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Utah Jazz, Sloan appear headed for extension
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No More Sloan Please | 3:02 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
I'm totally sick of Sloan. This year, we'll get the 8th spot in the
playoffs again and get booted in the 1st round - this is what the Millers seem
to settle on. Please, someone else buy the Jazz and fire Sloan.
Go Home Jerry | 7:03 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Pleeeaaasssssse . . . .stop Greg Miller from offering Sloan another contract.
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THEeyepatch | 7:12 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Why not just make him "coach for life". 0 Titles, he's gone this
far and never won anything. Popovich who has won something like 4 Titles and is
the second longest tenured NBA coach. Who cares, Jerry wants to make his record
so hard to reach nobody ever will come close..... until Sloan retires and the
next (who ever that may be) Jazz coach goes for the record. Good to see
mediocrity is still alive a well in Utah.
Anonymous | 7:51 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Please no. just in my nightmare could happen.
Sloan has strengths and | 8:02 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
weaknesses.
1. He seems to be experimenting more with combinations. They don't always work but he is trying to play match ups and keep the best combinations on the floor. He deserves credit.
2. He is slow to develop players but he is good at taking low round players and turning them into decent players. But his projects cap the progress of the Jazz as they are still flawed but average (sometimes above) players.
3. There needs to be more players with athletic ability. The Jazz are to slow. Sloan has a bias in favor of work ethic over talent.
4. He is not a very good game coach. He could call more timeouts. Sometimes he refuses to adjust when he should.
5. His bias against using the outside shot as a weapon hurts the Jazz. If he recruited players who could shoot and designed plays for them the outside efficiency would go up.
6. He has more game experience than any other coach. However, his biases prevent him from adapting and innovating when he should.
7. If he ever gets the right combination of players he may win a ring.
8. His player management needs improvement.
1. He seems to be experimenting more with combinations. They don't always work but he is trying to play match ups and keep the best combinations on the floor. He deserves credit.
2. He is slow to develop players but he is good at taking low round players and turning them into decent players. But his projects cap the progress of the Jazz as they are still flawed but average (sometimes above) players.
3. There needs to be more players with athletic ability. The Jazz are to slow. Sloan has a bias in favor of work ethic over talent.
4. He is not a very good game coach. He could call more timeouts. Sometimes he refuses to adjust when he should.
5. His bias against using the outside shot as a weapon hurts the Jazz. If he recruited players who could shoot and designed plays for them the outside efficiency would go up.
6. He has more game experience than any other coach. However, his biases prevent him from adapting and innovating when he should.
7. If he ever gets the right combination of players he may win a ring.
8. His player management needs improvement.
Retire Jerry | 8:11 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
No more Jerry, please.
Jazzfan in Philly | 8:14 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Why?
OH, | 8:14 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Same old storyline | 9:07 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
different year.
fossil | 9:46 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
that would be bad news to keep grumpy old sloan. he is go grumpy he complains
even when the jazz win. bring horny to coach or be a assistant coach. sloan is
bad..........................
risky | 9:48 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
My favorite Jazzman: Jerry Sloan
Season Ticket Holder | 9:48 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
If this happens I will not renew and I know of about 30 others that won't.
Give me a break. More of it's the players fault not mine because I
don't know how to coach defense, or I don't know how to substitute, or
my language is so bad that nobody can sit within 40 yards of me. I will do it
and hopefully everyone will send a message to miller and o'conner that they
won't put up with it anymore. Go to the farm and yell at the cows and
leave the development of young players to someone from this century
BJ/Orem | 9:57 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
I am so tired of your constant complaints about Coach Sloan. If any one of you
has been a coach for 20 years, or in the Hall of Fame - then YOU have a right to
criticize. Otherwise - find something else to do with your time - and find
another team to support.
Miles | 10:16 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Jerry return to the farm and plow the field with a horse. Just the way you
coach the team, old school.
Calgary Jazz | 10:28 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
wow, I thought Greg Miller at least will have balls to end this dinosaur era in
Utah. Jazz will never ever win NBA with Sloan as a coach. He is outdated, to
stubborn to change and just doesn't have it. Obviously Jazz management is
just happy to sell tickets, make playoffs and make some profit. Winning it all
is not their preference for sure. That's why Boozer is still stinking for
the Jazz, that's why Sloan is still there. Any coach with self respect
would have retired after last years debacle. Not mister Sloan, he thinks it was
not his fault obviously...Where is his favorite players from last year Knight,
Collins? Out of NBA right! Time for him to follow!!!
