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Obama welcomes AARP backing of health-care bill
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Evets | 11:37 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Marie: Who said BHO or congress cared about the constitution. They are
breaking it all the time now. They don't even care about us any longer or
else they might listen to our emails and letters etc.
This is not about health care, it is about power. If it were about health care it could be solved very quickly at a small fraction of the price and very little buraucracy.
AARP supports it because it has Medicare supplimental written into it and eliminates the enhansed care people get through private Medicare health insurance plans. That will drive people to the supplimental plans and AARP markets supplimental plans and is going to make a lot of money.
This is not about health care, it is about power. If it were about health care it could be solved very quickly at a small fraction of the price and very little buraucracy.
AARP supports it because it has Medicare supplimental written into it and eliminates the enhansed care people get through private Medicare health insurance plans. That will drive people to the supplimental plans and AARP markets supplimental plans and is going to make a lot of money.
Anonymous | 11:53 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
The last administration brought us oil wars and Utah didn't protest. This
administration wants to take care of the sick and all of a sudden Utah cares
about spending and free will. It's amazing how easily led a supposed god
fearing people can be away from christian principals.
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Bad government | 12:07 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
How dare the government provide health care for everyone! Don't they know
that if we get sick, we are supposed to die and reduce the surplus population?
All we need is another tax break for the very rich and it will trickle down to
us losers.
Dear Marie: | 12:45 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Says Marie, "Mandatory health insurance is against God’s ways... My
faith says to believe God and not man for healing..."
Marie - I'm guessing that if your doctor diagnosed you with a disease you'd refuse treatment and instead appeal solely to God for relief, right?
What, God doesn't want you to first try to do everything you can to take care of yourself before appealing for His help?
Look, you are free to kill yourself with ignorance and superstition. That's a choice you get to make for yourself - but not for the rest of us - and especially not for children who look to adults for care when they are sick or injured.
I prefer living in the real world, with real-world awareness of how dangerously and increasingly dysfunctional our current health care financing system is and with an eye on reforming it.
Marie - I'm guessing that if your doctor diagnosed you with a disease you'd refuse treatment and instead appeal solely to God for relief, right?
What, God doesn't want you to first try to do everything you can to take care of yourself before appealing for His help?
Look, you are free to kill yourself with ignorance and superstition. That's a choice you get to make for yourself - but not for the rest of us - and especially not for children who look to adults for care when they are sick or injured.
I prefer living in the real world, with real-world awareness of how dangerously and increasingly dysfunctional our current health care financing system is and with an eye on reforming it.
Anonymous | 12:51 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
You that say its unconstitutional let the bill pass and take it to court. I bet
you lose just because when as a conservative been right lately?
Fox News the network of Wealth care for billionaires. Who has the most to risk: a worker or a wealthy conservative? If there is no change in health care Rush Limbaugh won't be without insurance. He won't be denied coverage.
Fox News the network of Wealth care for billionaires. Who has the most to risk: a worker or a wealthy conservative? If there is no change in health care Rush Limbaugh won't be without insurance. He won't be denied coverage.
It's All Poltical Spin | 12:59 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Obama touts that AARP represents 40 million Americans and welcomes their
endorsement. AARP does not represent the opinions of 40 million seniors on
health care. AARP is an insurance provider/broker and they are in the business
of increasing their profits. They could care less about the welfare of all
Senior citizens. Most of their mailings me before I resigned are solicitations
to sign up for their insurance plans.
Secondly, I have a close friend who is a practicing physician. He stated to me the other day that the American Medical Association does not represent nor is spokesperson for the majority of Doctors practicing in the United States. They have their own agenda, so one needs to take very lightly their political motives in this endorsement. A Pew poll last month of over 1,300 physicians indicated that if the current version of the health care reform bill becomes law, 45% of those physicians would either quit practicing medicine or would retire from the profession. Sixty-five percent of those physicians said they opposed the proposed healthcare bill.
Secondly, I have a close friend who is a practicing physician. He stated to me the other day that the American Medical Association does not represent nor is spokesperson for the majority of Doctors practicing in the United States. They have their own agenda, so one needs to take very lightly their political motives in this endorsement. A Pew poll last month of over 1,300 physicians indicated that if the current version of the health care reform bill becomes law, 45% of those physicians would either quit practicing medicine or would retire from the profession. Sixty-five percent of those physicians said they opposed the proposed healthcare bill.
re: Marie Devine | 1:12 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Are you kidding? I think one thing that any God would say should be a basic
right of every human being is the right to receive any available care for their
health.
How dare you bring God into a discussion regarding helping human beings get the opportunity to live their life in as healthy a way as possible.
