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Utah Utes football: Wynn sparked offense, but not officially starting
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Re: Too bad | 9:12 p.m. Nov. 1, 2009
Non-sense.
I say keep plan B (Wynn).
And if he is not doing well in UNM game, then start Cain in TCU.
The offense needs a change and while Cain is a good QB, may be Wynn can spark the offense.
re: too bad | 9:16 p.m. Nov. 1, 2009
What game were you watching? Cain may be the better athlete and he is talented
- but he hasn't been the better player. He's slow and immobile,
can't hold on to the ball and can't throw down field. Opposing teams
have figured that out and adjusted their defenses accordingly with the result
that our offense struggles to move the ball and only scores on big plays. Wynn
should start, if for no other reason than he has a better arm and other teams
don't know how to play him yet. Go Utes.
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Ok re: too bad @ 9:16 | 1:08 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
I respect your opinion, but to say Cain is slow?? If you mean in making reads,
then maybe yes, but if you mean in footspeed, then I don't know if
you've been watching the right guy. Cain is dang quick on his feet. I trust
the coaches, they know alot more about whats going on behind the scenes than I
do.
gdog3 | 2:38 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
There is a lot that goes into this Wynn vs. Cain thing. For one, regardless of
who is at QB, there are offensive coaching issues that are really nothing new
for the Utes in recent years. Yes, Cain's numbers are similar to those of
Brian Johnson last year. Truth is that although the Utes had a magical season
last year, the offense stunk in all but 4 out of 13 games. Johnson was great in
the clutch and the defense was supreme. Well, this years Utes are winning the
close games again. Props to them, but they are barely beating teams (minus
Oregon) that have sub par talent. Again, Oregon being the only exception there
as well. Now, Andy Ludwig is gone and Schramm is doing the same thing. What you
might ask? Major conservative play calling that is geared on protecting the ball
and relying on the defense. Here's the problem. The offense still turns the
ball over (they have throughout Whit's reign) and can't score points.
Regardless of who is offensive coordinator, and it's my opinion, Whit
won't let that guy open up the offense.
gdog3 | 2:40 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Do the Utes go with Wynn now?
gdog3 | 2:50 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Re: too bad. Cain does not have a live arm, has fumbled way to often, and takes
to many sacks. Opposing defenses have figured out Utah's offensive game
plan. It's way to conservative and ironically, still produces turnovers.
It's not all Cain's fault, but the offense needs to try new things. To
Mr. too bad, the Utes baffle me as well though. Wynn didn't just replace
Cain, he lost a year of eligibility. No biggie if Wynn is the new starter.
We'll see. Plus the Roderick/Schramm shift is interesting, if not baffling.
I understand it, even support it at this point, but it's just funny the
soap opera the Offensive Coordinator position has been the last couple of
seasons.
ralph samuelson | 3:52 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
What game were you watching? Wynn didn't look that great besides 2 throws.
He threw one pass right into the hands of the defender that would have been
returned for a TD had it not been Wyoming who we were playing.
Cain is still a better and more poised QB at this point. He learned his lesson that he still needs to improve and he will be out there next week. Wynn will come in again when we're up by 21 in the fourth quarter.
Cain is still a better and more poised QB at this point. He learned his lesson that he still needs to improve and he will be out there next week. Wynn will come in again when we're up by 21 in the fourth quarter.
Utah Man | 6:27 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
How many of you have coached a team in the FBS division of college football to
an undefeated season? That's what I thought? Let it be...Cain has struggled
and maybe letting him have a look from the bench will give him a new perspective
and help him. Quit worrying that Cain will leave with his ball if they
don't let him play. He's a man. He can take it and will come out doing
great. GO UTES!!!
re; Too Bad | 7:02 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Cain is clearly the better player??? Not from what I see. I see Cain fumble.
I see Cain take sacks at critical points in the game (he's not as fast as I
thought he would be) and Cain has this knack for stalling drives at or near the
red zone. A change is needed. We can still use Cain in the Wildcat formation.
