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Utah Utes football: '08 setback to Utes doesn't add to Frogs' motivation, Patterson says
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Silly Utes | 3:33 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
The Utes just barely won Wyoming, a team BYU just beat 52-0. TCU deserves that
#4 ranking. Don't get me wrong, I give all props to the Utes for last
year, but they will lose handily this week and drop in the polls.
Utes will win... | 4:00 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
The game will be close.
Utah 24
TCU 21
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Big Green Tractor | 4:11 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Good luck Utes, I'm cheering for you. This game may be on over here in
Iraq, so I may get to watch it. Going to be by far the toughest match yet.
Let's play hard Utes, get the upset!
marv jensen | 4:13 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Cougs listen up who is ranked higher Utah or BYU??? Who has only lost one game?
Who has lost two? Who still has an outside shot at a BCS game this year on a
rebuilding year? Who has won 2 BCS games? Who won their bowl game last season?
Who lost? No matter how many times Utah beats BYU the Cougs fans will still
make the claim that the Cougs are better give it up and face reality until the
Cougs beat the Utes AND win a bowl game i think BYU fans should not post any
comments.
New Trophy Team | 4:18 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
BYU may have beat Wyoming, but the Utes actually won them. Their trophy case
must be busting at the seams.
Hmmm | 4:18 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
TCU 48 UTAH 10
RE: Silly Utes | 4:23 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
It's comments like yours that make me laugh at BYU fans. Comparative
scoring is pointless and means nothing, however is a staple in BYU fans'
arsenal when it comes to bagging on the Utes. Factors are different day in and
day out, teams have different personnel, preparation is different, etc.
It's apples and oranges week in and week out. Historically BYU has thrashed
lesser MWC foes, whereas Utah has had it's share of troubles (particularly
with Air Force and New Mexico). IF your theory of comparative scoring indicating
future results held true, it would mean BYU should consistently beat Utah. This
hasn't been the case, though. In the last ten years (And I'm picking
ten because it's a nice easy number) BYU has averaged 21 points per game in
the rivlary, whereas Utah has averaged 26.3. Outside of 2004, I would imagine
BYU probably has a higher point per game average than Utah. So comparative
scoring means nothing pal. Wins can be pretty or ugly, but they are still wins,
and losses can be close or blowouts (see all BYU losses in the last 2 years) but
they're still losses.
RE: Silly Utes | 4:26 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
So if we're going off of scores, what happens if BYU beats New Mexico by
fewer points this week than Utah did last? Does that mean Utah is the better
team? On that same note, if Utah loses by less than 31 to TCU, does that mean
they're better than BYU? Please, comparing scores is stupid and pointless.
Teams match up completely differently against each other, and week in and week
out there are so many factors playing into each game that it doesn't
provide any basis for comparison.
same story | 4:47 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
it's the same story different year... coog fans spout off every year about
how many points they beat another team by vs how many points the Utes beat
someone by... how many times does it have to be proven to you that it does not
matter.
I admit it would be nice to have some bigger wins throughout the season but you can learn different things from every game. For instance, we have learned that your coogs can not play with athletic teams with good speed. For some reason Bronco doesn't "prepare" them well enough to win those games.
The thing you may want to take notice of is that Utah is the only team in the MWC with a winning record against TCU since they joined the conference. TCU does have an amazing team this year and the Utes will have a very difficult time beating them. What does not factor into the game at all is how many points you beat Wyoming by. Utah has been in some tough tight games this year and they have won most of them - one thing they haven't done is laid down to the competition.
Go Utes!!!
I admit it would be nice to have some bigger wins throughout the season but you can learn different things from every game. For instance, we have learned that your coogs can not play with athletic teams with good speed. For some reason Bronco doesn't "prepare" them well enough to win those games.
The thing you may want to take notice of is that Utah is the only team in the MWC with a winning record against TCU since they joined the conference. TCU does have an amazing team this year and the Utes will have a very difficult time beating them. What does not factor into the game at all is how many points you beat Wyoming by. Utah has been in some tough tight games this year and they have won most of them - one thing they haven't done is laid down to the competition.
Go Utes!!!
Misleading statistic | 5:05 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Whittingham is eager to brag about his offensive line only giving up 13 sacks,
but anyone who watched the Air Force game knows that's quite misleading.
