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Am.F. band hopes to compete at nationals

Titanious Anglesmith | 5:55 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

I am sorry, I feel for these kids, but it seems like the AF Band is always soliciting donations to travel somewhere. I think it is great that they are doing so well, especially after the loss of their teacher, but there are only so many dollars one can afford to donate. Maybe they could try fundraisers throughout the year?

Marie | 5:57 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

Please, Please, Please donate!!!! This is an amazing cause and we really have the fire to go to nationals. Any amount of money would help us, and we promise we will not let you down at nationals.

Concerned Parent | 6:14 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

It is so difficult in these times to put such a financial burden on parents. Bands of America is a money making business and they want AF there for their accounts. This should not be considered as Christmas is next month. Families need time to budget and plan. There is not some big company or rich person that will pay this...

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2009 Mellophone | 7:30 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

The AFHSMB is raising money to give 225 students the indescribable experience of watching thousands of hours of very hard work pay off in an incredibly emotional and rewarding way. Every band member walks off the field of a BOA competition with a sense of pride for their accomplishments that can't be found by any other means. (I marched 2006-2008) The band is not another fundraiser earning money, its not a company, its not a faceless entity, its 225 high school kids, families and a community banding together, bettering themselves, dreaming big, and giving back to their world through the wonderful gifts of music each student was blessed with. If we could give these kids, the next generation, these INCREDIBLE opportunities without spending a penny, it'd be done, unfortunately that's not possible, and they need OUR help. Most of these students are balancing honors and AP classes, music, family, and church, responsibilities on top of their marching. These kids are the best of the best. Please, we are not asking each family to donate 200,000, we are asking for lots of families to donate $10-$20. Together, we can make dreams come true.

parent | 7:49 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

As touching as this year has been, I agree that almost a quarter of a million dollars seems to be an outrageous amount of money for one band competition. Consider what that kind of money could do for the school itself, or charity. They just won regionals which is outstanding. Let's keep it at that and call it good. Great job to the band members and teachers. But times are tough and I don't think we need to keep putting out money for the band.

Mikaela | 8:06 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

As a band we realize this is a burden to the community but becuase our show connects to so many people, we can make them feel our emotions. We want to go to indianapolis to share our show and let so many others feel and connect to our show. We want to go for Heather.We can use all the finacial help we can get right now but we will also be sacrficing as much money as we can . We are trying to pay for as much as we can on our own but I am not sure it will be enough. Please donate and help us we wont let you down.

Anonymous | 8:24 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

I agree these are dedicated students, but $1,000.00+ each?? Just for one competition? Crazy.

There are a lot of "best of the bests" in the school (choir, drama, athletics, etc.) That is a lot of money (in addition to what has already been donated to the band this year) for a single competition. I think we all know they are talented, gifted and have had a difficult year. We appreciate their talent and hard work. But times are tough. Even without a BOA competition, this group will go down as champs.

AFHSMB Parent | 9:26 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

Mr. Miller and the band were not even planning on attending this event until this weekend. This has put a huge burden on families. Talk about peer pressure! The emotions are high enough anyway, but to add this to the hopes of our students is too much. As a parent, I am proud of the band, but this is too much pressure, too soon on our family. I wish our school had just said "no" to start with. There would have been a lot less stress at our house over the past few days. We have other children with financial needs also. We can't just keep donating and asking our family and friends to donate more money.

Anonymous | 10:05 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

I think the band is awesome and incredible. However, a quarter million dollars? How much of that goes to pay for the BOA organization. Perhaps BOA should allow them to compete with out the entry fee if BOA feels the program is so outstanding???? It will come down to a large burden to the band families that have already paid so much this year. It is not fair to spring this money request at this time of year with such short notice.

Clarinet class '05 | 10:26 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

This is a great amount of money to put forward; I don't think that anyone will deny that. I am quite aghast that there are people who will say that these kids' ambitions are only valid within $ - $ price range. It is too much to ask for a dream, an ultimate musical aspiration, and complete musical experience to be given to these kids? Who is asking for hundreds of dollars from you? No one is asking for anything more than even $1 to take them that much closer. Wouldn't you do anything if this were your child chasing a dream? These kids are more than exceptional. Aside from being honor students and student athletes as musicians/artists, many are coming from downtrodden situations and struggle with grades, family, finances, and social graces. Some don't even dare to dream for any sort of prestige beyond their high school musical career. I came from an abusive home and the band was my refuge and my place where I truly was accepted and was able to fly with the beautiful musical talents given by God.

