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BYU football: Black 14 game lives in BYU memories
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;Baby boomer | 9:33 p.m. Nov. 4, 2009
Great story - again, the clarity of years bring a great perspective to things.
And the more things change,.....
Great article | 10:03 p.m. Nov. 4, 2009
These sorts of stories make the sports section far more interesting. I
appreciate the historical lesson on sports in previous times.
Wow | 10:37 p.m. Nov. 4, 2009
What a stunning failure by Wyoming's coach. If you can't support your
players in that kind of situation you don't deserve to coach, period.
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KISS THE BABY... | 12:04 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Kittens, ...enjoy the new mexico bowl...hahaha!!
Go Utes!!!!!!!!!!
Go Utes!!!!!!!!!!
Inappropriate | 5:57 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
It's an event that would better be forgotten. I remember the game and the
constant attacks on BYU. It is unfair to bring religious disputes onto the
playing field and that's what the Cowboy players were trying to do. The
Wyoming coach was very couragous to do what he did. At New Mexico they
didn't have the same amount of integrity and the players wore the armbands.
However, at least one of the protestors at New Mexico is now a Mormon, and an
institute instructor at that.
I think the Wyoming crowd is now resurrecting this incident for no other reason than to stoke the fires of religious bigotry in order to try and beat BYU this Saturday. Shame on them.
I think the Wyoming crowd is now resurrecting this incident for no other reason than to stoke the fires of religious bigotry in order to try and beat BYU this Saturday. Shame on them.
misguided hatred | 6:32 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Segregated congregations were typical across America in 1969 except for one
church...the LDS Church. Detractors of the church used the priesthood issue to
encourage hatred. Ironically, any member of any nation or race could sit in an
LDS church and worship or even be baptized into the church if they chose. And it
was practically the only christian church that would allow that in 1969!
I propose that the "Black 14" didn't have all their issues straight. This article didn't do anything to encourage that either. It's complete arrogance or ignorance to think there is only one side to this story.
I propose that the "Black 14" didn't have all their issues straight. This article didn't do anything to encourage that either. It's complete arrogance or ignorance to think there is only one side to this story.
daveescaped | 6:41 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Great story. Thanks!
strange | 6:58 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
So President Obama can attend a racist church for twenty years and nobody cares.
But 40 years later people are still offended by this priesthood issue.
Interesting to watch selective hatred practiced.
re:kiss the baby | 7:04 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I guess you haven't noticed your utes aren't really world beaters this
year either. Not sure you have to much to gloat about. Oh you do, all the teams
you've beat this year have losing records. Hey way to go...now I
understand why you're trash talking.
Good luck with your QB this week...whoever it is.
Good luck with your QB this week...whoever it is.
Great Story? | 7:21 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
It was 40 years ago! What is the point in even mentioning this now? Some people
need to move on in their lives. What could possibly be accomplished by bringing
this up now?
re: Kiss the baby... | 7:36 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Enjoy ending the season with two straight blowout losses, Ute-ie.
Anonymous | 7:43 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
re: Inappropriate
so when is protesting for change "appropriate"? Chip on your shoulder much?
Besides considering some of the things that have happened in Laramie for this game an armband is inappropriate? really
so when is protesting for change "appropriate"? Chip on your shoulder much?
Besides considering some of the things that have happened in Laramie for this game an armband is inappropriate? really
YtxPat | 7:44 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
The Wyoming coach was correct in his actions. The football field is not a place
for political protests or expressions of someones beliefs. The field is a where
a game is played. It is unfortunate that the lives of those players were so
dramaticaly affected. I was a member of the Cowboy Joe Club and I am LDS and a
BYU alum and remember the game well. Followed by the Colorado State protest.
Having lived in Wyoming, I know that was a hard game for the Y players to visit as the fans can be rough. I had a parking pass inside the Cowboy Joe parking area with BYU stickers on my van and paid the price.
The real story hear is the lack of tolerance of others beliefs and the correct procedure to attempt change in others actions.
Having lived in Wyoming, I know that was a hard game for the Y players to visit as the fans can be rough. I had a parking pass inside the Cowboy Joe parking area with BYU stickers on my van and paid the price.
The real story hear is the lack of tolerance of others beliefs and the correct procedure to attempt change in others actions.
Head in the sand | 7:49 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
"It's an event that would better be forgotten."
So I guess if we don't talk about it, it never happened.
