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College football: Utah teams have plenty to play for
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THEeyepatch | 6:24 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
In other words.......... the "who cares" bowl.
y fan | 6:44 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Looks like Utah who were giving us a bad time about going to the Las Vegas bowl
are gonna eat their own words
SUU | 7:36 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
it will be sad if SUU's 1 pt loss to Cal Poly ends up being the reason to
not win the conference title.
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WSU dream scenario | 7:37 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
dont forget becoming out-right champion and not a share.
Cougarf@n | 7:38 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
The MWC bowl arrangements are such that the second half of the season (besides
the TCU/Utah game) doesn't really matter. Unless Utah beats TCU, the best
case scenario for BYU and Utah is the same as the worst (poinsettia, vegas).
If the MWC actually had ties to anything but third tier bowls there might be something to play for besides a BCS game. You'd think with two or three top-25 teams in any given year, the MWC could land a top 20 bowl. Not so. Of the 36 bowl games slated through 2011, our champion goes to a bowl in a four way tie for 21st in bowl payouts. It's well behind the payouts of such prestigious bowls as the Insight, Music City, Liberty, Alamo, Dallas Football bowl, and forthcoming Yankee Bowl. Thompson has failed miserably in negotiating decent bowl game tie-ins. The Holiday Bowl recently renegotiated its contracts, but we're signing four year deals with vegas. Ridiculous.
If the MWC actually had ties to anything but third tier bowls there might be something to play for besides a BCS game. You'd think with two or three top-25 teams in any given year, the MWC could land a top 20 bowl. Not so. Of the 36 bowl games slated through 2011, our champion goes to a bowl in a four way tie for 21st in bowl payouts. It's well behind the payouts of such prestigious bowls as the Insight, Music City, Liberty, Alamo, Dallas Football bowl, and forthcoming Yankee Bowl. Thompson has failed miserably in negotiating decent bowl game tie-ins. The Holiday Bowl recently renegotiated its contracts, but we're signing four year deals with vegas. Ridiculous.
T Birds Rising | 8:01 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Bold prediction from Cedar: T Birds win out, take a share of the conference
title, and get an at large berth in the FCS playoffs. What Coach Lamb and this
squad have done at SUU is nothing short of a miracle. The town is abuzz with T
Bird Fever!
To "y fan" | 8:16 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
The reason why we gave you a bad time about going to "THE VEG"
(curteous of austin collie) is because it was the 4th time in a row going there,
while we were headed to the Sugar Bowl. A bowl in which BYU would kill for. Why
the heck would Utah "eat our words" when coming off such a great
season with new coaches, lost amazing DB's, and our senior QB only to
finish 2nd in the MWC and head to Vegas?? You tell me that, Mr. Y Fan.
Meanwhile, you still have a good season but not good enough to get you where you
really want to go....the BCS. Just get used to watching all the other teams that
are better than you do the busting, cuz you aint gettin' there any time
soon!
Utah girl am I
Utah girl am I
LaVar the Utah Cat | 9:34 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Ever wonder why BYU fans, later on in the season - after reality sets in, only
make derogatory comments about the Utes? Is it because of their burst bubble
re: the Cougars? Wouldn't you think that the "chosen ones" would
act better in working out their disappointment?
Burrrr! | 10:03 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
"Revenge is a dish best served cold." It is going to be chilly for
the coogs in Boise this year. Can't wait to see you guys get jobbed by the
WAC.
re: y fan | 10:13 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Utah and TCU were the 1st and 2nd place MWC teams last year, and they were good
enough, TOO GOOD FOR VEGAS, to be upgraded to better bowls/matchups. Utah to
the BCS, again, and TCU to a great matchup with an undefeated Boise State team.
That left BYU, the 3rd MWC seed, to go to Vegas. Not because they were the
rightful choice, but because they were that much worse than Utah and TCU. I
have a feeling TCU will be in a BCS game this year, again leaving the Vegas spot
open to someone other than the champ.
When Utah wins the MWC, they go to the BCS, as will TCU this year, and skip right past the Vegas Bowl. When BYU wins the MWC, the best they can hope for is Vegas.
That's just sad, but true.
When Utah wins the MWC, they go to the BCS, as will TCU this year, and skip right past the Vegas Bowl. When BYU wins the MWC, the best they can hope for is Vegas.
That's just sad, but true.