RE: BJ/Orem | 10:29 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
BJ- I am with you, but don't try arguing with these "fans" that
are so ignorant and know nothing about basketball. I, and others like yourself,
have tried but blindness cannot be corrected. Just know that we sane people,
who respect what our hall of fame coach provides, simply choose to sit quietly
and let the cry babies whine about Sloan being the problem. Ignore the moronic
rantings and take solace in the fact that Sloan will be here to guide the team
despite the senseless and brainless ruminations of an uninformed minority.
Anonymous | 10:41 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Play Fess only few minutes in the first game showing Sloan weakness. He only
plays those so-called benched players when he was forced to play them because of
he injury of other players.
Indian Joe | 10:45 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
The Suns felt the same way a few years ago and let D'Antoni go, because
they wanted to stop being a running team and decided to make a coaching change.
What happened? The Suns went down hill fast, fired the coach and hired a coach
that was with D'Antoni and they started to run the same plays that
D'Antoni was running.
My prediction for this year is that the Jazz will be in the 3rd Spot and the reason will be Sloan, because D-Will, believes in this system and the others will follow.
Go Jazz!
My prediction for this year is that the Jazz will be in the 3rd Spot and the reason will be Sloan, because D-Will, believes in this system and the others will follow.
Go Jazz!
todd to re" bj/orem" | 10:58 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
"Minority"?
huh?
huh?
Actual Jazz Fan | 11:32 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
It's amazing to me that most of the comments on this article are calling
for Jerry Sloan's retirement and not expressing the relief that knowing
he'll be back should create. Wait, nope, these are Utah "sports
fans", so on second thought I'm not at all surprised. These are the
same fans who act as though Karl Malone did them harm taking one last shot at a
title in LA after carrying this franchise on his shoulders for two decades. So,
I guess this really isn't surprising.
To Season Ticket Holder: I doubt Greg Miller is worried about your threat. Even if you and your 30 buddies don't renew as a result of this, he's losing far less business than he will when Jerry leaves and the franchise spends 3 or 4 seasons in the lottery as a result. I'm not worried either because I only manage to go see a couple games each season and I'd much rather not sit in the company of "fans" like you.
I hope Jerry keeps coaching until he has to ride a Jazzie along the sidelines, good to know he's coming back.
To Season Ticket Holder: I doubt Greg Miller is worried about your threat. Even if you and your 30 buddies don't renew as a result of this, he's losing far less business than he will when Jerry leaves and the franchise spends 3 or 4 seasons in the lottery as a result. I'm not worried either because I only manage to go see a couple games each season and I'd much rather not sit in the company of "fans" like you.
I hope Jerry keeps coaching until he has to ride a Jazzie along the sidelines, good to know he's coming back.
Anonymous | 11:33 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Look at Bronco football team. Mike Shanahan was there for more than 10 years
with two championships. When he was fired, a lot of fans were moaning because
they have the same questions that jazz fans here has had--who will be a better
replacement? Look at them now. The jazz needs changes, start from coaching
sfaff.
Jazz 1 | 11:40 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Wouldn't it be great to know if the critics of Jerry Sloan played past High
School or College. Pro basketabll is much different and it takes an experienced
person like Jerry to know this. Thanks to the Millers for knowing this and not
hiring someone like "Pitino" to run our Jazz.
todd from santa ana | 12:01 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Lets take a serious note of this for a moment...
There is a lot to this that gets overlooked, not thought out and not analyzed which supercedes all other comments.
I respect Jerry and his accomplishments with basketball and has said worthy Hall of Fame and he should be there.
Having said that, yes I feel it is time very soon for a change.
The issue that "changed all of this" was the luck or bad luck that 2009 was the year he and Stock got voted in together at Springfield, MA
Outside of end of this season coercing Jerry to retire, now they have no choice but basically say
"you have basically a lifetime contract until you leave,
See Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno.
Reasons are obvious"
In the world it is right thing to respect your elders and the NBA fraternity, media, coaches, gms scouts-a lot of them are from 60s, 70s, 80s
If O Connor and Millers "fired" Jer and the "sloanaholics"
1) Lot of media would rip them all over the country Audio, and Video
2) other gms likely would not trade with O Connor even worse
3) 5k season ticker holders walk
There is a lot to this that gets overlooked, not thought out and not analyzed which supercedes all other comments.
I respect Jerry and his accomplishments with basketball and has said worthy Hall of Fame and he should be there.