Anonymous | 7:12 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Being treated the way Cain is, what - a 6-1 record with a very respectable game
against Oregon (albeit before Oregon hit their stride), why would anyone ever
want to go to the U to be subjected to such treatment???
Wynn better watch his back because win or lose his head is on the chopping block.
Wynn better watch his back because win or lose his head is on the chopping block.
Anonymous | 7:49 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Whit wants the competition to return to he QB spot. With Cain seeing the threat
of being replaced will hopefully cause him to play harder. He offensive coach
needs to mix up Caine a bit. He needs to run him more, but not too much. And WHY
NOT run the wildcat with wide. I just don't understand at all
Redshirt | 7:53 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Better give Wynn the starting job now after blowing his possible Redshirt year
half way through the season. Should have started him from game one.
Are you guys kidding? | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Cain is the better player? My opinion of Utah fans just plummeted with that one
comment.
Cain is a very average QB. He can throw 2 passing routes consistently, the short slant and the behind-the-line WR screen. That's it. That's what our offense had become. Defenses played all 11 guys within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage due to no threat of longer passing patterns. He does not read defenses well. He looks for Reed way too much, bypassing other routes. And he has more fumbles than any DI QB this year.
And he's the better player?
If you were at the game Saturday, you saw an immediate sign of respect from Wyoming once Wynn entered the game. Their safeties backed up, as did their corners and linebackers. Just the threat of a downfield passing game created more space for Wide.
Stats don't tell the case. Cain's completions and yards depended on Reed catching screen passes and making something happen. Wynn came in and threw some deeper slants, couple of out routes, curls and the ball to Brooks. Not even close who is the better QB.
Cain is a very average QB. He can throw 2 passing routes consistently, the short slant and the behind-the-line WR screen. That's it. That's what our offense had become. Defenses played all 11 guys within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage due to no threat of longer passing patterns. He does not read defenses well. He looks for Reed way too much, bypassing other routes. And he has more fumbles than any DI QB this year.
And he's the better player?
If you were at the game Saturday, you saw an immediate sign of respect from Wyoming once Wynn entered the game. Their safeties backed up, as did their corners and linebackers. Just the threat of a downfield passing game created more space for Wide.
Stats don't tell the case. Cain's completions and yards depended on Reed catching screen passes and making something happen. Wynn came in and threw some deeper slants, couple of out routes, curls and the ball to Brooks. Not even close who is the better QB.
LaVar the Utah Cat | 8:24 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Wynn is the QB for the duration. Consider the intangibles he brings along with
comparable talent. He obviously thinks faster than Cain, is more decisive,
makes better reads, and has a better arm for distance throws. Wynn brings
emotion, a calming demeanor, and leadership to the Utes. Cain seemed nearly
comatose when playing. Incidentally, the "near interception" was due
to the receiver being obstructed - Wynn threw it exactly where it should have
been. Cain will be a good backup, but that is it. Should he choose to go
elsewhere, I say, "See ya!"
Wrong headline! | 8:56 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Should say ute offense fizzles. The last score doesn't count. If you saw
the game you know that the ute offense never showed up and are in real trouble
despite your attempt to put a happy face on this clown!
Cain | 9:20 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Talk about stabbing your QB in the back, can't believe it. Lost all
confidence in Schram, this is why, for years the coaches told Louks hey your the
man, dangled the carrot then in spring ball the same thing. So they run off
Louks and give Cain the ball, guess what coaches, Cain wasn't the reason
for a sluggish 1st half!!! He didn't do anything wrong, you gotta stick
with your man. This action will hurt recruiting big time. I wouldn't go to
this school knowing a coach wouldn't stick with me. Talk about crushing
confidence, how can a QB lead a team looking over your shoulder. Bad Bad Bad
Watch out Wynn remember your next.
ute | 9:22 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Its obvious that all the byu fans on here really want cain to stay at
quarterback but its not going to happen. Cain is a fine quarterback but Wynn
has the ability to be a great one!!! And as much as we appreciate your
critisisms of Coach Whitt, we will live with the fact that the games are close
but that we have won 28 of our last 30!!!!! Not too bad!!!!
