Too bad | 8:52 p.m. Nov. 1, 2009
I don't usually criticize the coaching staff at the U. But this one baffles me.

I suppose the offense was a little more motivated, especially the line, with Wynn in the game, but Cain is clearly the better player.


Had he played in the second half, Utah would still have won by about the same margin.

Wynn on the road will be scary.

I vote for Cain to start the next game. The coaches had better be careful or they will lose their best player.
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Re: Too bad | 9:12 p.m. Nov. 1, 2009

Non-sense.
I say keep plan B (Wynn).
And if he is not doing well in UNM game, then start Cain in TCU.

The offense needs a change and while Cain is a good QB, may be Wynn can spark the offense.

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re: too bad | 9:16 p.m. Nov. 1, 2009
What game were you watching? Cain may be the better athlete and he is talented - but he hasn't been the better player. He's slow and immobile, can't hold on to the ball and can't throw down field. Opposing teams have figured that out and adjusted their defenses accordingly with the result that our offense struggles to move the ball and only scores on big plays. Wynn should start, if for no other reason than he has a better arm and other teams don't know how to play him yet. Go Utes.
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Ok re: too bad @ 9:16 | 1:08 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
I respect your opinion, but to say Cain is slow?? If you mean in making reads, then maybe yes, but if you mean in footspeed, then I don't know if you've been watching the right guy. Cain is dang quick on his feet. I trust the coaches, they know alot more about whats going on behind the scenes than I do.
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gdog3 | 2:38 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
There is a lot that goes into this Wynn vs. Cain thing. For one, regardless of who is at QB, there are offensive coaching issues that are really nothing new for the Utes in recent years. Yes, Cain's numbers are similar to those of Brian Johnson last year. Truth is that although the Utes had a magical season last year, the offense stunk in all but 4 out of 13 games. Johnson was great in the clutch and the defense was supreme. Well, this years Utes are winning the close games again. Props to them, but they are barely beating teams (minus Oregon) that have sub par talent. Again, Oregon being the only exception there as well. Now, Andy Ludwig is gone and Schramm is doing the same thing. What you might ask? Major conservative play calling that is geared on protecting the ball and relying on the defense. Here's the problem. The offense still turns the ball over (they have throughout Whit's reign) and can't score points. Regardless of who is offensive coordinator, and it's my opinion, Whit won't let that guy open up the offense.
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gdog3 | 2:40 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Do the Utes go with Wynn now?
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gdog3 | 2:50 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Re: too bad. Cain does not have a live arm, has fumbled way to often, and takes to many sacks. Opposing defenses have figured out Utah's offensive game plan. It's way to conservative and ironically, still produces turnovers. It's not all Cain's fault, but the offense needs to try new things. To Mr. too bad, the Utes baffle me as well though. Wynn didn't just replace Cain, he lost a year of eligibility. No biggie if Wynn is the new starter. We'll see. Plus the Roderick/Schramm shift is interesting, if not baffling. I understand it, even support it at this point, but it's just funny the soap opera the Offensive Coordinator position has been the last couple of seasons.
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ralph samuelson | 3:52 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
What game were you watching? Wynn didn't look that great besides 2 throws. He threw one pass right into the hands of the defender that would have been returned for a TD had it not been Wyoming who we were playing.
Cain is still a better and more poised QB at this point. He learned his lesson that he still needs to improve and he will be out there next week. Wynn will come in again when we're up by 21 in the fourth quarter.
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Utah Man | 6:27 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
How many of you have coached a team in the FBS division of college football to an undefeated season? That's what I thought? Let it be...Cain has struggled and maybe letting him have a look from the bench will give him a new perspective and help him. Quit worrying that Cain will leave with his ball if they don't let him play. He's a man. He can take it and will come out doing great. GO UTES!!!
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re; Too Bad | 7:02 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Cain is clearly the better player??? Not from what I see. I see Cain fumble. I see Cain take sacks at critical points in the game (he's not as fast as I thought he would be) and Cain has this knack for stalling drives at or near the red zone. A change is needed. We can still use Cain in the Wildcat formation.
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Anonymous | 7:12 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Being treated the way Cain is, what - a 6-1 record with a very respectable game against Oregon (albeit before Oregon hit their stride), why would anyone ever want to go to the U to be subjected to such treatment???

