Deseret News | Ogden tells 2 strip clubs to change or move

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Ogden tells 2 strip clubs to change or move

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ojf64 | 10:12 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009

Only in Utah!!!!!!!

Z | 9:22 a.m. Oct. 28, 2009

No, actually pretty much everywhere. Check your facts and you'll find that every state regulates sexually oriented businesses in a manner similar to this. When was the last time you saw a stip club near a neighborhood, park or church ANYWHERE? Even Nevada pushes them into the 'industrial' zones.

Davis | 10:24 a.m. Oct. 28, 2009

Ex Post Facto laws just like in the deep South. If they were already there before the change they should stay.

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Mikee | 12:07 p.m. Oct. 28, 2009

Article 1, Section 9 of the US Constitution:

No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

These strip clubs should fight back.

K | 5:20 p.m. Oct. 28, 2009

OR, men could learn to get their jollies from legally sanctioned marriages and forget about being so criminally disgusting... just a thought...

One thing | 1:05 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

is to stop being so childish (K) and allow grown-ups to be adults. 0hhh...might me too free!

greg | 1:23 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

And these are not real strip clubs either.. Big difference between a vegas club and a utah club..

BJ | 1:45 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I had better hurry up and go dunk my dollars while i still can

Juneann | 3:10 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Its the mormon influence.

THEeyepatch | 3:21 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

In other words, strip bars go away before we pull your liquor license and/or give you a nice big fine. I don't know where the Lighthouse is located, but I know where Northern Exposure is and I don't think they will be building a Temple in that area anytime soon. What a joke...........

troutjig | 5:55 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Let them all leave. Northern Exposure steals cash from there customers by not delivering drinks that are ordered. Taking the money and say that they delivered the drinks, when in fact they did not. We have turned them in twice to the better buisness bureau. And the light house is a dive that should bem shut down anyway. Im not against bars, but lets get some with a little class.

Members | 6:07 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

of the City Council need to run for the Legislature if they want to make Laws.
Your Police Chief is also a Legislature Member.
He can make Laws to suit himself.
He is also a Criminal holding two Public Offices at the same time.
So why is there no one pushing this issue?
Where is Law Enforcement?

mydixiewrecked | 6:07 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I think this is a travisty. Did the chicken or the egg come first? What is this world coming to? Can we not own the ability in our own skin to make choices without big brother's thumb? People, there is no life in this box. Think for your self. It is really ok to do so.

E | 6:17 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Does this need to be an issue? The reason these clubs need to be away from parks, churches, or any other place where children are present (maybe their own homes, in fact!) is so that the children aren't molested by men who allow themselves to be so sexually hungry that they need a child to satisfy their needs when the strip clubs won't "do the trick" anymore.

It is very important that these businesses be moved away from the children so that when a park is put into an area (and why shouldn't we have a park instead of an unhealthy strip club?) our children remain safe from these men who are addicted to sex.

Utah... | 7:24 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I"m not a big fan of strip clubs but when they regulate how much and where I drink my alcohol and then they regulate where someone can run a business and chage it as they go... then there is a problem I love how there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state yet why is it only in Utah where my beer is weaker.... Gotta love it

lost in DC | 7:24 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

they could move out near the sewage treatment plant or the landfill. They and their patrons would fit right in there.

Firedog | 8:13 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Don't really care about this issue but for one fact. So they once were okay where they are located but now are being threatened with fines ? Ogden is creating a means to force these businesses to relocate after allowing them to be established. I think that this is unfair no matter what business. Why is the burden of relocating being forced upon the owners?
If the ordinance is written to protect "children" then why were businesses licenses awarded in the first place? Seem the moral patrol has struck again at our constitution.
Tell it to the cows

Former Marine | 8:17 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Gotta love those Mormon-haters; they are so easy to spot. :) The ones I really enjoy listening to are the people who move to Utah, and then complain about all the Mormons -- they should have done their homework before making the big move.

That aside, I can see the concerns on both sides of this issue -- personal freedoms versus common decency/sense. I wonder if some of the naysayers, who say that the strip clubs should stay put because they were there first, even batted an eye when they built houses that shoved out wildlife and flora that was there long before the house was built. Just a thought. ;)

just | 8:18 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

like my house has been there for 80 years now i don't meet there code so i can't park in my own driveway. the city has let them bet there for over 20 years or more and it has been ok. But now its not. If you check hard i bet the mayor has is pocket in this

Ron | 8:19 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

The real reason that there was no public debate, and the owners didn't show up to protest is they know they don't have to. The city can bluster all it wants, but the fact is that both of these business entities and their locations were in LONG before the city of Ogden decided to make an ordinance, and they can't be held to the new ordinance unless the business changes ownership. The current owner and locations would be exepmt from any law passed since they already existed, and the city doesn't stand a chance in court if it tried to make them close or move, so the city of Ogden is trying to us the court of public opinion, as opposed to real courts in which they would get slapped and they know it.

