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3 more H1N1 deaths last week in Utah

Anonymous | 1:00 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

The H1N1 vaccinations are filled with mercury and other horrible chemicals that will hurt us more then help us. I mean come on people their injecting us with portions of the virus and more deaths are actually occuring from the vaccinations more then people are being affected without taking the shot. Don't give in to this epidemic, its global enslavery and they continue to control us through fear. God is not of fear but of power & a sound mind. I already had the flu 2 weeks ago and just took a multivitamin, lots of sleep, and some over the counter meds and I recovered and so will you. Don't give in!!!!

Enough! | 1:46 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

13,000 people died from the regular flu between Jan and April! 1,000 from the pig flu! Stop reporting on this hogwash! And avoid getting vaccinated!

Got it | 4:10 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I was exposed to the swine flu last Saturday and am presently going through it. It's a flu and I've had worse. I am fortunate that I wasn't one of the few that had a more serious case. However, I am visiting my 83 year old mother here in Holland and also saw my 86 year old Dad before I realized I had the flu. They didn't get the flu, fortunately. I am so grateful that they were vaccinated. I love the fact that we have the freedom to make our own choices. Anonymous and Enough have every right to choose not to get the vaccination, however, I'll choose the mercury and whatever else is in the shot.

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Anonymous | 5:45 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Enough,

You are a fool. Advocating people not getting vaccinated makes you one. Nearly everyone is going to get H1N1 and it knocks people down flat if it doesn't kill them. It also kills healthy people that the regular flu doesn't.

re: Anonymous | 5:57 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Hogwash! Where is your evidence that more deaths are occurring from the vaccination than from H1N1?

On another note, however, I agree this is being blown way out of proportion. A future variant of the virus may indeed be deadly, but all evidence suggests the effect of the current H1N1 strain is not much worse than the regular flu.

Anon, what is your source... | 6:18 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

that the vaccine is filled with mercury? Please post a verifiable link-

Public Unhealth Department | 7:04 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Sounds like a great idea in the midst of a pandemic to make people stand in line (with a bunch of other people who may have been exposed to the flu) to get the flu shot. In my county outside of Utah, the public health department runs drive-through flu clinics. The people coming to get flu shots stay in their cars and some large parking lot is set up with tents and public health workers and people directing traffic. It works fast and smoothly and people aren't exposed to each other.

I would suggest that Utah needs to update some of its procedures.

Evets | 7:26 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Anonymous 1:00/Enough 1:46 (Probably the same)

I continue to be amazed at people’s stupidity or pure stubbornness concerning vaccinations. How one can trade not getting an immunization that has a very good safety record, with taking the chance of a disease that can kill you. Think about it...How many people have died or were hurt by this vaccination (if any were, the press would of been on top of it)? Now, how many people have died from the H1N1 (so far over a thousand in the US). And flu season isn't even in full swing yet! It may or may not be as deadly as the regular seasonal flu BUT BOTH KILL. The immunizations do not, except under very, very rare circumstances, harm.
As a health care provider I have received both immunizations for this year. I am exposed daily to the flu and I can’t afford the time I would miss if I became sick. Also I don't want to play Russian roulette with a disease that can kill.
As for the mercury...1, it is the wrong kind and 2, there is not enough to hurt you.

STB | 8:13 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

The anti-vaccine crowd fails to realize that the vaccines prevent pandemics of various diseases that can causes, deafness, blindness, and other birth defects much worse than they claim as side defects.

mercury in the shots | 9:25 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

The shots that are not in single doses,but come from a multipac do have mercury. It is in the preservative called Thimerisol. Sorry, the spelling is not right on that. I did some research and the flu mist does not have the mercury preservative, so we opted for that. You can ask your doctor's office if their flu shots or immunization shots have this preservative and if they do you can request that they get the single dose shots that don't have the mercury preservative in it. Most flu shots have the mercury in them, but I have found that the health dept. usually has some without the mercury if you request it. In my opinion the mist is best for the kids because there is no mercury.

xscribe | 9:33 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I don't understand why people get on here and tell others not to get the flu shot. If you don't want it, don't get it. And talk about fear-mongering and outright lying: The vaccination has caused zero deaths and doesn't give you the flu. Please don't state that as fact; state it as your opinion. And as for their being chemicals in the shot: May I assume you only buy organic? Otherwise, the amount of harmful chemicals you eat every day far outweighs what's in a yearly shot. Try reading the ingredients of your next back of chips. Read the reports about how much pesticide is on fruit.

