A friend of mine said it best years ago. Jerry Sloan would rather lose his way
than win aside from from it. Tonight was a classic example of that. Dirk goes
off for 29 points in the 4th quarter and no double team ever came. Here's my
take on this. Jerry is obsessed with life in the paint. I will get specific on
the non-Dirk double team after laying the ground work for my non-flexible Sloan
argument (no double team relationship). Hang with me. I stopped checking the
last few years, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Jazz are still atop the NBA
in fewest 3 point shots taken/made and most 3 pointers given up in return. They
led the league in that for years. Jerry has always let teams beat him from
behind the arc. He only double teams in the paint and attacks only the paint on
offense. Take a three, outside the big three, and get yanked. Dirk beat the Jazz
from everywhere on the court because he faced up and pulled up while the Jazz
played man defense to their grave.
Moving on. If you double team the paint, then you make teams beat you from the
outside. That's Jerry. What I found odd was Jerry's post game comments. "We
didn't double team Dirk because they (Mavs) have good shooters like Jason Kidd
who can make three's. Jason Kidd, a good outside shooter? Uh, okay. Do your
homework coach. I am not buying this answer though. Kidd could be Reggie Miller
and Sloan would welcome the long ball to drop on the Jazz. The truth is that
Sloan double teams the post, gives up 3 point bombs, and wants his defense to
protect the paint. Well when the scorer hangs out on the perimeter, Jerry wants
to crowd him man to man and force him inside where all the great Jazz defensemen
dwell. You know the core crew who says "here come dunk in my grill. It's so
funny because Jerry worships the paint on both sides of the ball yet can't get
his players to attack the rim or defend it. Dirk dropped shots from everywhere
as Memo stood and watched (outmatched on the perimeter).
Tonight's non-double team of Dirk reminds me of whenever the Jazz play the
Lakers. You know, when Kobe scores 40+ on the Jazz more than any other team in
the league because the Jazz won't double team him. Hey, Ronnie Brewer is a nice
defender, but for crud sake, how about giving him some help.
Gdog. Listen up. The point is Jason Kidd has improved his 3 point markmanship.
He can kill you in the clutch. 2 years ago i saw him play the CLops with the
Nets he did nothing all night and hit couple 3s although they lost in overtime.
DWIL invites him to shoot. So, SLoan comments hold no water because the
shooters always run unopposed to the arc waiting for the shot to go up. We get
lucky we are not burned more but that is certain teams game plans go inside out
first more so. A team with very good shooters we are vulnerable to.Fez if he did not get so many fouls, then we could trust him starting. His
play when in there stats or not do not show, Dallas had more problems getting to
the rim. Barea does not get enough credit for quickness but beating DWIL to the
rim like I saw tonight even though he missed is lazy defense. You can score 40
but if you give up close to that like some do at times Like Okur what value are
they?Again, some it is the players the rest SLoan philosophy.
Well... I dont know what to say now lol I can say that Dirk did have somebody on
him at all times he just made the shot no mater what when an all-star gets on
fire there on fire. I don't think it was all the defense that hurt
Utah today in the fourth it was the lousy offense that let Dallas get the
transition plays. Utah barely scored anything after the 7 minute mark they
should have scored over 100 points with how much they had going into the 4th
quarter but for some reason they stumbled once again in the fourth.if Utah had kept scoring and playing there offense then it makes Dallas have
to try to speed up the tempo which leads them to take bad shots and more
turnovers but since Utah stopped scoring Dallas was able to keep it calm and
build momentum, I think it had to do with Utah playing outside of their offense
and not doing what they had been doing all game long. All in all
Utah had a very good defensive showing nobody can deny that that is until the
fourth quarter once again.
Please Mr Miller, If you offer Jerry Sloan another extension to coach you will
replace cheers with crickets chirping in your arena. Despite how great teams,
players and coaches are or have been there comes a time for change, a shakeup
and someone to deliver a new message. Also please evaluate the front office.
