I'm a little confused here. I'm pretty sure this article is about Utah Valley
University beating the Chicago Cougars. Nowhere in the article did it mention
BYU, UofU, or TCU. Do you bloggers just pick a random article that has to do
with sports to continue the BYU, UofU bashing. Cause none of these posts were
about the article. You could always create a blog you know and move the bashing
I've said it before and I will say it again. If this exact same BYU team was
being coached by Urban Meyer or a coach of that caliber, BYU would be undefeated
and heading to a BCS this year.You have to lay all of the blame on
I am not about to jump off the bandwagon, but the talent level is as good as
ever; coaching is not. Game planning is non-existent. Just execute is the
mantra. But if there is no game planning, all the execution is not going to get
anywhere. Our offensive and defensive coordinators are inferior to many in the
past- especially on offense. Norm Chow is much better than Anae.
The Cougars were forced early on this season to get creative when golden child
Unga pulled his hammy! What a concept...lets use the great talent of other
running backs and receivers to overcome the loss of brain fade by running Harvey
up the middle every time! When the Cougars were mixing it up on offense using
DiLuigi and Kariya running different routes than "up the middle," the Cougars
opponents did know what to do.As soon as golden boy gets "healthy"
(don't get me wrong, Harvey can seriously run the ball well) Anae puts the same
old same 'o offense together again and guess what? The Cougars oppenents know
how to whip us. Look at SDSU, they were cleaning our clocks during the first
quarter of that game. BYU had some luck to leave QualComm with a "W" instead of
and "L."Come on Coach Anae, use the right side of your cranium for a
I was very disapointed with my BYU team. They are better players than that.
BYU needs a new Off. Coordinator.......Anae is good, but He does not prepare
the team for what they are facing each week. If He stays He needs to rethink
his approach. That is all I have to say. They can still make a very good year
out of this. Good luck Cougs.
Anyone can make an excuse, but simply put--we got out played!! There's enough
blame: poor coaching, lack of fire, poor excution, lack of defense etc. But the
true fact is TCU on Saturday was better than the Y. Coaches and players will
recover for the rest of the season and probably end up with a winning 10-2.The one thing I see missing from this team and the those of the past few
years, is the ability to come out after the half and take control. We got
spoiled in those former years, because it didn't matter what we did the first
half, corrections were made and we took control the second half.I've
heard alot of people say "we needed Mckay". I agree he could have made a
difference, but a team with the history of BYU should always have a stable of
deep receivers ready to step in an make the big play. Opening up the rest of
the game. What counts now is what the team does the rest of the season, I
believe they are good enough to come back!!! We'll Bowl somewhere!!
This season is remarkably similar to last year. Fast start, get creamed by TCU,
squeak by mediocre MWC teams before getting beat (again) by Utah and probably
lose to a 5th place PAC10 team in another rendition of the "Pampers, Who Cares?"
bowl. If this is Bronco's idea of taking BYU back to past glory I think he
better start rereading BYU history. LaVell always said he hired the best
assistants he could find ie. Chow, Holmgren and Scovil (amonng others) at OC and
guys that actually played defense in the NFL that knew what the heck they were
doing ie. Whittingham (Kyle's dad among others) BYU has never recruited 4 and 5
star athletes but consistently won because of great coaching. Boise State
doesn't get 5 star talent but Chris Peterson ALWAYS has his teams prepared to
win week after week. Bishop Bronco and his Merry Men need to heed their own
formula for success and start "performing at a higher level"
This whole comment section is cracking me up. Let's complain about how
predictable Anae is, and how he can't convert on 3rd down because of it. We are
3rd in the nation.Let's bring back coach Chow so we can be less
predictable. People complained about how predictable Chow was the whole time he
was here, I watched as over and over again fans would guess what he was going to
do, and they were right. After leaving BYU Chow continued to show that he
didn't have what it takes, right? Come on, ridiculous. Chow's approach,
execution. Sound familiar to anyone?Let's replace Max Hall because Riley
Nelson is so much better. We have really seen what Riley can do in the 10-15
downs he has been in. I recall like 3 passes, maybe. 2nd winningest QB in BYU
history, better int/td ratio than Detmer, Young, and Boscoe. (Hiesman, NFL HofF,
National Championship sound familiar to anyone?)2-2 against TCU, 4-5
against Utah, in their BEST decade of football. Things turn quickly,
we’ll see who has sustainability. We'll continue to to back and forth
with two great programs.
Wow, do you work for the alumni association or something? BYU actually has very
good fan support with many people donating thousands every year. BYU might not
have Nike like money (Oregon), with huge donors, but they have as many people
donating a few thousand a year as probably anybody. Oh wait, I think this
might be Bronco. You are saying give the coach more money, and all of a sudden
he will be able to win? Hmmm. Where do you work at buddy? I would like to go
where pay comes before performance. Bronco gets paid better than a lot of
coaches. He probably got paid more than Kyle until this year, and he is still
probably close. I guess Bronco is like a lot of people in their jobs. They
figure out that they have a pretty secure job and basically just mail it in and
do mediocre work.