Touch it | 10:43 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
If I were Craig Thompson I would definitely send Utah down to the LV bowl. No
one wants to see Arizona dismantle the Cougars again.
WAC vs MTN WEST | 10:51 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
they both are weak.
y do they both think they are better than the other when they are equals.
minus boise state and utah and you have the sun belt.
y do they both think they are better than the other when they are equals.
minus boise state and utah and you have the sun belt.
RE :WAC vs MTN WEST | 11:48 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
How many teams have been in the top 25 from the WAC this year. How many teams
have been in the top 25 from the MTN WEST. Finally, how many teams from the Sun
Belt have been ranked in the top 25. Ask your self, think about your answer and
then tell me who the WAC and MTN WEST are still the same, or who is closer to
the Sun Belt.
St. George Boy | 11:53 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009
T Birds Rising: I agree with you that the T birds are much improved and going in
a good direction, but if the town is in such a T Bird craze why is no one
showing up to the games. So far you've only filled the stadium once and
that was against our D2 boys down here. Even at the homecoming game you only
filled the stadium to half capacity. The Birds are going good places, but if
you're really supporting them then show up on Saturday and let them know
it.
Re: RE:WAC vs MTN WEST | 12:26 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
WAC and MTN West are definitely still equals. It doesn't matter how many
teams are currently this or that during the season. All that matters is how
things stack up in the end. The WAC has two BCS appearances and so does the
MWC. The WAC consistently puts teams in the top 25 and so does the MWC. The
reason they bicker so much is not about who is stronger, but who gets the crumbs
the BCS will throw their way. As long as both conferences are eating at the
kids table they are both equals. "No man is free until all men are
free."
spoons | 1:16 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Y - fan,
I make fun of BYU in the Vegas Bowl because after they destroy the Pac-10 5th place team, all of the Y fans rush the field and think they have really done something. John Beck and Curtis Brown get hoisted in the air like they are heroes. Real big deal.
Utah will go there, win and go home - keeping their 9 bowl game winning streak in tact. No losses to Arizona. Where is BYU's bowl winning streak? Oh 0
I make fun of BYU in the Vegas Bowl because after they destroy the Pac-10 5th place team, all of the Y fans rush the field and think they have really done something. John Beck and Curtis Brown get hoisted in the air like they are heroes. Real big deal.
Utah will go there, win and go home - keeping their 9 bowl game winning streak in tact. No losses to Arizona. Where is BYU's bowl winning streak? Oh 0
Mike Johnson Fallon NV | 1:26 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
The WAC and MWC are definitely NOT equal and never have been since the split.
The fourth best team in the MWC--Air Force--is better that 8 teams in the WAC.
Sagarin has always had the MWC conference rated higher on average than the
WAC.
That said, the WAC and MWC conference should team up for a game between champions on the same day as the SEC, Big-12, C-USA, and MAC championship game, winner to the BCS, loser to Las Vegas.
However, I note that ESPN bowl predictors are predicting both TCU and BSU busting the BCS this year.
That said, the WAC and MWC conference should team up for a game between champions on the same day as the SEC, Big-12, C-USA, and MAC championship game, winner to the BCS, loser to Las Vegas.
However, I note that ESPN bowl predictors are predicting both TCU and BSU busting the BCS this year.
utah dude | 1:31 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Who cares about SUU? Oh wait... no one.
Utah | 1:32 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Has something to play for until they lose to TCU. BYU has only the Utah game to
play for. The TCU embarrassment not only ended BYU's season but also
sealed Max Hall's legacy. He will always be remembered as the turnover kid
that couldn't win the big games.
As for the Utes, they will continue to live off last years sugar bowl victory like the Cougs have lived off the 1984 national championship. Both teams are irrelevant this year. TCU is the only team that has lived up to or exceeded expectations this year. What a disappointment for the State of Utah's football programs.
As for the Utes, they will continue to live off last years sugar bowl victory like the Cougs have lived off the 1984 national championship. Both teams are irrelevant this year. TCU is the only team that has lived up to or exceeded expectations this year. What a disappointment for the State of Utah's football programs.
WAC vs. MTN West | 1:39 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
I had to laugh out loud listening to your words about how the WAC is equal to
the Mountain West. Everybody with any ounce of sports knowledge knows that the
MWC is stronger and more respected. Even ESPN acknowledges it, which is the
same ESPN that gives the WAC TV coverage.