VA Ute | 9:26 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
re: Lavar the Utah Cat
Thank you for bringing up that Brooks was obstructed on that play. You and I seem to be the only two people that saw that. It was still a risky throw but not near as bad as it's being made out to be.
I think Wynn should get another shot. It's clear that Cain can't throw the long ball, or even the medium for that matter. Opening that up with Wynn may do wonders for the offense.
Thank you for bringing up that Brooks was obstructed on that play. You and I seem to be the only two people that saw that. It was still a risky throw but not near as bad as it's being made out to be.
I think Wynn should get another shot. It's clear that Cain can't throw the long ball, or even the medium for that matter. Opening that up with Wynn may do wonders for the offense.
Schram in Trouble? | 9:32 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Why move your OC out of the box to the side line, and put your WR Coach in the
box to call plays? So Schram is in trouble, and pulls Cain. Hope I'm wrong
Ute Man | 9:36 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Wynn should start for the rest of the season - Cain should run a more expanded
Louks/wildcat package. More change of pace than two QB system.
I fully expect the Utes to use 3 or more QBs vs TCU via the wildcat. They are going to need there A running game, so multiple guys wil get their chances.
They won't announce who will start next week, because they don't have to. They are at a point now where they can mix it up a lot & other teams will not know what to expect.
I fully expect the Utes to use 3 or more QBs vs TCU via the wildcat. They are going to need there A running game, so multiple guys wil get their chances.
They won't announce who will start next week, because they don't have to. They are at a point now where they can mix it up a lot & other teams will not know what to expect.
Anonymous | 9:42 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
At the U - we do what it takes to win.
If that means switching Coordinators from the booth to the field or switching QBs or converting offensive players to defensive players, that is what we do.
In the end, it will work out for the best, because it is a team game.
If that means switching Coordinators from the booth to the field or switching QBs or converting offensive players to defensive players, that is what we do.
In the end, it will work out for the best, because it is a team game.
re:va ute | 9:58 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Disagree, remember Cain is all around the best QB Wynn can't run at all
that scares me. When you are looking at a all around spread QB Cain is it. Once
other teams zero in on Wynn it will be over. Has a good deep but that is it.
the wynn dog | 10:12 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Coaches had to make the change to wynn, the offense was way too predictable.
Wynn actually checks all the routes and fast enough to get the pass off.
Although he is not as fast as Cain, I think he will do well starting for the
rest of the year. p.s. the almost interception everyone saw was not wynns
fault, the recievers bumped into each other and couldn't run the route.
Wynn is a Win | 10:16 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Jordan Wynn isn't a well-rounded seasoned quarterback. He's a true
freshman. He's Utah's future; not Terrance Cain.
Albeit, Wynn can throw the deep ball. Opposing defenses have learned to collapse on Cain, shutting down the slants, screens, and running game.
Wynn brings the deep threat. If you've been watching Utah football this year, you've seen our receivers constantly open deep, but never being rewarded.
Wynn changes that.
Albeit, Wynn can throw the deep ball. Opposing defenses have learned to collapse on Cain, shutting down the slants, screens, and running game.
Wynn brings the deep threat. If you've been watching Utah football this year, you've seen our receivers constantly open deep, but never being rewarded.
Wynn changes that.
Question | 10:17 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
What games are you watching. Sub Par talent? If you have not watched the MWC
this year, teams are better, Wyoming, Airforce, and SDSU especialy. If you
don't believe it you are dumb. SDSU gave BYU everything they could handle,
Airforce gave TCU fits (BYU did not) Wyoming was beating Texas at half time.