I feel that is very easy to criticize and condemn the BYU football team and
coaching staff. But are we going to be part of the problem or part of the
solution as a BYU fan base?Many schools that are very successful in
sports such as USC, UCLA, TCU, ... also have a very supportive fan base. Their
alumni donate and raise millions of dollars to help their athletic departments.
The fans help their coaches recruit top notch athletes from around the country.
So why aren't BYU fans and alumni donating lots of money to help us
become a great football team? Why aren't we as fans helping refer and encourage
the top notch athletes that we know who are either LDS or non LDS to come to BYU
and play for the team? The BYU coaches like Mendenhall and Edwards can only do
some much with what they have been given. I feel it is time for the BYU fans
and alumni to start donating tons of money like other top notch schools do.
Mendenhall doesn't get paid like other top notch football coaches do. So are we
part of the problem or the solution?
I think BYU could improve their game a great deal just by adding more vareity to
their plays and formations, have specific plays that you practice all the time
just for the Utah and TCU games which are outside the usual BYU repetorie, and
dont go away from running the ball when Harvey is cutting through TCU's defense
like he did. We have a huge offensive line, and prior to getting behind so bad
we should have run and play smash mouth football. Defensive linemen,
linebackers, and db's dont really like getting pushed around and hit all day by
big linemen and tight ends out there continually knocking them around. Also,
Hughes speed is mitigated by running between the tackles or having a TE and an
OT double up on him and knock him around.
Players don't need to run faster than a 4.5 except for maybe in the WR and DB
spots, genius. And don't get going about all of that nonsense about
how all of Utah's players run 4.2's, good freak.
Utah is no TCU. Utah has been superior in the Whittingham era winning 3 of 4
BYU continues to displace its inability to play-make when it counts. Anyone can
beat a lackluster mountain west conference team, but when it comes down to it,
BYU can't make the plays when it counts. To be a top level team you need to
handle pressure well, something BYU has consistently failed to do in the last
several years. This lack of focus by the BYU team will not improve until
BYU fans expect to see more than a conference championship and a trip to the Las
Vegas bowl out of their team. What kind of message does it send to the players
if the fight song is played after LOSING?! It says that losing is acceptable.
The church and sports are separate activities and should be treated as
such. Graciousness towards a rival team douses the flames of competitive edge.
Still not one kid with better than 4.5 speed. Keep recruiting slow and you will
keep being slow. Anybody remember the definition of insanity?
I think BYU did run the ball against TCU....I remember a series where BYU had a
1st and 20 following a holding penalty,,,and BYU ran the ball...three times! on
4th and 9, they punted....great play calling, great BYU strategy....at that
point I said "they have alreay thrown in the towel....I think the rest of the
game Bronco was speaking "French"!
Geez...I have never read so many clueless comments! You can't run yourself back
into a game that you are trailing....ever! TCU had us 21-0 and unga at ten yds a
whack is not going to get you back into the game....this loss belongs to
Hall...period! Retire him...YESTERDAY!!
Utah is getting what done today? Not what they were doing last year. At least
BYU is staying consisent. We've just got to figure out how to correct where we
are falling short, and that is finding a way to beat the more athletic teams.With more athletic recruits coming next year, the problem should work
itself out. I'm optimistic.
What did Bronco and the Cougars expect? It was almost identical to last year.
Outcoached, frozen by speed, missed tackles, inability to excute plays and
bonehead plays on defense that cost the Cougars the game. Bronco needs to man up
and realize that he failed to prepare his players, coaches and himself for the
game. He can't get his players up for the game and they came out flat. the whole
stadium was dead (players and fans) and this was our homecoming? Recruiting must
change, coaching must change and our mindset that we are superior must change.
10-2 or 10-3 is good, but we shouldn't accept it. Once you get there year after
year you need to make your team better, not plateau!
The problem is those little fast guys were knocking our big sluggards off the
I think "we" should fire Bronco. I think "we" should bench max hall and put in
Riley Nelson. I think "our" program is in the dumps. I think "we" are going to
lose to Utah and AF and maybe Wyoming. I think "we" have terrible coaches. I
think "we" should go jump off a bridge and cease to exist. It's
become a little obvious that Yewts want cougarfans to be saying certain things
so badly that they're now posing as BYU fans. Don't get me wrong, a frustrated
BYU fan might say just about anything, but these boards are inundated with
I see many here still believe the myth that Lavell Edward's teams finished 11-2
or 12-1 or 13-0 every year, played awesome defense, and were NEVER blown off the
field by faster, more athletic teams.Here's some scores from BYU's
bowl games during the Lavell Edwards era:1976: Lost to Oklahoma
State, 49-211979: Lost to Indiana, 38-371980: Beat SMU, 46-451981: Beat Washington State, 38-361986: Lost to UCLA, 31-101989:
Lost to Penn State, 50-391990: Lost to Texas A&M, 65-14 (still the worst
loss in modern BYU history)1998: Lost to Tulane, 41-27I don't
see many defensive slugouts in that list.You people are seriously,
SERIOUSLY deluded if you honestly believe that Bronco's recent losses are the
worst in BYU history, and that Lavell Edwards always had tough teams.Learn your own team's history, for cryin' out loud.And that
applies to you Ute trolls pretending to be disgruntled BYU fans, too: For
starters, you can learn about how prior to Urban Meyer the Utah football program
was mediocre at best and downright putrid at worst.
