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BYU football: Cougs down after loss; let's see if they can rally
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Jack Wade | 10:29 p.m. Oct. 26, 2009
Simply put, the Cougars got lit up by an excellent TCU team. They can recover
from this, but what is alarming is that they are losing big at home...
Anonymous | 1:44 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
If the Cougars were to win the rest of their games, they would then be looking
back on a very good season and a bowl win.
no can do | 5:58 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Sorry, but the Cougars lack a strong leader anywhere on their team. Sitting
behind the TCU bench on Saturday, fans overheard TCU players saying the Cougars
had no confidence...this was after they were up 14-0.
BYU is and will forever be a decent mid-major team, similar to what they were in the Lavell years. Every once in a while they beat great teams, then would lose to teams like UTEP. But most years they beat up on a bad WAC conference and would go to a decent bowl game. Unfortunately now there are a few other good teams in the MWC and things have changed.
In addition, BYU is limited in its recruiting, and this will keep them big but slow and not able to compete with increasing speed in college football.
BYU is and will forever be a decent mid-major team, similar to what they were in the Lavell years. Every once in a while they beat great teams, then would lose to teams like UTEP. But most years they beat up on a bad WAC conference and would go to a decent bowl game. Unfortunately now there are a few other good teams in the MWC and things have changed.
In addition, BYU is limited in its recruiting, and this will keep them big but slow and not able to compete with increasing speed in college football.
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Howie | 6:06 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
The loss to UTEP in 1985 didn't end BYU's long winning streak -- that
streak came to an end earlier in the season when they lost to UCLA in the second
game of the season at home. The loss to UTEP was the second loss of that
season.
Dennis | 6:56 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Short answer to "Can the Cougars Rally"?
No.
No.
Mike | 7:38 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Get the Cougars down by two touchdowns and they fold. Hall is not a leader.
Maybe he should have stayed on his mission for the whole two years.
SSDY | 7:47 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Same Story - Different Year.
If Bronco Mendenhall had a shred of decency he'd turn in his keys to the coaches office and move on to the fireside speaking circuit. An excellent head football coach he is definately not...and I'm a lifelong BYU fan. Sorry, but that's how it is. I'm finding it easier and easier to root for the Utes. They show heart and determination where the Cougars roll over and play dead when the going gets rough.
Can we please retire Max hall yet? He's like the energizer bunny...he keeps on stinking and keeps on stinking. There is simply no excuse for playing so pathetically as a 3 year starter in a decent program. None.
I don't blame TCU on the BYU players. I lay that egg squarely on the shoulders of terrible coaching preparation and predictability.
Near the end of the first half I disgustedly said out loud to the others in the room "Watch them try and run it in three straight times." Don't tell me I can't read BYU football like a book Bronco. No, I think you might actually be the ignorant one.
If Bronco Mendenhall had a shred of decency he'd turn in his keys to the coaches office and move on to the fireside speaking circuit. An excellent head football coach he is definately not...and I'm a lifelong BYU fan. Sorry, but that's how it is. I'm finding it easier and easier to root for the Utes. They show heart and determination where the Cougars roll over and play dead when the going gets rough.
Can we please retire Max hall yet? He's like the energizer bunny...he keeps on stinking and keeps on stinking. There is simply no excuse for playing so pathetically as a 3 year starter in a decent program. None.
I don't blame TCU on the BYU players. I lay that egg squarely on the shoulders of terrible coaching preparation and predictability.
Near the end of the first half I disgustedly said out loud to the others in the room "Watch them try and run it in three straight times." Don't tell me I can't read BYU football like a book Bronco. No, I think you might actually be the ignorant one.
Henry Drummond | 7:52 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
There appears to be two issues. The first is that the BYU offensive line was
never able to handle the front four of the Frogs. They consistently had to add
extra protection just to handle a four man rush. That means fewer receivers to
throw to and more coverage by TCU. No wonder they only scored seven points. On
defense the same old problem still persists. Lack of speed.
There are techniques for overcoming the rush but Max just isn't very good at them because they involve rolling out and quarterback running plays. As far as the speed problem, that's a recruiting issue which may be difficult to address consistently under the BYU recruiting system.
There are techniques for overcoming the rush but Max just isn't very good at them because they involve rolling out and quarterback running plays. As far as the speed problem, that's a recruiting issue which may be difficult to address consistently under the BYU recruiting system.