He's just whistling past the graveyard, hoping to ignore the unpleasant
reality.
The Air Force linebackers and DBs were in the Cain's face all night long; the only reason they didn't sack him more was because he either threw an incomplete pass at the last second or ran out of the pocket.
Despite the supposed great play of the O-line, this version of Utah's offense is producing far less than last year's. In 2008 Brian Johnson might have been able to engineer a last-second comeback, but this year Jordan Wynn won't.
The Air Force linebackers and DBs were in the Cain's face all night long; the only reason they didn't sack him more was because he either threw an incomplete pass at the last second or ran out of the pocket.
Despite the supposed great play of the O-line, this version of Utah's offense is producing far less than last year's. In 2008 Brian Johnson might have been able to engineer a last-second comeback, but this year Jordan Wynn won't.
Listen Up! | 5:35 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Utah is going to loose.
Utah is going to loose big!
Utah is not playing like a top 20 team. Barely winning games against conference teams.
TCU is playing like a top 4 team.
TCU has everything to play for.
So sorry runnin utes. the only place you will be running is off the field to the airplane as fast as you can. HAHAHA. I recording it to watch Utah loose big. I mean BIG!!!!!!!!
Utah is going to loose big!
Utah is not playing like a top 20 team. Barely winning games against conference teams.
TCU is playing like a top 4 team.
TCU has everything to play for.
So sorry runnin utes. the only place you will be running is off the field to the airplane as fast as you can. HAHAHA. I recording it to watch Utah loose big. I mean BIG!!!!!!!!
Listen Up! and spell right | 5:56 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
The word is spelled LOSE not LOOSE. Loose is the way your pants fit after you
lose weight.
Comparative Scoring | 6:19 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
isn't a good idea. It's hard to compare. Still,the point of doing that
is because the Utes have been winning some games like Iowa has done -- just
barely when they should win handily. Pulling out games to inferior teams is
still the mark of a pretty good team, but one that is ripe for being exposed.
This week is the test for the Utes. Are the Utes for real, or have they been
doing well against a very weak schedule? No need for trash talk. Let it play out
on the field.
Listen Up! Poor Guy... | 6:38 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Must be an uneducated Ute fan!
Cougar Fan | 6:46 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
I'm a BYU fan. I will be very surprised if Utah hangs with TCU. I think
Utah is going to get destroyed. Utah just hasn't looked good all year.
However, I completely thought Utah would be annihilated by Alabama last year and
we all know how that went. Also, Whittingham is good at preparing for big
games. We'll see what happens. If I'm surprised by Utah again
I'll give 'em props but I honestly think the U is going to get worked
over.
The BYU-UTAH game holds a lot more intrigue as both teams are good and a little more even. I of course believe BYU will win in the end.
Go Cougars!
The BYU-UTAH game holds a lot more intrigue as both teams are good and a little more even. I of course believe BYU will win in the end.
Go Cougars!
The Guild of Calamitous Intent | 6:47 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
I love how BYU fans are going off of points scored against common opponents.
Using this logic BYU would only lose to Texas buy 2 because they only beat
Oklahoma 16-13 on a neutral site.
War the 2010 UNLV Rebels football team. hope you guys can win something for once :)
War the 2010 UNLV Rebels football team. hope you guys can win something for once :)
To Listen up and spell right | 6:52 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Thank you so very much for having the initiative to correct the illiteracy I
have noted in so many of these postings. They are an embarassment to these
schools--both the University of Utan and Brigham Young University. I also note
that the writer "Listen Up" forgot either the ending apostrophe or
the letter "g" in "runnin".
Missouri BYU fan
Missouri BYU fan
the truth | 7:35 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
To all the people that say Utah is not as good as last year and Wynn is no
Johnson, no kidding. Going undefeated is a special thing, it rarely happens and
the Utes have been able to do it twice this decade. Only having one loss this
season is pretty impressive, win or lose against TCU the Utes will play hard and
compete and make no excuses if they happen to lose.
jimbo | 7:37 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Spell W....right? Get over it bookworm! TCU WILL BEATDOWNDAUTES!
WooooooooOOOOOOOO!
James | 7:38 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
TCU shall throw down on da utes. Yesssssssss!
Jimba | 7:41 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Heya if ya all kant spell dont be on this heer board! DATS WHAT SPELL WRIGHT IS
A SAYING!