No question that BYU's defense is the problem with the team. Next is wide
receivers. Third is offensive play calling and offensive preparation.Bronco actually thought BYU won the special teams phase of the game. Why the
self-deception?I guess the BYU coaches think they need to protect
the defense. The defense, specifically scheme and technique, are huge problems.
Once a team steamrolls you on offense, your offense can only come back if the
other defense is mediocre.Still, even with a relatively weak
defense, the team will still win a lot of games and has a chance to win 10 or
more games 4 years in a row and 5 times in the decade.The fear is
slippage in relation to other programs and embarrassing losses. If this team
loses to a middle or lower tier team in the conference, then we need to think
about coaching changes.Why is the offense not designed around
getting Pitta and George 15 to 20 touches per game? Where are the formations
that would allow it to happen? Don't let the defense take away your best
BYU fan gets all hot and bothered about next years recruites; but as Lee Corso
says "not so fast". Current recruiting rankings (Rivals) has BYU at 22 Utah 33
and TCU 63. Unfortunetly, BYU has extended all of its offeres for 2010. Utah
still has 11 and TCU 17 - watch how the gap closes. My point is BYU's belief
that some stong recruitment class is coming to save the day is simple unfounded.
My guess is BYU's 2010 class will end up around 50 to 55 nationally. TOTAL 5star 4star 2star Avg Stars ptsBYU 25 0
4 13 2.84 1001 UTAH 14 0 4 10 3.00
591TCU 8 0 0 7 2.63 170
How's that Heisman thing working out?
A couple of observations:1. BYU coaches sometimes drop the ball
recruiting.Some years past, I put Coach Doman, who was visiting northern
California, onto a top local junior college corner who was a 3-sport athlete,
black, 6' 3", fast and devout LDS. He was never contacted.2. The
coaching staff sometimes seems wooden and inflexible with game plans. One
antidote to defensive speed is a smash mouth running game. Several opponents and
analysts have mentioned the hard hitting of BYU's offensive line and backs.
Against TCU Unga's running game was working. But instead of wearing TCU down
with a steady diet of Tonga, Unga, Tonga, Unga BYU coaches kept trying to
establish a non-existent passing game, allowing TCU to just pin their ears back
and rush Hall silly.I hope coaches can learn to adjust their game plan to
something other than pass, pass, pass, when necessary. If not, they will
consistently be outcoached by good coaches.
I don't buy the "superior athletes" thing. Does TCU have better athletes than
BYU? No question. Are they so vastly superior as to explain a 70 - 14 beatdown
in the past two years? No way. The real difference comes down to two
issues:1. Lack of coaching2. Lack of heartPeriod.
The church hierarchy needs to extend a calling to Andy Reid or Mike Holmgren, as
they did to Kim Clark, with a multi-million dollar salary per year to get things
on track. When this happens I’ll be a believer. Keep the faith and
here’s to a top ten-football program.
I hear alot about 1984. I hear alot about 2010 recruting class being the
greatest thing since sliced bread.Yesterday is history,tomorrow is a
mystery, today is where you get it done!Bronco: Get some fire, let
it out, give it to your team. On the side line you look like Andy Gump after
someone stole his jello.
Umm, I think BYU's defense definitely got the job done by holding TCU to only 38
points. I mean, they are BYU, what do you expect them to do, hold a team to
14-20 points? Not a chance.
No defense eh? Here are our "non-defensive" recruits coming in for
next season:Linebackers:#7 MLB Zac freaking Stout! (when
is the last time Utah had a defensive recruit like him?)#11 OLB Kyle Van
Noy from last year#45 OLB Alani Fua#56 OLB Sae Tautu#65 OLB
Joey Owens#84 OLB Collin Keoshian (this guy's highlights are amazing,
he'll be moved to middle linebacker and will be very athletic for the position,
especially next to Zac Stout).#115 OLB Teu KautaiDefensive
Line:#11 DE Bronson Kaufusi (he won't play until 2012 unfortunately
because of injury, but dang that guy will be a beast)Graham Rowley give or
take could be placed on the D-line if necessary, he was #21 at DT before being
profiled as one of the top #10 guards on the offensive line, (#7 specifically).
He will be a force on either side of the trenches#34 DE Kona Schwenke#50 DT Tuni Kanuch#105 DT Jordan Afo#125 DE Hauli JamoraDefensive Backs:#85 CB Jordan Johnson#111 CB Kori GainesWe'll have a strong front 7, and we've loaded up on defensive backs
already this year.