Vision | 11:20 p.m. Nov. 9, 2009

Where there is no vision the people perish. Most of us are blind. It takes leadership and resources to build character in the individuals that make up a community. It takes leaders with vision to inspire others with hope. And yes it takes money and sacrifice to build our children. Without hope, dreams, and vision where is the motivation to build our own future? How can we inspire our children to dream, to feel success, without risking failure or making sacrifices. This is not some money making scheme. It is a simple expense for an opportunity to build hope, strengthen desires for achievement, and instill in the youth a burn to unite in a cause greater than self, rise above obstacles and tackle life with courage and fortitude.

"We can do it" Band MOM | 6:27 a.m. Nov. 10, 2009

For those that know "The greatest generation show", you know that the
color guard dress like the "We can do it" props. The women who worked
to help in the war effort -- Rivitors. I want to be the kind of mom that says
so her child.... "you can do it"!!! What is it??? A belief in themselves that they can do anything they put their minds too..... Not just about band or one musical performance.... but success at whatever their hearts desire in LIFE! Not a parent that has "broke mans mentality." I can't afford it either, but one band boy raised $1,000 dollars last night in two hours, my daughter raised $300 in one hour. If you instill hope it develops and grows. Mr. Miller is a wonderful example of a teacher that does just that!!!

Anonymous | 7:19 a.m. Nov. 10, 2009

Dreams can be achieved without going to BOA. This group of students have already traved miles and miles this year. Sure "it takes leadership and resources to build character..." but it also takes the same people to accept that enough is enough. To teach them to be realistic and responsible. It is teaching responsibility to admit it is something we cannot afford. Does an athlete have to go to the Super Bowl to acheive his dreams? No. Sure it would be nice but not possible for every athlete.
I have seen the show and it is inspiring. But the next days come and go and so does the memory of the program. It is sad for the students thats lives only hinge on the band, as some of you have suggested. They will be in for a real shock when they graduate. This year has been a dream for the students. Until Sunday, the students accepted and believed regionals was their last competition for the year and were fine with that! Really. They don't need to exhaust us all of resources to "see their dream." There are other programs at the school too that could use our support.

UNLV | 7:50 a.m. Nov. 10, 2009

If the students benefit so much personally by going to the competition, why don't the parents of each child put up the $1,000? Parents have no problem spending that much on a TV or buying their kid a car or doing a family vacation, etc. If this competition is so important for the kids, parents get your visa out and let them enjoy the experience. The kids could pay you back over the course of the year. It is the parent's of the kids responsibility to pay, not the community.

Anonymous | 8:30 a.m. Nov. 10, 2009

At the parent meeting last night...the point was brought up over and over by the band director and parents that the band is not out to get handouts. It was originally decided that they would not go onto Grand Nationals (even though there is no guarantee they would qualify until the final competition anyway). By doing this, the band was able to cut costs in half compared to other years. The last time they went to Grand Nationals...it came out of the families pockets as part of their dues. I respect Mr Miller's decision to keep the costs lower this year...he really did not want to be excluding those that could not "afford" it. The problem is that no one knew what this year was going to bring with it (bus accident, the effect of the show on people). Yes, if we had time...we could have held fundraisers or had payment plans to make it easier, but there was no way to know. There are those that are resourceful and can pull things off all the time...that is how most extraordinary things come about...this year has been extraordinary!

another band parent | 8:42 a.m. Nov. 10, 2009

While it is a burden financially that was unexpected...the events of this band season have also been unexpected. The point was made last night at the parents meeting that people are not comfortable with handouts and that we want the kids to earn their way. The problem is that there is not time to fundraise. The decision was made at the beginning of the season to not go to Grand Nationals even if they qualified. By doing that, the band could cut its normal dues by half. I really respect Mr Miller for that because his intention was to not exclude kids that couldn't afford it because of the down turn in the economy. However, no one knew what the season would bring with the accident and turning the tragedy into a triumph kind of thing. They also didn't know how well the show would be received because of its nature. Yes, it would have been nice to fundraise all year or have payment plans, but there was no way to know. Extraordinary things can be done when resourceful people come together for one purpose, and this year definately was extraordinary.

I can't believe it | 8:53 a.m. Nov. 10, 2009

Undoubtedly these are very talented kids. If this $250,000.00 were donated to a charity like the Food Bank of Utah they could turn it into $2,250,000.00 dollars worth of food to help the needy. There are almost 8% of the workforce unemployed right now. People are losing their jobs and homes. I read an article yesterday about suicide rising because of the poor economy. What will the kids remember and be known for? Going on a junket, having a good time, under the premise they did it for "fallen teacher" or for bringing hope to a family that sees none? This would be a good experience, but there are much better places to spend this money. True happiness comes when you trade what you want in the moment for what's best in the long run. The timing is not right to spend this money.