WilkiTx | 7:56 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Seriously, who had BYU picked any better than 6-2 at this point in the season?
The losses to FSU and TCU are disapointing mostly because of the win over OU.
They have a great shot at 10 or 11 wins again which is a great season. They
could be better but I know a lot of Texas A&M fans that would kill for 10
wins every year.
Cougar Fan Clearfield | 8:09 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
BYU needs to look somewhere other than the tight ends. The tight ends were
double covered all night long but the wide receivers were one on one... and
open. I don't understand why Mr. Hall doesn't look to his other
receivers. BYU also needs some killer instinct. I don't see it. They get
down a little bit and the game is over. If I were the other team I would fight
to get the ball first every time I win the coin toss.
Sport | 8:21 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
I think the problem with the Y is not their lack of talent, because they have
talent; and it isn't the lack of coaching. The problem is that the mighty
cougars set their sights on the end of the season goals and not on what it takes
to win the game at hand. They are a team motivated by quips and cliches. They
seem to believe that if they believe that they are a BCS quality team that
somehow it will magically happen and they will win games. Teams with lesser
talent, lesser speed, and lesser quality coaching win when the odds are against
them, because they are focused on the game at hand and execute to win it.
Kevin in the Terrace | 8:27 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Seriously, BYU should have run the ball more and use the large O line, and big
backs to smash TCU in the mouth. I am not sure if the coaches at BYU have taken
physics yet but those are tools that, in every loss last year and this year, BYU
failed to use effectively.
KSL | 8:28 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Has there been a more terrible announcer in the history of college football than
Greg Wrubel? I'd sooner fall in a lake of aligators than have to listen to
that pathetic loser call another game.
Straight fastballs don't work | 8:40 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
The Cougs don't have to reinvent the wheel or change their basic identity
that works. However, they need to be more versatile than they are, from game to
game, and even from half to half. Alterations can be made on the fly. Like the
Miracle Bowl!
If you keep doing the same thing someone is bound to figure out how to stop you. It isn't about out executing the opponent. If your mentality is that we are going to do this and you try to stop us. Well, TCU just stopped you. The message should be loud and clear now. Make changes!
It can be done this season. If they think you are going left, go right. In theory, it's really easy, but now BYU needs to examine where we are too predictable, and how the same personnel can be used to keep teams guessing about the schemes.
Against Utah there will be no excuse. Utah, despite what delusional fans say, does not have more talented, faster athletes. They don't even execute their plays better. The only advantage Utah has is if BYU doesn't change things up, and Utah throws some curveballs.
If you keep doing the same thing someone is bound to figure out how to stop you. It isn't about out executing the opponent. If your mentality is that we are going to do this and you try to stop us. Well, TCU just stopped you. The message should be loud and clear now. Make changes!
It can be done this season. If they think you are going left, go right. In theory, it's really easy, but now BYU needs to examine where we are too predictable, and how the same personnel can be used to keep teams guessing about the schemes.
Against Utah there will be no excuse. Utah, despite what delusional fans say, does not have more talented, faster athletes. They don't even execute their plays better. The only advantage Utah has is if BYU doesn't change things up, and Utah throws some curveballs.
LOL at the Ute Fans | 8:53 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Who pretend to be Cougar fans, and the BYU fans who are whining babies.
Bronco should step down at the end of the season? Really? A coach who has a better overall record and more bowl victories in his first five seasons than Lavell Edwards did in his first five seasons?
If someone had told you in December 2004 that midway through Bronco Mendenhall's 5th season the Cougars would be 44-15 overall, be 2-2 in bowl games against PAC-10 opponents (a better record than Crowton or even Edwards, BTW), be 2-2 against the Utes, and have two conference championships under their belts 99% of you whiners would be doing handstands for joy.
BYU is a good team that has some issues on defense this year, especially in the secondary. They just weren't good or lucky enough to win all their games (yes, Ute fans, your 13-0 team was VERY lucky last year).
They have a very good chance of going 10-3 and a better than even chance of going 11-2, records that just 5 years ago would have been hailed as exceptional successes. Get some perspective, people.
Bronco should step down at the end of the season? Really? A coach who has a better overall record and more bowl victories in his first five seasons than Lavell Edwards did in his first five seasons?