"TCU has better athletes and BYU will never match up to them"Really?
In 2005 BYU scored 50 points against TCU at home. In 2006 BYU scored 31 points
against them on the road and won the game 31-17. TCU was ranked #15 at the
time. In 2007 BYU beat TCU 27-22 at home.Max Hall is a good passer
but not a solid athlete in the classic sense. He has a talented but
inexperienced offensive line and his one good wide receiver is injured.Next year with Riley Neilson, who is athletic (i.e. can run for yardage when
the pocket breaks down like John Beck did), a more experienced line and McKay
Jacobsen and Ross Apo at wide receivers I think the results are going to be
quite a bit different. Harvey Unga will be back for his senior year
as well and he rushed for 123 yards against TCU this year in spite of the blow
out. The biggest concern to me is getting a defensive secondary who are
athletic and well coached. I think this is the real ongoing problem for BYU.
I didn't realize Usain Bolt was an LDS kid who played football in Utah. Your kid
was not a 3.65 runner, or else he would literally be the fastest man alive.
Bronco does a pretty good job getting local kids, but they do tend to let them
fall into their lap rather than come after them aggressively.Re:
Original SuperfanI understand your frustration with going away from the
run, but you absolutely DO have to spread out the feild. Also, when you are down
by, say 21 points, your options are pretty limited. You have to throw the ball
and score quickly. Not have 6-8 minute drives where you run the ball 20 times.
Don't concentrate too much on the running numbers when you get crushed.
Sometimes the other teams scheme is to give you a little on the run to close
down the pass. That is a word that BYU coaches don't really understand, scheme.
You know, their are certain strategies to winning football games that don't
involve giving the best fireside the night before.
When BYU place UCLA last year they were mad. They had been the nation wide
center of ridicule for a "fluke" win over Washington and everyone thought that
UCLA was going to each their lunch. BYU doesn't play like this on a regular
basis. Although I think the firesides are commendable, football, especially
defense, is violent. Whenever I go to church and participate I become less
inclined to hit people. Do the fireside after the game - (although it would be
weird following a loss) - a loss like this points to coaching - the
inconsistency in play this year also points to coaching - the kids are not
mentally prepared to play - especially on defense (they were against OU, which
appears to reflect the players commitment over the summer when no coaches were
Wake up BYU fans why do you think Coach Whitt picked Utah over BYU He looked
down the road and saw where both teams were going and he picked the winner.
You're going to lose to Utah at home...WATCH & SEE!!!
so many jumping off the band wagon so soon? Come on now. Stay with the program.
Developing slower than you like, but developing. Unga was great. Only 2
things I see really: need a better maybe more emotional leader at QB and please
someone give me a pass rush. Let's go blue!
What worries me is Anae's comment that "You have to stretch out a defense" which
is NOT true. When your running back averages 6 yards a carry against a highly
touted TCU defense (and his longest run was only 16 yards, so his numbers
weren't skewed by a HUGE run), obviously SOMETHING was working. Even if a
defense lines up 11 guys in the box against you, and you can continue to run the
ball effectively, then DO IT. You do not have to pass to be effective. When Anae
finally buys into the run game, he will find that the passing game is wide open.
Stop trying to run laterally, just run straight up the gut of the defense, make
them stop you.Harvy Unga is a manbeast, run his legs off. If he
needs a breather, bring in Kariya and run his legs off till Unga is rested
again. Oh, and for the love of all that precious, STOP having Tonga
run the ball. He should be blocking and catching little passes out of the
thinking that play call will improve and put someone on the defense, and someone
who can block on the O line
I HATE Bronco's approach to the game. He needs to realize and remember that the
players on the team already have a bishop. He is a football coach. His job is
to do what he needs to do to win games. I watched carefully during the game,
and every time Bronco was shown on TV I paid close attention. Guess how many
times I saw his lips move. ZERO. Guess how many times I saw him say something
to a player, another coach, an official. ZERO. Why does he even wear that
microphone on the headset. He doesn't use it. Bronco, you are not Lavell
Edwards. The quiet approach worked for him. It isn't working for you. Get
some fire, get some passion, get some guts. I don't care what you say, you
don't prepare for TCU the same way you prepare for Tulane. If you do, you
aren't a good coach. You are holding your team back. They want intensity from
you and from each other. Let it come out. Remember, they already have a
bishop. They need a coach!
the byu coaching staff will never listen until fans attendance starts to
decrease--lower ticket sales. Then they will listen to the need for change. So
its up to the fans to protest and not attend games and sell the tickets. Start
now if you want change to occur asap
Great recruiting by BYU???Stop looking at Sports Illustrated and others
that rate recruits. They are not accurate. Bronco turns away too many great
recruits who would love to play there while looking for problems from Hawaii,
California and Texas. I had a kid play for me a couple of years back who was a
3.65 40, 180 lb. back who was a Utah All-stater twice and Bronco wouldn't talk
with him. Great LDS player who went elsewhere because of Bronco's great
recruiting. Lack of preparation by this coaching staff is the problem and it is
in every facet of their game.