How dare you bring God into a discussion regarding helping human beings get the opportunity to live their life in as healthy a way as possible.
What???? | 1:13 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I thought this legislation was opposed by everyone in America? Especially the
elderly who are going to be sentenced to death as determined by a Death
Panel.
Could Fox News have lied to me?
Could Fox News have lied to me?
@It's All Poltical Spin | 1:25 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Ditto. My parents are in AARP solely for the supplemental Medicare policy from
them. Pure financial decision, it was the best one out there that had coverage
in their area and in the area they are hoping to move into. But they oppose the
AARP on just about every political issue.
re: It's all policital spin | 1:30 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
It's great that those 45% of doctors who are part of the problem ripping
off consumers with escalting costs can afford to just up and retire.
Unfortunately not an option for those of us dealing with exponentially increasing premiums, hospital bills and medication.
Unfortunately not an option for those of us dealing with exponentially increasing premiums, hospital bills and medication.
The problem Obama made.. | 1:35 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
was just in his proposal of this legislation. Everyone knows that if he had
1)started a war based on falsified information or 2)inserted as part of th
health bill a requirement that all Americans carry a gun with them 24-7, all of
the Republicans against the health bill would be quieted.
He should have played the distraction game like W. Start a war using non complete information so that nobody cares what you are doing at home. You could sit on your hands for 8 years and watch the country get flushed down the toilet, but Republicans would be too distracted by a good ole war to care.
He should have played the distraction game like W. Start a war using non complete information so that nobody cares what you are doing at home. You could sit on your hands for 8 years and watch the country get flushed down the toilet, but Republicans would be too distracted by a good ole war to care.
Cosmo | 1:40 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
AARP stands to make huge profits through this Death Care scam, that is why they
back it, very simple, follow the money!
Don | 2:15 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Yes, AARP is supporting the President! Look at the President Crow while 80
Percent of Seniors oppose this STUPIDITY!
Yes, watch the President lie to us that the A.M.A. is supporting the Health Care Plan, while a poll shows 86 percent of Physicans oppose this bill!
AARP is inline to make more money on this bill than even Al Gore is racking in on Global Balarney! AARP will fill in the new gap amount caused by 500 billion dollars in medicare cuts!
The House bill includes:
pg94- No private health insurance sales after 2013.
pg110-Funds Abortion.
pg111-Gov't determines what is subsidized.
pg225-Gov't OFFICIALS EXEMPTED FROM PLAN.
-Gov't verifies income but no verification for undocumented illegal aliens sucking off the plan.
pg297 2 1/2 percent tax on those who do not buy "BUEARCRAT APPROVED PLAN".
pg316- 8 percent tax on jobs
pg336- 500 Billion surcharge on small business which will cost 5.5 million jobs
General tax increase of 572 Billion dollars.
500 Billion dollar cut in medicare affecting seniors and the military.
AND SO MUCH MORE!
86 percent of Americans are happy with there insurance.
Insures 12-20 million illegals
WHY?
Yes, watch the President lie to us that the A.M.A. is supporting the Health Care Plan, while a poll shows 86 percent of Physicans oppose this bill!
AARP is inline to make more money on this bill than even Al Gore is racking in on Global Balarney! AARP will fill in the new gap amount caused by 500 billion dollars in medicare cuts!
The House bill includes:
pg94- No private health insurance sales after 2013.
pg110-Funds Abortion.
pg111-Gov't determines what is subsidized.
pg225-Gov't OFFICIALS EXEMPTED FROM PLAN.
-Gov't verifies income but no verification for undocumented illegal aliens sucking off the plan.
pg297 2 1/2 percent tax on those who do not buy "BUEARCRAT APPROVED PLAN".
pg316- 8 percent tax on jobs
pg336- 500 Billion surcharge on small business which will cost 5.5 million jobs
General tax increase of 572 Billion dollars.
500 Billion dollar cut in medicare affecting seniors and the military.
AND SO MUCH MORE!
86 percent of Americans are happy with there insurance.
Insures 12-20 million illegals
WHY?
Bob | 2:15 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I let my AARP membership expire about a year ago when I realized they were so
left-wing. An advocacy group needs to advocate for the DIRECT benefit of its
members, not their bosses favorite political cause!
They keep sending me junk mail for all the ins. they sell though, so I guess its best to send back the "business reply mail" empty so they can at least pay for postage since they don't seem to care about their members!
They keep sending me junk mail for all the ins. they sell though, so I guess its best to send back the "business reply mail" empty so they can at least pay for postage since they don't seem to care about their members!
Impossible | 2:22 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
There are much better ways reform health care than to socialize it.