Bob | 7:43 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Yes the Utes will be loose...or is it lose..whatever.
re: Misleading Statistics | 8:32 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
"In 2008 Brian Johnson might have been able to engineer a last-second
comeback, but this year Jordan Wynn won't."
Since you can see into the future, will you help me choose some lottery numbers?
Since you can see into the future, will you help me choose some lottery numbers?
BYU Fan | 8:38 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
The Utes will dominate this game!!!! GO UTES!!!!!!!
ex-byu fan | 9:15 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Why do so many people claim Utah will lose. Especially BYU fans!!!
I admire how Utah has pulled of some tough games.
Let me ask you this; Would you rather squeak by the easy games but win the big ones or destroy the easy opponents and blow it when it matters?
BYU lacks something that Utah has had for the last decade. I think BYU even has better athletes but they lack that edge they need when it counts.
I admire how Utah has pulled of some tough games.
Let me ask you this; Would you rather squeak by the easy games but win the big ones or destroy the easy opponents and blow it when it matters?
BYU lacks something that Utah has had for the last decade. I think BYU even has better athletes but they lack that edge they need when it counts.
Go TCU | 9:30 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
The Utes will look like road kill the texas football field. LOVE IT!
Coogar | 9:40 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Whittingham is a good coach. He always has his team prepared for the big games.
I don't care who wins but it should be a good game.
@ mary jensen | 10:03 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
It's ute fans like you who make me chuckle inside. It is so funny that you
talk about who is ranked ahead of who and that "Cougs fans will still make
the claim that the Cougs are better..." The fact is that BYU has had better
seasons than Utah overall. Since you seem to love using the rankings as a way to
show who is better let's see who has finished their seasons ranked in the
AP poll throughout the years.
BYU- 16 finishes in the Top 25
Utah- 4 finishes in the Top 25
Okay, I will go easy on you. We'll start from Utah's very first Top 25 finish in 1994...
BYU- 6 finishes in the Top 25 (since 1994)
Utah- 4 finishes in the Top 25 (since 1994)
So, until the utes actually prove they have so much success I think they should not post any comments.
BYU- 16 finishes in the Top 25
Utah- 4 finishes in the Top 25
Okay, I will go easy on you. We'll start from Utah's very first Top 25 finish in 1994...
BYU- 6 finishes in the Top 25 (since 1994)
Utah- 4 finishes in the Top 25 (since 1994)
So, until the utes actually prove they have so much success I think they should not post any comments.
Pathetic Frogs | 11:16 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009
Hey............the Utes have a lot of lucky going their way and we will WIN
going away this week against TCU.
All of you Utah haters are about to eat crow. We have the BEST FOOTBALL ATHL. in the MWC.
Utah 43
TCU 10
GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All of you Utah haters are about to eat crow. We have the BEST FOOTBALL ATHL. in the MWC.
Utah 43
TCU 10
GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You got it wrong | 12:55 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
There's no way that TCU puts up a score like 48 points against Utah. The
person that put "TCU 48, Utah 10." You have to remember that TCU is
playing one of the best teams in the conference and a team with very good
defense. There is no way that Utah will give up 6 or 7 TD's. The game
will be close. Utah's offense has to be able to move the ball and put up
points every opportunity they get in order to stay in the game, but I feel very
comfortable saying that TCU will also struggle moving the ball. Listen, if TCU
scored 14 points against Clemson and 20 points against Air Force, then they are
not putting up 48 against Utah. You guys completely overestimate the ability of
TCU. It's not like Utah is playing an NFL team on Saturday.
Re: mary jensen | 1:32 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
I don't care what happened 100 years ago. Right now, Utah is dominating
it.
RE: You got it wrong 12:55 | 2:42 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
You've got it right. The yewts may not give up 6 or 7 TD's, but they
will fumble the ball at least that many times to keep their average FPG
alive.
Watch how many interseptions they throw!!!!
Watch how many interseptions they throw!!!!
re: You got it wrong | 6:09 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Your probably right about TCU's offense going up against your D. Utah
traditionally has a very good defense - I wish the cougars could get some
defense that looked more reminiscent of yours. However, I don't think it
is the TCU offense that should scare you. You're going into TCU's
house with a freshman quarterback who has one start(?) under his belt.