1. Speed and athleticism are more important than size. 2. Defense
wins championshipsBYU is loaded up with offensive talent. We don't
need two All American Tight Ends. We need more of a pass rush. Why not train
George to rush as a Defensive End or Tackle? We need speedier DB's.
Why not train some of our faster receivers to be DB's. Utah
converted Kruger from Quarterback to Defensive End. They converted Sean Smith
from a receiver to an amazing cornerback who starts on Sundays. Weddle was an
offensive player in High School and converted to Defense.BYU has to
think outside of the box and get more creative with their personnel and develop
the talent that they have.
Neither is worth a darn right now! It falls on both players and coaches.
Let's hear it for TCU.....they are a true powerhouse this year. May they run
the table and bring all of us a share of that $17million BCS loot!(Hey Boysie State, figure a way out of your sorry conference and come get you
some in the MWC......you'll love it! And, so will we!!!)
Re: Utah is not TCU or BYUWhat??? We've had THAT many down years?? I
did not know that.
Cry me a river BYU fan...."waahh"
I'm wondering if Bronco got those 27 easily correctable assignment errors fixed
that he saw in the FSU game and what we saw against TCU was 27 new easily
correctable assignment errors.Seems to me the team shot the whole
wad on the OU and Tulane games and since then has had a "we're great" attitude
that has caused them to think they didn't need to prepare that hard for their
other games. Very bad news if that's the case, but it's part of the coaches jobs
to be able to spot that and correct it through good motivation techniques. Maybe
the coaches also had that attitude.Even Texas State-San Marcos
(whoever the heck they are) put up 21 points on TCU.
For those who continue to blame the QB for losses, you miss the obvious:
football is a TEAM game. The difference between BYU and TCU wasn't the talent of
the QBs, it was the protection they got (or missed) to throw the ball. If Hall
had the time that Dalton was given, he would have passed for more yards, TDs,
etc. (Dalton is a better runner, but not passer.)So, let's lay off
the criticism of a senior QB who has done a yeoman job with limited support on
Holy cow what cool aide are you drinking guy? BYU got exposed 70-14 over two
years against TCU and the obvious reason for anyone who actually paid attention
was the mismatch in talent level of the two programs. When Edwards ran the show
BYU had some awesome defensive players many of which found their way into the
NFL. How many of Bronco's defensive recruits are in the NFL or even have a
chance? None of BYU's defense would start on TCU or Utah. None. If the
recruiting improves you will see BYU winning conference championships again
otherwise BYU will continually finish third behind TCU and Utah.
I think the Utes are not TCU and never will be TCU. TCU will beat the Utes going
away. BYU will finally take some lessons from what others do to
succeed against one of our opponents (after watching TCU whip Utah) and BYU will
win, going away, against a Utah team, when they are reeling from their defeat in
Fort Worth.Or Utah will whip TCU and whip BYU every single year,
because they never have a down year like 3 out of the last 4, or 40 out of the
Why so much whining about running the ball? Unga had 123 and easily could have
had 200. Running wasn't the problem; abandoning the run was! Stick with what
I think it all boils down to getting some speed. Especially on defense and at
the split end position. Our DB's can't stay up with opponents recievers, and we
need more Jacobsen type receivers to stretch out opponents defense. We have
never had an abundance of speed that I can ever remember.
Yewties?? Keep talking smack...I guess BYU can always adopt the Utah Winning
Philosphy??So what if we lose to everyone, just so long as we beat
Lavell was a much better recruiter than Bronco. Edwards got better athletes for
sure especially on defense. I don't know if Bronco is purposely recruiting these
kids or if he is being told to but either way BYU needs a player upgrade
otherwise they will finish third every year behind TCU and Utah.
This is what Andy Staples of Sports Illustrated online said after ranking BYU at
#24 in his Top 25 Power Rankings this week:"This certainly wasn't
where the Cougars expected to be after they shocked Oklahoma in Week 1.
Unfortunately, despite coach Bronco Mendenhall's excellent recruiting efforts,
BYU is not at an elite level quite yet."Even neutral national
columnists recognize that Bronco is doing a great job of recruiting and building
the program. Only Ute Trolls and BYU Whiners are so dense as to not see it.
the penalties, the inept passing by Hall, the protection break down all stem
from the fact that TCU was simply faster and much more athletic than BYU. If BYU
wants to compete with TCU going forward they need better athletes. If not then
just settle for third place in the MWC every year. Pretty simple. Utah's defense
will also shut the Y down because they are on par with TCU athletically. Bronco
can analyze and over analyze but it all boils down to getting better players.