IMO you need to examine all aspects of the operation at a time where the NBA
as a whole is losing market share to other sports annually. I have loved the
Jazz since 1980 and supported then, but the tide is changing with this
franchises fan support.
We were up by 16 until they put Boozer back in. Every time down the court,
Boozer did not play help defense, he let guys go around and in front of him and
tried to swipe at the ball. No help D. We lost the lead and the game because of
Boozer. Stop playing him.
It isn't just Boozer that can't play defense, I wonder if the new breed of
players knows the meaning of defense. In the Houston game, four Jazz players
are under the basket, their small forward shoots and misses, they not only let
him get the rebound, but he scores in between the four of them. Last night,
same thing, shot goes up, four Jazz players under the basket, two of them
closest to the ball do not move, the Dallas player that shot the ball comes
across the floor, gets the rebound and shoots again over no out streatched hands
and makes the shot. Impressive. And these guys get paid millions for what?
This isn't entertainment.
"Sloan PAYS Defense?" Hmmm-hope he didn't have to give up too much of his salary
for Boozer. Sigh-it must be tough to be a professional writer. Spellcheck can't
fix things like that.
I have always defended Sloan, not today! No double-teaming, no substitutions,
no giving Dirk different looks, no timeout to settle his team down when they
were only shooting jump shots. Today I lay some blame on the Hall of Fame
coach. I know he knows more than me, but that is my opinion today. I think we
need a little more effort out of him to get this season started.
Cry me a river, Boozer. You made your bed, now you gotta lie in it.Boozer chose to say he was getting a raise, no matter what, during the season
last year while injured. He chose to do those radio interviews in Miami and
Chicago, saying how much he'd like to play in those cities, while under contract
in Utah. Of course people are going to be on his beep. What does he expect?Boozer needs to grow up, grow a set, and play basketball.
The Jazz have absolutely no heart or desire at all. None. Zip. Zero. Nada.
They have their big fat contracts and don't really care enough to play with the
effort and intensity it take to win. Why play hard when they can loaf it and
still collect their enormous paychecks? I won't be buying tickets
any time soon. If they don't care, why should I? Only a sap would keep rooting
for a bunch of players who don't care.....
Sorry Jerry but it looks like it's time to hand the reins to someone else.Nah ... it ain't gonna happen. Jerry's going to get his extension.If anything, Jazz management are consistent in their decision making. No
changes as long as the team is making the playoffs.
Am I The Only One That Watched That 4th Quarter? Who Out Played Us? Dirk... Who
Was Guarding Him? Okur. Now, Before You Think Anything Different, Know That I
Love Okur! He Is An Amazing Basketball Player... However, His Defensive
Abilities Are The Same, If Not Less Than, Boozer. And You Know Its True. When
Dirk Is Hot Like That, And Okur Cant Stop Him, Why Is He Still Guarding Him? Put
AK On Him, Get Fez In There Even... Anything, But Okur's Defense (Or Lack There
Of) Blew The Game For Us. Doesnt Help That We Missed Almost Every Shot We Took
Boozer got 12 points but 2 rebounds. Millsap got 6 rebounds but only 5 points.
They had 46 minutes of playing time. There is still something wrong with the
Sloan offense. It is not just Boozer who is playing way below normal. On defense it is the same predictable circus. Teams beat the Jazz with an
inside out game. Bomb from outside slash inside if you can. The Jazz got out
rebounded. Are the players bad or lazy. For most that is not true.
