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Utah Jazz fine-tune roster, team
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Misses # 12 | 2:23 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
What a joke to have to read the thoughts of people who address themselves as
"fine tuning". Maybe "fine tuning" would like the jazz to
become Golden State. There is a coach who runs a ton of 3 point plays. Maybe
"fine tuning" would like the jazz to become the Kings. The Maloof
brothers got smart and fired Rick Adelmann. How are things going for them? The
jazz are hardly ever in the lottery (one time) because of Jerry Sloan. They
compete every year in a place no super star free agent will ever come. Sorry
Salt Lake fans, the big time free agent (Kobe, Lebron etc. will never, ever sign
here no matter who the coach. You better be happy that you have a hall of famer
who decided to stay.
awsomeron | 5:37 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
Is Utah ready for an awful season.
This is one of many reasons I am not much of a Team Sports fan, to much of this kind of thing year, after year, after year.
This is one of many reasons I am not much of a Team Sports fan, to much of this kind of thing year, after year, after year.
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C J | 7:07 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
When is C J Miles expected back ??
Big Frank | 7:34 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
Who is the geek who reviews my message board postings? I never get my thoughts
on it. Anyway, if this one makes it by chance..... What up with Kyle Korver?
He played two much golf over the offseason and comes up with a gimpy knee.
That's awesome. He and DWill will noT help their backs and knees with
golf.... as in 'be like Mike' (Jordan). Why can't all the
players get serious and come to camp like Karl and John used to do.....as IN
PHYSICAL SHAPE. After looking at last years results it appears certain that an
unenhanced Jazz roster will undoubtably do no better than a hanging on by the
fingernails #8 in the Western Conference standings....no doubt about it. Lack
of defense, against teams with talented guards and post players. If the Jazz
can play decent team defense and avoid prolonged injuries and individual
"head" case episodes with certain players, they may eek out a #7 or #8
finish. Jerry Sloan is to be congratulated for his staying power as a coach.
The Jazz are fortunate to have had continuity over the years, otherwise they
would not have had the success to date.
JAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
JAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
bad news | 8:10 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
Fine tuning is complaining that Okur is too short? He better check the stat sheet.
A great concern is that if Korver is injured who is Hornacek killing now?
Last season as shooting coach he managed to take Korver into 56th in the NBA in 3 point percentage and he also helped AK with his shooting. Helped like a kick in the privates.
Hornacek is like Michael Jordan who can play well but coacging is beyond these two, they are abysmal failures when they are not playing. Perhaps it would have been better to cut Hornacek and keep Dupree, as Dupree may have been some help down the road.
The Truth@ Magnus | 8:23 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
I think the jazz should look at the waiver wire, however, KO is already on
record with the whole we like to keep people who we started training camp with
routine. Utah should be ok as long as their major parts aren't injured.
Sometimes less people in the rotation means more PT/production. As the season
wears on, then the depth becomes a factor. The first month we should be ok. If
Kover has a minor surgery now, both him and CJ should be back by December. If
not would the Jazz look at Almond? he knows the system, is Matthews really
better?
Kudos for Desert News | 8:27 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
Thanks for the update on Korver....the SL Trib chose to ignore Korver today. He
was the only Jazz player not mentioned in this mornings Trib Update. I notice
day in and day out Deseret News does a much better job reporting on the Jazz!
Thanks for keeping us in the loop!
Re: Misses #12 | 8:42 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
I completely agree with the poster whose post is titled Fine Tuning...right
along with the article. I have been a Jazz fan for almost 20 years and I can
say that I know Jerry gives his best, but sometimes outside advice should be
listened to. The "fine tuning" author brings up some great points.
While it is true that we do "compete" every year like you stated,
every year without a ring is starting to become very annoying.
Go Jazz!
Go Jazz!
Rick Adelman | 8:45 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
is actually a better coach than Sloan. They both will be in the hall of fame but
Adelman is much more flexible and adaptive. He does a lot better job of
attacking weaknesses. He is not afraid of changing line ups.
How many times did Adelman beat LA in the playoffs last year without Ming and McGrady? How many times did Sloan beat LA with "continuity"? How short were the Rockets and they still found a way to beat LA.
Thanks for bringing up Adelman. He is the perfect example of what is wrong with Sloan.
Jerry is starting to show some flexibility. We will see if he actually does it during the season.
It does not take a hall of fame coach to realize that the Jazz lack shooting from the wings which allows teams to pack the paint and throttle the inside game. Further, if the Rockets can win 3 playoff games with Chuck Hayes at C what is wrong with the Jazz? Maybe the coaching approach and the defense (also coaching)?
If the Jazz had been bright enough to hire Adelman and give him the blind support they have given Sloan they might have a ring.
How many times did Adelman beat LA in the playoffs last year without Ming and McGrady? How many times did Sloan beat LA with "continuity"? How short were the Rockets and they still found a way to beat LA.
