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Great Al | 8:31 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
We really are a lottery team, aren't we?
Ak Fan | 8:32 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
No chance. Fesenko and Koufus could boost stagnant game but Sloan being Sloan. No chance
plyxply | 8:38 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Remember the Alamo. I appreciate that Deron played tonight but in reality the Jazz need to make sure he's healthy, and if he's even knicked up a little they need to sit him for a few weeks to make sure he's ok. Get some of these other guys some experience, we know DWill is going to step it up when we get the two lottery picks, we just need to figure out who else will get to stick around for the championship run in a couple of years.
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A Laugher | 8:41 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
This game was over at the opening tip. How pathetic was that? This better change quickly or all of us jazz fans are going to live with "complete" embarrassment for the rest of the year. A payroll of 84 million, second highest in the NBA this year and this is what we get? 30 million for Boozer and A.K., 20 million for Memo and Milsap, thats 50 million for 4 players that wouldn't even make the starting team for most of the teams in this league, at least the quality top 15 teams. How ridiculous. Who talked who into this fiasco? I would play Mathews, Fess and Koufus the rest of the year with major minutes because quite frankly these 4 named players have 4 plus years experience and are flat not getting it done, and neither is our coach! Hopefully Boozer will be let go at years end and A.K. will get traded, we get 2 high draft picks and then our owners hire a new coaching staff to build on. Brewer also should not be signed, he is terrible also. What a mess.
So surprised | 8:44 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
they lost given that awesome D Boozer was playing. Seriously, all you Boozer apologists, watch the video. The guy is never in the right place defensively. I don't know if he just doesn't want to get too many fouls, but he is a freaking spectator. Really, if you watch the tape, I promise you will see it.
Nevada fan | 8:46 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Boozer is not the problem if you look at Okur. The return of Korver, and CJ isn't going to turn this team around. I have a small western store and a small drywall company and I can tell you that if my decision's or people I employ were failing (costing me or losing me money) I would immediately put a stop and fix what ever problem there is. Unless I was making so much that I needed a loss. I sure that the Miller's being a huge corporation has to see this. What would it be like to be a fly on wall around the players when there alone and the corporate office.
Jerry Sloan | 8:47 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Thanks for the memories but it is time to hang it up. The Jazz are loyal to you but you need to bow out gracefully.... You are no longer able to motivate a club and the game has passed you by. Education is not enough!
Same old ,same old Jazz... | 8:57 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
...regardless who is on the roster, with Jerry Sloan as the constant factor.

Jerry Sloan teams don't win on the road, don't win when it counts the most. Did anyone expect a different result ?
Anonymous | 9:07 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Another typical Sloanian game of players playing in fear of the boss. But hey, at least they weren't wearing headbands, that's what counts the most, right Jerry?
jeremy | 9:09 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Sloan coach of the year.get on the Bandwagon.....
Pedro | 9:23 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
The Jazz need a trade ASAP to create some sort of spark.
Losing to BOS at BOS is | 9:31 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
understandable even if PHO did beat them the other night. It is the losses at home to SAC and HOU that really upset me.

We will see how the fare against PHI. However, the Jazz are getting buried in the West. Millsap at least came to life. However the basic Jazz model based on Boozer/Okur/AK/Brewer is not working and it has not worked for a couple of years. Replacing Boozer with Millsap actually produces a weaker (but less expensive) team.

The FO needs to rethink the PF, wings and back up PG positions before this team can move forward. Fez and Koufos are fine for depth. Ditto for Mathews. Okur has improved his offense and is trying on defense but he would need to be paired with a good defending PF.

A coaching change may make a world of difference. Sloan changes when forced to change but that is only when things are broken so badly he has to.

It is partly coaching philosophy and partly player selection/playing time/rotations.