Anonymous | 9:14 a.m. Nov. 10, 2009

Give up your family Christmas gifts and Thanksgiving travels.

Anonymous | 9:17 a.m. Nov. 10, 2009

Ummm, this is a really challenging question. AF is amazing and their show deeply touched my heart. The ultimate sacrifice is giving up what one wants most. So much good can come from raising the $250,000 and spreading it out to the other marching band programs in the state which desperately need the funding as well. We need to remember that four Utah band programs made it to the BOA finals on Saturday night. Which says a lot for our state. My heart is with AF.

newslady | 10:09 a.m. Nov. 10, 2009

The AF band had done so much good for the community and for our future. Here's our chance to rally 'round.

mom | 1:04 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

I am so glad that as band parents we got to vote-I hope all put your true feelings along with your vote. To those in the community who don't get to vote on paper-it is still nice you get to vote "no" by not donating or "yes" by donating (and choosing the amount). When elementary students come by with their pie sells, walk a thons, popcorn, etc. or other organizations come by with their gift wrap, or have yard and bake sales, or I see a can on a counter at the stores I frequent, it's nice to know I can choose which ones I support and those that maybe I just can't-though I actually appreciate the chance to just donate what I can rather than have a catalog I have to choose something I really don't need at a set price. If I don't think the reason for the donation is worthy or necessary or whatever then, no money from me. My band kids work for their own band fees normally-need some yard work done? Something else? Ask a band student you donate to-bet they'll do it.

former band parent | 1:15 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

for all you naysayers if you dont want to contribute than dont. we dont have a problem with that. this wonderful school has experienced a great tragedy this year. i, for one, am cheering them on. i hope they are able to raise the money and end the year on a high note.

2005 | 2:16 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

(con't)...Because of the opportunities given to me when I was a member of the Wind Symphony and Marching Band, I went to Indianapolis, California, Las Vegas, and Washington DC. I gained confidence in myself and took my music to college where I continued to love performing and earned scholarships and merits. Had I not been shown a glimpse of how far I could go, I would not be here today. I cannot express adequately enough how grateful I am to John Miller. For his vision and inspiration to build this program for kids from all backgrounds to come together and find a family and friendships that they will keep for years. His program helped me and is now doing wonders for my younger siblings. I implore everyone to show support. If you cannot do it with donations, simply be encouraging to these kids and help them realize their worth and abilities.

Anonymous | 2:18 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

Imagine what those kids could learn from donating their money to charity or skipping the competition and challenge the community to donate to other charities in their name.

The band trip would be great. But this is a financially challenging time and those of you who say vote with your money or not, what a lame excuse for getting your child on a free (or cheap) trip. Please, let's give to those who really need it--not for a band trip. Besides, as terrible as the accident was, I feel a bit manipulated by the events to donate.

Anonymous | 2:36 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

Donate the money to a charity--within the school or in your beloved community. The band will end on an even higher note.

As I read these comments it only makes sense to me. A quarter of a million dollars could help a lot of people who are in desperate need it in these tough times. Then have a concert at the school for all to see.

Good luck | 3:03 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

I also have competed in a BOA competition. I don't think anyone is claiming that AFMB is a money-making venture. They're just saying that BOA is... and it is.

Regardless, I watched a recording of your show and you are phenomenal. Whether you end up being able to go to BOA nationals or not, you all did amazing this year and should be proud. Best of luck.

Lara Christensen | 3:31 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

I want to thank the AFHSMB for their courage, dedication and pure love for music and unity.What an inspiration you are to all. Such adversities going on around you in a world of chaos. I commend you for even believing that this can be done! Heather is my sister and we miss her every single day. We, as her family and loved ones, are cheering on in support and love as the marching band are persuing this worthy goal. Yes, economics are definatly hard right now on everyone. But, I think about Heathers kids that were on that voyage back from Pocatello a month ago today and if they are the ones that want to make this happen, why shouldn't it? this is the stuff dreams are made of. I am in full support and LOVE that my sister had such an effect on these kids. From a selfish stand point of mine. It sure brings a lot of peace to my heart to know that the heart of these 200+ kids overcomes such an event into a such a positive experience. Thank you to the staff, band kids and band parents for believeing.

AF Band Sibbling | 3:51 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

The kids in the Marching band are all family. They have gone through so much together as a family, and want to give so much back to all those who have helped them. I don't know if any of you know how much this means to them. And how much they are sacrificing them selves to make this happen. Please, they are not asking you to donate a lot. Even 1 dollar would help them out.