So I guess if we don't talk about it, it never happened.
Say what? | 7:57 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
"“There’s no prejudice here,” Floyd Millet, then BYU
athletic director, said. He said the school did not actively scout
African-American athletes, but that it was accepting of all students."
Not actively scouting students of a certain race. Uh, isn't that racism?
Not actively scouting students of a certain race. Uh, isn't that racism?
Re; Say what? | 8:48 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I dunno. Is is racist when predominantly black colleges such as Grambling do
it?
If you answered no, then it's not racist.
If you answered no, then it's not racist.
Hats Off | 9:34 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
It's too easy to view this event from a 21st century perspective. These 14
players made a courageous decision and paid a tremendous price, as did the
Wyoming football program.
Football, after all, is a game. Dealing with racial prejudice on a daily basis is much, much bigger.
Football, after all, is a game. Dealing with racial prejudice on a daily basis is much, much bigger.
Anonymous | 9:42 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
not that is is an excuse, but there were very few colleges recruiting the black
athlete. So many of us now, look back and try to re-evaluate history according
to our standards/beliefs of today. It is is in the past, get over it, learn
from it. There is nothing we can do to change it, nor what happened.
Cougarf@n | 10:12 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
It seems kind of ridiculous that the players were kicked out of school rather
than just suspended for a game. You would think somewhere along the way the
school would have reached out to the "Black 14" students at least in
the form of an honarary degree, official apology, scholarship offer or something
along those lines. Not that men in their 60's are now going to need a
college education, but they still could have done something to remedy the
situation in the mid-70's or even 80's.
Although, since this was before I was born, I pretend to know the rest of the story regarding the incident. The school may have had its reasons.
Although, since this was before I was born, I pretend to know the rest of the story regarding the incident. The school may have had its reasons.
Bigotry is wrong | 10:15 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Bigotry and descrimination is wrong. Groups who practice this behavior will be
criticized. The LDS Church was and is not being persecuted- it was and is being
criticized for immoral behavior. Own your actions.
40 years ago it was descrimination towards blacks. Today it is descrimination towards gays. Who will be descriminated against 40 years from now?
I am sure the people who ask why the D News is running a story about BYU football from 40 years ago enjoyed the articles about BYU football from 25 years ago.
40 years ago it was descrimination towards blacks. Today it is descrimination towards gays. Who will be descriminated against 40 years from now?
I am sure the people who ask why the D News is running a story about BYU football from 40 years ago enjoyed the articles about BYU football from 25 years ago.
interesting | 10:19 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
""And the ramifications of the "Black 14" incident have
since resonated for decades.""
if it was so important and still has ramifications today then how come most people have never heard of this incident ?
Who else wants to stir the old & dead mormons are racists pot instead of addressing current the social problems of our nation.
if it was so important and still has ramifications today then how come most people have never heard of this incident ?
Who else wants to stir the old & dead mormons are racists pot instead of addressing current the social problems of our nation.
WISS | 10:29 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
BYU fans are hypocritical. They want every event that paints the church in a
negative light to be forgotten and swept under the rug and only want what they
feel as persecution against their own faith to rally the brethren. If the
institution that you represent, as BYU football does, is involved in doctrine
that marginalizes a group of people based on the color of their skin, it is
absolutely appropriate to protest the representatives, even on the football
field. Remember the good and bad of the church (football team)and you will find
yourself a better person (fan)for it.
Anonymous | 10:32 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
It's sad that the 14 made a poor choice and had to suffer harsh
consequences from it.
But football is a dictatorship with the coach being the dictator. Violating team rules can bring down his wrath. They should have protested in a different way separate from the game. But many people especially younger adults done fully realize the consequesces of their actions.
How can some people in Wyoming blame BYU? The ones who do are showing there religous bigotry more than anything else.
But football is a dictatorship with the coach being the dictator. Violating team rules can bring down his wrath. They should have protested in a different way separate from the game. But many people especially younger adults done fully realize the consequesces of their actions.
How can some people in Wyoming blame BYU? The ones who do are showing there religous bigotry more than anything else.
Wyo observer | 10:44 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
It's interesting to see so many defensive comments on here. Racism still
exists whether we want to acknowledge it or not. I think the story and the
recent analysis of the situation has been very measured. The focus has been on
the repercussions of the event - not on judging the individual actions. It is
hard to judge coach Eaton by today's standards. However, it doesn't
mean he was right. It takes a lot of courage to stand up against social norms,
and the Black 14 were courageous. How many people would sacrifice their careers
for a such a social injustice these days? Not many. That's the real
story.