Wynn better watch his back because win or lose his head is on the chopping block.
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Anonymous | 7:49 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Whit wants the competition to return to he QB spot. With Cain seeing the threat of being replaced will hopefully cause him to play harder. He offensive coach needs to mix up Caine a bit. He needs to run him more, but not too much. And WHY NOT run the wildcat with wide. I just don't understand at all
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Redshirt | 7:53 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Better give Wynn the starting job now after blowing his possible Redshirt year half way through the season. Should have started him from game one.
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Are you guys kidding? | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Cain is the better player? My opinion of Utah fans just plummeted with that one comment.

Cain is a very average QB. He can throw 2 passing routes consistently, the short slant and the behind-the-line WR screen. That's it. That's what our offense had become. Defenses played all 11 guys within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage due to no threat of longer passing patterns. He does not read defenses well. He looks for Reed way too much, bypassing other routes. And he has more fumbles than any DI QB this year.

And he's the better player?

If you were at the game Saturday, you saw an immediate sign of respect from Wyoming once Wynn entered the game. Their safeties backed up, as did their corners and linebackers. Just the threat of a downfield passing game created more space for Wide.

Stats don't tell the case. Cain's completions and yards depended on Reed catching screen passes and making something happen. Wynn came in and threw some deeper slants, couple of out routes, curls and the ball to Brooks. Not even close who is the better QB.
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LaVar the Utah Cat | 8:24 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Wynn is the QB for the duration. Consider the intangibles he brings along with comparable talent. He obviously thinks faster than Cain, is more decisive, makes better reads, and has a better arm for distance throws. Wynn brings emotion, a calming demeanor, and leadership to the Utes. Cain seemed nearly comatose when playing. Incidentally, the "near interception" was due to the receiver being obstructed - Wynn threw it exactly where it should have been. Cain will be a good backup, but that is it. Should he choose to go elsewhere, I say, "See ya!"
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Wrong headline! | 8:56 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Should say ute offense fizzles. The last score doesn't count. If you saw the game you know that the ute offense never showed up and are in real trouble despite your attempt to put a happy face on this clown!
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Cain | 9:20 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Talk about stabbing your QB in the back, can't believe it. Lost all confidence in Schram, this is why, for years the coaches told Louks hey your the man, dangled the carrot then in spring ball the same thing. So they run off Louks and give Cain the ball, guess what coaches, Cain wasn't the reason for a sluggish 1st half!!! He didn't do anything wrong, you gotta stick with your man. This action will hurt recruiting big time. I wouldn't go to this school knowing a coach wouldn't stick with me. Talk about crushing confidence, how can a QB lead a team looking over your shoulder. Bad Bad Bad Watch out Wynn remember your next.
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ute | 9:22 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Its obvious that all the byu fans on here really want cain to stay at quarterback but its not going to happen. Cain is a fine quarterback but Wynn has the ability to be a great one!!! And as much as we appreciate your critisisms of Coach Whitt, we will live with the fact that the games are close but that we have won 28 of our last 30!!!!! Not too bad!!!!
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VA Ute | 9:26 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
re: Lavar the Utah Cat

Thank you for bringing up that Brooks was obstructed on that play. You and I seem to be the only two people that saw that. It was still a risky throw but not near as bad as it's being made out to be.

I think Wynn should get another shot. It's clear that Cain can't throw the long ball, or even the medium for that matter. Opening that up with Wynn may do wonders for the offense.
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Schram in Trouble? | 9:32 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Why move your OC out of the box to the side line, and put your WR Coach in the box to call plays? So Schram is in trouble, and pulls Cain. Hope I'm wrong
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