How about 6-6? I think that's more likely based on how we're playing lately. I
love the optimism of some BYU fans. Im just don't see how anyone thinks we'll
go 10-2 with tough games against Air Force and Utah ahead. Wyoming may even be
Everyone can yak about speed, execution, etc, etc but the fact remains that the
Cougs have just not 'clicked' since the Tulane game. Seems like something is
amiss. No confidence. Just can't seem to maintain any consistency in any game.
Hopefully they can get things polished up. Go Cougs!!
I think Utah's defense is going to do the same thing to BYU that TCU did: Shut
us down.Utah will win that game going away.
BYU's recruiting class is great next yr... for offense... GET SOME DEFENSE!!!!!
Common guys seriously, please someone recruit some secondary, get some speed. I
love TCU's idea for defense, put Tonga and other huge FB's and RB's at D-End and
lineback, teach them how to play it, that is genius. Byu out done once again
Re: Perspective I don't know about the "over achievers" part of your
comment, but you certainly have the "self-righteous" part right.
BYU fans claim to have a top recruiting class coming in 2010. Although Rivals
and Scout rate the class CURENTLY between 12 & 22 the reality is that this group
will end up somewhere between 30-50. Outside of Heaps the class is pretty
typical — big and slow Mormons. The reason for the somewhat high CURRENT
ranking is based on the number of scholarships (25 and maxed out for the year)
BYU has offered to date — which averages a 2.8 star average. Utah has 14
scholarships with an average of 3 stars. I would not be surprised that when all
is said and done the Utah recruiting class of 2010 will be ranked higher than
Play of the game... 1st Q. 2nd and 2 while driving. Everyone figured it to be a
passing down. Hall behind center to drop back and TCU rushed heavily. 3rd and 7
resulted. Bad call. Bad position. Rest of game followed suit. If we'd have
rushed or gone to shotgun, 3rd and 1 at least and drive alive. Could have been
7-7 at the quarter. Disaster instead.
As a Cougar fan I am disappointed in the performance against TCU. The one thing
I did see that looked familiar (see FSU game) is that the Refs were letting the
"athletic" TCU cornerbacks use a handful of jersey as part of their strategy to
guard the "very atheletic" BYU receivers. If they don't call that, BYU has no
chance. I wonder if that is the way Gary Patterson coaches them to play--it
isn't cheating, unless you get caught. Hmmm. That said, I don't think BYU wins
that game last Saturday, anyway. I just wish that the MWC didn't have the worst
refs on the planet.
Okay, Riley Nelson brings a whole new what? What is demention? I finally
realized you meant to say "a whole new dimension" and not that Riley was somehow
a demented person. Too bad this doesn't have a spell check. Some things you can
let slide and others are pretty funny. This one was very funny.We have
recruited well this last year with the verbals we have for 2010. Where we have a
weakness is in getting tall, athletic, and fast cornerbacks. We don't need to
change the honor code. We need young men that will follow the honor code. In the
past we've had some great safties, linebackers, and defensive linemen. We've
always had trouble with corners. We've had some good smaller corners. We
just don't get the tall ones. We do our best with corners when we go after some
successful JC corners who are a bit taller and more athletic.I like
Patterson's idea of recruiting speed and shifting them to another position that
is needed. I do think we could follow that model with corners.
BYU has to face the fact that what it takes to have a high-caliber athletic
program and what it means to be "BYU" are drifting farther and farther apart.
At some point, BYU will have to decide whether it wants to have an
inter-collegiate athletic program or whether it wants to adhere to "BYU"
standards. Unfortunately, that day will come, and as an alum, I hope that the
decision is made in favor of maintaining BYU's academic and conduct standards.
First off, I agree about thursday and friday stuff, thats great. Here is where
it is wrong, our linebackers and D-lineman are the only average defenders we
have, its our secondary that is terrible and Jamie Hill is the one who recruited
them, I think it is a sign when SDSU says no to Logan and we jump all over him
like we won the lottery when this kid is a divison II DB at best, him and
Bradley are terrible along with Rich. Our D recruiting is terrible, Robert Anae
has no excuse, he can beat up on UNLV's all day we need some creativty and
execution VS good teams, like TCU... With that said the truth of it is that BYU
just isnt very good and TCU is excellent, great recruiting, great coaching, a
lot of fire... We lack all of those, but the upside is we have firesides for the
players!! Suppppperr duppper Cougs, we beat everyone there!!!!
Number of comments in today's story about Utah's offense: 3Number
of comments in today's story about BYU's offense: 30Come on, Ute
fans, if your team is so superior why then do you continue to obsess over BYU
and Bronco Mendenhall?
Bronco is the man! What he's done for the BYU football program is amazing.
Thursday's Heroes and Friday firesides make me totally admire him and the team.
He's got them winning practically as much as they ever did and has consistently
had them in the top 25.That said, his coordinators are getting out
coached. They do not game plan very well-especially on offense. Hill will have
better years when he's got a more typical group of BYU linebackers and D-line.