On the subject of deaths: Just because you had a mild case doesn't mean the next person will. So far there's been more deaths of the young than during the regular flu season. My opinion is if you care about your kids, get them immunized.

I think enough meant | 10:02 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

that please by all means Anonymous the anti vaccine person should by all means avoid getting a flu shot, not the rest of us. ;)

Vaccinate! | 10:02 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

To those that keep harping about vaccinating, let me share a story. Several Christmases ago, my husbands family all traveled to Eastern Utah to stay at my mother-in-law's for a few days. My 18 month old and another 18 month old got sick (high fever, malaise, etc.) I kept my son up to date on vaccinations. The other child's dad is a chiropractor, so of course, vaccinations are evil. My son got better within 3 days using only motrin/tylenol to help with symptoms.
As my in-laws headed home to Vegas with their sick child, they ended up rushing to Primary Childrens because she was coughing and would clench up and quit breathing. She was diagnosed with whooping cough and was hospitalized several days. They were lucky they weren't in the middle of nowhere when things got really bad. My son and their child got ill from the same bug, but much different outcomes due to immunization.
My in-laws now vaccinate all their children. True, there are risks with immunization, but they are very small and you have a better chance being immunized than not.

to Anonymous | 10:10 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

If you continue to ignore science, perhaps the flu will visit your home. Wild conspiracy gibberish is not in the pubic interest and your irresponsible claims could lead to another's misfortune. Muslims in Nigeria felt the same way about polio vaccine and they suffered greatly for their folly.

Bliss | 10:13 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

"Stop reporting on this"

Ah yes, ignorance is bliss. But its a sad state of affairs when the ignorant want everyone else to share their ignorance by censoring the facts from the media.

just curious | 10:16 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Why is there such a large gap in reporting the age groups of those who have died? Is there a reason for having it stated that way? When a death occurs as the result of a car accident, or other means, the age will be reported if and when it is known. I feel this is just another case of media censorship. But why is that necessary?

katamb | 10:25 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

It's difficult to make a decision when the newspaper says "a person between 5 and 24." What age, what were the underlying health condtions, etc.? A guy in our office had it and nobody else got it, so that's a good sign. I'm more worried when I get on an airplane at Christmas since planes have air worse than sucking on an exhaust pipe!

Ditto xscribe! | 10:35 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

There's way more mercury in a can of tuna than there is in a flu shot. I don't care what anybody else does about the flu - if they don't want the shots, don't get them. But don't assume that those of us who DO want the shots are stupid or ignorant.

I know all about the death rates and the effects of this flu. But I've got two immediate family members with underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk of serious complications including death. So, for my family it would be stupid NOT to get immunized.

We're still waiting for those two to get immunized, we didn't get up early enough for Salt Lake's Saturday snafu. So we're doing all the vitamins and other precautions we can, hoping it will get us through until then.

Conspiracies on both sides | 10:55 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

The Swine Flu is no more dangerous than regular influenzas: TRUE National media plays into the hysteria creating unnecessary worry and concern: TRUE The H1N1 vaccine is not a guarantee but likely will prevent getting the flu: TRUE There is some risk that the vaccine might actually give you the H1N1 flu: TRUE H1N1 will come and go, like anthrax, SARS, the bird flu and others, and only a fraction of the population will learn what media does to people and then the next pandemic won't be as frightening.

Science | 11:09 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I love how all these people come on here and talk about science and don't ignore the facts.. Its funny with how disfunctional our government is, and how biased the media is, that everyone will then believe them one hundred percent on vaccines.