These teams are alot better than anyone is giving them credit for, what is
killing them is the lack of experience. Next year there will be alot of Parity
in this league so look out
re: Schram in Trouble? | 10:30 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
I think the move was more about attitude than anything. Schram has been the
firey coach on the sidelines the last few years, and I think they miss his
emotion on the field. Especially with not having a real leader on the offensive
side of the ball. If you heard Roderick this morning, he admitted that most of
the play calls are predetermined during the week based on time, down and
distance, so whoever was calling the plays would have made many of the same
calls.
Roderick would have been the OC calling plays if he hadn't have tested the Washington waters, so it's not anything that he's uncapable of.
And if you think it was Schram who pulled Cain, you obviously don't understand the Utah football program. Whit is in charge, from start to finish. This is his program. That call was Whit's, he's liked Wynn since spring. He would have started Wynn from the beginning if he didn't think Cain was going to be more effective managing the offense than he turned out to be.
Roderick would have been the OC calling plays if he hadn't have tested the Washington waters, so it's not anything that he's uncapable of.
And if you think it was Schram who pulled Cain, you obviously don't understand the Utah football program. Whit is in charge, from start to finish. This is his program. That call was Whit's, he's liked Wynn since spring. He would have started Wynn from the beginning if he didn't think Cain was going to be more effective managing the offense than he turned out to be.
cos | 10:33 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Well just about every game this year I have left wondering, "can we play
any worse and still win?". The wyoming game brought us about as low as we
can go and still win. I dunno if it cain or winn, but whatever we need to do to
get it doing lets do it. Ill be honest I have seen very little from cain that
makes him any better than the typical MWC QBs. If Winn is better lets play him.
BTW, wheres the option? Whit do we still know how to run it?
Re Anon | 10:49 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Sounds good, but to miss lead players for the sake of winning. I don't buy
it.
Y fan | 10:51 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Good thing that Utah has Wynn( No don't call me an Ignorant BYU fan
'cause I watched the game) That was the almost turning point of the game
with the little trick play Wyoming had up their sleeve. Wynn may be better then
cain, BYU and UTAH is gonna be a showdown.
GO cougars
GO cougars
Anonymous | 10:54 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
While I can't help but feel for Cain, champions are made on the field, not
on stat books. While Cain statistically was having a good game, the drives were
stalling and things looked stagnant. I don't see why Cain can't be
used still in other capacities though, he's proven himself as an athlete
and could probably be great to use as a D-back, wide receiver, or running
back/option threat with some trick plays mingled in there. Having been at the
game though I think that it would be a good thing to get the experience and
mileage for Wynn. He seemed to have a pretty good grasp on the offense and made
some plays when he needed to.
Urban warfare | 11:07 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Re: "Talk about stabbing your QB in the back, can't believe
it"
Absurd comment. Urban Meyer benched Quinton Ganther after he fumbled. Most tough coaches do the same thing. Maybe Bronco gives you a hug at the fireside if you throw 5 interceptions but no coach worth his salt would.
Absurd comment. Urban Meyer benched Quinton Ganther after he fumbled. Most tough coaches do the same thing. Maybe Bronco gives you a hug at the fireside if you throw 5 interceptions but no coach worth his salt would.
QB controversy | 11:16 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
I expect to see Wynn play a lot this next week - otherwise, why burn his red
shirt year. I don't blame all the issues with the offense on Cain - the
play calling has been suspect as well.
I figure they will play Wynn this week for a good tune up against TCU in a couple of weeks. I still think we have a good shot at TCU - our defense will help keep us in it. It all depends on what our offense can do in the next few weeks.
I trust the coaches that they know what they are doing - I'm sure they have kept quite a few plays under wraps until now - they know they haven't had to really open it up until our last few games. It's always a work in progress.
To all these byu fans trying to talk smack about how this will hurt our recruiting etc.. just save it - you should be worried more about how your coach doesn't make any changes for any opponent.
Go Utes!!!
I figure they will play Wynn this week for a good tune up against TCU in a couple of weeks. I still think we have a good shot at TCU - our defense will help keep us in it. It all depends on what our offense can do in the next few weeks.