As was stated before, the MWC produces at least three top 25 teams every year. The WAC? Yeah, that's right, one (that's three times as many in the MWC in case you didn't know). Same BCS bowl count? Please, Hawaii got slaughtered and certainly didn't do the non-AQ's a favor in the BCS that year. 2-0 vs. 1-1 gives the advantage to the MWC again. Oh, and it will be a third BCS bowl after TCU crashes the party.
And remember, it's easier to get a BCS bowl in the WAC because it's easier to go undefeated. Major proof of the weakness of the WAC.
Why don't you put Boise State in the MAC or Sun Belt? Then those conferences could be just as strong as the MWC too (according to your logic).
As was stated before, the MWC produces at least three top 25 teams every year. The WAC? Yeah, that's right, one (that's three times as many in the MWC in case you didn't know). Same BCS bowl count? Please, Hawaii got slaughtered and certainly didn't do the non-AQ's a favor in the BCS that year. 2-0 vs. 1-1 gives the advantage to the MWC again. Oh, and it will be a third BCS bowl after TCU crashes the party.
And remember, it's easier to get a BCS bowl in the WAC because it's easier to go undefeated. Major proof of the weakness of the WAC.
Why don't you put Boise State in the MAC or Sun Belt? Then those conferences could be just as strong as the MWC too (according to your logic).
RE: Utah | 2:17 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
I completely agree.
TCU is head and shoulders the best team in the MWC.
BYU is next, mostly because
Utah is inconsistent on offense, due to lack of experience
It really doesn't matter which bowls BYU and Utah go to since they're all subpar bowls anyway.
Hopefully MWC is working extra hard to get the Holiday Bowl tie-in that's being freed up next year. If they really value their member schools then they'll work hard for better bowls (and drop the Mtn tv, but that's another story).
TCU is head and shoulders the best team in the MWC.
BYU is next, mostly because
Utah is inconsistent on offense, due to lack of experience
It really doesn't matter which bowls BYU and Utah go to since they're all subpar bowls anyway.
Hopefully MWC is working extra hard to get the Holiday Bowl tie-in that's being freed up next year. If they really value their member schools then they'll work hard for better bowls (and drop the Mtn tv, but that's another story).
WAC, MWC, Whatever | 2:47 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
I get a kick out of the bickering back and forth between the y, u and bsu. The
fact is that neither conference is great. None of these schools deserve to play
for the NC.
Might as well be recess as the local elementary. Here's to the NC game between the SEC and the Big XII. Looks like Texas vs Florida. Now that's college football.
Might as well be recess as the local elementary. Here's to the NC game between the SEC and the Big XII. Looks like Texas vs Florida. Now that's college football.
re: 12:26PM | 3:12 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Correction. The MWC consistenly puts football teams in the top 25. The WAC
consistenly has 1 team, Boise, ranked and a bunch of JV schools nipping at their
heels.
The WAC is terrible, and everyone knows it. Here's how bad the conference is. The second best WAC team this year is.....IDAHO! So pathetic. That would be the equivalent of SDSU suddenly becoming a MWC contender!
The WAC is terrible, and everyone knows it. Here's how bad the conference is. The second best WAC team this year is.....IDAHO! So pathetic. That would be the equivalent of SDSU suddenly becoming a MWC contender!
re: Utah | 3:15 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
It's about time TCU lived up to their potential. They've had good
teams for years, especially on the defensive side of the ball, and just
couldn't put it all together. Looks like they will finally manage to get
through the season without losing a game they should have won. Unless Utah
catches them again.
Paqo | 3:18 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Utah | 1:32 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
TCU is the only team that has lived up to or exceeded expectations this year. What a disappointment for the State of Utah's football programs.
Are you serious? Utah was expected to place 3rd in the MWC behind TCU and BYU in a rebuilding year. The preseason polls had BYU second in the MWC. I can see where it is disappointing that the two major teams from Utah are a combined 12-3, posting wins against the Big 12 and Big East conferences. So tell me - are you disappointed as well when your kids come home with a 3.98 on their report card too? Yeesh.
TCU is the only team that has lived up to or exceeded expectations this year. What a disappointment for the State of Utah's football programs.
Are you serious? Utah was expected to place 3rd in the MWC behind TCU and BYU in a rebuilding year. The preseason polls had BYU second in the MWC. I can see where it is disappointing that the two major teams from Utah are a combined 12-3, posting wins against the Big 12 and Big East conferences. So tell me - are you disappointed as well when your kids come home with a 3.98 on their report card too? Yeesh.