Having said that, yes I feel it is time very soon for a change.
The issue that "changed all of this" was the luck or bad luck that 2009 was the year he and Stock got voted in together at Springfield, MA
Outside of end of this season coercing Jerry to retire, now they have no choice but basically say
"you have basically a lifetime contract until you leave,
See Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno.
Reasons are obvious"
In the world it is right thing to respect your elders and the NBA fraternity, media, coaches, gms scouts-a lot of them are from 60s, 70s, 80s
If O Connor and Millers "fired" Jer and the "sloanaholics"
1) Lot of media would rip them all over the country Audio, and Video
2) other gms likely would not trade with O Connor even worse
3) 5k season ticker holders walk
I have absolutly no problem | 12:38 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009
with replacing Sloan or any player as long as the replacement is better.
Sloan is pretty good. Who can take this team and get more wins out of it? There are a few coaches but they are all well paid at decent teams. Why would they want to move to Utah and replace Sloan's system?
I think management is afraid to replace Sloan's system. It is like a security blanket. It provides playoff teams (not championships).
I would give Stockton a try when Sloan goes.
Sloan's continuity argument irritates me a lot (with several other quirks). He is right, continuity will give more wins. It will not fix the problems that make the Jazz mediocre.
That seems to be the problem. Sloan is unwilling to take the risks and make the changes that are necessary.
SA is cut throat. They will use your last drop of blood and then kick you out. Utah is based on family. Players are family. They are nurtured. They are over paid. They are kept past their usefulness.
Utah can't move up. It's culture is based on winning enough not winning it all.
Sloan is pretty good. Who can take this team and get more wins out of it? There are a few coaches but they are all well paid at decent teams. Why would they want to move to Utah and replace Sloan's system?
I think management is afraid to replace Sloan's system. It is like a security blanket. It provides playoff teams (not championships).
I would give Stockton a try when Sloan goes.
Sloan's continuity argument irritates me a lot (with several other quirks). He is right, continuity will give more wins. It will not fix the problems that make the Jazz mediocre.
That seems to be the problem. Sloan is unwilling to take the risks and make the changes that are necessary.
SA is cut throat. They will use your last drop of blood and then kick you out. Utah is based on family. Players are family. They are nurtured. They are over paid. They are kept past their usefulness.
Utah can't move up. It's culture is based on winning enough not winning it all.
Magee | 12:48 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009
1,000 wins with one team is pretty incredible. As one former Utah Jazz shooting
guard said "When you do the math, that is 20 years of 50 win seasons."
I can't think of anybody with a better resume that would lead the Jazz to a
championship. Coaches with 1,000 wins under their belt don't grow on trees.
That the Jazz won 48 games last year with all of the injuries and off-court
issues is a credit to Sloan's coaching abilities.
absolutely2 | 12:50 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009
There is small progress. The Jazz have decided to move beyond Boozer. They are
taking their time but they are moving on. It is out of character with them but
Greg seems more progressive about player management than Larry.
I disagreed with overpaying Millsap but if Sloan can turn him into an effective 3/4 tweener then he is worth it. The Jazz need to sign Fez and Koufos to longer term cheap contracts before their value goes up.
They may or may not replace Korver and Brewer. However, the fan base is well aware that the wings are deficient.
Part of the reluctance for change comes from the idea that it takes years to learn the Sloan system.
The real question is whether the Jazz should keep the Sloan system or do something new? Sloan, Stockton and maybe the assistants know Sloan's system. The rest of the country uses one of 4 major approaches depending on players and coaching preferences.
That is why the Jazz win in the regular season with the system but lose in the playoffs. Other teams do not adjust much for the Jazz until the playoffs. Then they exploit the weaknesses and win.
I disagreed with overpaying Millsap but if Sloan can turn him into an effective 3/4 tweener then he is worth it. The Jazz need to sign Fez and Koufos to longer term cheap contracts before their value goes up.
They may or may not replace Korver and Brewer. However, the fan base is well aware that the wings are deficient.
Part of the reluctance for change comes from the idea that it takes years to learn the Sloan system.
The real question is whether the Jazz should keep the Sloan system or do something new? Sloan, Stockton and maybe the assistants know Sloan's system. The rest of the country uses one of 4 major approaches depending on players and coaching preferences.
That is why the Jazz win in the regular season with the system but lose in the playoffs. Other teams do not adjust much for the Jazz until the playoffs. Then they exploit the weaknesses and win.