They don't want to do this just for them, they want to do it for Heather, for parents, for anyone who has ever watched, seen or believed in them. Believe me they are worried about what this would do to the band in the long run. Please help us out! They won't let you down!

Anonymous | 3:55 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

KSL reported that another band dropped out of the competition, which then gave AF a slot. So, as good as they are, they weren't good enough to go to this competition in the first place. They money should be spent on something more worthwhile. One photo I saw showed the baritone section with their arms around each other, praying. In a band that big, the baritones would really have nothing to do with the woodwind instructor who died. They probably hardly knew her. That photo was taken today, not soon after the accident. It seems some of the band members and families are milking this for all it's worth.

Band Dad | 4:02 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

There are a lot of comments about how the money raised could be put to better use than sending some kids on a "junket", free trip, or whatever. For those, I challenge you to go to you local band program, volunteer, and see the positive influences that the band programs have on the kids. Then give some of your time as a volunteer. This season has the potential to show the world what can be achieved, and that miracles can happen, and that dreams can come true. What is the price tag for this? For all of the naysayers, how much have you donated in time and money to the charities you talk about? I see the good that the band has done for my son and countless others. I have also donated hundreds of hours and several thousand dollars to the band program. I am not rich. I am a first year head custodian at an elementary school. That is our only income in my household. My son is my priority right now, and his music education is his. I will do what I can to help him achieve his goal to become a music teacher.

Just wondering | 4:03 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

As an outsider looking in (and a former band member from out of state) the AF Band has done more in two months that I was able to participate in during my entire band career. Our band went to a major trip every three years so that everyone could get the experience once. I tend to think that in these days, including sports, people are getting a little excessive in all endeavors. If this doesn't work out, AF can always have a bank of memories.

Anonymous | 4:07 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

I do not understand what these comments about burden on the community are about. I live in southern Indiana and I made a donation yesterday.

I marched for 5 years with North Harrison HS band in Ramsey, IN and graduated in 2007. It by far was the best thing I have ever done.

My school was not fortunate enough to compete in BOA, however I have attended the past 5 nationals. American Fork has always been one of my favorite groups to watch, and with the streak they have been on here at the end of the season I would hate to miss them this year!

I think this would be a great opportunity for these kids (especially considering all they have been through this season) to end the season with a great final statement, and I have done everything in my power to ensure it happens.

GOOD LUCK!!!

Dad | 5:14 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

I have to admit, as a band dad I was proud of their performances and ability to overcome the adversity they faced. On the other hand, I can't help feeling a bit manipulated by decisions based on emotion and a tragic event.

I was able to pay for my son but I'm sure some families don't have that same ability and it is unfair to put them on the spot financially at the last minute.

The band had a terrific year and I would hate to see it tarnished by what some would easily consider a selfish act.

shocked | 5:21 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

All i can say is "wow". to all you who are against this, wow. yeah, this is not a needed trip but if you had the chance to be in your kid's shoes and experience grand nationals, you would never even hesitate to donate a couple of dollars. selfish people.

Proud sibling/AFMB Aluma | 6:16 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

Attn Anonymous commenter posted at 3:55:

Firstly, before you go and sling mud at these student musicians & their efforts, please do some research into what is done to get to BOA Grand Nationals. The participating bands are not plucked from the nation for their winning records. It is a first-come, first-served application process by the schools wishing to participate. Saying things such as 'they weren't good enough to go to this competition in the first place' are ignorant and spiteful claims. Please, gather facts before you type/speak.

Secondly, do not belittle the bond that there is in this program. When I was in the AF band, two of our members were lost in an accident. The following year, when we went as a band to their graves to remember them, the new members who didn't even know the boys were joining in the hugging and crying and reminiscing. They expressed how they felt that they were part of something much more than just an after school activity; that they were part of a family. Heather had something for everyone, so please do not insult hers & these kids' capacity for love & dedication.

A baritone | 7:05 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

Dear Anonymous commenter posted at 3:55

I was a baritone in that section of hugs. First I don't blame you for what you said because you obviously don't know how strong the bonds are in Marching Band. I knew Heather for 5 years, and she was a great and Amazing friend, and I have friends that are woodwinds as well that knew her. So I felt for them a ton. Now in that picture, the caption wasn't entirely correct. We were just getting together as a section in case it was our last, band is like family to us. We told each other that no matter what happens, we are and will always be family. We love each other THAT much. Now funds were collected, and believe it or not about 75% came from the band themselves. We wanted to do as much as we could ourselves. A bunch of us played for money and gave up christmas. I was talking to one father who said that his son gave up christmas even though he was already paid for for someone else. He said that was not the same son as before band. Love Y'all

Proud sibling/ AFMB alumna | 8:21 p.m. Nov. 10, 2009

THEY DID IT!!! They have approval from the district and a unanimous vote for them to go from the state!!! Way to go, AF!! You are amazing and will do a wonderful job!! I will be SO PROUD no matter what place you take!