Anonymous | 8:23 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

This is Utah, and if you don't like the way the state is ran, move! We want our children safe and we don't want the trash any where near them. I'm shocked that many people seem upset by this. You that are offeneded must not have children.

Actually, not so... | 8:32 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Actually I have lived in six states and I can tell you that in Utah "strip clubs" essentially do not exist as they do elsewhere (you need not pre-suppose I know from experience!). There are no totally nude clubs here, in fact they are technically not nude (little pasties...). Most other cities allow these types of businesses, in certain areas, but they operate and serve a certain clientel, here they just don't exist like elsewhere. But we of course would never want to exploit women here! (Last I checked, the women were not volunteers....)

@Firedog | 8:33 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Yes, once in the 70s, these businesses were ok. And everyone was young and naive. Now after decades of seeing the results of unfettered sexual perversions upon the fabric of society, society is getting a clue and trying to drive these nest of prurient lasciviousness out. Getting rid of them is a blessing to the poor souls that are drawn there.

deathtofish | 8:46 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Even if the public did comment, the mayor and city council will do what they want. The lighthouse was there before the old ogden city mall was built,and there is no park anywhere near the lighthouse.The church and the club have been there before the city
made up the law, and if there are children down near
the lighthouse then the parents of those kids should be held accountable.not the club owners.

bracuisy | 8:54 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I agree Ron. The fact is the city is simply trying to gain more funds and they have personal agendas as well. They did the same thing in trying to re-locate the homeless shelters... As for keeping the children safe, I have children also and umm.. I keep them away from what I consider un-safe areas I am aware of. The government is already full of way to much power as does the City of Ogden. Do we really need them to make all of our choices?

Hayea | 9:02 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I think Northern Exposure was there for a few years before they even built the parkway

G | 9:09 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Something interesting... I don't know why everyone assumes it is "trash" or "sex offenders" that frequent strip clubs. In fact, I am sure the clientele is diverse, both in terms of economic status and gender. Let's not forget that women attend strip clubs just as much.
Leave your morals to yourself, and don't force anyone else to adhere to your standard of morality. I am not pushing mine on you, so don't push yours on me.

cantslodown610 | 9:16 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

This is allowing the city a precendent. If they don't like a business, any business, they can pass a law and use this course of removing the strip clubs as a basis for doing so. They choose these types of business first because, as you can see from some of the comments here, the public is more than happy to let these things happen to them. They believe that all who go to these things are nothing but perverts and sexual predators. This is so far from the truth its scary. But when Ogden doesn't want a mom and pop store anymore, they can use this precedent to remove them. Governments pick the most vile things they can find to set prcedent and then use it to remove individual rights and freedoms. It has happened before and it will happen again. Ogden has a purpose for doing this and it has nothing to do with the strip clubs. It has to do with other businesses they want to get rid of but they need a precedent first. All the comments regarding perversion and pedophiles in this case are extremely prudish and need to wake up!

Uh, Former Marine | 9:37 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

What makes you think the "haters" (your words) moved here?

It's not possible that people were born here, have different politics and don't march in lockstep with your personal beliefs?

Wow. What kind of freedom did you claim to fight for? Yours only?

I thought "you" were all for less government interference, not more. The reason Ogden wants Northern Exposure moved is to give more business space near the new WalMart that's going in.

Both it and the Lighthouse (businesses our family doesn't support but we can easily ignore) have been there for at least 20 years.

Uglyest | 9:56 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Has anyone been to Time Square now and compared it to the mid 80's.

Now it is the jewel of New York City, after all of the strip clubs have been moved. It is no longer the rundown and dirty eye sore that it was.

With a lot of grit and determination Time Square is once again the hot spot to stay when someone visits NYC.

Yes we are talking about Ogden’s west side, but the area is cleaning up. New developments are moving and to keep the area growing some things have to change.

Another one of life’s lessons - CHANGE

gone | 9:59 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

i just moved out of utah and i now can look back and see how messed up that part of the country is why doesnt everyone worry about themselves i wonder how many of you people even live in ogden or the surrounding area i bet provo is hot on the trail of somewhere they dont even belong glad those days are over for me good luck independent thinkers stuck in utah

Sir Ogden | 10:06 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

If they aren't nude, they arne't stripping. Get a life Mormons

Who still goes to a strip club? | 10:17 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Maybe the hand full of computer illiterate perverts should just get on board with the rest of Utah and stop going to strip clubs... instead just get it online like the majority of Utahns do. Remember: Utah #1 for per capita Internet Porn Subscriptions!

Response to Z | 10:21 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Actually in San Francisco the clubs are everywhere near schools,resedential and parks does not matter!

Anonymous | 10:23 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I think the state of utah needs to be sued for not separating between church and state.

Facts | 10:31 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Ex post facto laws are everywhere. We installed underground fuel storage tanks at our business in 1972. There were zero laws in place at that time regulating these types of tanks. In the late 80's congress gave the EPA the power to regulate the tanks and we immediately became subject to those regulations even though they didn't exist at the time the tanks were installed.