UW is a better place because of the Black 14. And I'm sure BYU and the Church of Latter Day Saints is as well. Sometimes it takes a singular event to tip the scales in favor of justice.
UW is a better place because of the Black 14. And I'm sure BYU and the Church of Latter Day Saints is as well. Sometimes it takes a singular event to tip the scales in favor of justice.
re: say what? | 10:45 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
"I dunno. Is is racist when predominantly black colleges such as Grambling
do it?
If you answered no, then it's not racist."
And if I answered yes?
If you answered no, then it's not racist."
And if I answered yes?
If I don't agree with you | 10:46 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
That makes me a bigot? Easy to label that which you don't agree with let
alone understand.
A very interesting article | 10:48 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I was at the BYU vs CSU basketball game —when the blacks came onto the
floor to protest the LDS church - they were not all students and none were from
the CSU team. I was a BYU student that traveled with the Cougar Cheer
Leaders.
It took a while for the police and CSU security to clear the floor so the game could continue.
The next day BYU went to WYO and there was lots of security & police at the game — inside & outside. They were not going to let what happened at CSU happen in Laramie. I remember that there were Cowboys [security people] standing outside with axe handles.
I hope that there are not any crazy incidents this Saturday by some people who want to stir up old anti BYU/LDS opinions.
It took a while for the police and CSU security to clear the floor so the game could continue.
The next day BYU went to WYO and there was lots of security & police at the game — inside & outside. They were not going to let what happened at CSU happen in Laramie. I remember that there were Cowboys [security people] standing outside with axe handles.
I hope that there are not any crazy incidents this Saturday by some people who want to stir up old anti BYU/LDS opinions.
To Anonymous | 10:51 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Your comment "very few colleges recruiting the black athlete" is
wrong, the PAC10 and Big10 and lots of northern schools were recruiting black
athletes at this time. For example, Jesse Owens went to Ohio State in the 1920s,
Jim Brown to Syracuse in the 1950s, Wilt Chamberlin to Kansas in 1950s and Bill
Russell to USF in 1950s. Your Y and the southern colleges were not recruiting
blacks during this time
This article teaches me... | 10:52 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Dont mess with BYU. period. Or you too will have losing seasons as well if you
rise up against us like Wyoming.
A Proud Mormon Wyoming Graduate | 11:13 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Whenever we try to place the events of a different era within the context of
this era, we tend to misrepresent the feelings that existed in that time.
The fact that this could not and would not happen today is a testament to how far we have come as a society.
It is also reminiscent of how strongly some feel about the issues we face today.
As a Mormon who lived in Laramie for a number of years, it is interesting that this is brought up this year. I never heard about it when I lived there, and I am young enough that my memory of it at the time is a bit fuzzy.
The Wyomingites do dislike BYU, but in my experience, the tales of mistreatment of BYU fans and players at Wyoming are quite a bit overstated.
A Proud Mormon Wyoming Graduate.
The fact that this could not and would not happen today is a testament to how far we have come as a society.
It is also reminiscent of how strongly some feel about the issues we face today.
As a Mormon who lived in Laramie for a number of years, it is interesting that this is brought up this year. I never heard about it when I lived there, and I am young enough that my memory of it at the time is a bit fuzzy.
The Wyomingites do dislike BYU, but in my experience, the tales of mistreatment of BYU fans and players at Wyoming are quite a bit overstated.
A Proud Mormon Wyoming Graduate.
To Say what | 11:44 a.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Grambling has a hard time recruiting whites similar to the Y having a hard time
recruiting blacks so it is not racist of either school. It is hard to get a
White LDS to go go Grambling as it is hard for a Black inner city kid to come to
the Y.
Monsieur le prof | 12:06 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
The story didn't mention that the players were kicked out of school,
merely off the team. I suppose they had to drop out because they were off
scholarship, or that they wanted to play elsewhere, or that they weren't as
interested in an education as they were playing football.
They made their choice knowing the consequences, so they certainly weren't victims.
They made their choice knowing the consequences, so they certainly weren't victims.
Cowboy Fan | 12:38 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Monsieur le prof: Before propagating hateful presumptions you should research
the facts. Something as simple as wikipedia can easily fill in your gaps of
knowledge.