Unfortunately no one will listen. Americans would rather stand around in
shackles with their hands held out. There is no such thing as free health care.
Someone will have to foot the bill. What will happen after those who foot the
bill have been milked dry? Socialized medicine will not work period. Anyone
that has the ability of rational thought can see this. Health care costs WILL
rise under government control. Anyone who says any differently is lying.
Someone is going to have to pay. Who is going to carry the burden? Please one
of you Dems tell me how this will work. What a train wreck.
The Rock | 2:30 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Let the resignations begin...
I refused to join when they sent me an invitation because they are so far to the left.
I refused to join when they sent me an invitation because they are so far to the left.
Anonymous | 2:36 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Throw in "legals" remember how Jews helped German conservatives gain
power in Germany.
We could all be issued government ID to carry to prove we are Americans.
We could all be issued government ID to carry to prove we are Americans.
I see! | 2:39 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I see the nutjobs are out again.
Theft is not charity. | 2:51 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I'll pay for my medical bills, you pay for yours.
Theft is not charity.
Theft is not charity.
Hey Don, | 3:02 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
It's good to know there are sensible people out there like you and others
on this post. I get sick to my stomach when I hear about Hussein and his
socialist ideas. The maddening part is that there are millions supporting him
who don't understand that SOCIALISM IS NOT THE ANSWER to healthcare or a
poor economy.
awh | 3:04 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I am letting my AARP membership expire. They do not voice my opinion!!!
Anonymous | 3:10 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
AMEN to "Theft is not charity"
Couldn't have been said better!
Couldn't have been said better!
To I see! | 3:30 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Yes, I see you are out again.
Dixie Dan | 3:50 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Where is the outrage over Bush cutting MedAdvantage contribution 4.5% in 2008
that has resulted in a 73% rate increase in 2010? We need health care or do the
conservatives which to keep in place a system that causes 66% of the personal
bankruptcies in the state?
Conspiracy Theories | 4:19 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
First the national media, then those crazy scientists who prove Global Warming
exists, and now the AARP!
It appears that eveyone is becoming a "liberal left wing nut!"
Republicans are hilarious! Just turn Rush back on and continue to pretend George W. Bush was a great President!
It appears that eveyone is becoming a "liberal left wing nut!"
Republicans are hilarious! Just turn Rush back on and continue to pretend George W. Bush was a great President!
DEFEAT OBAMA | 4:31 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
If Obama wins America loses. If Obama loses America wins. It's really that
simple.
Jess | 4:33 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I'm going to cancel my membership in AARP. They certainly don't
represent me or my opinion.
Z | 4:36 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Of course, anyone can claim anything in these forums, so take what I say here
with a necessary grain of salt. However, I have opportunity to work directly
with the executive staff at AARP in a business relationship, and I can tell you
firsthand, this is a wildly left-leaning organization. They represent and
understand their membership about as well as Barbara Boxer represents the
typical middle-class American.
Chris B. | 4:43 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
GOOGLE: Morning Bell Obama Middle Class tax hike and read what both Treasury
Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Larry Summers
said about Obama's PROMISE not to raise taxes.
Obama promised "Not one dime," increase for anyone who makes less than 250K. We are about to see that's a lie.
And why is congress EXEMPT from Obamacare? It should be required of them first and foremost if its required of us. Classic "do what I say, not what I do" from liberals.
Obama promised "Not one dime," increase for anyone who makes less than 250K. We are about to see that's a lie.
And why is congress EXEMPT from Obamacare? It should be required of them first and foremost if its required of us. Classic "do what I say, not what I do" from liberals.
Anonymous | 4:45 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I'm still waiting for my swine flu vaccine and I think I already had this
flu...I don't want to be dead while I am waiting for treatment from the
government! AARP is a liberal organization.
Anonymous | 4:54 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
TRUE STORY - Niki Tsongas(D) MA
CONSTITUENT: My question to you, Congresswoman Tsongas, is that if this is such a great plan, why did you opt out of it when you took the vote [loud applause, standing ovation]?
TSONGAS: People often say why don’t the American people have what those of us in Congress have. [Audience erupts] Let me explain what I have. Let me explain what I have. What I have is a tremendous array – you know, last year when I went to a discussion – what I have is a tremendous array of choices. And I made a choice based on what I was willing to pay for and what made sense in terms of coverage for me and my family. [Audience shouts out: "We want choice! We want choice!]
If Congress can CHOOSE to get on obamacare(which they AREN'T for good reason), why can't we?
CONSTITUENT: My question to you, Congresswoman Tsongas, is that if this is such a great plan, why did you opt out of it when you took the vote [loud applause, standing ovation]?