I would rather be PHO right now than the Jazz (different philosophy). Which team has more talent? Collins must be laughing from the bench.
jason | 9:31 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
I don't believe we have our own draft pick this coming offseason...only the Knicks pick. I think we lost it somewhere along the way in some trade. Can anyone else out there in Jazz land verify that, or am i incorrect. At any rate, I was extremely disappointed by the effort most of the guys gave tonight (Boozer and Okur being the biggest culprits). The Jazz need to trade Boozer ASAP (even if they get 70 cents or so on the dollar in return), start Millsap, and just suck it up and play hard until Korver, Miles, Price, etc...return. If they can just hover around 500 until everyone gets back, and retool in a Boozer deal, they could still make some noise before the end of the season. But something needs to change...and soon, or were going to dig to deep a hole to climb out of.
JazzHater72 | 9:38 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Well i hope you all had a chance to see the Jazz play againt a Contender... The Jazz should change their name to the Utah Prentenderzz!!!
JazzHater72 | 9:57 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Maybe if Sloan wins coach of the year he will retire?
jazz man 98 | 9:58 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
The celtics only had 4 more field goals than us. Not horrible, but we had 0 3s. Hopefully that will change when we get korver and cj back. But lets be honest. If this was another bad team we lost to then I would be worried, but were talking about probably the best team in the league that we lost to on the road.

Jazz will get it together with some sort of Boozer trade that sparks us. Mark my words. The key is to win one more in this trip, and all of the home games for the month (They are all winable). We will be in ok position if we do that.
st. george jazz fan | 10:07 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
hey atleast we won in the 4th quarter 24-21, it looks like Jerry is doing his job of motivating when it counts in crunch time.
Anonymous | 10:10 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Pretty sure we have two first round picks, the mock draft boards all say we do anyway.
Jazz fans! | 10:29 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Think of the bright side ya'll !

If we play okay, then the Miller family will stick with continuity and we will continue to be a mediocre team. Now we suck! This could end up good for the long term. They will have to make changes at this rate !

The status quo obviously is a disaster ...
lenni | 10:35 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
whoa is me. there is something wrong here. I don't usually get on the coach, but mr Sloan has just got to do something about Boozer. he has a contract that most super stars have and he can't play two good games in a row. I can't bear to see this team turn into a third world organization. right now I see about three consistent players on the Jazz team. the rest of them,you just can't depend on. what is going on at the top of the heap. is anyone home!?
I am... | 10:39 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
speechless. Said all I am going to say. We have to hit the basement and will soon to wake up our coaching and management staff. What a joke. We only have a couple of really good players on the team and some young guys who we do not know.Boozer is not among them.
jbra80 | 10:52 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Worked all night so i didn't see the game, but reading the quotes in the article make this look even worse than the box score. Deron clearly is ready for Booz to get off this team. If this keeps up I don't think he'll even try to hide it. One positive is that it looks like Sloan is at least trying to send these guys a lesson. It's good to see him a little fired up, i miss it.
The Celtics bought  | 11:05 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
a championship with their 80+ million. The Jazz bought continuity and went backwards. If CJ and Korver make this much difference there is something very wrong with the Sloan approach.

The problem with this team is the front office and its approach to the game. That of course includes Sloan who will not make the changes in players that are necessary to win.

Too many projects. Too many role players with weaknesses that can be exploited.

It is not just Boozer. Boozer is an offensive specialist. Sloan has known that for years. Pretending to get defense out of him is nothing more that PR. Ditto for Okur. The wings can't shoot. Sloan knew that when he got Korver. Korver improved things. However, a lot more was needed besides Korver.

The biggest problem has been at back up PG. When key players like DWill go down this team comes apart. Real contenders are more versatile and are built on defense. The Jazz have never been built for defense. It has been all talk and illusion.