I trust the coaches that they know what they are doing - I'm sure they have kept quite a few plays under wraps until now - they know they haven't had to really open it up until our last few games. It's always a work in progress.
To all these byu fans trying to talk smack about how this will hurt our recruiting etc.. just save it - you should be worried more about how your coach doesn't make any changes for any opponent.
Go Utes!!!
Anonymous | 11:19 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Starting a true freshman on the road against a very fast TCU defense is very,
very stupid. Talk about throwing the kid into the fire. 1.5 games against wyo
and pitiful New Mexico cannot prepare the kid to compete against a team like
TCU. If the staff really wants to beat TCU and BYU they need to open up the
playbook to match the skills of Cain. He may not be able to throw the deep ball
often. He has been able to complete a few deep throws. If the coaches and the
o-line set up Cain for success he will find those deep receivers. Also, it
cannot be Cain's fault drives stall in the red zone. The deep ball is not
needed there. What is needed is better play calling and O-line play. More drives
stalled because of false starts on 3rd and 3 than sacks taken by Cain. The
coaching staff relied on being able to can Asiata run the wild ute in the red
zone. They haven't adapted the playbook since losing him for the year.
Good moves | 11:26 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Good teams make adjustments. They have to. The definition of insanity is doing
the same thing over and over again and expecting different results (ahem, BYU).
So if something isn't working, and clearly the offense wasn't clicking
in the first half, make the necessary changes. Whittingham said he brought
Schramm down on the field at halftime because he's a fiery guy and wanted
him to be able to look the players in the eye and get them going. Sounds like a
great move to me. Doesn't mean A-Rod is calling the plays now, he's
just in the booth making recommendations. Trust me folks, that first half was
UGLY. I was at the game and the boo-birds definitely came out. The fans
weren't happy, and I believe most Utah fans are fairly well educated, and
we could all see that changes needed to be made! Jordan Wynn came in, made some
good throws, Schramm opened up the offense (The pitch to Eddie Wade was a
fantastic call, by the way, haven't seen that all year), the defense played
inspired, and the end result was Utah won an ugly game.
What's Everybody Watching? | 11:56 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Eleven guys line up for each offensive play. Eleven. Cain or Wynn is just one
of eleven--likely the most important one, but just one.
Dumb penalties, missed blocks (Wide is a terrific runner but certainly not the blocker Asiata was), dropped passes, etc., are the problem.
If, somehow, Wynn brings more confidence to the other ten offensive players than Cain (which is hard to imagine the way Cain has played), then play Wynn.
But, best thing to do is get the offense "in synch" somehow. Send them to a sports psycologist or do some tean bonding or something.
It's not Cain's fault when the ball is snapped to no one.
It's not Cain's fault when a second and four becomes second and nine because of yet another false start penalty.
It's not Cain's fault when a simple blitz package isn't blocked, again.
I still think the Utes have excellent upside potential, but I like a battle-tested quarterback playing in Ft. Worth and Provo. Things will be a little different there.
There's only one week left to figure this out.
Go Utes!
Dumb penalties, missed blocks (Wide is a terrific runner but certainly not the blocker Asiata was), dropped passes, etc., are the problem.
If, somehow, Wynn brings more confidence to the other ten offensive players than Cain (which is hard to imagine the way Cain has played), then play Wynn.
But, best thing to do is get the offense "in synch" somehow. Send them to a sports psycologist or do some tean bonding or something.
It's not Cain's fault when the ball is snapped to no one.
It's not Cain's fault when a second and four becomes second and nine because of yet another false start penalty.
It's not Cain's fault when a simple blitz package isn't blocked, again.
I still think the Utes have excellent upside potential, but I like a battle-tested quarterback playing in Ft. Worth and Provo. Things will be a little different there.
There's only one week left to figure this out.
Go Utes!
Re: Too Bad | 12:16 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Too Bad that our best QB (Louks) is now at Nevada. The way this entire QB
situation was handled from the beginning is a mystery. How do you let a 2 year
contributor and great athelete like Louks leave your program for these 2
QB's? makes no sense.