Other teams would like to have the Jazz players. The philosophy and
the game plan have problems. Bad game philosophy, game plans and refusal to
adjust will make players look bad. It will also cause them to stop playing as
hard because playing hard does not win due to the bad game plan. Sloan does not adjust when he needs to adjust. He has never defended the 3. It
is a permanent weakness of the Jazz and other teams exploit it. He struggles
with fun and gun teams. There is NO interior defense. Sloan is the
primary reason for the losses. He chooses the players. He can't run his own
played well against both DEN and DALL for 3 quarters, then the other team
adjusted and exploited the Jazz weaknesses which are the same as last years and
very predictable given the Sloan biases. Jerry does not adjust but
just tries to get tired players to play the wrong approach harder and the whole
team gets kicked in the 4 quarter. The big question is CAN or WILL
Jerry adjust and fix the problems. So far he has not. The problems
are not with the players as much as it is with Jerry. He insists on doing it his
way and it is not working and will not work. The good teams can negate his dated
approach to the game. Who cares about his offensive efficiency if
the players he recruited can't defend. Who cares about his OE if his teams can't
win if one of the players is injured. Sloan has a flawed system and
I have no faith in it until he proves otherwise. Actually the system
could be made to work with a better more adaptable coach and of course better
more versatile players. What do you expect for 82 million anyway?
make the playoffs
The Jazz were in it till the fourth and that was after getting their lunch
handed to them the night before.No doubt they are still struggling
but that will fix itself, till then enjoy the games because that is what they
are. GAMES. They are for your enjoyment and there was some good
team play, great shots and for three quarters we owned Dallas in their
building. Seems like we learned from our loss the day before.If we
won each night we would think we were invincible bnut it is good to see the team
grow and develop and become better players. Brewer is much better now than he
was 2 years ago so is DWill and Boozer. If we are patient we may even see some
worth from Fes this season.Don't get your shirt in a knot, you are
not the coach and he is the one who has to figure out how to craft the players
together in order to be competitive and win some that we aren't supposed to,
guess what he nearly did it last night.Keep watching, except for you
Mr. Reality, I am sure your world is perfectly round
Both Millsap and Boozer are undersized for their position.They are
getting dominated by longer taller players almost every game.We are
spending 20 million a year on power forwards and they are the worst performing
position on the floor.Both of these guys will never be anything more
than role players but we have paid them like they are allstars.Defenses have figured out how to guard Boozer and life for him in this league
is effectively over.
I am a Sloan backer. I have watched him way back when he was a player in
Chicago.(I lived in Chicago when I was younger.) He was a tough defensive
player then. I think that he, no doubt, has taught these guys defense, but the
players just won't do it. I really think the big contracts destroy these
players. Eventually they lose that drive to play hard and, alot of times, go
through the motions and collect their big paychecks. I also have to give Sloan
a break because he has to play with the players he's given. The coach that is a
joke is Phil Jackson. First he has Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippen to run his
show. Now he has Kobey Bryant. All he has to do is sit there on the bench and
collect the Rings. You give Sloan that type of material and he would do
great.(Remember the two championship series we had when Stockton and Malone were
here.) I rest my case.
in the 4th quarter by not counteracting adjustments by the apposing team. Either
he did not have the players he needed to make the appropriate adjustments (stop
Lawson and Dirk) or he just does not adjust when he needs to make adjustments.
I think it is a bit of both. I also think that other teams, many of
the good teams know how to break down the Sloan system and they know he can't or
will not adjust. Lavell Edwards was a great coach but eventually the
game caught up with him and he lost his differential advantage. He quit winning
and eventually retired. You can make the case for Sloan as a great
coach but you can also make the case that his system does not work anymore even
with the players he hand picked to run it. There are not BYU recruiting
restrictions on the Jazz. It is a free market and the Jazz can get the talent
they need or want to pay for. Every team makes a few player mistakes
but the Jazz continue to have the same problems year after year. That is Miller,
KOC and Sloan pursuing the wrong philosophy. Please change.
I am also a Sloan backer, as many of you know, but I have to say that last night
was one of the worst coaching performances I have whitnessed form Coach Sloan.
That loss goes squarely on his shoulders in my mind.He didn't rest
D-Will and Brewer in the second half (they had both played 40+ minutes the night
before), he didn't use his timeouts in the 4th when Dirk started to go crazy, he
left Boozer and Okur together for the ENTIRE QUARTER while they got absolutely
destroyed by Dirk, and he left Millsap sitting on the bench. That is just bad
coaching, plain and simple.The strange thing is that I think some of
those things are actually fairly out of charachter for Sloan, like not resting
D-Will and not playing Millsap in the 4th. I don't know what is going on with
the Jazz right now, but I don't like it.