The big problem is a refusal to make changes. All of the contenders are very active in making changes. They fix weaknesses.
Jerry | 11:05 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Why are Boozer and Okur EVER in the game at the same time? Why are Koufos and Fes not being developed? Jerry your coaching is dead.
Boozer and Sloan | 11:09 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Whats up with them? I've never seen anything like it. Heck I haven't even heard of anything like it. What a joke.
Fans Want | 11:11 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Booze off this team. Please get him out of here. He stinks.
After this road trip | 11:13 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
I hope Greg realizes that to be a contender and get your money's worth you have to be proactive. You have to actively manage and fix the weaknesses.

There are always injuries. It is part of the game. Contenders are versatile. Look at HOU. They have plan B. Look at PHO. Even LA made changes. DEN added Lawson which made sense. I am not convinced DEN is as strong as last year. DAL made major changes. SA tried to fix their weaknesses and come playoff time they will be in the mix. LA is doing pretty well without Gasol.

The Jazz totally fall apart missing 2 role players. There is something wrong with the way this team is put together. It has had major issues for years and all we have heard is continuity.

Well continuity is giving you one of the most expensive bad teams in the league. Isiah Thomas could do this bad?

Yes Boozer is putting up good numbers which might help his trade value. He is valuable to the right team which can work around his lack of defense.

But it is not all Boozer. It is the approach to the game.
Mr.. O'Conner | 11:14 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
What have you done to our Jazz?
Mark from OZ | 11:15 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
The Jazz's own first round pick is top 17 protected, so the way things are going 2 first rounders.
Dan | 11:18 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Ladies and Gentilmen your Utah Jazz. Ha Ha He He Oh Oh Ho Ho he he ha ha..........
Panic Button | 11:20 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009
This Boozer mess needs to be cleaned up, NOW.
Manager Man | 12:16 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
Stephen Jackson for Carlos Boozer. At least Stephen has some versatility and can defend, like an AK that can shoot the 3. Granted he would have to lose the headband, but the Jazz does need some toughness, and SJ brings just that. (Although some might refer to him as a "thug", I honestly think this team could use some of that right now!)The Jazz seriously need some wings that can play, they should have traded Boozer to Detroit for Richard Hamilton.... Just a thought.
jazzman72 | 1:46 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
Play fes and koufos. Look to the future. It looks like we will have two lottery picks next summer. Maybe the team can improve with a core of talented young players, a la Portland.
todd from santa ana | 1:55 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
I understand we were outmanned last night. However, this effort was awful. Watching the Celtics they were coasting like a pickup game and were giving it maybe 1/2 effort, and they still won huge.

The Jazz looked slow, old, no energy. no one using theyr'e feet defensively and just took jump shots.

When shorthanded it is up to your best players to pick up slack.. I saw none of it. They all stunk/ I appreciate DWIL effort, but if this leads to long term injury it is not worth it.


Eric Maynor so far has showed me little. I questioned the pick at the time. Meanwhile Denver has Ty Lawson.. If we had someone like that we could have paired him, given DWIL a bit of a break and play him at #2 guard, like with Dee Brown at Illinois.

To the "Sloanaholics" Never ever Jerry's fault. Preparation and effort, sure it is from players but a coach has to motivate. The effort tonight was despicable especially in te 2nd half acting like we "had a back to back"

Like i predicted looking at starting (3-7) the worst start in 28 years

Keep Smiling
ctoe | 2:02 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
Why quote Boozer when he is a huge part of the problem. The problem will not be fixed with Boozer on the team.
SJ Bobkins | 2:42 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
simple, NO chemistry, very little leadership, and two developing cancers in the locker room #1 unhappy Boozer, "playing' out his contract with as little effort as possible.
#2 the continued AK, tirade and selfishness. Why the Jazz don't buy him out, waive him or take a trade for some too old, too big contract guys then waive them I can"t imagine. You get the salary down reduce the tax, and give younger guys more time while getting a scoring punch. Look at 47's output per minutes, his wet paperbag defense, what value does he have to the Jazz?