Whit and Schramm made a bad decision this Spring with Louks and the offense is paying the price this year...and will likely be the same next year.
And it is already costing Schramm at least part of his job...
Whit and Schramm made a bad decision this Spring with Louks and the offense is paying the price this year...and will likely be the same next year.
And it is already costing Schramm at least part of his job...
Re what's everyone watching | 12:32 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Thank you for that good to see someone who thinks outside the box on here
Clueless... | 12:42 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
I'm surprised by a lot of the posts on this article. Utah is a top 15
program. Expectations are high and results speak for themselves. Coach Whit
encourages competition, and frankly, the best player will play. The worst thing
you can do is have entitled players, leave that to the pros.
If you've watched more than one Utah game this year its obvious the offense is stagnant and bland. Especially in the red zone and on third downs. I do place a lot of blame on the OC for predictable and limited playcalling, but Cain is just not going through his progression effectively, and seems scared to death to take shots down field.
To me this is an identity issue for the Utes, realize what weapons you have. You have a great running back in Wide, forget the wildcat. You have a super talented receiver corp. You don't need a running quarter back, far from it. You need a QB that will get the ball in the hands of the playmakers, pure and simple. Wynn, I think, seems better suited to do exactly that. I don't care if runs at all.
If you've watched more than one Utah game this year its obvious the offense is stagnant and bland. Especially in the red zone and on third downs. I do place a lot of blame on the OC for predictable and limited playcalling, but Cain is just not going through his progression effectively, and seems scared to death to take shots down field.
To me this is an identity issue for the Utes, realize what weapons you have. You have a great running back in Wide, forget the wildcat. You have a super talented receiver corp. You don't need a running quarter back, far from it. You need a QB that will get the ball in the hands of the playmakers, pure and simple. Wynn, I think, seems better suited to do exactly that. I don't care if runs at all.
re: 12:16PM | 1:57 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Are you kidding? Louks isn't even good enough to play QB at NEVADA!
He's transferring as a safety. He had every opportunity to win the job,
and showed he's not a DI QB. Not even a WAC team thinks he is!
Louks was an even worse passer down the field than Cain. You really think the offense would be ticking with him? Do you watch football? Our offense would have to morph into the triple-option so Louks didn't have to throw ever.
Try watching football before commenting on it.
Louks was an even worse passer down the field than Cain. You really think the offense would be ticking with him? Do you watch football? Our offense would have to morph into the triple-option so Louks didn't have to throw ever.
Try watching football before commenting on it.
re: What's everybody watching | 2:02 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
I agree with you somewhat. But I would ask were you watching the second half on
Saturday? A true freshman came into the game to take his first snaps, and the
Wyoming defense adjusted before he threw a pass. The secondary played back a
few extra yards, and the linebackers had to take deeper drops to fill passing
lanes down the field.
That is one of the reasons Cain was benched. There was not even the threat of a deep passing game. Cain couldn't throw a simple curl or out route due to his lack of arm strength. The only routes he could throw were short slants and screens.
Not to mention he leads the nation in QB fumbles.
No question there are other issues on offense. The O-Line has been disappointing all year. WR's still drop too many balls. But this move had to happen, and should have happend sooner. Wynn opens the field for everyone else.
It was Cain's fault that he refused to throw balls away, and took unnecessary sacks. It was Cain's fault that he never went past his first WR option on any play.
That is one of the reasons Cain was benched. There was not even the threat of a deep passing game. Cain couldn't throw a simple curl or out route due to his lack of arm strength. The only routes he could throw were short slants and screens.
Not to mention he leads the nation in QB fumbles.
No question there are other issues on offense. The O-Line has been disappointing all year. WR's still drop too many balls. But this move had to happen, and should have happend sooner. Wynn opens the field for everyone else.
It was Cain's fault that he refused to throw balls away, and took unnecessary sacks. It was Cain's fault that he never went past his first WR option on any play.