If someone had told you in December 2004 that midway through Bronco Mendenhall's 5th season the Cougars would be 44-15 overall, be 2-2 in bowl games against PAC-10 opponents (a better record than Crowton or even Edwards, BTW), be 2-2 against the Utes, and have two conference championships under their belts 99% of you whiners would be doing handstands for joy.
BYU is a good team that has some issues on defense this year, especially in the secondary. They just weren't good or lucky enough to win all their games (yes, Ute fans, your 13-0 team was VERY lucky last year).
They have a very good chance of going 10-3 and a better than even chance of going 11-2, records that just 5 years ago would have been hailed as exceptional successes. Get some perspective, people.
Dave | 8:57 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
BYU has three major problems: 1) lack of leadership. Where is this team's
Ty Detmer, Robbie Boscoe, Jim McMahon or Steve Young. It doesn't have one!
2) Robert Anae. Any D coordinator who has read "Football for Dummies"
could pick apart his predictable offense. Hall needed more time to throw the
ball. But, did you see even one bootleg or designed rollout? I didn't think
so. 3) Lack of Accountability. Bronco preaches it. But, where was Bronco when
the offense could figure out how to call a play to make the Frogs'
defensive aggressiveness work in BYU's favor? Where was Bronco when Jaime
Hill stopped blitzing when blitzing Dalton was actually working?
BYU's biggest problems are the men in the mirror. The question is are they humble enough and teachable enough to learn the errors of their past mistakes? 2008 showed us they weren't last year. I'm not banking on them being able to do it this year.
BYU's biggest problems are the men in the mirror. The question is are they humble enough and teachable enough to learn the errors of their past mistakes? 2008 showed us they weren't last year. I'm not banking on them being able to do it this year.
re: Straight fastballs.... | 8:58 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
"Utah, despite what delusional fans say, does not have more talented,
faster athletes."
Are you kidding? Utah's team speed is very similar to TCU's. And we all saw what happened again with TCU and BYU.
I get the feeling you're trying to convince yourself that Utah doesn't have better athletes than BYU. Because you're the only one buying it.
Are you kidding? Utah's team speed is very similar to TCU's. And we all saw what happened again with TCU and BYU.
I get the feeling you're trying to convince yourself that Utah doesn't have better athletes than BYU. Because you're the only one buying it.
The Man | 9:05 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
This loss is on the coaches. BYU had no heart and BYU not willing to adjust
there game plan only piled on the lack of confidence. BYU has talnet and a lot
of it maybe not as much as some other teams or they are not as fast as others
but talent comes in different ways. If the coahcing staff can't sesign a
game plan around what they have and are not willing to make changes in the game
they will rarley win against good compition. ANae yelled a the players at hoalf
time that they are all to blame and he was not going to change the game plan.
As Patton said, a plan i sobsolete after the battle begins and adjustments need
to be made. I am not saing BYU would have won but they would not have looked so
pathetic.
Agree with lol | 9:11 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
But, it is aggravating every stinking year. Get hope up, only to be destroyed
in games we shouldn't lose. A TEAM SHOULD NEVER LOSE A HOME GAME!!!! That
is the way it should be. Especially if you want to keep fans. Bronco never
changes. He has to be winning at half time to win the game. And anae needs to
go. Too predictable.
TCU Alum | 9:23 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
What are you guys down about? So maybe the FSU loss was dissapointing but the
loss to TCU wasn't just a rivalry loss. It was a loss to a good,
legitimate, even proven #6 team in the country and you can't be too quick
to throw in the towel. It is obvious BYU has immense talent and that won't
change, it just happens to be TCU's year. Last year we got absolutely
whooped by OU who was #7 I think at the time, a legitimate team who deserved to
win. We didn't cry for Patterson's head and realized it was a top 10
team we lost to.
It just happens some years. Nevertheless we finished out #7 in the rankings after a loss to OU. If TCU goes undefeated and finishes in the top 5 this loss won't be a bad one. Keep your heads up. It's been a great rivalry with BYU still in the lead.
It just happens some years. Nevertheless we finished out #7 in the rankings after a loss to OU. If TCU goes undefeated and finishes in the top 5 this loss won't be a bad one. Keep your heads up. It's been a great rivalry with BYU still in the lead.