MC | 10:44 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I've lived in several states. I am LDS. I can tell you there is a big difference between a 'Utah Mormon' and a Mormon anywhere else. And the Utah Mormons posting on here using things like pedophiles, sex addiction, and as one said 'criminally disgusting', are just sad examples of a lack of knowledge and a deep-seated "I know it all, and I'm better than you" attitude. I don't agree with sex clubs. I have children. I don't believe that people who go to these clubs are any of the things cited by the not-so-intelligent Mormons on here. That isn't to say that -some- of them might have issues as discussed. But to classify everyone in a lump sum is just ignorant. Show some intelligence, LDS, if you are going to have an opposing viewpoint. Use facts, not personal opinions, and others might just listen to you.

Those who have that high and mighty viewpoint are not good examples to others. period. So K, E, 'lost in DC', and @Firedog...you are all bad examples of how an LDS person should behave. You can be better than that.

lol lol | 10:49 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I wouldnt care if the strip club was located inside of a church! or smack dab in the center of a park!! are you kidding me? Even if it were the mormons wont go watch the strippers and the kids cant get in... let adults be adults....

Tied On | 10:49 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

I think that anyone who has actually been into a Utah "strip club" will agree that you see just as much flesh in a JC Penny advertisement for bras and panties. Also strange is that the concern is over nudity rather than the serving of alcohol. Not one case I'm aware of someone being to horny to drive a car.

Sad Sacks of ... | 10:58 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Look at all the "patriots" rushing to defend the rights of the strip clubs and the associated booze hounds. I hate the phoney "patriots" who waste our resources fighting for "rights" I don't care about like: strip club locations, alcohol content, public displays of nudity, right to commit acts of sodomy, etc. etc. etc. If you want kink, go to San Francisco, but don't move to Utah, or the "deep south" and then lament the absence of any kind of "Folsom Street Fair" you pathetic losers!

JohnnyBoy | 11:05 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

FORMER MARINE!
you do not have to live here in Mormon Town to have your lives controlled by the Mormons!

Look what you people did in California with Prop 8..

Hate Mormons? NO! I just LOATHE!

@E | 11:26 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

are you serious? You think grown men see a naked woman dancing and automatically become child molesters? I think you need to keep your opinions to yourself next time.

Why not just shut them down | 11:36 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Change we can believe in - SHUT THE STRIP CLUBS DOWN!!!!

Anonymous | 12:19 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Yeah, the people who attend strip clubs are decent people, just like the people in the famous Dateline "To Catch a Predator" show portrayed "normal" people who were caught up in sexual encounters. Sounds like a lot of people are in denial that they do anything wrong just like those people on that show did. Humm... that is interesting.

Tied On | 12:43 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Amazingly enough, I had a well written comment removed. Let's see if it was for referencing another website..
If you want to live in a clean environment where the men are in control of the family, the wives are wholesome mothers, and there are no evils in sight, move to Colorado City or any other community that still practices the fundamentals of the LDS faith.
Utah is absolutely highest ranked in paid pornography subscription rates. The hypocrisy is astounding. My dad used to say the reason you never took just one Mormon fishing is that without at least another along on the trip, Elder Unwatched would drink all your beer.
And here's where I think I got the axe:
Your religious scripture is a hoax written by a convicted con-man. Wouldn't shock me to see the Deseret News censor my opinion again, although it doesn't break any of their rules.

Hope | 1:20 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

While visiting Utah, I talked with a non-LDS gentleman who said he moved his family from California to Utah because of the lifestyle. Those who have chosen the "wide path" who hate or "loathe" Utah should pack their bags and leave!! Read Isaiah 1:4

JAYEG | 1:23 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Re: Anonymous | 8:23 a.m. Oct. 29, 2009

My wife and I believed in taking personal responsibility for keeping our children safe, by choosing to avoid parks which were too close to 'adult' establishments.

And now...our children take the same responsibility for THEIR children.

I don't patronize bars, or strip joints...but I would stand up and fight for the rights of others to patronize them as they deem fit.

Utah is still part of America...isn't it?

Here is a suggestion...perhaps if you are so utterly fearful for your children's safety...you might consider opting for any of the hundreds of parks which are NOT adjacent to such establishments.

Anonymous | 7:36 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

If they would locate one of these strip clubs right next door to an LDS Chapel, I might consider returning to Church!

Oxy Moroni | 10:05 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

Where in Utah could you possibly build a strip club that wouldn't be close to a church?

I love how... | 10:24 p.m. Oct. 29, 2009

...so many in Utah absolutely hate the idea of the "big bad government" controlling any aspect of their lives. And yet stuff like this seems to be ok?

You don't want the government to control your lives but it's OK for them to control everybody else’s? Just as long as it doesn't affect you, right?

Hypocrites!

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