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Then again... | 12:22 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

"Foolish" is a matter of perspective, Mr. Brown.

Don Gale's commentary was spot-on. "Outrage for hire" shows such as Beck's really are dumbing-down the nation.

Amen | 1:53 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

The sad thing about it is that there are actually people out there that are so unteachable, so blind, so unreasonably certain that they know everything about these great public speakers that were maligned by Gale, that they will never see how skewed Gale's comments were, regardless of how many posts here prove him wrong.

Lee Padron | 2:23 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Jared, your frustration is understandable . . . and your intent is admirable. But, please avoid falling into the same trap Dr. Gale did. Attack the argument not the person making it.

Dr. Gale gave no reason for his implied distaste for Beck, Limbaugh, et al. He simply attacked them and the means (radio) by which they communicate.

Arguments based on such shaky ground do not move closer to truth and serve little value . . . except that Dr. Gale, even with his fallacious logic, has given so many pause for thought.

And, that is a good thing.

Lee Padron
Draper

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thanks for the "compassion" | 5:18 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Your heartfelt letter will bring a tear to Mr. Gale's eye, your concern for him is so thoughtful.

Me, I thought his letter was spot-on and all Americans should boycott the vile, negative, anti-American rantings of sore-losers Beck and Limbaugh. Why can't you and your heroes accept defeat like big boys, Mr. Brown?

Don Gale was right | 6:13 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Don Gale was accurate in what he said. Too bad so many people are so skewed in their thinking that they would buy into the garbage Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, et al, spew. They poison the public discussion, and seek to incite and destroy rather than try to bring the country together to work on its problems. The sad thing about it is that there are actually people out there that are so unteachable, so blind, so unreasonably certain that they know everything that they will never see how skewed Limbaugh's, Hannity's, Beck's, et cal., opinions were, regardless of how many posts here prove them wrong.

dave | 6:45 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Jared... You offer nothing but empty accusations. Please at least counter ONE of Mr. Gales points.

Mr Gale struck a nerve. I see people crawling out from under their tin foil hats to toss stones at him. The ironic thing is that none of these stones have any substance. This proves Mr. Gales points.

Who is ignorant? | 7:08 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Sorry, these talk show hosts aren't using intelligent discussion---it's propaganda. I'm a conservative, so I believe much of what they say, but I hate the way they say it. It simply discourages discussion, critical thinking, and compassion for others of dissenting views. Their shows are trash. I turn them on and last about 5 minutes before turning them off---and I'm a conservative!

Gale was right on. We need more intelligent and bipartisan discussion on the radio.

Doug G | 7:12 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

I imagine Gale is considered not only ignorant, but something much worse in Utahonics: IGnernt.

to 7:08 | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Thank you.

Anonymous | 8:46 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Oh, this letter is hysterical. An "an age-related phenomenon that befalls all old liberal media and news people when they either lose the ability to screen their true thoughts and motives or they come to believe that their distorted views are the actual reality and truth?" This actually describes Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh, whose audience is older, more blue collar, and have no ability to screen their thoughts and motives, and thus have distorted views. Wow, talk about hyperbole. Don Gale had it exactly right.

Joe Moe | 9:46 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Amen to 7:08.

I would add, the same goes for Rachel Maddow and similar liberal hosts. Chris Matthews is usually better, but not always.

My kingdom for a handful of Bob Schiefers, who will call out anyone of any political bent, but do so civilly, fairly, and intelligently.

jackhp | 9:46 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Ageism . . . nice!

Nothing to do with age | 9:50 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

It's just the standard paleoliberal response to truth. When you can't argue logically with a concept, all you're left with is to unfaily and dishonsetly ridicule it. Or the messenger.

That's standard Alinsky-inspired "community organizing" procedure. We used to call it mobocracy, but then it was reborn as legitimate politics, since that's what Obama is famous for.

If liberals were required to tell the truth about their plans and designs, who would buy into them?

Lies, distortion, changing the subject, and, particularly, snotty, smarmy, elitist ridicule -- that's all that's keeping their heads above water.

Truth | 11:13 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

It's important to remember that if you don't have the exact same thoughts, ideas, and opinions as all other liberals, you're incapable of independent thought. It's called liberal logic.

Demo Dave | 11:30 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

I get my political commentary from MSNBC. Sure they have an admitted liberal bias, but they don't deliberately distort the truth, and they correct themselves when they make a mistake - something the Rush O'Hannity's of the world never do.

Honest Conservatives should be embarrassed to listen to the hate-mongering lies of Hannity and Company.

and on it rolls | 11:39 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

here we go again another day of pointless accusations and counter accusations.

Hannity | 11:40 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

so interesting that no one seems to want to talk about hannity getting caught in a lie and having to "admit" to it last night on his show.

@truth | 11:51 a.m. Nov. 12, 2009

the "truth" is that if you are a conservative and do not have the facts on your side you just show false footage and lie like Hannity did.
What ever happened to Hannity doing the water boarding thing by the way? oh ya he chickened out like a true war hawk.

Beck | 12:09 p.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Beck claims that Obama has an unprecedented number 32 "czars" when in fact Gorge W Bush had 35 “Czars”. He also claims that these “Czars” are just put into place by Obama with no oversight when in fact only eight are Obama appointed unconfirmed brand new “czars”, further fifteen of the “czars” where created by previous administrations. In case you are wondering why “czars” are in quotes it is because that is not their official title but rather a term made up by the media.

more beck | 12:12 p.m. Nov. 12, 2009

On his July 31 episode Glenn Beck invited Fox News anchor Kimberly Guilfoyle onto his show to talk about the Consumer Assistance Recycle and Save Act of 2009, more commonly known as the "Cash for Clunkers" program. The program gives consumers vouchers of up to $4,500 dollars in exchange for their old "clunker" cars. The vouchers go toward the purchase of new, more fuel efficient cars. Glenn Beck said that the government will get complete access to your computer and all of your files when you log on to Cars.gov for the Cash for Clunkers program. This claim is false. Beck quoted from a security message on the site for dealers, not the site for the general public.

Rush | 12:21 p.m. Nov. 12, 2009

On the June 29 broadcast of his radio program, Rush Limbaugh said that the energy bill would require "environmental experts" to do "a survey" before people can put their homes on the market: where no such provisions in the law.

to Jared Brown | 12:50 p.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Thanks for the letter Jared.

You just proved Don Gale's point was exactly correct.

2 bits | 2:03 p.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Don Gale has a right to his opinion.

That doesn't mean I have to agree with him, or complain bitterly that he HAS that opinion if I don't agree.

The same goes for Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh. They all have a right to their opinion!

Yet so many who disagree with them seem to feel it necessary to marginalise them, denegrate them, or work to have them shut down and do anything in their power to insure people DON'T LISTEN to them.

People... It's just an OPINION!!!

Liberal logic: | 2:20 p.m. Nov. 12, 2009

1) If you expose what's wrong with a liberal rant, it means you must know that the liberal told the truth.

2) If you express conservative concernes publicly, it means your a hateful, racist, bigot.

3) You can critize a conservative's statements without actually listening to them and without regard for the context of their statement.

they are the bad guys | 3:34 p.m. Nov. 12, 2009

Rush Limbaugh flew to Afghanistan and told our troops: "Democrats want you to lose the war!"
Ever since, I have despised everything the modern American conservative movement stands for.

"Foolish" | 3:48 p.m. Nov. 12, 2009

As in voting for republicans.

@liberal logic | 7:25 p.m. Nov. 12, 2009

disprove the claim above prove they are taken out of context, oh thats right that would require the facts be on your side

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