Really | 9:29 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Rally? To What?... and for what? BYU's season is over, and so is the next
one - 2010. I'll wait for Mr. Heaps to start watching BYU football again,
though come to think of it, Heaps will still be coached by the same inept
coaches that BYU has now. Oh well, maybe I'll watch TCU then. (Oh, and
stop the fairweather fan accusation. With BYU, it has always been
"fairweather"; never "fineweather", at least with games that
really count.)
One more...if they CAN rally, they still won't. But since thay can't, they won't either. So what's the difference?
One more...if they CAN rally, they still won't. But since thay can't, they won't either. So what's the difference?
Reality vs excuses | 9:31 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Dick, stop with the excuses already. BYU got KILLED by TCU and none of the
things are correctable unless you bring in new players and we will have to wait
on that one. This is a personnel issue and has NOTHING to do with play calling
or play execution. NOTHING!! Good grief Dick Harmon, BYU has gotten destroyed by
a combined score of 70-14 over the past two years so let's state the
obvious....BYU can't compete with TCU's talent!!!
DD | 9:41 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Some good comments! ! I really believe that BYU has a very good team, however
they love to live in the past. Every win is earned, every game needs to be
prepared for and every team member needs to take responsibility every time they
set their foot on the playing field. These are still young kids and they need to
be taught how to prepare. The coaches are not doing that. Just because some BYU
players are a little older and been on missions does not mean they know HOW to
prepare. Forget the past success's and reinvent BYU football.
Anonymous | 9:52 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
APOLOGIST ALERT!
BYU is a sham, good enough to beat the lesser teams but not good enough to be a champion or get to a BCS game.
BYU is a sham, good enough to beat the lesser teams but not good enough to be a champion or get to a BCS game.
re: cougar fan clearfield | 10:05 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Agreed, but the other team doesn't have to fight to get the ball first
because BYU continues to gladly give it to them. BYU consistently wins the coin
toss and chooses to defer, which puts the other teams offense on the field
first.
Bronco said he does this so they can get the ball to start the second half, but guess what- BYU has never scored on one of their opening 3rd quarter drives. 4 ended in a punt, 3 in interceptions, and 1 on downs. They have shown that they do not adjust at halftime and the other team does and the third quarter continues to be the worst quarter for BYU.
Adjustments need to be made, and our coaches won't show that they know how to do it.
BYU should be wanting their offense on the field to start the game and put some immediate pressure on the other team. If our offense is our strength then why would we not want them taking the field first?
Bronco said he does this so they can get the ball to start the second half, but guess what- BYU has never scored on one of their opening 3rd quarter drives. 4 ended in a punt, 3 in interceptions, and 1 on downs. They have shown that they do not adjust at halftime and the other team does and the third quarter continues to be the worst quarter for BYU.
Adjustments need to be made, and our coaches won't show that they know how to do it.
BYU should be wanting their offense on the field to start the game and put some immediate pressure on the other team. If our offense is our strength then why would we not want them taking the field first?
coaching | 10:17 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
A great assessment on the blog of the debacle Saturday-
I'm not as concerned about the defense as I am the offense- our supposed strength this season that with all the veterans would be unstoppable.
It seems to me that the coaching staff comes up with their game-plan during the week and then when it isn't working they are either too proud to adapt and change it (or too dumb to see that it's not working).
Even us ignorant fans could tell that things needed adapted and changed and it didn't happen. If nothing else, put Nelson in for a series or two and run your own 'wildcat' offense or some option and change things up a bit, or quit trying to throw on second and short and suffering sacks. Where is the adjustments by the coaching staff?
It seems to me that they feel that by making adjustments during the game they are admitting that their game-plan wasn't all that great- and they are just too arrogant to admit that. Even after the game it's all about poor execution- never about the wrong schemes.
Wake up coaches
I'm not as concerned about the defense as I am the offense- our supposed strength this season that with all the veterans would be unstoppable.
It seems to me that the coaching staff comes up with their game-plan during the week and then when it isn't working they are either too proud to adapt and change it (or too dumb to see that it's not working).
Even us ignorant fans could tell that things needed adapted and changed and it didn't happen. If nothing else, put Nelson in for a series or two and run your own 'wildcat' offense or some option and change things up a bit, or quit trying to throw on second and short and suffering sacks. Where is the adjustments by the coaching staff?
