Comments about ‘Chamber boss favors increasing some taxes’

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Published: Friday, Oct. 30 2009 12:59 a.m. MDT

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Tax the government

Well MR. Lane Beattie how about we tax your paycheck by 20 to 40% and see how you like your taxes increased???

grits

why in heavens name would you raise taxes in utah we are so under paid in utah its a poverty state children our moving out of state for better pay.We claim to be a family state,but children of family,s are leaving.

Dave

"Tax the Government" comments are symptomatic of many of the public's simplistic concepts. "The Government" is us! What makes the commenter thing that Lane's paycheck is not taxed the same as everyone else's paycheck. The comment reminds me of the Bill Cosby episode when Bill's daughter brought home her first paycheck and was surprised to discover that witholdings had been taken from her gross pay. When Bill explained that the witholdings went to pay for roads, military protection, etc. etc. her response was "I thought the government paid for all that." It seems we have raised an entire generation of economic imbeciles.

Cameron

I was at this forum. I too was interested to hear Mr. Beattie advocate a wide array of tax increases. But Gov Bangerter also said that he doesn't think Utah can take a general tax increase. He told the story of when he was governor and polling said Utahans wanted higher taxes to pay for education. But when he raised taxes he saw his approval rating drop from 75% to 41%. It took him 2 years to get it back over 50% and win reelection.

Nickle and dimed to death

Why do we continue to nickle and dime ourselves to death with fees and other backdoor taxes instead of just raising taxes?

We have a horrific shortfall and as hard as it is to take, we need to raise taxes to get us through this economic downturn.

Make the tax increase valid for one year and assess how we are at that time.

No One of Consequence

**"It's common sense," Beattie told reporters after his presentation to about 50 lawmakers and others gathered for the forum. "When you're a billion dollars short, it's got to come from somewhere."**

Beattie wouldn't know common sense if it bit him. You don't raise taxes in a slow economy - the people don't have more to give. It's time to trim down government expenses and activities.

If 10% is good enough for God, why is it that government wants so much more than that?

Commoner

Simple solution, we identify all government programs. Each week we vote for our favorite program. The bottom 100 million dollars in programs get voted off the budget each week until we balance the budget. It works in the "real" world, it ought to work in the fantasy land up on the hill.

Cameron Glade

I think what Mr. Beattie was really expressing is that there are a number of potential solutions to balance the budget–and the business community is willing to look at alternatives and everything should be on the table.

Our legislators face difficult decisions as they balance the budget (as they are required to do) and I'm glad to see that we're not leaving them hanging without support and input from the business community--a group that has plenty of expertise when it comes to making sound financial decisions.

Those who were at the presentation know that the Chamber has not fully formulated a detailed plan but is still in the planning stages–prudently looking at various options. To say the Chamber supports tax increases is getting ahead of the organization.

I'm waiting to hear the Chamber’s real proposal and appreciate a group working toward a solution. The Chamber deserves our thanks, not a premature attack before they can even lay out their plan.

No such thing

No such thing as a temporary tax increase.

I remember being shocked when sales taxes went over 4%. Now we will see them go to 7%. If anyone thinks they will go back down, think again.

No shortfalls.

This is ludicrous mentality.

Instead of calling it a shortfall, just think of it as the new tax base they have to work with and forget about raising taxes to maintain what they had in the past. The legislators should look in to canceling and eliminating some existing programs no longer supportable by government. Many of Utah's cities and state programs were created in windfall tax years with the understanding that nothing is permanent.

Sure, some government workers would lose jobs but that's part of the economics system in the national trends. There's a reason for the reduced amount of taxes the state has to work with and they must adjust to this new level of operating capital called taxes. This mindset of local governments must change with the times and what they have to work with.

The legislators approved most non government welfare and social programs and they can surely repeal and abolish them as well so we can have a good functioning government. It's why we have this form of government, it's ability to adjust and run itself with reasonable taxation with what is available in a depressed economy.

re Dave

Well, now that they have eroded our tax base with their gift giving, we find ourselves unable to meet our expenses. It's time to reverse those tax base destroying revenue reductions (including the sales tax on food) and put our state back in the black. If the legislature hadn't been so eager to buy votes and had used the surpluses wisely by investing in education and/or putting more aside for a rainy day we wouldn't be in this predicament.

NO NEW TAXES

CUT, Cut, and Cut again before considering any additional tax. Cig tax, fine. Sales tax hike on food, fine. Severance tax on coal, fine. BUT stop there!

wallofvoodoo

Blatent tax on the middle class. If the Dems did this, they would be lambasted by the Republicans.

Stan the Man

Another business "lap dog" group proposing tax increases on individuals. There are plenty of tax exemptions and other tax incentatives given to business that can and should be removed.

Do what we have to do

The government must cut its "services." If there is a shortfall, then our leaders need to do what we have to do in our own homes--CUT BACK! Sure the dependent class is going to scream. My kids are complaining because we don't live the way we used to when we had money too. So what... let em scream.

We personally are dealing with our own shortfalls. And now you want to make it harder by adding to the cost of fuel and food? Just keep squeezing and you will see a revolt like you've never seen. STOP IT ALREADY!

Dave II

What is Mr. Beatties Salary? He will make it through with hardly a noticable drop in net pay. Take a look at the people hurt most by taxes! Mr Beattie just shrugs this off as he did as a member of the legislature. The people do not matter! When the income for people drops, they have to cut back. The government should do the same, but it is easier to raise taxes and destroy people.

car doc

tax soda and ice cream. problem solved.

DH

Making it more difficult for the average citizen to survive is not the way to get us out of this mess. My income has decreased because of this slowing economy and as a result I have had to cut back on what I enjoy to balance my budget. I expect the same thing from government, responsible spending.

It is wrong for the elected politicians to believe that they can always spend the way they want to. I don't care whether we are talking about education or not. Sometimes the money we want to spend is not there and we must be more cautious in how we spend what we have. To suggest that this means government has the right to just raise taxes is wrong!

Help me ...

figure this out. Herbert put Bangerter in charge of finding out how to optimize state tax money. Isn't that like turning Bill Clinton loose in a sorority house or Sadam Obama in Air Force One? I have been following Gov. Herbert very closely and have been very impressed by his positions and stands. I applaud him on his desire (and fulfillment, I hope) of not increasing taxes for his first budget. I'm just afraid that, with time and associating with career politicians, he too will get caught up in the governmental tax-and-spend mentality. He needs to work with people that have and hold the same conservative beliefs and values that he has.

Mike

As a state employee working at the Dept of Administration Services, I believe that we need to cut State programs and trim budgets. Why should Govt not be trimmed when business and free enterprise has to be cut? The State of Utah is fairly efficient but we could easily cut 10% across the board and still provide decent services. In fact the Dept of Technology Services (DTS) could easily cut 20-30% without affecting their services (a lot of waste in that division).

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