WAC vs. MWC | 3:34 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
There isn't an argument here. The WAC is and always will be a mid major
conference. It's worse than the MAC and Conf USA. Just look at the size
of stadiums, which would assume a smaller market, right? The MWC has bigger
market teams with a bigger following, period!!! The biggest Stadium in the WAC
is Hawaii's at roughly 50,000 capacity and you can thank the NFL for that.
The MWC has "The Murph" for SDSU (70k capacity) and Provo, (we all saw
the 64,000 disappointed Cougar fans last Saturday). The MWC is truly on the
cusp of BCS recognition and get's way more respect than the WAC. Even with
1 loss if UTAH was to somehow run the table they would have an outside shot to
make yet another BCS game. Will it happen? No, because we all saw who the best
team in the MWC is last weekend in provo. I am not hating the WAC and would
love nothing more than seeing Boise and Fresno jump ship to join the party when
the MWC becomes the 7th conf in the BCS.
davidutefan | 5:37 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
At the beginning of the season, My prediction was a 10-2 Ute team with losses at
Oregon and TCU. I don't see any reason to change that now and I'm not
disappointed with 10-2 in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. Not to
mention, TCU still has to beat us to make that true. Something they have had
problems with over the last couple of years. Why is it when TCU beats AF by 3
noone talks about how bad their offense is but when Utah beats them by 6 (in OT
granted), our offense is horrible?
Go TCU | 5:51 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Agree with several posters above--TCU is the class of the MWC this year and
maybe next, too. They'll finish 13-0. Utah can live off 2004 and 2008 all
they want, especially on Nov. 15 after the 42-0 blowout in Fort Worth. BYU needs
to get some adrenaline and energy flowing, for heck's sakes--they
won't win big football games with the boardroom executive approach.
St. George Boy | 6:38 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Thanks for the advice. I've been to every home game this season and yes, we
aren't the SEC, but SUU is certainly make strides in home attendance.
We're on pace to set a school record for home game crowds. This Saturday
will be an important contest. And if the you and your know it all pals in St.
George want to see how real football is played, come on up the road and watch
the T Birds.
Hey T Birds Rising.. | 7:05 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
aka President Benson... we all know its you.. your such a CHEESEBALL!
goutes | 7:56 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
It's all good Utes fans! Remember when we were all happy if Utah got a bowl
game at all? Before the season I was hearing local predictions that the U would
win 7 games. They will be fine, check this years verbal commitments and the
signees from last year. BYU is right there too. It's all good...except for
the Aggies......
Waldo | 8:04 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
If you are going to dream, why not talk about the only team that has a
possibility and a chance to win a national championship. The FCS has a playoff
system (unlike the stupid BCS system) and Weber State just needs to go on a 7
game winning streak with win a national championship. If you are going to talk
about dream outcomes, that is at the top of my list.
The dream continues this Saturday at um (lower case intentional).
The dream continues this Saturday at um (lower case intentional).
I care. | 9:03 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
I dont no why you say no one cares about SUU. I liv in Cedar and there are
plenty of good foks here who do give a darn about are football team. Go SUU.
Play footbal. We are her suporten ya all.
optimist | 9:25 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
The New Pac 10 becomes the New Pac 12
1. USC 2. UCLA 3. Cal 4. Stanford 5. SDS
6. San Jose St. 7. Sacramento 8. Hawaii 9. Oregon
10 Org. St. 11 Washington 12. Wash St.
The New MWC becomes the following:
1.BYU 2. Utah 3. TCU 4. Notre Dame 5. Arizona
6. Arizona St. 7. Boise State 8 Houston 9.Air Force 10. Army 11. Navy 12. Colorado State.
Time of change:
When the current acting BCS realigns all conferences
to have parity and totally eliminates the Bowl Championship Series and instead chooses the National Champions by having the two last teams standing fight it out on the field for the final said honor.
1. USC 2. UCLA 3. Cal 4. Stanford 5. SDS
6. San Jose St. 7. Sacramento 8. Hawaii 9. Oregon
10 Org. St. 11 Washington 12. Wash St.
The New MWC becomes the following:
1.BYU 2. Utah 3. TCU 4. Notre Dame 5. Arizona
6. Arizona St. 7. Boise State 8 Houston 9.Air Force 10. Army 11. Navy 12. Colorado State.
Time of change:
When the current acting BCS realigns all conferences
to have parity and totally eliminates the Bowl Championship Series and instead chooses the National Champions by having the two last teams standing fight it out on the field for the final said honor.
rvalens2 | 9:57 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Re: optimist @ 9:25 p.m.