It seems to me that they feel that by making adjustments during the game they are admitting that their game-plan wasn't all that great- and they are just too arrogant to admit that. Even after the game it's all about poor execution- never about the wrong schemes.
Wake up coaches
re:Dave | 10:24 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Dave, if you have played college athletics (I have) you know that sometimes
after all you can do the guy across the line from you is just a whole lot better
and there isn't much you can do about it. Eventually he will wear you down
and blow by you. He is simply bigger, faster and stronger. Execution is a
by-product of talent and the 70-14 combined score of the TCU / BYU game over the
past two years clearly shows the talent mis-match between the two programs on
offense and defense. Yes Anae could have adjusted his game plan a bit but the
out come would have been about the same. BYU needs a talent upgrade in the their
football program to match that of TCU and Utah. BYU has to be committed to going
after the more physical defensive linemen and the the more athletic defensive
backs as well as a more agile offensive lineman. This might mean bringing in
non-lds players but Edwards did it for 30 years and was very successful and
Bronco better wake up before its too late and he follows Crowton out the door.
BYU Fan in Ohio | 10:27 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
I finally got to watch the "replay" of the Saturday TCU game on the
Mtn network last night (Monday) at 10:30 PM (thanks to the Versus debacle taking
the live feed away from DirecTV). Despite friends here who told me "BYU
was never in it" and "3 and out all game", I think there were
"not so many" critical plays and penalties that could have made this a
close game up until the end (which is what we were all expecting and hoping
for). The DesNews articles on Sat - Mon described them well (as I discovered
while watching the game) - the sack on the first series at 2nd and 2; the
"just barely too slow" pass rush/chase after Kerley as he passed
downfield for 40 yards; the pass interference penalties called and
"ignored/missed" on both sides of the ball; missed tackles and blown
coverages in the secondary; dropped passes. Sure, I was disappointed. Yes,
this happens in every football game. It did seem like the "luck" was
going TCU's way and BYU came up short - we missed the "breaks".
Keep working hard, Cougars. I, for one, am proud of your efforts. Fewer
mistakes, Please!!
Jeff R | 10:32 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
I agree with most of the posts on here. Anae needs to go along with his PH.D
pride. He needs to blame himself and not the players. BYU had no confidance from
the start of the game. Same with last year. The coaching staff needs to use what
they have. BYU has some really good players but the lack of "out of the box
thinking" is limiting BYU's overall potential. Unga and Tonga are both
240+ and can run over people. But in each of BYU's losses over the last few
years came because they wouldnt even give them a chance. They would run a few
running plays and would go to a pass happy offense. There was also a lack of
Play Action plays that BYU have been succsseful on in the past. The coaches need
to do some soul searching. NOW.....
Lanny N. | 10:59 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Can't believe some of the narrow minded intellects we have in this world.
So what if BYU lost! So does every team in America. Don't take it so
personal!!! Big deal!! I still like BYU. Yes they will lose again sometime,
as will every other team. I'm still true blue. I hope TCU wins out and
goes to a national championship game. They deserve it. Some of you people need
anger management therapy. Quit being being so critical. I'm sure fault can
be found towards you. Lighten up!!!
Know It All | 11:00 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
You guys must know it all...or you just think you do. You seem to complain just
because we lost. Examine yourselves before throwing stones. There's 97
Division One teams that would trade BYU records today. Let's get behind
our troups on the field...I can tell most of you have never played a football
game for real. And Mike, maybe you should have extended your mission another
six months!!!
Pathetic fans! | 11:10 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
I'm LDS, but didn't go to the Y. I enjoy watching the team and am
happy when they win. But I also get a kick out of their fair-weather fans when
they lose. You BYU fans just fall apart like you've lost your testimonies
after a loss. Some of you BYU fans need to get a life. Anyone else in the
country will say that Bronco is a great coach and BYU has great kids and a good
team. But you act like your 0 and whatever. And you did the same thing when
LeVell was there. You didn't deserve him and he only stayed becuase he was
loyal to the Church and BYU. A 10 win season is pretty decent, but you're
not happy unless you win the BCS every year. You're just plain spoild.
Even when you had all the great QB you usually lost a couple games every year.
So lay off of Max Hall! Try supporting him if you want leadership and back off
whatever happened on his mission. Has nothing to do with football. One more
theing, I remember you guys booing RObbie Bosco. Unbelievaable!