Anonymous | 2:56 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
WOW Jazz! Dont know what to say besides you guys need some major help fast.
Fault | 3:50 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
The biggest problem is an over application of Sloan biases and philosophy. Sloan likes offensive efficiency coming from the inside. So do I.

However, he has made this team too dependent on going inside to PFs who are too short and maybe too slow.

His phobia against using the outside shot has made this team vulnerable to zone defenses.

His lack of a decent PG/Combo guard to back up/play beside DWill puts the whole team in jeopardy every time DWill gets dinged.

The lack of defense can be traced directly to the decision to use Boozer and Okur in tandem. The exterior defense is also lacking. He has not recruited defense. He has recruited offense and hoped to get a little D.

At this point any injury to an outside shooter packs the paint. Any injury to DWill kills the offense. As long as Okur and Boozer are paired interior defense is a myth.

The Sloan system can be a winner but it has to have players who can shoot from the outside and it has to have a 2nd credible PG (like Fish) who can shoot, run the offense and play D.
Sloan/KOC | 4:00 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
Know exactly what is needed to make this team a winner and have known for at least 3 years.

It ran well when Fish was back up PG. He played D, he could shoot from the outside, slash and he could play with DWill in combo and also back up.

PG is the most important position for the Sloan system. The Jazz have never replaced Fish's capability and have never been a contender since then.

In the mean time, teams have figured out how to disrupt DWill and also the PF position.

A Fish like PG to go with DWill solves one problem. Harp could be traded for such a PG.

Sufficient outside shooting fixes the another problem. That can't come from DWill or Okur. It has to come from the wings.

Everyone in the NBA knows the Jazz have wings who can't shoot.

The Jazz can consistently outscore opponents if they fix these 2 problems.

Sloan/KOC stubbornness have flushed the Jazz. They have refused to fix these problems. They did not want to make the trades or get the players that were necessary to fix them.
The other 2 major problems | 4:09 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
are defense and Center.

Fez/Koufos probably fix the center problems if they get developed and used.

Defense is not a matter of trying harder. Korver and now Okur try harder. Korver has gotten better but he is still not a good defender.

The problems start with the guards/3s who are not quick enough. They can not keep their man in front of them. They also are average at guarding 3s.

The interior defense is a sieve and Boozer and Okur are the primary problems but Millsap is too short and fouls a lot. Playing Boozer and Okur together has some offensive advantages if the wings can shoot and the PG play is not disrupted but they give it all back on the other end.

The Jazz need a bigger PF who can play both offense and defense. Everyone knows it, but nobody has found this player yet (at least on who is available and affordable).

If Sloan were serious about defense he would have recruited players who CAN play defense. He built an offensive machine instead. The offensive machine is now broken and the Jazz have major problems.
C33 | 4:25 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
"Every night I see a lack of effort. The defensive numbers don't lie. This group thinks we win with our offense, so we don't play any defense. We're one of the worst defensive teams in the league."

Sloan on the Jazz?

Nope.

SVG on his Magic.

Just goes to show how much effort and focus means on defense. Last year Orlando was a top 3 D all year long.
The biggest problem with | 4:28 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
the Jazz is Sloan's biases run amuck. He knows what the problems are and refuses to fix them by making the necessary player changes. Instead he runs up the costs pretending that continuity will fix serious talent and coaching philosophy deficiencies.

Sloan is not the only problem but it starts with him. He controls player selection. He decides who gets traded predominantly.

For starters the Jazz have to do 3 things quick. They have to trade Price (if possible) for a real PG who can replace Fish. Maynor will take 2 years to develop. Harp and Price will get you a very good PG who will fix the DWill/shooting guard problem. years.

They need to trade Boozer/Millsap for a PF who is taller and who can both defend and has offensive skills. Okur is adequate if he has a great PF and FEZ/Koufos backing him.

There is more than enough money tied up in Boozer/Millsap to get a great PF. If only Boozer goes, Millsap/Koufos are adequate back ups.