TCU's defense is what you need to worry about. Look for the TCU D to put
up more points than your offense. I could be wrong but their D is probably as
good as any team in the nation right now.
Will Have Them Ready | 6:55 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Whittingham will have the team ready for Saturday. Unlike some coaches in the
conference Whittingham realizes that all games are not created equal. It
isn't just about commitment and execution. Some games are huge and you
better act like it!
TCU helmets on the tackling dummies, TCU jerseys with actual player numbers on the scout team and blasting music during wind sprints at the end of practice are just a few of the things Whittingham is using to communicate to his team that this one is big. By the way, I bet those wind sprints at the end of practice go until the last second allowed by the NCAA. He doesn't cut practice short for hangnails and paper cuts like some coaches. Whittingham grows them two ways, tough and tougher. That is why the Utes will be there in the 4th quarter.
I don't know who will win. I hope the Utes win. I can tell you that neither team is scoring more than 4 touchdowns and the margin of victory will be 10 points or less. Both defenses are too good for a lopsided victory either way or tons of points.
TCU helmets on the tackling dummies, TCU jerseys with actual player numbers on the scout team and blasting music during wind sprints at the end of practice are just a few of the things Whittingham is using to communicate to his team that this one is big. By the way, I bet those wind sprints at the end of practice go until the last second allowed by the NCAA. He doesn't cut practice short for hangnails and paper cuts like some coaches. Whittingham grows them two ways, tough and tougher. That is why the Utes will be there in the 4th quarter.
I don't know who will win. I hope the Utes win. I can tell you that neither team is scoring more than 4 touchdowns and the margin of victory will be 10 points or less. Both defenses are too good for a lopsided victory either way or tons of points.
Re: big green tractor | 7:16 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Where you watching it in Iraq? It's a tough call, i want the Utes to win,
but what if, a big what if, TCU runs the table and the stars align and they get
a shot at the title? What do you go with, allegiance to school, or big picture
respect?
Once Again | 8:03 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
I thought this story was about the Utes and TCU. Why so many angry posts by the
Zoobs? Slow night in Provo?
It will be fun to see | 8:07 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
how the Utes do this year against a distant second best Texas team. Go Utes
AngryBYUFan | 9:06 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
We BYU fans get angry when BYU doesn't win, because we know our team is
true! We just ... know its true.
Samurai Jack | 9:06 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
This is the week that the Utes and their fans lose some of their delusions.
It is no longer 2008 and the Utes are making a habit of struggling against mediocre teams.
TCU 37
Utah 13
It's the game in Provo that will be close.
It is no longer 2008 and the Utes are making a habit of struggling against mediocre teams.
TCU 37
Utah 13
It's the game in Provo that will be close.
re: Once Again | 9:10 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Is it really that hard to see why Cougar fans would be interested in a big game
concerning its chief rival? The connection doesn't seem that hard to make
to me. I do agree that the anger is unnecessary but those Cougar fans
suggesting that Utah is going to lose isn't what I would call angry.
Huge loss | 9:12 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
A terrible Utah offense won't be able to score, but a decent Utah defense
will slow TCU down, but just a little.
TCU 35 utah 0
Sorry Utes, it's the year of the Horned Frog!
TCU 35 utah 0
Sorry Utes, it's the year of the Horned Frog!
Zoob Fans... | 9:25 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
want a big TCU win because they want the Utes to join them in their sorrow....
misery loves company...
If the Utes win or keep it close then they will have to acknowledge that they are in deed the 3rd best team in the conference... but if the Utes get blown out then they can feel better about themselves... who has little brother syndrome???
And forget the comparative scores arguement to define how great you think your team is, thats why the games are played (weren't the zoobs declaring themselves as NC after going 1-0 this year)... the zoobs may win pretty, putting up all those points, but when they lose, it is UGLY!!!!
I'll take the ugly wins the Utes are putting up and day of the week...
If the Utes win or keep it close then they will have to acknowledge that they are in deed the 3rd best team in the conference... but if the Utes get blown out then they can feel better about themselves... who has little brother syndrome???
And forget the comparative scores arguement to define how great you think your team is, thats why the games are played (weren't the zoobs declaring themselves as NC after going 1-0 this year)... the zoobs may win pretty, putting up all those points, but when they lose, it is UGLY!!!!