Winning | 11:20 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
BYU should be happy with its record. The Y isn’t considered a football
powerhouse. The problem is due to earnest, diligent, hard working fellows who do
not understand how to create a powerhouse football program. In short, if you
want to compete at an elite level you need to create an elite program.
It starts at the University’s administration (athletic department) level and then, filters down to the coaching staff, and ultimately its players.
Big time football programs / schools, their administration and alumni won’t put up with mediocrity, regardless of a coaching staff’s reputation. It’s solely about winning and generating capital ($$$) for the University. The Y could generate an elite football program; however, they unfortunately don’t understand how to create one (most likely) or are unwilling to be relentless and ruthless, in their pursuit of building such a program.
Mike Holmgren, Norm Chow, and Lavell Edwards are an example of those whom understood what it takes of how to groom quarterbacks, coach both defenses and offensives and namely, how to win.
It starts at the University’s administration (athletic department) level and then, filters down to the coaching staff, and ultimately its players.
Big time football programs / schools, their administration and alumni won’t put up with mediocrity, regardless of a coaching staff’s reputation. It’s solely about winning and generating capital ($$$) for the University. The Y could generate an elite football program; however, they unfortunately don’t understand how to create one (most likely) or are unwilling to be relentless and ruthless, in their pursuit of building such a program.
Mike Holmgren, Norm Chow, and Lavell Edwards are an example of those whom understood what it takes of how to groom quarterbacks, coach both defenses and offensives and namely, how to win.
TCU and Utah kings of MWC | 11:27 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
It appears that TCU and Utah are the two kings of the MWC going forward simply
because they have the athletes as well as a national reputation. Utah has two
BCS bowl wins and TCU has the attention of the BCS this year (as well as last
year). BYU has fallen into the middle of the MWC along with San Diego and
Colorado St. Too bad zoobies because your dream of national recognition is gone.
Best leave the national exposure to the two teams worthy of the BCS - TCU AND
Utah.
ert | 11:43 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
While not piling on undue criticism, one thing the Cougars have consistently
done for years is get flagged for penalties. The refs can't be wrong every
game, so the the coaches and team members need to play smarter to the extent of
not giving back 80-100 yards a game.
Anonymous | 11:45 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Haha! I get a kick out of Ute fans who are on these BYU articles trying to
include themselves TCU's dominance. Hahaha! "Utah and TCU apear to
be the dominant teams of the MWC."
Uh, earth to Utah, BYU has whipped the common opponents of the Utes sevierely, while the Utes have squeaked by. Aint NOBODY in all the land beating TCU and I mean NOBODY. TCU will rip the arm off of Utah and beat them to death with it. IT will be a blood bath to say the least.
BYU and Utah are probably the tier 2 schools to a supreme TCU at this point.
Uh, earth to Utah, BYU has whipped the common opponents of the Utes sevierely, while the Utes have squeaked by. Aint NOBODY in all the land beating TCU and I mean NOBODY. TCU will rip the arm off of Utah and beat them to death with it. IT will be a blood bath to say the least.
BYU and Utah are probably the tier 2 schools to a supreme TCU at this point.
pathetic fans? | 11:48 a.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Those of you on here talking about how pathetic BYU fans are are quite
hypocritical. Just 2-3 years ago those ute fans that are so awesome were
calling for coach whit's head. Don't even say that this stuff
doesn't happen at better, more elite schools. It goes on everywhere!
And, to TCU and utah kings of the MWC- before you ute fans start spouting off much more, just wait and see how you fare in texas first (and in Provo). The season's not over yet.
And, to TCU and utah kings of the MWC- before you ute fans start spouting off much more, just wait and see how you fare in texas first (and in Provo). The season's not over yet.
Ute Alum | 12:03 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Utes Defense > Courgars Defense = Nuff Said
Coach | 12:45 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
TCU, Utah and BSU now command a better athlete than BYU. These dis-heartening
losses will ensure it, they continue and there are clear reasons why. If TCU
wins out they're in...Boise could be as well. 2 for Boise, 2 for Utah and
1 for TCU. None for BYU and guess what these 3 teams are loaded for years to
come. The LDS kid has support at Utah and Boise and doesn't have to go to
BYU anymore. This is the start of a slow decline for BYU. 8 and 9 win seasons
will still be available but I'm afraid the expectation of competing at the
top 10 level in the "BCS era" of college football is over.