TSONGAS: People often say why don’t the American people have what those of us in Congress have. [Audience erupts] Let me explain what I have. Let me explain what I have. What I have is a tremendous array – you know, last year when I went to a discussion – what I have is a tremendous array of choices. And I made a choice based on what I was willing to pay for and what made sense in terms of coverage for me and my family. [Audience shouts out: "We want choice! We want choice!]
If Congress can CHOOSE to get on obamacare(which they AREN'T for good reason), why can't we?
Anonymous | 4:58 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
“If you’re a family that’s making $250,000 a year or less, you
will see no increase in your taxes. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax,
not your personal gains tax, not any of your taxes.” But now President
Hussein Obama is finding that keeping the promises made by candidate Obama is
next to impossible. You just can’t borrow a trillion dollars for an
economic stimulus, enact a new trillion dollar health care entitlement, and
increase discretionary spending by 12% through 2019 (including doubling federal
education spending) and then expect to pay for it all by taxing the most
productive Americans. Eventually the moment comes when reality catches up to
campaigning . That moment is fast approaching.
Socialism | 5:40 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
We need to get rid of socialist public education too! All those kids who
can't afford to educate themselves can just lie and steal and then rot in
prison. Then we can spend even more money to incarcerate them. Oh wait that
doesn't work!
Hm.. I wonder if an analogy to healthcare could be made here?
Hm.. I wonder if an analogy to healthcare could be made here?
Bruce | 6:18 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
The Republican party has a serious image problem. I associate the GOP with Rush
Limbaugh and Glen Beck. I am liberal on social issues and conservative when it
comes to government spending. I would never consider associating with the
modern Republican party because I view it as extremist and out of touch.
Brian | 6:45 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
If these clowns had any real courage we would see some tort reform in the
package.
Mike | 7:29 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
The AARP support for this stupid health care bill goes against the wishes of
most of the 40 million members of AARP. AARP now has only 39,998 members. My
wife and I are out. They certainly don't represent us.
Why doesn't the bill address the huge problem of attorneys filing frivolous malpractice suits? That's what drives health care costs. The whole idea of government run health care is ridiculous. The government can't even run the government. And Obama is the most ridiculous president ever elected.
He can't speak without a written speech and he can't govern without czars. He spends so much of our tax dollars traveling that if he'd stick around Washington for a week he could eliminate the national debt and he might get something done.
Why doesn't the bill address the huge problem of attorneys filing frivolous malpractice suits? That's what drives health care costs. The whole idea of government run health care is ridiculous. The government can't even run the government. And Obama is the most ridiculous president ever elected.
He can't speak without a written speech and he can't govern without czars. He spends so much of our tax dollars traveling that if he'd stick around Washington for a week he could eliminate the national debt and he might get something done.
MD | 7:38 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
THIS DOCTOR ISN'T STANDING WITH THAT JOKE OF A PRESIDENT NOR HIS HEALTH
CARE OVERHAUL.
Words are Cheap, | 8:24 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
You know there's nothing that says we have to stand this lack of respect
and representation. Remember the tea parties? How about a nation-wide walk out,
where everyone walks off the job for 10 mins. When people loss money they pay
attention.
Anonymous | 9:14 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Insurance Audits
A significant portion of health insurance premiums go not for actual medical care but for private jets, generous CEO salaries and underwriters who decide when to drop patients who become too expensive, according to audits done at insurance companies.
A significant portion of health insurance premiums go not for actual medical care but for private jets, generous CEO salaries and underwriters who decide when to drop patients who become too expensive, according to audits done at insurance companies.
Re; Anonymous | 11:49 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Baloney! If all the insurance co. CEO bonuses, salaries and perks were added up
it wouldn't make any differnce on your insurance premiums! If you
don't like insurance companies, don't buy their policies! Try opting
out of goverment programs! You are stuck with no way out!
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Mandatory health insurance is against God’s ways. "LP Beria, Psycho-Politics AnAddress on Health Care and Control" at Lenin University for American students said the only thing that could stop CONTROL OF THE PEOPLE through Health Care was faith healing and it must be discredited and wiped out.
The Health Care Reform is only one problem the nation is fighting; we have a major financial crisis, energy crisis, pollution of our air, land, water and food, disease, wars and immigration. Turing to a garden paradise lifestyle solves them all.
Mandatory health insurance would require a staff like the Internal Revenue Service, salaries, insurances and retirement plans and increases our other problems. Corruption is easier with each layer of personnel. Speack out against it.
My faith says to believe God and not man for healing; I have seen God heal what doctors say is impossible. Congress cannot force me to go against my religion. That is in the Constitution.