They need a wing shooter/defender (maybe Mathews).

Will the Jazz make the changes? Or will they insist on continuity?
Gazelle | 4:43 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
I do not know about the rest of you , but I read something else in Boozers comments. Boozer is the master of the hidden meaning in his statements. I might be wrong but that message sounded like he was blaming Sloan and the other players. I agree, couple more losses and this thing is going to get ugly.

There are obvious chemistry issues. And I think that is kind of sad for many reasons. There is nothing wrong with Sloan. Sloans system works !! Sloans system works with this team !! Jazz were an up and coming Team that we all were excited about. Everything was on schedule until last years injuries. Thing was, they held together pretty good considering, until Boozer started running his mouth and eventually came back to play. And as far as this season, add on what happened this summer and it is just a carry over from the mess at the end of last year. It is really a joke.

Utah Jazz Management with Boozer on the roster this team is in limbo. For the sake of the team please remove this cancer. I would hate to see things get any worse.

Cowboy Joe | 5:32 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
What a great night. THe knicks and Jazz both lost. Keep collecting the ping pong balls get two top picks and a new coach. The future has never looked brighter in Jazz land
John Wicks | 5:47 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
Memo looked like he was running in sand. Needs the bench. Koufos at least tries and can run the floor. Ak can't block shots anymore with his new weight that the Jazz insisted on. KOC has ruined my beloved team and needs the shoe today. Those uncontested layups are driving me nuttier by the day. So much for keeping an 8th seed intact. Great going Kevin.
the Mailman to Todd | 6:39 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
Surely everybody, coaches included know we need to lift the defense, starting with C and PF. So why is it when Booz and Memo have already proven - and confrimed again this season - they havent got it that Fez and Kosta still ride the pine?

Come on 6 and 14mins with DWill hurt?
We gettin killed cos we got no defense from our bigs and our 2 biggest are sittin.

This game is a good indiciation of where the Jazz are now at. Sruggle against a middle of the road teams and easily get whooped by a contender.

I reckon we win about 30 games for the season unless Sloan walks.

Bigs inside that defend!! Come on Jerry get with the program or step aside..



Get out..... | 7:20 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
...of Utah Sloan and Boozer. Heck why not get rid of Okur and AK while we're at it. You've lost it Jazz and you know it. Miller you better get some guts and make some moves otherwise the ticket sales will drop and you'll be in the red. A little harder to own a team than you thought huh?
P.S. getting rid of O'Conner before the draft this summer might be a good move, he's going really foul up your picks if you let him make the decisions.
Insanity Rules The Jazz | 7:21 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
Whatever the Millers plan to do, they better do it fast. Jazz fans are going to revolt and storm the ESA with brooms.

Clean up this mess, Greg!!!!
Miles | 7:34 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
Two Letters: C and J. Without him in the starting lineup, the Jazz are a poor team.

Last night, 0 - 10 from the 3 point line.

It is very apparent that this is CJ and Korver's team. Not Boozer and Millsap.

The sports center highlights showed Fes watching players making layups as he stood there. Who in their right mind thinks he is the answer on defense in the middle. He looks just like Boozer under the basket. More Fes? He played plenty last night and did NOTHING.

Millsap and Boozer are checked out mentally. Need to trade both of them. Oh wait, they are not tradeable with those salaries. I guess it now becomes Jerry's job to get them playing.

Dwill should have never played last night. This team is messed up and now it is being exposed every night by opposing teams.
Anonymous | 7:57 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009
"I wouldn't mind them rebounding... There weren't any rules against them rebounding."

This is the best thing I've heard from Sloan in a long time.

"I just thought Coach was trying to mix it up a little bit. I don't know... Maybe he's trying to do something different and spark the team. I have no idea... But I don't know if it worked or not..."

He's knows he's getting called out by the coach and that's the best he can do. Maybe he should become a politician with a response like that.

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