A recent interview in the Laramie Boomerang with a member of the Black 14 dispels any myths that this was a matter of "team" principle with Coach Eaton. From the Boomerang:
Hamilton doesn’t think it was all about Cowboy football. He remembers that two years prior to the “Black 14”, what Eaton said when Hamilton asked for permission to marry.
“His boss, Red Jacoby, said ‘Go forth, it’ll be good for you; you’ll settle down.’ In the same day, 20 minutes later I’m in front of Lloyd Eaton at his office and he says ‘There’s no way in hell that I’m going to let you marry a white girl on the people of Wyoming’s money,’” Hamilton said. “That incident alone proved to me what kind of a man Mr. Eaton was.”
A recent interview in the Laramie Boomerang with a member of the Black 14 dispels any myths that this was a matter of "team" principle with Coach Eaton. From the Boomerang:
Hamilton doesn’t think it was all about Cowboy football. He remembers that two years prior to the “Black 14”, what Eaton said when Hamilton asked for permission to marry.
“His boss, Red Jacoby, said ‘Go forth, it’ll be good for you; you’ll settle down.’ In the same day, 20 minutes later I’m in front of Lloyd Eaton at his office and he says ‘There’s no way in hell that I’m going to let you marry a white girl on the people of Wyoming’s money,’” Hamilton said. “That incident alone proved to me what kind of a man Mr. Eaton was.”
Re: misguided hatred | 12:38 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I thought this was a very insightful article and I enjoyed reading it. Nowhere
in this article was there an attempt to smear the LDS church. Stop being so
thin-skinned people. I am LDS and did not feel threatened at all about this. The
author did give both sides. I think the 14 kids did a courageous, if not
misguided, act (like Lyons said, a lot of the players weren't even LDS).
Eaton over-reacted, especially considering the weak punishments (i.e. Urban
Meyer and the eye gouging incident) that are given today.
I did not know this story, but am glad the author talked about to remind people about an important era of our national history.
I did not know this story, but am glad the author talked about to remind people about an important era of our national history.
wyonative | 1:44 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I was attending Wyo at the time this took place living in the dorm. It was an
unbelievable time for everyone and one that will never be forgotten by those who
were in any way affected. I am LDS and a dedicated Wyoming fan but I will say
discrimation went both ways on that campus from then on. In order to attend
institue or go to church we had to walk between those same "Black
Fourteen" and many other students who were picketing the Institute
building. I remember my father calling me and advising my to stay in the dorm
and not go to Church for a few weeks. Those of us who were LDS on campus were
given a hard time. There are two sides to every story. I felt Eton did the
right thing at the time---looking back, it is a much tougher decision.
Cam Caldwell | 1:50 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
I was BYU Student Body Vice President at the time and attended the game with
members of the BYU band who traveled to Laramie. I spoke to the Wyoming Student
Senate that met just before the game.
I then returned to BYU and was invited to be one of two student leaders participating in a university administration review of the incident. Ernest L. Wilkinson proposed to the group to ignore the incident. Everyone was quiet. I raised my hand and said, "Excuse me, President Wilkinson, but this is a problem that will not go away."
I later was assigned to work with David B. Haight (who later was appointed an apostle) to help develop the university's response to this issue.
I then returned to BYU and was invited to be one of two student leaders participating in a university administration review of the incident. Ernest L. Wilkinson proposed to the group to ignore the incident. Everyone was quiet. I raised my hand and said, "Excuse me, President Wilkinson, but this is a problem that will not go away."
I later was assigned to work with David B. Haight (who later was appointed an apostle) to help develop the university's response to this issue.
TB | 2:03 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
And I thought Mr. Lyon was a goofball just from listening to him as a color
commentator. Hearing him say that the situation was "kind of comical"
confirms my opinion. Of course this was not just about football. It was a
statement as to how these young men felt about a church I happen to belong to.
All the apologists in the church can't re-write history. Live with it, deal
with it. Show respect for the courage that was demonstrated. And reflect on your
own feelings about other people including those who are of different races and
religious persuasions. I thought the article was very fair, perhaps too fair
towards the church and BYU. If folks think there is/was no bigotry, hypocrisy
and arrogance in our ranks, they are deceiving themselves.