Bear | 3:20 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Concerning hurt feelings and QB's possibly leaving,since when did college
football become a little league affair where we don't let anyone get hurt
feelings? Whit puts the best players he can, in his learned opinion, on the
field to win the game. 7 and 1 speak for his judgement. Who is worried about
TCU and a game that is several weeks away? If Wynn is the guy for New Mexico
and can get us to 8-1, do it. Bottom line is that Coach has a much better grasp
of judging players and fielding a team than any of us do...let's buy
tickets for next Saturday and see what happens.
Re: re Whats Everybody Watching? | 5:18 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Wynn did a nice job. But...
He threw two passes that could easily have been intercepted--one that should have been returned for a touchdown. I wonder what everybody would have been saying right now if Wyoming had returned a pick-six?
And, the Utes have picked up the pace in every second half this season. Don't ask me why, but they have. Seems to me that Cain would have benefitted from playing with the "Second half Utes" the same way Wynn did.
On the other hand, I can't explain Cain's inability to hold onto the ball or throw the ball away rather than be sacked. I also can't explain why he struggles with the read-option--although the did a much better job Saturday than the week before. And, he doesn't typically look past his first read.
So, yeah, I was watching the game and I'm not really arguing for either of the two QBs. They are both very good and have huge upside potential.
But, things will be different in Ft. Worth and Provo. I hope one of the two is up to it.
Go Utes!
He threw two passes that could easily have been intercepted--one that should have been returned for a touchdown. I wonder what everybody would have been saying right now if Wyoming had returned a pick-six?
And, the Utes have picked up the pace in every second half this season. Don't ask me why, but they have. Seems to me that Cain would have benefitted from playing with the "Second half Utes" the same way Wynn did.
On the other hand, I can't explain Cain's inability to hold onto the ball or throw the ball away rather than be sacked. I also can't explain why he struggles with the read-option--although the did a much better job Saturday than the week before. And, he doesn't typically look past his first read.
So, yeah, I was watching the game and I'm not really arguing for either of the two QBs. They are both very good and have huge upside potential.
But, things will be different in Ft. Worth and Provo. I hope one of the two is up to it.
Go Utes!
Conservative playcalling=Cain | 5:26 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
All blogs have good comments. I believe pooring coaching and poor play calling
have led to the change in coaches and QBs after halftime. Opponents have
tailored their off/def play calling to the Utes game plans. They've
studied and prepared for pretty mmuch every play the Utes draft up, because it
is the same plays over and over and over again. No thing new or different, the
same, and how you can win games knowing the opponents know what you are going to
run. The Utes have tailored their conservative play calling to the athletes
ability on the field. Primarily the QB. It is evident Cain does not have an
arm and has not, thrown many short passes or deep balls, however if he runs a
draw play, look out. Wynn, not as mobile, but strong arm. Hit five different
receivers during the second half of the game as if they were open all along,
only negative, possible thrown interceptions. As of right now, these close
victories are killing me and if we expect to win, we can't let a close game
be a loss like the AF. I say start Wynn unless he starts screwing up.
Mike Johnson Fallon NV | 6:08 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
I am sorry that Wynn lost his redshirt year. But, it is good for him to get
game experience in case he is needed.
However, what sparked the offense in the second half was not the change of quarterback, but the starting position. All five of Cain's drives started inside the 20 (3 inside the 10). The worst starting position for Wynn was on the 30. It is a lot easier for the offense to get going, if it is starting from near mid-field, like Wynn did four times. Wyoming had the reverse, with all first half drives starting beyond the 20 and all 2nd half drives starting at or short of the 20.
Cain had better pasing numbers (except for the touchdown). He twice drove from inside the 20, into field goal range (Wyo 26 both times), but only one field goal attempt was successful--that wasn't Cain's fault. Cain's drives averaged slightly more (32.2 yards) than Wynn's (32.0).
The defense played well the entire game.