GO show them over there what these small-town American Fork kids can do!

Mtn Crest Band Mom | 12:08 a.m. Nov. 11, 2009

Good Luck AF at Grand Nationals! Mountain Crest will be rooting for you to represent our great state of Utah!

AF Baritone Mom | 2:37 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009

I understand people might be judging us without all the facts. I for one was one of the parents that could not afford this trip and thought how in the world is this going to happen but my son came home from a meeting at school inspired by his teacher and friends and was able to raise all the money for himself in one evening it all came from family a few dollars here and there the most that was given was $100 by a family member who could easily afford it but most of them donated less than $20 but it taught him that it can be done if we all work together. These kids believed it could happen and it did. My son has read these comments and has been in tears about some of them because some are so mean and hurtful. Yes it was last minute and a little crazy but if you could see the excitement and the love of these kids for this show it would warm your heart and inspire you too!You just cant put a price on it. Thank you to all the mostly positive support we have received!

Give it up | 9:54 p.m. Nov. 11, 2009

I want to go to Mexico on vacation and spend some time with my family. I can justify it all I want but right now I can't afford it, so I don't go. Wait until your kids get in the real world and realize that just because they want it, they usually won't get it unless Mom or Dad or their neighbor bails them out. You whine that a lot of the comments are mean and hurtful. The reality is they are very valid points that you don't happen to agree with. Think about what $250,000.00 would do for the truly needy in your community. Let's hope that when you get a request from the "rescue mission" or "the food bank" or "other humanitarian effort" you'll be as quick and generous to rally around the cause!

Proud sibling/AFMB Aluma | 2:47 a.m. Nov. 13, 2009

To "Give it up:"

I wasn't given free handouts or bailed-out by my parents when I was in high school. I had to pay for Marching Band, Wind Symphony, Choir, & Softball. I knew & know many students who would never have had any extracurricular experiences unless they worked to pay for them. I believe that most of these students understand that, but this is an exceptional opportunity. This wasn't premeditated. The judges, who were moved to tears, urged them to go. They are sharing the message & emotion of the show "The Greatest Generation" with those who have/are serving & those who have served before us. My younger brother & sister are marching in the name of my grandmother's brother who was shot down over Germany and held in a Nazi prison camp for three years and for her other brother who also gave so much of himself for the freedoms that YOU, me, andeveryone else in this nation are either using or abusing. As for your thought of not giving to others, I donate at least a dollar everywhere I can & donate blood on a regular basis. I think that if Karma is true, my siblings deservethis.

Anonymous | 2:50 a.m. Nov. 13, 2009

I know that the city must be tired of the band raising money all the time, but you have to remember. These kids in this band, are the children of this community. This show has shown to many the power that music has over people and how it can stir the emotions of even the hardest of hearts. I was really upset by some of the comments about Brass players not knowing this teacher in a band that size. If you think that then you honestly don't know this band. Just because she was a woodwind teacher DOES NOT mean that she didn't work with the other students. I can understand the worry with raising that amount of money in a hard economic time, but honestly, these kids deserve it. And there are people willing to help these kids to go. I'm proud of them. I never had that chance when I was in band and I'm glad these kids will be able to share this message. You may not agree with me, but they are there, and they will do their best. No use complaining about it now.

LAB Proud sister and fan of AFMB | 4:03 p.m. Nov. 14, 2009

I am a sixth generation cavemen... meaning i am in the 6th gen. of my family to go to this high school. I wasn't in the marching band, but my sister was and we were, and are still heavily involved in music.
Music teachers, and teachers in general, get paid squat to do what they do!!! Especially marching band teachers!! They put in countless hours in and especially out of the class room for their students so that these kids can become the best people they can be.
To anyone with negative comments regarding this manner, I would ask: when was the last time you were inspired to become a better version of yourself and then encouraged through your attempts to do so by a friend or caring teacher? Marching band teachers get paid about $0.50 (yes, 50 cents) an hour for their after school and summer marching band camps and work.
Please just take a second to be thankful that someone actually cares about our kids... who happen to be our future and stop thinking about how you think YOU may have been jipped.
Thanks for reading... if you're still reading, thank a music teacher!

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