Sorry ... but your scenario is NEVER going to happen.
Even if the BCS has to retool itself in order to comply with a true National Championship playoff, the PAC-10 is not going to realign as you have envisioned.
If the PAC-10 does expand to 12 teams, Utah would most likely be one of the two new schools added.
And believe it or not, it has less to do with football then you might imagine. As a major research institution, Utah has a lot of desirable qualities which make it a natural fit for the PAC-10.
Still that being said, I don't believe the PAC-10 will expand any time soon. In my opinion, a true National Championship football playoff makes it less likely that the PAC-10 would add schools, not more.
Sorry ... but your scenario is NEVER going to happen.
Even if the BCS has to retool itself in order to comply with a true National Championship playoff, the PAC-10 is not going to realign as you have envisioned.
If the PAC-10 does expand to 12 teams, Utah would most likely be one of the two new schools added.
And believe it or not, it has less to do with football then you might imagine. As a major research institution, Utah has a lot of desirable qualities which make it a natural fit for the PAC-10.
Still that being said, I don't believe the PAC-10 will expand any time soon. In my opinion, a true National Championship football playoff makes it less likely that the PAC-10 would add schools, not more.
re:davidutefan | 10:10 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009
Davidutefan Wrote:
At the beginning of the season, My prediction was a 10-2 Ute team with losses at Oregon and TCU. I don't see any reason to change that now and I'm not disappointed with 10-2 in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. Not to mention, TCU still has to beat us to make that true. Something they have had problems with over the last couple of years. Why is it when TCU beats AF by 3 noone talks about how bad their offense is but when Utah beats them by 6 (in OT granted), our offense is horrible?
Hmm well David maybe it has something to do with the fact that utah had 6 first downs at the end of regulation against AF, not too mention a measley 242 total yards in offense. Compared to TCU which racked up nearly 400 yards in total offense and 23 first downs. The only thing that kept that game close was the bad weather and turnovers (TCU had 3).
At the beginning of the season, My prediction was a 10-2 Ute team with losses at Oregon and TCU. I don't see any reason to change that now and I'm not disappointed with 10-2 in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. Not to mention, TCU still has to beat us to make that true. Something they have had problems with over the last couple of years. Why is it when TCU beats AF by 3 noone talks about how bad their offense is but when Utah beats them by 6 (in OT granted), our offense is horrible?
Hmm well David maybe it has something to do with the fact that utah had 6 first downs at the end of regulation against AF, not too mention a measley 242 total yards in offense. Compared to TCU which racked up nearly 400 yards in total offense and 23 first downs. The only thing that kept that game close was the bad weather and turnovers (TCU had 3).
Re:Utah | 1:32 p.m | 6:48 a.m. Oct. 30, 2009
Not sure if I'd count Utah out just yet --although I agree that Utah offense is very inconsistent.
We will see in a few weeks if Utah can upset TCU --I am sure TCU has revenge in mind since they've lost 3 straight games to Utah
WAC | 8:28 a.m. Oct. 30, 2009
To hear that the WAC is as good as the MWC is a complete joke right??? WAC
Record against the Mountain West Conference last year in bowl games 0-2. # 1
BSU loses to MWC #2 TCU and is dominated by the TCU defense despite the 17-16
score. Second place WAC team Fresno St gets beat by 5th place Colorado St in
New Mecico. Three MWC teams finish in the top 25 last year Vs one for the WAC.
No doubt BSU is a good team but they play in the Worst conference in the
nation. Take BSU out of the WAC and that conference makes the Sun Belt look
like the SEC!!!
SUU Thunderbirds | 9:33 a.m. Oct. 30, 2009
I hope SUU can win out their last 4 games. Congrats to a year full of
improvement. It has been fun following the T-birds this year.
All I really hope for is that Utah State will beat Boise this year. I can't stand the arrogance of the broncos. They are a good team but they need to show more respect to their fellow conference teams. I hope Utah State plays their best game of the year and squeeks out a win versus boise.
