phobia against using the outside shot has made this team vulnerable to zone defenses.
His lack of a decent PG/Combo guard to back up/play beside DWill puts the whole team in jeopardy every time DWill gets dinged.
The lack of defense can be traced directly to the decision to use Boozer and Okur in tandem. The exterior defense is also lacking. He has not recruited defense. He has recruited offense and hoped to get a little D.
At this point any injury to an outside shooter packs the paint. Any injury to DWill kills the offense. As long as Okur and Boozer are paired interior defense is a myth.
The Sloan system can be a winner but it has to have players who can shoot from the outside and it has to have a 2nd credible PG (like Fish) who can shoot, run the offense and play D.
It ran well when Fish was back up PG. He played D, he could shoot from the outside, slash and he could play with DWill in combo and also back up.
PG is the most important position for the Sloan system. The Jazz have never replaced Fish's capability and have never been a contender since then.
In the mean time, teams have figured out how to disrupt DWill and also the PF position.
A Fish like PG to go with DWill solves one problem. Harp could be traded for such a PG.
Sufficient outside shooting fixes the another problem. That can't come from DWill or Okur. It has to come from the wings.
Everyone in the NBA knows the Jazz have wings who can't shoot.
The Jazz can consistently outscore opponents if they fix these 2 problems.
Sloan/KOC stubbornness have flushed the Jazz. They have refused to fix these problems. They did not want to make the trades or get the players that were necessary to fix them.
Fez/Koufos probably fix the center problems if they get developed and used.
Defense is not a matter of trying harder. Korver and now Okur try harder. Korver has gotten better but he is still not a good defender.
The problems start with the guards/3s who are not quick enough. They can not keep their man in front of them. They also are average at guarding 3s.
The interior defense is a sieve and Boozer and Okur are the primary problems but Millsap is too short and fouls a lot. Playing Boozer and Okur together has some offensive advantages if the wings can shoot and the PG play is not disrupted but they give it all back on the other end.
The Jazz need a bigger PF who can play both offense and defense. Everyone knows it, but nobody has found this player yet (at least on who is available and affordable).
If Sloan were serious about defense he would have recruited players who CAN play defense. He built an offensive machine instead. The offensive machine is now broken and the Jazz have major problems.
Sloan on the Jazz?
Nope.
SVG on his Magic.
Just goes to show how much effort and focus means on defense. Last year Orlando was a top 3 D all year long.
Sloan is not the only problem but it starts with him. He controls player selection. He decides who gets traded predominantly.
For starters the Jazz have to do 3 things quick. They have to trade Price (if possible) for a real PG who can replace Fish. Maynor will take 2 years to develop. Harp and Price will get you a very good PG who will fix the DWill/shooting guard problem. years.
They need to trade Boozer/Millsap for a PF who is taller and who can both defend and has offensive skills. Okur is adequate if he has a great PF and FEZ/Koufos backing him.
There is more than enough money tied up in Boozer/Millsap to get a great PF. If only Boozer goes, Millsap/Koufos are adequate back ups.
They need a wing shooter/defender (maybe Mathews).
Will the Jazz make the changes? Or will they insist on continuity?
There are obvious chemistry issues. And I think that is kind of sad for many reasons. There is nothing wrong with Sloan. Sloans system works !! Sloans system works with this team !! Jazz were an up and coming Team that we all were excited about. Everything was on schedule until last years injuries. Thing was, they held together pretty good considering, until Boozer started running his mouth and eventually came back to play. And as far as this season, add on what happened this summer and it is just a carry over from the mess at the end of last year. It is really a joke.
Utah Jazz Management with Boozer on the roster this team is in limbo. For the sake of the team please remove this cancer. I would hate to see things get any worse.
Come on 6 and 14mins with DWill hurt?
We gettin killed cos we got no defense from our bigs and our 2 biggest are sittin.
This game is a good indiciation of where the Jazz are now at. Sruggle against a middle of the road teams and easily get whooped by a contender.
I reckon we win about 30 games for the season unless Sloan walks.
Bigs inside that defend!! Come on Jerry get with the program or step aside..
P.S. getting rid of O'Conner before the draft this summer might be a good move, he's going really foul up your picks if you let him make the decisions.
Clean up this mess, Greg!!!!
Last night, 0 - 10 from the 3 point line.
It is very apparent that this is CJ and Korver's team. Not Boozer and Millsap.
The sports center highlights showed Fes watching players making layups as he stood there. Who in their right mind thinks he is the answer on defense in the middle. He looks just like Boozer under the basket. More Fes? He played plenty last night and did NOTHING.
Millsap and Boozer are checked out mentally. Need to trade both of them. Oh wait, they are not tradeable with those salaries. I guess it now becomes Jerry's job to get them playing.
Dwill should have never played last night. This team is messed up and now it is being exposed every night by opposing teams.
This is the best thing I've heard from Sloan in a long time.
"I just thought Coach was trying to mix it up a little bit. I don't know... Maybe he's trying to do something different and spark the team. I have no idea... But I don't know if it worked or not..."
He's knows he's getting called out by the coach and that's the best he can do. Maybe he should become a politician with a response like that.
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