Thanks for bringing up Adelman. He is the perfect example of what is wrong with Sloan.
Jerry is starting to show some flexibility. We will see if he actually does it during the season.
It does not take a hall of fame coach to realize that the Jazz lack shooting from the wings which allows teams to pack the paint and throttle the inside game. Further, if the Rockets can win 3 playoff games with Chuck Hayes at C what is wrong with the Jazz? Maybe the coaching approach and the defense (also coaching)?
If the Jazz had been bright enough to hire Adelman and give him the blind support they have given Sloan they might have a ring.
get ime udoka | 9:06 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
40% from behind the arc...
tough defender...
He would be a great pickup for the jazz...
Trail-blazers made a mistake... Go Jazz...
tough defender...
He would be a great pickup for the jazz...
Trail-blazers made a mistake... Go Jazz...
Blauch | 9:07 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
How do you know Hornicek can't coach. Have you been to one of his shooting
drills.
Why is everyone talking about the Jazz offense. The Jazz will have one of the best offense in the game again. Last year their offense struggled because Williams was injured. If he is healthy their offense efficiency will be back to top 3 in the NBA. The Jazz just do not have great 3 point shooting teams. It really does not make or break a team.
AK, Okur and Boozer can all play 32 minutes a game - so we really at filling 16 minutes for each position. Millsap can back up any of the positions so the questions - that fills up 32 minutes so there is 16 minutes left. So do the Jazz play Koufas or Matthews to fill up the other 16 minutes.
If AK or Williams is not on the court the Jazz struggle.
The real question is if Williams and AK are starting together can you find a rotation that keeps on of them on the court at all times.
Why is everyone talking about the Jazz offense. The Jazz will have one of the best offense in the game again. Last year their offense struggled because Williams was injured. If he is healthy their offense efficiency will be back to top 3 in the NBA. The Jazz just do not have great 3 point shooting teams. It really does not make or break a team.
AK, Okur and Boozer can all play 32 minutes a game - so we really at filling 16 minutes for each position. Millsap can back up any of the positions so the questions - that fills up 32 minutes so there is 16 minutes left. So do the Jazz play Koufas or Matthews to fill up the other 16 minutes.
If AK or Williams is not on the court the Jazz struggle.
The real question is if Williams and AK are starting together can you find a rotation that keeps on of them on the court at all times.
Continuity vs Fine Tuning | 9:38 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
I can no longer fault Jazz management for not spending enough. The Millers are
to be commended for trying to win. They are paying enough to field a team that
should be able to beat LA on the road. They have stepped up.
However, Sloan and KOC have not stepped up yet. They are replacing Harp with Mathews (maybe). They may yet make a brilliant trade with Boozer. But they are essentially doing the same thing they have done for the last 2 years.
That means there needs to be some coaching adjustments to offset the weaknesses of the last 2 years, since there are no important player changes.
I am not suggesting Jerry abandon his inside game (the team is built around it). I am suggesting that he can improve his results by providing more of an outside threat (Korver was a move in the right direction). He does not have to use it a lot but it has to be credible enough to force open the inside against tall athletic teams.
No spacing, no playoff run.
However, Sloan and KOC have not stepped up yet. They are replacing Harp with Mathews (maybe). They may yet make a brilliant trade with Boozer. But they are essentially doing the same thing they have done for the last 2 years.
That means there needs to be some coaching adjustments to offset the weaknesses of the last 2 years, since there are no important player changes.
I am not suggesting Jerry abandon his inside game (the team is built around it). I am suggesting that he can improve his results by providing more of an outside threat (Korver was a move in the right direction). He does not have to use it a lot but it has to be credible enough to force open the inside against tall athletic teams.
No spacing, no playoff run.
JazzFan4ever | 9:47 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
I like what Kirelenko said "You just come to win" It doesn't
matter if you start or not "just come to win".My Opinion is I would
like to Brewer come off bench along with Millsap and AK. Why you ask? Because
that's alot of disruption and hustle at one time that might cause havock
with the other teams 2nd unit.Just a thought...Throw in Price for a few minutes
and let Andrei run a few plays and maybe get even more hustle.Too bad we
don't have any centers that can bring that yet(Koufos and Fess)but
there's always hope right? :)Don't get me wrong love them both but
those guys need to work their butts off...they are the key to a nice run this
year along with better outside shooting.