BYU wont go next year and if they dont go 2 years from now it will be another 4 before the next chance comes around - why? You play at Utah and TCU every other year...no way at their current levels do you win both - then add a trip to Florida St or someone of that caliber and it's over.
"Sorry Coach Mendenhall despite the challenge offered I've decided to go elsewhere!"
BYU wont go next year and if they dont go 2 years from now it will be another 4 before the next chance comes around - why? You play at Utah and TCU every other year...no way at their current levels do you win both - then add a trip to Florida St or someone of that caliber and it's over.
"Sorry Coach Mendenhall despite the challenge offered I've decided to go elsewhere!"
MT in MD | 12:46 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
I didn't see all of last year's loss to TCU, but what I did see was
more heartening than what I saw Saturday. Last year, BYU turned the ball over
repeatedly deep in their own territory, giving the Frogs short fields to work
with. The D gave up most of its points on those short fields. When the O was
able to move the ball and TCU had to work the longer field, the BYU D held up
pretty well. This year, it didn't matter where the Frogs got it, they were
going to score. BYU helped them out a couple of times with dumb penalties (some
of them questionable) to keep drives alive. But TCU was even better this year.
Last year's game was a lot closer than the score indicated. This year's game wasn't as close as the score.
Agree with others that there's a lot less swagger and confidence with Bronco's teams than LaVell's (the 2000 team may have been coached by Crowton, but it was LaVell's team, so I'm including them). But I like the consistency--would like more confidence, though.
Last year's game was a lot closer than the score indicated. This year's game wasn't as close as the score.
Agree with others that there's a lot less swagger and confidence with Bronco's teams than LaVell's (the 2000 team may have been coached by Crowton, but it was LaVell's team, so I'm including them). But I like the consistency--would like more confidence, though.
re: pathetic fans? | 12:54 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
You're partially right. Utah's season is not over, BYU's is.
Utah can still win the MWC, BYU has to hope Utah can bail them out to have any
chance.
But BYU still has some hopes....they can still beat Utah and make this season not so bad. Wow, BYU needs to beat Utah to make their season, what a change of events that is! I guess Big Brother has moved north, and BYU fans might be getting ready to finally admit that.
But BYU still has some hopes....they can still beat Utah and make this season not so bad. Wow, BYU needs to beat Utah to make their season, what a change of events that is! I guess Big Brother has moved north, and BYU fans might be getting ready to finally admit that.
Good Grief!! | 1:28 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Never have so many said so much that meant so little! All these folks spouting
so many words that add up to nothing. Bottom line is BYU lost and TCU won - not
rocket science. BYU got outplayed. It happens. It will happen to Utah and it
will happen to TCU as well. It will happen to BYU again, too.
Most of the comments are from people who obviously have never played a down of college football in their lives and yet they feel qualified to critisize the coaches and players whose shoes they aren't even close to being able to fill. I'm just glad Mendenhall doesn't read this trash! He is smarter than that - which makes him smarter than me as well, I guess. I should stop reading these comments. My IQ gets lowered by 5 points every time I bother to wade through them!
Bottom line: lighten up. Get a life. When you have anything even close to realistic to add THEN get on your pathetic little keyboards and type away.
Most of the comments are from people who obviously have never played a down of college football in their lives and yet they feel qualified to critisize the coaches and players whose shoes they aren't even close to being able to fill. I'm just glad Mendenhall doesn't read this trash! He is smarter than that - which makes him smarter than me as well, I guess. I should stop reading these comments. My IQ gets lowered by 5 points every time I bother to wade through them!
Bottom line: lighten up. Get a life. When you have anything even close to realistic to add THEN get on your pathetic little keyboards and type away.
Cougarf@n | 1:38 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Gotta love these Yewts posting sheer stupidity about BYU's program.
It's kind of funny that Utah thinks the roles have changed since beating Utah is actually a quality victory now. It's not that beating Utah and Utah alone salvages an otherwise awful season (that's the way Yewt fans looked at that game for years), it's that a win over Utah is finally worth something and combined with nine other wins means BYU goes 10-2, which would be a decent season. The fact that a win over Utah would shut up the annoying message board posters for another year is just an added benefit.