This year's group is good, but no NFL prospects in the crew. So I think Hill
will see better days. But I think Anae has plenty of offensive talent to work
with and never seems to out think and out coach the opposition. In game
adjustments either don't happen or don't work. Anae seems like a
nice guy and is a good OC, but definitely not a great OC. If Bronco indeed wants
to take it to the next level, he should find a great OC.
I can easily live with losing to a better TCU team. What I can't forgive
however, is BYU not trying to win. A great example of not wanting to win was in
the third quarter with the score 24-7 and BYU had the ball near midfield. It
was fourth and two, and what does Bronco do? HE PUNTS!!!! Naturally, TCU gets
the ball and they score on a 70 yard bomb!! 31-7 game over!! Hey, Bronco, a
little suggestion, when you are playing a team that is clearly better at every
position, give yourself and your team an opportunity to win. Go for it on 4th
and two!!! What difference would it really have made if TCU got the ball at
midfield versus on the ten yard line? Your defense couldn't stop TCU anywhere
on the field!! Give your offense an opportunity to sustain a drive, get some
confidence, and maybe, just maybe, get back into the game. You may still have
lost, but at least you go down fighting!!!!!!!!
i agree changes are needed...the weaknesses are in recruiting defensive speed
who can live the honor code. Also, the QB coach needs to be replaced and Anae is
on the bubble IMHO. Ty Detmer has expressed interest in coaching...give him a
chance at QB coach..especially with Jake Heaps coming in. Brandon Doman is not
cutting it. Detmer could then take over Anae's job in a few years and then take
over the HC job when Bronco retires in 9 years or less.
"So possibly we'll have to continue to look at scheme and personnel to combat
that type of team speed".....B Mendenhall.Coog fans get used to
hearing that every year. Bronco thinks it's possibly a problem. I love it -
that philosophy will keep byu a good team but will prevent them from ever
reaching the next level and being great.Thanks Bronco.Go
Utes!!! I like our chances every year against that mentality
I agree that Maxie is not the one we need as nono robert nono stated. Riley
Nelson is the future and brings a whole new demention. Get maxie out and put
BYU will still go 10-2 or 9-3 with a trip to a bowl game. I went to the Y when
Matt Berry and John Beck (he wasn't really good until his senior year) were
quarterbacks. I've sat in the top corner of the north endzone with room to spare
all around me.The 3 consecutive losing seasons composed 75% of my
time at BYU.Chill Y fans. Stop acting out like the lot of self
righteous over achievers everyone thinks we are. Cheer hard for the Cougars and
support a program that continues to improve recruiting classes and garner
10-2 my friend is a good season and guess what... Its the type of season we have
every year!!!! Please I wish there was a BYU fan that wanted a little bit more
for the fball program instead of 10-2 seasons with the Las Vegas bowl every yr.
Also, we will not win out, Air Force is 10th in total D in the nation right now
which we have proven we stink VS a fast D which they have and their #1 in the
nation for rushing Offense... We will lose to AF and could easily lose to Utah.
Utah has something BYU doesnt, its called athletes who run faster than 5.6 40
times and DB's taller than 5 foot 2 inches. This yr will not be pretty for us,
hopefully we make the papa johns.com bowl vs Alabama State Western
I thought Max was about to break some of BYU legend Ty Detmer's records. BYU
simply got out coached, and out played. Give credit to TCU's defense, they
thought who they thought they were, but this time they weren't let off the hook.
If that makes any sense let me know.
Robert Anae do you want to know why we cant convert 3rd downs? Because your
running the ball or doing QB draws on 3rd down, that is not BYU!!! He would like
to commend MAx Hall on a good game??? What is wrong with our coaching staff? Get
some fire, Max played terrible, BYU played terrible, lets all admit it and make
the changes, get Riley Nelson in... Max your great for 1 game we need you a yr
and VS. highschool teams like UNLV, but please learn how to step up in a big
game more than once a yr...
BYU leads the MWC in total yards per game and points per game.
BYU is a great football team, but a bit of a head case. BYU is not as good as
TCU, so they have to play with a chip on their shoulder. It seemed to me a
self-fulfilling prophecy . . . I don't think they thought they could win, and
when the first bad play came around, they lost their fight. Bronco has to
inspire this team . . . he needs a little fight in him . . . more church ball,
less seminary teacher.
"How many fast athletes would rather play on natural grass vs. the newer
rubberized, synthetic fields like the one at RES? Answer, very few."Answer: probably the best recruiting class BYU has ever had in 2010.
Bronco should have been impressed before the game wilth TCU"s talent a little
late after the game. Not sure if the talen level on the Y is that bad or TCU is
that good or if it is not preparing for games like they should, may be a little
of all three. Can we ever look for a MWC title in football not with the way
things are going, 10-2 or 9-3 is not a bad season if we can beat Utah.
We need bloggers who have a clue.