Bigotry and Racism | 2:20 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Bigotry and Racism are equally distasteful. I don't understand why people
are showing bigotry toward a religious group because it was racist. Kettle
calling the pot black? (no pun intended)
RE: TB | 2:58 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
And I thought most people who comment about DNews articles are actually stupid.
Reading your comments about Marc Lyons (note, there is not a Mr. Lyon who is a
color commentator for BYU football) confirms my opinion. He is the best color
commentator for football I've ever heard. Furthermore, he was not talking
about the whole situation of the protest that day in Laramie as being "kind
of comical", but rather of the girl who could not spell but still had her
poster out there.
Utah Man | 3:29 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
This was a great article, and very much worth my time. Although I was born in
the 80's, I do have an opinion. The "Black 14" should be
commended on their courageous actions. Standing up for what they believe during
a very difficult and tumultous time in our country's history. I am of the
LDS faith, a University of Utah graduate, and I see no harm in what their
actions.
Shame on the University of Wyoming football coach for throwing these kids off the team. Clearly he only cared for their athletic prowess and not their personal well being. Shame on the University of Wyoming as a whole for throwing them out of school. What good does that accomplish. I would hope they would right the wrongs of the "Black 14."
And Wyoming being down ever since has nothing to do with this. It has everything to do with the fact that it is very hard to recruit to Laramie, WY. The landscape of college sports is not what it was in the late 60's.
I hope we can all learn a lesson from this and it show har far our country really has come.
Shame on the University of Wyoming football coach for throwing these kids off the team. Clearly he only cared for their athletic prowess and not their personal well being. Shame on the University of Wyoming as a whole for throwing them out of school. What good does that accomplish. I would hope they would right the wrongs of the "Black 14."
And Wyoming being down ever since has nothing to do with this. It has everything to do with the fact that it is very hard to recruit to Laramie, WY. The landscape of college sports is not what it was in the late 60's.
I hope we can all learn a lesson from this and it show har far our country really has come.
TB | 3:47 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
RE: TB: Read the whole quote. In terms of calling me stupid? You also commented
on the article, with no obvious insight aside from what a great commentator Marc
LYONS is. You must have a radio that picks up only one station- KSL if you think
he is the best color commentator in football. Paragraph breaks inserted by a
writer do not mean the quote is not one cohesive thought. He is a goofball, you
are a goofball and quite obviously a BYU homer/apologist. In terms of
intellectual capacity, it's obvious you didn't think anything more
about the article than "poor us, we BYU fans are so persecuted and picked
on" Typical. If you think I'm stupid, I'll take it as a
complement.
Anonymous | 3:50 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
"After playing in the 1968 Sugar Bowl, Wyoming didn't play in another
bowl game until 1987."
WRONG. Wyoming played in the 1976 Fiesta Bowl, losing to Oklahoma 41-7.
WRONG. Wyoming played in the 1976 Fiesta Bowl, losing to Oklahoma 41-7.
SoCalCougar | 3:59 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
Sadly, what is missing from this article is the fact that coach Eaton was
willing to meet with the 14 players individually to discuss their re-admittance
to the team, only to be told by their NAACP Attorney, William Waterman,
"There will be no such meeting". Essentially, the NAACP sacrificed
these football players careers for their own selfish motives. Coach Eaton
thought the players had been told of the proposed meeting, only to learn LATER,
that their own NAACP Attorney had never even informed them of the offer!
"...to this day, I believe that if the black fourteen had been permitted to discuss their needs and desires and their future with Coach Eaton and other members of the coaching staff on November 10, 1969, the whole matter would have been resolved favorably to all concerned. If the fourteen had been left in the dark about the settlement meetings, what could have been the motive for such a decision?"
(Quote from: "The Black 14: Williams v. Eaton A Personal Recollection" by James E. Barrett)
"...to this day, I believe that if the black fourteen had been permitted to discuss their needs and desires and their future with Coach Eaton and other members of the coaching staff on November 10, 1969, the whole matter would have been resolved favorably to all concerned. If the fourteen had been left in the dark about the settlement meetings, what could have been the motive for such a decision?"
(Quote from: "The Black 14: Williams v. Eaton A Personal Recollection" by James E. Barrett)
BYU, not | 5:28 p.m. Nov. 5, 2009
From reading the article I would say the title is wrong. It is really Wyoming
that is regurgitating this incident. The quotes from BYU folks (including Marc
Lyons) seem to have been solicited in response to the seminar held at Wyo. It
really doesn't make much sense to hold such a seminar during the week
preceding the BYU-Wyo football game unless they are trying to have some
influence on the outcome.