It wasn't just a lack of defense, but a lack of game-control and clock
management. I counted at least 10 times that the Jazz couldn't get a pass
inside (or didn't try) so put up outside jumpers with 10-20 seconds still left
on the shot clock. If you're missing perimeter shots and you're up by 16 at the
half you should at least eat up some clock before launching them. That way Dirk
doesn't get so many touches. Fewer touches = fewer points. The lack of game
management has been the real killer over the last 3 years. Penetrate and score
-- quit throwing up jumpers from 20 feet with your 30% shooters.
It's going to be a long season for the Jazz if Boozer doesn't start acting like
he wants to play for the Jazz. So far He doesn't care how the Jazz play. He
doesn't do anything defensively and now he isn't doing anything on offense.
Time to start Millsap and give him and Fes more minutes till boozer can figure
out where he wants to be for now.
I will begin with last season. Bad coaching to put Booz back in after Milsap
earned minutes. Sloan broke the flow and the team morale. I was shocked when
he started Booz this season. There IS a Booz factor. D-Wil doesn't look like
he's into it, and if the Jazz want to keep him, they better build a team around
him or he'll leave, which will be our loss and some other team's gain. The Jazz,
while good, never get the complete team for whatever reason. But the Booz
factor is apparent. I think we're missing the Harpring factor too. The good 15
ft jump shot which Korver can do too. Empty space there. Also, with Harpring
gone, we need a new agitator. And SLOAN...jeez...stop the bleeding and make
some substitutions before it's too late. Do something! All of our losses
could've been wins. Time for Hornacek and for crying out loud, bench Booz and
start Milsap. This is going to be a crap year. No chemistry and Sloan must be
thinking "TRACTORS IN ILLINOIS". He looks downright absent.
It is true some times guys get hot and no one can stop them by themselves.
However making a guy pass by double teaming or switching to a zone often can
slow or through a guy off. Also a nice hard foul can make a big differance.
Sloan needs to be sent packing. His inability to make adjustments durring games
or to the way basketball is played these days is a huge liability to this
franchise. Knocking down the three ball has become the staple of most of the
top teams in the NBA because of the way it balances the offense. 33% from 3 is
as efficient as shooting 50% from inside the arc except a 3 can pump you up and
get the energy flowing. Jerry needs to embrase this on offense and defense.
Anyone know if management or Sloan reads these posts. Should they have to even.
It is beginning to sound like a broken record. It will be fun for us if we just
learn to enjoy the skills of others like,Dirk who put on a show for us at the
Jazz espense. We own a Clown team coached by an over the hill great guy who
helps the players look bad. Wish we could trade coaches for six months with any
of the teams who have put us through the wringer in the last two weeks. They all
have our number.
Boozer would be much better off playing at small forward rather than power
forward. He'd be able to dominate in that area and get more points and still do
his rebounding. Millsap is also a little undersized for power forward.
There comes a time for the good of the team and the franchise when an owner has
to do something to save the team. Sloan has won enough (over the
years) to cover up his very poor game management. However, it is now getting
past repair. Playing a hurt Okur against Dirk is the tip of the iceberg. Not
calling time outs is lendendary. Playing Boozer when he has no reason to be on
the floor based on consistent nonperformance is also typical. The veteran bias.
The refusal to guard the 3. The refusal to use the 3. Insisting on playing Okur
and Boozer in the 4th and pretending that is defense. A bias against the zone
when you can't man up. I could go on. Suspend Sloan and get Stockton
to run the team for the rest of the year. He knows the system and how to run it.
He will not show favortism to any player. He will adjust and should be a world
class game coach. If he won't do it then get Horny or even Avery
Johnson. They could not be worse than Sloan. The Jazz have to have
better game management.