1. The same people doing the "science" and "research" are being paid by pharmaceutical companies to do them... guess science come out a little biased doen't it?

2. 4 different companies produce different types of the swine flu vaccine, and on all 4 of their websites they explain that testing has not been down "at all" to know the effect on pregnant woman or the unborn child, yet pregnant women are the first that they recommend getting it.

3. Since the influx of vaccines, the 4 A's have all increased at the same rate "Autism, ADHD, Asthma, Allergies.

you may argue that a study has proven that vaccines dont cause autism, well those studies are funded by the same guys that would be held responsible if it was proven that vaccines cause autism.

You are not a bad parent for not vaccinated your kids, nor are you if you vacinate them

Mercury | 11:28 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

There is mercury in fish so we should also not eat fish.

MormonDem | 11:28 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Wait a second, conservatives, I'm having a hard time keeping up with you. Some of you are indulging in conspiracy fantasies about the vaccination, while others of you are complaining that Obama is personally responsible for the vaccine shortage.

I know you all think Obama wants to kill grandma. But is he trying to kill her by withholding the vaccine or by giving her the vaccine? Paranoid minds want to know!

Cosmo | 11:33 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

*Take the drug, take the drug, no screaming please!

*Oh, you got GBS, that was not the drugs fault, wink, wink; nod, nod! The ventilator works well, when your paralyzed

Anonymous | 11:35 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

The posts on this page are ridiculous - on BOTH sides. No, the vaccination is NOT killing more people than the flu is (though that was true of the swine flu vaccination that happened in the 70's, so far this one's ok). However, it is also "hogwash" that "Nearly everyone is going to get H1N1 and it knocks people down flat if it doesn't kill them. It also kills healthy people that the regular flu doesn't." Officials have made it clear that it won't kill most who get it - prettymuch just those with pre-existing conditions should worry at all. Officials have also said that most people who come in contact with it won't ever even get sick. The seasonal flu has/will continue to kill more.

Everyone has their own choice here. I wish that everybody would stop reporting on the flu like it's the end of the world when, indeed, it's turned out to be a pretty mild epidemic. I am in my early 20's, healthy, and childless so far, so I won't be vaccinated. For others like "Ditto xscribe!" though, it's probably a good idea.

Former Utahn | 12:10 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I'm glad to hear voices of reason debunking the anti-vaccine Henny Pennies. Those conspiracy theorists are part of the reason we left.

Pyperfly | 1:04 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I find all your comments interesting, and would like to add,I think it's more important to take responsibility of one's own health and to not give up our liberties. Which we do if we blindly believe that Government, media, and even healthcare professionals won't deceive us, knowingly or unknowingly, good reasoning or bad reasoning. It's important to research out for ourselves reputable substantiated scientific studies and findings so one can make a knowledgeable decision based on one's own physical constitution and belief. Reports coming from Government agencies, media and blindly accepted by healthcare leave me asking more questions than convince me that I should just trust giving the system my liberty of choosing. I can't make a conscientious decision based on facts and findings that are not being presented or open to us the public. I would hope you my fellow Americans would do this for yourselves also, and see this is not just about flu or H1N1, but blindly letting people (who do not have our best interest in mind) take away our rights to see the truth allowing us to make a clear decision based on this.

Patriot | 1:39 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I find it interesting that those who beleive in any and all vaccinations immediatley come out of the wood work to condemn those who don't beleive they are good for you. These people use condecending language such as crazy, conspiracy theorists, tell them that if they care about their children that they will get them vaccinated and yet condem them if they suggest you not vaccinate your children because THEY beleive it is bad for all children.

The truly closed minded people who make these comments are the ones who find it difficult to comprehend and tolerate another persons freedom to choose. They find it difficult that some people would choose not to follow the heard like they do.

How about a little respect from the pro-vaccination crowd for other peoples beleifs???