However, such a conclusion doesn't really make much sense. Cowboy fans are rude and violent enough when BYU comes to town.
However, such a conclusion doesn't really make much sense. Cowboy fans are rude and violent enough when BYU comes to town.
Anonymous | 2:37 a.m. Nov. 6, 2009
Actual, it was the football season of 1968, BYU vs. San Jose St., where the
first incident occurred with regards to racial response. The Black football
players did not suit-up for the game. Some of the San Jose St players wore black
arm bands.
The San Jose St. student-body protested by not attending the game. About the only folks in the stands at game time were the families of the players. Friday night before the game, there was a bomb scare at the hotel where the BYU team occupied.
Only bring this up for historical purposes.
The San Jose St. student-body protested by not attending the game. About the only folks in the stands at game time were the families of the players. Friday night before the game, there was a bomb scare at the hotel where the BYU team occupied.
Only bring this up for historical purposes.
Own it, Brothers and Sisters | 5:12 a.m. Nov. 6, 2009
The Church was not a trailblazer when it came to civil rights. We has every
opportunity to stand by our Black brothers and sisters who were fighting for
civil rights (a cause that history has shown to be just and true), and we as a
Church and as a people squandered that opportunity. Don't be surprised or
offended by criticism that is accurate. Let's instead follow the prophetic
counsel of President Hinckley and make sure that we fight with all of our might
against racial prejudice, and commit to be a true friend to all.
Anonymous | 7:26 a.m. Nov. 6, 2009
Arguing with Mormons is a huge waste of time. They will justify anything.
MattMo | 7:59 a.m. Nov. 6, 2009
Can't we all just get along.
Kyle | 8:29 a.m. Nov. 6, 2009
Inappropriate said "It is unfair to bring religious disputes onto the
playing field and that's what the Cowboy players were trying to
do."
But you think it IS fair to bring religion onto the field when it suits you? Having prayers in the locker rooms before games? That is mixing religion with football. Having a football team that is funded and sponsored by a religious Church? That brings religion onto the field by definition! Having firesides where football players, who have NO theological or pastoral credentials whatsoever, try to exploit their football hero status to recruit converts and strengthen religious believers - that is mixing religion and football!
If you are going to mix religion with football like that, then you can expect religious DISPUTES to be mixed with the game, too!
What these Wyoming players did was heroic! The only problem with the 60's was that NOT ENOUGH people protested the LDS Church's racism!
But you think it IS fair to bring religion onto the field when it suits you? Having prayers in the locker rooms before games? That is mixing religion with football. Having a football team that is funded and sponsored by a religious Church? That brings religion onto the field by definition! Having firesides where football players, who have NO theological or pastoral credentials whatsoever, try to exploit their football hero status to recruit converts and strengthen religious believers - that is mixing religion and football!
If you are going to mix religion with football like that, then you can expect religious DISPUTES to be mixed with the game, too!
What these Wyoming players did was heroic! The only problem with the 60's was that NOT ENOUGH people protested the LDS Church's racism!
Face It | 8:33 a.m. Nov. 6, 2009
The LDS church is not and will never be all accepting. That is the whole reason
for all of the tension. Members want to be accepted but don't show the
same courtesy outside their beliefs. That's why they are considered
hypocrites.
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- Man trapped in Nutty Putty cave dies117
- Cave to be sealed with body inside116
- Rivalry Week is highly profane90
- Hall's legacy measured today79
- Hall's pain reflects self-betrayal68
- Utes fall to Seattle U. at home65
We learned a bit more about the basketball team after this weekend.
There are 14 BYU players from Salt Lake Valley. And there are four Utah...
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I find it interesting that many of the same people who say that we can't...
None of these teams is going to be easy. They all have fine football...
Max, no apology was necessary, but the apology was polically correct. If...
Very good piece of writing, Amy. You summarized what many of us have been...
How is a top 25 finish make Utah a top twenty team? I think what the poster...
90% of the BYU & Utah fans have class, and Hall knows it. If you don't...
This might be my favorite article I've ever read from the Deseret News. Kudos.
Thank you for not giving up and don't give up now brother and sister...
Dr. Lois Lee's work with children who are victims of child sexual...
Look at the preview for Pixar's "Up". The whole move is summarized in...
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