Jerry's system works, but only if you have the players to do it. The jazz's
problem this year is interior defense, our guards to fine (not great, but fine).
Our bigs on the otherhand... Okur gives everything he has, he just isn't
capable of defending well in the paint, and he isn't mean enough to knock
someone on his rear. Boozer just doesn't care. Milsap is just not big enough
to cover the larger players in the league. None of our big men dare knock
someone down with a hard foul. I want to have Matt Harpring back, he was more
than tough, he was mean. The jazz are missing that this year. They are scared
to get their hands dirty. Sometimes you scare someone with a hard foul.
plan. Lose more than MEM and then fire sale all of the expiring contracts before
the salary tax kicks in.
I am so tired of the jazz organization saying , give Boozer time, he will come
around, right, don't you all get it, he does not want to come around,in fact, he
doesn't want to be here. Is he missing shots just to make a point or is he that
bad? Somebody do something, anything, or you are going to loose the fans. Four
games into the season and we, the fans are ready to call it quits. Pathetic!!!
are calling for McMillan to be fired. He would be a great replacement for Sloan.
Jerry Sloan system is gona long ago with Stockton malone. Just like 49ers trying
to use 80's play calling.
I really don't care what happened over the summer or even if Carlos would leave
tomorrow if he had his druthers. He simply hasn't played well in these first
four games. I don't think the fans want him to fail. Everyone needs him to play
up to his capability. Snap out of it Carlos. Just play ball like you know
And such is the sadly state of the Utah Jazz. I'm guessing Larry Miller has
turned over in his grave a time or two about what's happening. Classic case of
son being handed life on a silver platter, thus he doesn't appreciate the ease
with which he fell into dad's easy money, blows all the money on a pathetic
group of coaches and players, loses all the money, eventually sells the team.Don't think it will happen? It is happening as we speak, 4 games into
the season. 1 lowly win against perrenial doormat Clippers (and even then the
win wasn't secure until near the end) and 3 embarrassing blowouts.You can add mayo to a poop sandwich but its still a poop sandwich and we are
forced to eat it. And to add insult to injury, the Knicks will probably start
winning and there will go our 2nd lottery pick (I think the 1st one will be in
the bag by mid season)
No, the 49ers problem was wasting their #1 Draft pick on Alex Nobody. Let's not
compare apples with oranges.
Jerry plays the game as if there was no 3 point line and Man-to-man was still
the game. The game has changed but Jerry hasn't so its time for him to go.
Maybe there is a good reason that Jerry has never won coach of the year? Maybe
they don't have blinders on like the Miller family.
I'm tired of people posting that Sloan's system will work if he has the right
players and that these players as assembled aren't the right ones to match the
system. People, Jerry Sloan has as much say in the player personnel as Kevin
O'Conner. He gives imput on drafted players. He wanted D-Will over CP3. He went
on record saying that he wanted everyone back from last season. This is his team
and he should be held accountable if they don't perform, it's plain and simple
folks. Stop acting like it's all the players fault. I'm sure Memo was like I can
take Dirk in a 4th quarter huddle after Dirk had scored 20 points on him
Those claiming sloan would have more succes if had a kobe or a jordon, but such is not true, those types of players would
flounder in sloan's system,what good is having kobe or jordon if you
still run a system that relies on the point and PF doing everything. those player do NOT want to be standing at the three point line waiting
on the point and pf to do their thing, and it would be a
waste of talent, no, until sloan and his system are gone no
players like a kobe or a jordon would ever want play here, and
jazz will never get the players you NEED to win championship until that
happens.while sloan controls all personel descisions, the jazz will
always get the kind of playeres they have always got.While sloan may
be good running players through a practice.he is and always has been
the worse game-time coach there is.the fact is, he has rode players
like stockton and malone to all the regular success he has had.