It's kind of funny that Utah thinks the roles have changed since beating Utah is actually a quality victory now. It's not that beating Utah and Utah alone salvages an otherwise awful season (that's the way Yewt fans looked at that game for years), it's that a win over Utah is finally worth something and combined with nine other wins means BYU goes 10-2, which would be a decent season. The fact that a win over Utah would shut up the annoying message board posters for another year is just an added benefit.
MilkDud | 1:47 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Ok... I need to figure out whos the bigger idiot. Those that posted this
pointless drivel.... or myself for actually reading it.
Football is entertainment (period) If you want the guarenteed win use your money to buy anyone of several movies based on sports. (just make sure you KNOW the ending so you don't get disappointed.)
Most of the time, BYU is fun to watch... sometimes... not so much. (Unfortunately, that other university up north is fun to watch too... I just enjoy it more when they lose...)
Whose going to win? I don't know! THATS WHAT MAKE IT GREAT!
It will be most interesting to see how the team reacts to the disappointment of getting bit, chewed up, then spat out.
Frankly, I couldn't care less about any other team, including that other team up north. (Although, I hope TCU takes it all the way to the BCS and wins there. - I don't really like Boise...)
Football is entertainment (period) If you want the guarenteed win use your money to buy anyone of several movies based on sports. (just make sure you KNOW the ending so you don't get disappointed.)
Most of the time, BYU is fun to watch... sometimes... not so much. (Unfortunately, that other university up north is fun to watch too... I just enjoy it more when they lose...)
Whose going to win? I don't know! THATS WHAT MAKE IT GREAT!
It will be most interesting to see how the team reacts to the disappointment of getting bit, chewed up, then spat out.
Frankly, I couldn't care less about any other team, including that other team up north. (Although, I hope TCU takes it all the way to the BCS and wins there. - I don't really like Boise...)
TCU Fan | 1:50 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
You hit the nail right on the head. All you griping know it all's, read
the comment from "TCU Fan" there is someone who has a realistic
perspective.
Good Job.
Good Job.
Can the cougars rally? | 1:51 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
in a word "NO"!
YmTerraceDoc | 2:08 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
No aggressiveness, no desire, no "killer instinct", nothing was done
by coaches or team that would lead to a win. Interesting, two massive
destructive losses at home immediately after two wins on the road. The coaching
staff must instill in the team that opponents are not going to roll over and
give up just because they are playing at Provo. Also, the players must give up
the "we are at home now, isn't it nice, warm and fuzzy to be
here" attitude. Softness, lack of testosterone, and transparent
predictable plays never lead to wins. Prophecy, Cougars will be 1 and 3 for the
next 4 games then everyone can do early Christmas shopping. Think of the
economic stimulus!!!
Moose on the Loose | 2:14 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
The kitties can only rally until they play the Utes. The Utes are going to
thrash BYU this year.
Really?!!? | 2:16 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
It wasn't too long ago that I was constantly reading about Norm Chow's
"lousy play calling" and his "inability to coach." I think
it's safe to say that many missed the boat on judging his abilities.
He's done pretty well after leaving the Cougars.
Let's not make the same mistake by railing on Coach Anae. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback. Some plays work...some plays don't. But let's not ride the guy off on a rail because he seemed too predictable or was out-coached in a given game. He, Bronco and team have the coaching ability...they've shown it. This weekend, we lost to a better opponent...they were more physical...they had a bounce in their step...they were better prepared. Let's not narrow our focus on coach Anae.
Let's not make the same mistake by railing on Coach Anae. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback. Some plays work...some plays don't. But let's not ride the guy off on a rail because he seemed too predictable or was out-coached in a given game. He, Bronco and team have the coaching ability...they've shown it. This weekend, we lost to a better opponent...they were more physical...they had a bounce in their step...they were better prepared. Let's not narrow our focus on coach Anae.
Purple&Black | 2:23 p.m. Oct. 27, 2009
Just a couple of months back zoobs kept trying to brag about all the attention
they were getting from having OU and FSU on their schedule. And how much they
enjoyed being the media's darling.
I wonder if they still like all the attention of laying two giants eggs at home? hahahahaha
Go Frogs!!!
I wonder if they still like all the attention of laying two giants eggs at home? hahahahaha
Go Frogs!!!
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