All I really hope for is that Utah State will beat Boise this year. I can't stand the arrogance of the broncos. They are a good team but they need to show more respect to their fellow conference teams. I hope Utah State plays their best game of the year and squeeks out a win versus boise.
No one cares about the MWC | 11:27 a.m. Oct. 30, 2009
Nobody gives a rat about either conference.
Cougarf@n | 3:45 p.m. Oct. 30, 2009
If the Pac-10 ever expands it will be because the school presidents are tired of
their football teams getting snubbed from the NC game because they don't
have a championship game like the Big-12 and SEC.
That's why the Pac-10 should bring in a couple of teams to make the Pac-12. BYU & Utah are the best fit. Yewt fans whine about BYU not being a research university and BYU fans whine about Utah's lousy attendance and lack of national following, but I direct your attention to the Oregon schools to counter both points. A lot of people make a big deal out of the Sunday play, but I don't see that as a valid argument. If the NCAA tournament can accomodate BYU's sunday play policy, so could the PAC-10.
While I think the BYU/Utah package is the only way it would happen, it does raise an interesting question of whether either school should ditch the other if the PAC-10 came calling. I actually think the schools are more loyal to each other than that, but I could be wrong.
That's why the Pac-10 should bring in a couple of teams to make the Pac-12. BYU & Utah are the best fit. Yewt fans whine about BYU not being a research university and BYU fans whine about Utah's lousy attendance and lack of national following, but I direct your attention to the Oregon schools to counter both points. A lot of people make a big deal out of the Sunday play, but I don't see that as a valid argument. If the NCAA tournament can accomodate BYU's sunday play policy, so could the PAC-10.
While I think the BYU/Utah package is the only way it would happen, it does raise an interesting question of whether either school should ditch the other if the PAC-10 came calling. I actually think the schools are more loyal to each other than that, but I could be wrong.
CSUFan | 6:39 p.m. Oct. 30, 2009
Nope, BYU and Utah are not loyal to each other. Look at CU and CSU. CU ditched
CSU in the 1950s.
Ron | 9:01 p.m. Oct. 30, 2009
Bensen needs to get his head fixed. Look at the MWC bowls? Nothing basically.
Same as the WAC? nothing. We need to build up the Bowl in San Diego into a
premere bowl for the MWC with huge payouts. Get people like Ford, GMC, and
Hilton, Marriott to sponsor and make the payout the bigest in America, we have
lots of good people in important places in these big companies, we as MWC
members need to look for these opportunities and voice out opinions.
Re: Cougarf@n | 3:45 p.m. | 9:48 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
BYU is not a good fit for the PAC 10. Academics and research at BYU exist only
in the minds of BYU faithful. Attendance is not an issue for either BYU or
Utah. Again, Utah's "lousy" attendance and absence of a
"national following" is an aberration in in the minds of BYU fans.
65,000 people sitting in a stadium with their 1 and 2 year old children only to jam the exists mid-way through the third quarter in a losing effort is not the kind of following that is going to sell the Pac-10 on BYU.
Sunday play is an issue for BYU (though historically many basketball games at BYU have ended on Sunday morning if ESPN came calling...it's all about the mighty dollar).
Finally, yes...absolutely, Utah should ditch BYU if the opportunity came their way! BYU would once again be #1 or #2 in the conference...a win-win situation. Don't you think?
65,000 people sitting in a stadium with their 1 and 2 year old children only to jam the exists mid-way through the third quarter in a losing effort is not the kind of following that is going to sell the Pac-10 on BYU.
Sunday play is an issue for BYU (though historically many basketball games at BYU have ended on Sunday morning if ESPN came calling...it's all about the mighty dollar).
Finally, yes...absolutely, Utah should ditch BYU if the opportunity came their way! BYU would once again be #1 or #2 in the conference...a win-win situation. Don't you think?
Re: Ron | 9:01 p.m. | 9:54 a.m. Oct. 31, 2009
Nice, Ron. Please tell me that you are a BYU fan...please.
I don't know where you have been but "people like Ford and GMC" have no money and I would certainly hope that the "good people we have in important places" are not in any way responsible for that.
Making a MWC bowl the biggest payout in America is a dream that could only exist in the mind of a BYU fan...ridiculous.
I don't know where you have been but "people like Ford and GMC" have no money and I would certainly hope that the "good people we have in important places" are not in any way responsible for that.
Making a MWC bowl the biggest payout in America is a dream that could only exist in the mind of a BYU fan...ridiculous.
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