We're so tired of it. We need some entertainment on these cold long winter
nights, something to get excited about. Changes have to be made. We can't even
watch this product, it's too incompetent and out of control. This is supposed to
be professional basketball. Our coach cannot even call a timeout when one is
needed. Put's our 2nd worst defender with a bum leg on one of the best offensive
players in the league. Then we have a general manager who doesn't seem to really
know anything about defense. It's insane. We're tired of it.
Kevin O ... do something, it can't get any worse. Think healthcare ...
something's gotta be done :)
How can you claim to be a player's coach and not have one on one talks? Sloan
says he has yet to have a one on one talk with Boozer this year. Does Sloan even
coach? Or does he just get paid to yell at refs and take interviews??
Sloan has always favored Boozer. He gets special treatment. I have nothing
against Boozer and could care less about what he has said. I care
about the way he is playing. Okur is playing well. Fez is playing well. Brewer
and DWill are playing pretty good. AK sometimes and Millsap not so much. Boozer
is playing bad. Sloan is trying to nurse Boozer along. That is bad
for the team. Boozer is not in playing shape. He lacks explosiveness. He needs
to go to special training to get his hops back. Boozer should not
get major or key minutes until he earns them, ditto for Millsap. What is killing
this team are Sloans rotations which are not based on match ups or even the best
combinations. Okur and Boozer should not be on the floor at the same time. Sloan needs to cut Boozer's minutes until he demonstrates he can play.
Ditto for Millsap. Boozer will not and should not be with the team next year.
The Jazz owe him nothing. The way he is playing he can be replaced by just about
any role player or journeyman out there. Koufos is better right now.
trade Boozer and our 1st round pick to Toronto for Bosh now or hang on to the
pick and get a big, long PF?
Stop and think about this. The fans are mad (for good reason). However, take
another look. The Jazz have lost on the road to DEN and DAL, a couple of very
good teams. The Jazz almost always lose on the road to good teams. They lost at
home to HOU which so far is a surprisingly good team. The
problem is with the expectations and how the Jazz lost. The preseason seemed to
indicate the Jazz would be good and the Boozer experiment was working. Then the
real season started. The Jazz play well for 3 quarters and then fold like a weak
hand in poker. The Jazz exhibit all of the same old problems. The
fans know they had been snookered. They are mad and have good reason to be mad.
Sloan is a major part of the problem. He will not change nor make
the changes that have to be made. He plays Boozer when Boozer's play hurts the
team. He does his normal routine which has lost countless games over the years.
This year was supposed to be different. It won't unless Sloan
changes or gets changed. ESA will empty with no change.
Hey Jazz, quit leaving for the hot dog stand after the 3rd quarter of each game!
You guys need to beef it up in the 4th and finish hard. Looks like you have no
killer instinct, no desire to finish any game strong.I also am a
Sloan fan, but tonight he failed to coach and give his team a chance to win in
the 4th. Use time outs, use your bench when the starters aren't playing
defense. Right now I would sit your entire starting line-up except D-Will for
the next game's beginning, to send a message to your players that those who play
defense play the game. Starters might realize it is a privilege to start a game
and not a foregone conclusion.Total failure on behalf of coach and
players tonight. Shake things up and teach some lessons here!
Did Sloan say he wanted to use Boozer on Nowitzki and that hurt them??? Is he
new here? Boozer couldn't shut down Nowitzki's computer.
Not sure the Jazz even know what a hot dod stand is. They are still at the
little kids lemonade stand playing like they are on the little kids playground.
The really question you have to ask is this a defensive team. No.
Defense wins Championships/games. Some of the players need to stop worrying
about how much they make and come to work ready to work. I know some players
that did this all the time and I don't have to mention their names becasue
everyone knows who they are. When you put that uniform on you have committed
your self to work and if you think just providing offense play is all you have
to do. Then in the end you will suck. Like you are now. Sucking it up. Now
I know Solan will not let this happen because he is a great coach and knows what
it takes to win, but what kind of motivation do you need to play hard every time
you step on to the court. Its someone that will do whatever it takes to win for
his team...and that is playing defense for the team.