BB Fan | 1:01 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009
1 losing season in 20+ yrs, let's get rid of him. He has been able to do
things with avg. players and keep the team winning. Popovich has 4 titles, he
also had 2 No.1 draft picks in the past 20 years. All Sloan naysayers need to
come to grips with the way the NBA works, 8 different teams in 30 years have won
titles, Lakers, Celtics, Rockets, Pistons, Bulls, 76ers(1), Spurs, Heat(1). Can
we see a trend here? A good team that makes the playoffs and gets to the 2 round
or conf finals is the way it's supposed to be. Not Sloan's fault.
EB | 3:06 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Thanks BJ and the rest of you who are smart enough to speak up for Sloan. Sloan
is a very smart guy. He really does not care what the rest of us think. He is
just doing his job. I would not trade him for any active coach. And I am
pretty sure that the very private Stockton wants no part of the nightmare of
being an NBA couch.
Most of the people.... | 4:40 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009
...that are intelligent enough to know how good of a coach Jerry is, have more
important things to do than post on the Deseret News all day long!
BigJazzFan | 5:22 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009
What is point of winning another 50 games give or take and losing in the
playoffs again?
what is the point?
Yes I would being the lottery for 2 or 3 years if it meant gettting the players you NEEED to win a championship.
all sloan has realy accomplished is whatever is good for the franchise, business wise.
If it is about winning enough to keep selling tickets and t-shirts, then sloan is great,
if it about winning championships, sloan is bad.
what is the point?
Yes I would being the lottery for 2 or 3 years if it meant gettting the players you NEEED to win a championship.
all sloan has realy accomplished is whatever is good for the franchise, business wise.
If it is about winning enough to keep selling tickets and t-shirts, then sloan is great,
if it about winning championships, sloan is bad.
Misses # 12 | 10:12 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009
I cannot believe the comments I read about Jerry Sloan. He is the reason the
Jazz have won every year but one the last 20 years. Once you get in the lottery
for more than one year you never get out. Ask the Clippers, Grizzlies,
T-Wolves, GS, and now the Kings. This is Salt Lake. No Max contract free agent
ever comes here. No matter who is coaching. Have 3 straight losing seasons,
then see how many season tickets you sell.
Jason Berntson | 1:46 a.m. Nov. 1, 2009
Man, Sloan is such a terrible coach. Did you know that there was this one time
that he had a losing season? Just awful!
re:jason berntson | 11:20 a.m. Nov. 1, 2009
You got it. And he uses naughty language, too. I am too sensitive to hear it.
He just needs to go.
Hey Jerry ES Has A Job | 8:00 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
If you don't want to go back to Indiana and run the farm with your
tractors, Energy Solutions will hire you out on the west desert and include a
big new shiny John Deere that has a front and rear blade to knock down trash
piles. How about that?
Rich | 8:34 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
Has any won so often with so few top-tier players? Probably not. Sloan had
Malone, who scored lots of points but, unlike Bird, West, Jabbar, Magic and
Michael, Stockton or any of the other top 15 all time greats, failed to excel
under pressure. And Sloan had Stockton, whose selection in the first round of
the draft caused Jazz fans to boo the team's brass. And he has Williams
now, who has yet to make an All Star game but surely will before all is said and
done. Other than that, Sloan has made do with a hodgepodge of unlikely
performers, including many rejects from other teams and second round draft
choices. Give me one coach who has done more with less. You can't. Now,
if you were to get rid of Sloan, who do you think you'll end up with?
Answer: Not Popovich, Jackson, Riley or even Mike Brown or any of the perennial
winners. You would end up with Eric Musselman or Scott Brooks or somebody along
those lines -- an unproven question mark. Is that really what you want?
Seriously when Sloan quits, Layden or Johnson or another assistant will take
over.
Re? Actual Jazz fan and BJ. | 9:08 a.m. Nov. 2, 2009
So you guys really believe that Jerry is not an egomaniac that coaches to feed
his ego and tear players down. IF you are an actual fan you would look at his
substitution patterns for the last 22 years and know he doesn't know when
to sub or who to sub in key situations. When he is gone we will not dip but
explode. Put Phil in charge and things will go through the roof. Every time
sloan gets dumped the team plays for phil. If you only go to 3 or 4 games a
year how can you call yourself a fan. If you don't buy season tickets how
can you call yourself a fan. I do and so I have a right to say Fire Sloan. His
time is done. My money helps pay his salary so I do have that right.
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