Vaccines definately do kill | 1:49 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

My boss's daughter died from being vaccinated, and two of my siblings become extremely ill and were hospitalized after getting theirs. It makes me angry to see people still being blinded by the media in how "safe" these shots are.

Here's what's in a flu shot:

Ethylene Glycol (anti-freeze)
Aluminum
Glutaraldehyde
Gelatin (many people have allergic reactions)
Phenol
Formaldehyde
Thermerisol (Mercury!, one of the most poisonous substances, and linked to autism. I'm not sure the amount, but it's MUCH MUCH higher than the allowable amount in everyday food)
Polysorbate
Mycin type Anti-biotic

And many others.

If some random doctor told you to mix these ingredients in a glass and feed it to your children, would you blindly do it?

Wait 'til deer season | 1:57 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

. . . is over. You'll see a significant drop in flu rates.

Anonymous | 2:51 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I find it hilarious that since the "vaccines" became available, the cases and deaths from h1n1 have almost doubled.

@1:49 | 2:57 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

A few minutes of internet research produced the following - a 6 oz can of albacore tuna contains 52.7 micrograms of mercury. A flu shot contains 25 micrograms of mercury (50 micrograms of thimerisol, which is 50% mercury). So if you eat a can of tuna a week, you're getting twice as much mercury as in a flu shot.

And, you can ask for the thimerisol free version of the shot if you are concerned. I'm sorry for the experiences you related, but, they are extremely rare. Nobody in my family has ever had more than a mild reaction to any shot. Everybody has to assess their own risk. And most people do - it's not "blindly".

Answer to @1:49 | 4:45 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I beg to differ with you, most people DO NOT research thoroughly nor assess the risks. Most people just want to bury their heads in the sand and trust blindly the social heads that control most media. As for your research, a few minutes of research trying to make a point about tuna mercury versus the thimerisol mercury is a little short sighted research. Eating it versus shooting it in your body is a completely different finding. How you take things into your body makes a big difference on what it does and how it effects your system. Such as Squalene, a natural ingredient (found in olive oil) used in many vaccines. Documented research shows that in vaccinations it incites your immune system to attack it, eventually leading to what independent research have been concluding is the cause of Gulf War Syndrome, as well as other problems creating many of the escalated auto-immune diseases/disorders that continue to rise.

wasted emotions | 7:16 a.m. Oct. 30, 2009

It's too bad there are so many people ranting on both sides of this issue. It's simple enough -- make your choice and live with it. If you don't get vaccinated and do get the disease, please don't whine about the hospital expense. If you choose to get the vaccine and have problems, please don’t whine about how unsafe it is. A relative just died this week from H1N1. He was completely healthy and had no preexisting conditions which would have made him vulnerable. Yesterday I had my son vaccinated because he has a compromised immune system. I asked the doctor at the hospital what her opinion was — all hype, or genuine cause for concern? She said it was both. Then she told me about a young man — football player, picture of health — who was in intensive care due to H1N1. Due to complications following his getting the flu virus, half his brain is now dead. No, not everyone will die from it or even get really sick, but it appears to lower the body’s ability to deal effectively with other bacteria which seem to kill the patient very quickly after exposure to H1N1.

Paul Revere | 7:28 a.m. Oct. 30, 2009

So much conflicted information; such as the H1N1 was the same virus as the one in the 1940's, those over 60 yrs are immune because they had built up antibodies. The test for H1N1 takes several hours and is costly, so Doctors are telling all patients that come in with flu like symptoms that they have the virus. CDC reports so many more world deaths and seriously conflicts with reports coming from other countries, even states. Questions arise about these 3 deaths, were they actually tested for H1N1, before or after death, and can you tell after death? Did they die of complications from the virus, i.e; pneumonia, auto-immune disfunction's, etc or the virus? We're these people given the immunization or any medications and autopsied to determine if or not this could have contributed to their deaths? If not then we are all guinea pigs to the mass testing that is now being distributed. Wake up sheeple the wolf is right beside you and you're following him into his lair. If you don't take the time and research, ask questions for yourselves before committing then have a nice lunch!

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