However, what sparked the offense in the second half was not the change of quarterback, but the starting position. All five of Cain's drives started inside the 20 (3 inside the 10). The worst starting position for Wynn was on the 30. It is a lot easier for the offense to get going, if it is starting from near mid-field, like Wynn did four times. Wyoming had the reverse, with all first half drives starting beyond the 20 and all 2nd half drives starting at or short of the 20.
Cain had better pasing numbers (except for the touchdown). He twice drove from inside the 20, into field goal range (Wyo 26 both times), but only one field goal attempt was successful--that wasn't Cain's fault. Cain's drives averaged slightly more (32.2 yards) than Wynn's (32.0).
The defense played well the entire game.
re: 12:16 pm | 6:27 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
So I watch football and here is what I see.
Louks stats last 2 years.....9-15. O interceptions, 2 TD's and passer rating of 185. Admittedly, not many chances but performs when asked to.
60 rushes-392 yards. 6.6 average 4 TD's
Spring game 22-33 for 322 yards and 3 TD's. Cain/Wynn combine 21-31 for 271 and 1 TD.
OK you can point out a couple fumbles here I guess.
But don't say he can't throw the ball.
Looks like he took advantage of every opportunity...And you put this guy as 3rd string and suggest he play defense a week before the season???? What a screw job.....
Louks stats last 2 years.....9-15. O interceptions, 2 TD's and passer rating of 185. Admittedly, not many chances but performs when asked to.
60 rushes-392 yards. 6.6 average 4 TD's
Spring game 22-33 for 322 yards and 3 TD's. Cain/Wynn combine 21-31 for 271 and 1 TD.
OK you can point out a couple fumbles here I guess.
But don't say he can't throw the ball.
Looks like he took advantage of every opportunity...And you put this guy as 3rd string and suggest he play defense a week before the season???? What a screw job.....
From what I saw | 11:01 p.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Wynn should start. Now, whether Wynn plays that way every game remains to be
seen. If Cain wants to remain on the top, then he needs to step it up a notch
on the offense. We'll see what happens.
re: 6:27PM | 8:26 a.m. Nov. 3, 2009
Utah didn't have to say anything about Louks ability to be a DI QB. And
average team in the WAC (basically the JV of college football) has taken Louks
as a transfer to play..........SAFETY!!!!!
So please explain to us how Louks getting turned down by Utah and Nevada as a QB is a screw job?
So please explain to us how Louks getting turned down by Utah and Nevada as a QB is a screw job?
Wynn 2 Win | 7:36 a.m. Nov. 4, 2009
If Witt wants to continue to make his breaks he should bench Cain, he is
extremely weak in leadership and the long ball, other teams see it on film, they
play the O so tight that we don’t have the balance of good run and pass
game. Witt should learn from Pete Carroll, he started a freshman (unpopular by
fans at the season start) and now has a great future Q for four years.
Apparently Cain and Wynn were neck and neck with 2 days before the season start,
if you have 2 Q’s that close why are you not starting the freshman? You
have a 2 year bonus with that choice.
A-Rod vs. Schram | 6:23 p.m. Nov. 8, 2009
When is the last time anyone has hailed an OC? No matter who is calling the
plays, unless they get 7 points every time they have the ball, the OC is a
marked man by the fans. Schram is a great coach, but he doesn't know the
offense as well as A-Rod. Whit was just covering his tracks by talking about
Schram's "intensity" on the sideline. Look at what A-Rod did at
SUU. "Southern Utah ranked No. 21 in the nation in total offense in 2004,
averaging 412.5 yards per game. The Thunderbirds also averaged 270.5 passing
yards per game (14th in the nation) to set a new school passing record."
(from Utah's own website)
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I suppose the offense was a little more motivated, especially the line, with Wynn in the game, but Cain is clearly the better player.
Had he played in the second half, Utah would still have won by about the same margin.
Wynn on the road will be scary.
I vote for Cain to start the next game. The coaches had better be careful or they will lose their best player.