I'll take the ugly wins the Utes are putting up and day of the week...
Biffula | 9:33 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
The big thing that's going to make the difference is Utah's QB
situation. That Frosh is going to be like a deer in the headlights. The TCU D
is going to shred him. TCU 24, Utah 6.
You got it wrong | 12:55 a.m. | 9:36 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
I hate to break it to you but the ute defense is not as good this year as you
think. TCU will run the ball right down your throat all night long. Then,
their defense will force your pathetic offense into multiple 3-and-outs and
start the cycle over again.
You'd better hope that your weak offensive line can give Wynn enough time to hook up with Reed on some long bombs because that is the only way you even stay in this game. Be prepared to see Cain at QB in the second half ... Wynn will be either rattled or injured.
You'd better hope that your weak offensive line can give Wynn enough time to hook up with Reed on some long bombs because that is the only way you even stay in this game. Be prepared to see Cain at QB in the second half ... Wynn will be either rattled or injured.
Mike Johnson Fallon NV | 9:37 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Let's see. Texas is 3rd and Texas Christian is 4th. I wouldn't call
that a distant second in Texas.
The only reason the commenter had TCU winning 48-10, was to predict Utah losing by more than the 31 points BYU lost to TCU at home.
I suspect it will be a close game.
If the game goes according to the script, TCU will solidify their position, getting past their last legitimate speed bump.
But, what happens if Utah wins? Utah hasn't had respect all year long, but if Utah wins, that will change.
Until the TCU game last year, Utah didn't look all that good either, barely beating teams they should have easily beat.
The only reason the commenter had TCU winning 48-10, was to predict Utah losing by more than the 31 points BYU lost to TCU at home.
I suspect it will be a close game.
If the game goes according to the script, TCU will solidify their position, getting past their last legitimate speed bump.
But, what happens if Utah wins? Utah hasn't had respect all year long, but if Utah wins, that will change.
Until the TCU game last year, Utah didn't look all that good either, barely beating teams they should have easily beat.
re: Zoob Fans.... | 9:52 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
The Scoring Comparison Analysis is not limited to BYU fans alone. Utes do it
all the time. Both school's fan base is comprised of low class individuals
that make us all look bad.
I must admit there is some truth to the misery loves company statement. I'm a cougar fan and would like some company when it comes to getting humiliated.
As for BYU being the third place team in the conference there is only one way that will be determined and that is in Utah beating BYU which will be tough. I have no doubt BYU is a very good team but for whatever reason they choke in big games - the Oklahoma game being the exception as of late. I don't think they will choke against Utah but that is just my opinion and only time will tell.
I must admit there is some truth to the misery loves company statement. I'm a cougar fan and would like some company when it comes to getting humiliated.
As for BYU being the third place team in the conference there is only one way that will be determined and that is in Utah beating BYU which will be tough. I have no doubt BYU is a very good team but for whatever reason they choke in big games - the Oklahoma game being the exception as of late. I don't think they will choke against Utah but that is just my opinion and only time will tell.
It Just Doesn't Matter | 9:54 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Whit could spend 6 months preparing for the Frogs and the Utes would still lose;
TCU is that much better.
Better team.
More motivation.
Home field.
Equal or better preparation.
Better coaching.
More experience.
Better talent across the board.
Bottom line:
the best that Utah can hope for is a moral victory
but, Utah lost to TCU by less than BYU
TCU 45
Utah 14
Better team.
More motivation.
Home field.
Equal or better preparation.
Better coaching.
More experience.
Better talent across the board.
Bottom line:
the best that Utah can hope for is a moral victory
but, Utah lost to TCU by less than BYU
TCU 45
Utah 14
BYU fans.... | 10:13 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Until BYU can do something about last year's blowout against Utah (48-24),
they really need to stop talking trash. Who cares about Colorado or New Mexico
or anyone else? Honestly BYU fans need to be quiet.
Blowout!!! | 10:38 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009
Utah is now 20 point underdog. Any ute fan who thinks Utah will win should put
bet everything. 20 points!!!! Apparantly it's not only Byu fans that think
Utah doesnt have a chance.
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The game Saturday probably won't be a blowout for TCU, but the game won't be in question by the time the fourth quarter rolls around. TCU 28, Utah 13