But they beat Oklahoma, It was no fluke. Utah beat Alabama. BYU isn't trying to
"bust the BCS". BYU is simply trying to try to play like they did in 1984 be the
best they can be.to wow and young:Anae is a good O
cordinator, BYU is lucky to have him. The OL needs work but the DL and secondary
needs work also. BYU needs This Bye to work things out. Don't be to harsh on the
guys who coached the game against oklahoma, UNLV, Tulane, sandeigo.....
Yeah, grass is the problem. That's why no NFL teams play on it. How do people come up with this stuff?
Get back in the unemployment line so you can get a life and a job.
"I was really impressed with their talent."Harvey Unga averaged 6
yards per carry -- and was only given the ball 21 times.BYU's
secondary wasn't burned by speed, they blew assignments on trick plays.BYU WAS OUT COACHED. PERIOD.If they start believing the
losses are due to "talent" (like Oklahoma didn't have "talent?"), then they will
start being stupid, and gimmicky and thinking you win through psychology. Oh
wait, Bronco is already way too enamored with mind games.MAN UP,
COACHES. If you are bigger, and they are faster RUN THE BALL.
Don't pass on first down so much, just knock people off the ball.If
they have a great pass rush, use three and five step drops, not seven step drops
-- duh!!!Of course, what do I know, "my level of education about
football" isn't that great, which is why BYU got pasted -- AGAIN!Let's have a fireside the night before. That'll fix it.
Ten and 2 is a good year after BYU wins out. Utah will lose at least 3 and maybe
a total of four. BYU is a good team, however TCU has put together a great team.
Bronco is the coach we need at BYU. We need to keep the young men that go to BYU
in the right perspective. Their is more to life then football. I agree the play
calling is troubling. Not going for it on 4and 2, Try faking a punt. their was
one situation the punter could of ran for 20 years, unless our punters are too
slow. Where is Norm Chow when you need him.
Actually... I don't think BYU's win over Oklahoma was a fluke. Truth is that
BYU seems to do very well against the best "big & strong" teams. Their problem
comes when they play against "quick" teams.
One game cannot define a program whether it is beating Oklahoma or losing to
TCU. As I keep saying, playing the game has to have emotion and not be
robotic.We we were charged for OK, then too workmanlike for TCU. If
you can't bring the emotion and can only explain that "we simply did not
execute", I don't buy into that.While I'm disapponted over the TCU
and FSU losses, I still support the Cougs and predict a win out of their
remaining games including their bowl game. 11-2 ain't bad! Should be the same
record as the Utes when they lose to the Cougs and TCU in coming weeks!
Get a clue, Cougar Kingdom is not as it appears to be.In essence, faster,
younger more athletic will win out.Patterson knows how to handle the
tendencies and has out prepared the Y consistently since his Frogs entered the
EXPOSED. BYU was never good and the win against Oklahoma was a fluke. Don't
plan on being BCS busters anytime soon, but you can enjoy in the your big
brother's glory up North if you please.
we need a football coach not a seminary teacher what a joke this season has been
hope all is well in zion!
going away from big and slow. Going away from natural grass fields. BYU wasn't
in a "fog", they were being dismantled for the second year in a row by a faster,
more athletic team.How many fast athletes would rather play on
natural grass vs. the newer rubberized, synthetic fields like the one at RES?
Answer, very few.Allowing the grass to be just a little longer and
the field to be watered a little longer prior to a fast, athletic team's visit
isn't cutting it anymore. Change with the times or settle for second best.
After last year's beatdown in Texas why is their speed such a surprise?Does being on the Mtn preclude Bronco from watching highlights or getting game
film to scout TCU? (oh wait, TCU is also in the Mtn deal, hmm. Maybe Bronco
needs to pay some intern to DVR the TCU games so he can have a clue what they're
going to do and how good they are.)It was clear, one team was
prepared, the other team was still recovering from a week of the best practice
in the history of BYU football. Seriously, the Cougars looked like they were
in a fog, and had forgotten who they were and why they were there. Let's see, the biggest roadblock to gaining a BCS berth is coming into your
home stadium and you can't prepare the team better than what they were. Deer in
the headlights is an appropriate way to describe the Cougars response to TCU's
play. Reminds me of the big kid on the block who constantly pushes around the
little kids, but when a big kid from another block comes around and pushes him,
Without Jacobsen, we really didn't have receivers that could run past TCU's
defensive backs. The run game was working, but it could only do so much against
a top 10 defensive front in the nation. I think when you combine
that, with the key plays given up at key times, then you get the result. I really think had BYU played perfectly they may not have won, but they
at least could have made it a game. When you make mistakes against a team that
good this is what happens.
Even SMU whose record is 3-4 was able to score 14 points against TCU. When BYU can't score more than 7 points at home has to be an all-time low mark
for the BYU football program... Changes are needed!
TCU knew what plays BYU was going to run, as did a good number of people in the
stands.Anae has to make the offense unpredictable.
Anae revealed himself to be unequal to the task. That is where personnel changes
need to be made: Offensive Coordinator!