Korver... | 10:19 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
Who are people here to judge and suggest what he should be 'allowed'
to do over the summer? Korver is an avid golfer, and the problem he's
having with his knee has nothing to do with golf. The knee was not bothering
him over the summer and the condition that the inflammation has been attributed
to occurs most often in healthy, young, athletic people. Stop blaming him, and
insinuating that he 'suddenly' has a knee problem now that it is time
to play basketball. Siler at the Trib blogged about Korver (more on Korver), and
how down and frustrated he's been, wanting to play, yet trying to rest the
knee. I think that's the reason it isn't better (my own opinion)...
he's rested it for a few days, then tried to practice/play, then rested it,
and tried to play. The idea is to avoid any activity that causes pain for
SEVERAL WEEKS, while doing rehab, then gradually resuming activity
Miles | 10:34 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
It will benefit us to have Korver and Brewer out for an extended period.CJ will
finally get the minutes he deserves and can showcase all his greatness
Same ol' | 10:44 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
Jerry Sloan is more interested in making sure everyone runs his systems that he
is in actually winning games.
Houdini:Boozer vs Millsap | 10:47 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
By the time the trading deadline gets here,we won`t want to trade Carlos,why?
because if healthy he`ll prove to be an all-star once again who demands a double
or even triple team,something Paul just does not do, he is a great guy off the
bench and I love his effort,if all 12 Jazz players follow his example we`ll be
fine...GO JAZZ
Miles: Comma man | 10:50 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
I think they`re posting as me again,what`s going on here????,their posts make
more sense than mine,I quess I`m still clueless...oh well
medical staff? | 10:59 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
i think our medical staff needs fine tuning. our players are ALWAYS hurt. all of
them, not just 1 or 2. Last year, at some point in time every single player was
injured, and most weren't serious injuries. To me, that says the medical
staff isn't doing their job. Remember back when Mike Schminski was our
medical trainer? how many injuries did we have when he was on board? Sorry, but
i put blame on the medical staff, if they were doing their job our players
wouldn't have all of these ticky-tack injuries. get replacements!
Tim A | 11:08 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
The only reason the Jazz compete year in and year out is Jerry Sloan. It always
amazes me when fans of teams that have had great success complain about their
coach that has been there leading them every year because they " Just
can't win the big one." This happens in so many cities and when they
finally fire the coach and the team tanks for the next 10 years everyone misses
the good ole days. Listen its not as if this team is not doing good and as a
matter of fact they always out perform their talent level every year. To be as
good as the Jazz have been without a clear superstar and compete yearly is
truely amazing to me. I have been a long distance fan from Pittsburgh for 20
years now. I beleive the day Sloan either retires or gets fired will be a tragic
day in the Jazz history.
Korver improved his game | 11:11 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
last year by improving his defense and hustle. I like Korver. He is not athletic
but he hustles.
Sloan does try to win, but he does it by trying to impose his approach to the game on other teams and overpower them with his approach. He does not have the right players to beat LA, SA etc that way.
If Brewer gets range, if Korver is healthy, if Koufos and Fez improve, if CJ becomes a complete consistent player, if the Jazz stay healthy they might challange.
To beat LA and SA there has to be some adjustment in opening up the inside game. There has to be an adjustment in game plan. Adelman was forced to change with the loss of Ming. Sloan needs to study how Adelman attacked LA with a shorter line up.
The Jazz can slash LA but they also have to open up the inside. They do not have the speed (PG) nor the outside shooting to attack LA the exact way Houston did. However, Sloan is a good enough coach that he can find a way to fix the problems if he will do it.
Sloan does try to win, but he does it by trying to impose his approach to the game on other teams and overpower them with his approach. He does not have the right players to beat LA, SA etc that way.
If Brewer gets range, if Korver is healthy, if Koufos and Fez improve, if CJ becomes a complete consistent player, if the Jazz stay healthy they might challange.
To beat LA and SA there has to be some adjustment in opening up the inside game. There has to be an adjustment in game plan. Adelman was forced to change with the loss of Ming. Sloan needs to study how Adelman attacked LA with a shorter line up.
The Jazz can slash LA but they also have to open up the inside. They do not have the speed (PG) nor the outside shooting to attack LA the exact way Houston did. However, Sloan is a good enough coach that he can find a way to fix the problems if he will do it.
louisiana jazz man | 11:45 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
korver probley hurt his knee when he ran into milsap last year. only hurts when
its time to play basketball ok to play golf. im just saying.
todd from santa ana | 11:59 a.m. Oct. 23, 2009
Rick Adelman I agree is better than SLoan far as adjustments, and making his
players focus defensively and adjusting to his talent. Jerry can do everything
the same way, it is up to him. He is capable, i hope the regular season will be
a continuation of preseason and the quotes from him he can do better and mean it
weedeater | 5:10 p.m. Oct. 23, 2009
Jerry Sloan has said that keeping a team together is worth 5 more wins a season
and I think a lot of those 5 extra wins happen early in the season when your
cohesive team plays others who are still struggling with chemistry and their
plays.
We don't want early injuries of important players like Brewer and Korver and CJ.
We don't want early injuries of important players like Brewer and Korver and CJ.
stock2Malone | 9:59 p.m. Oct. 23, 2009
Last season part two
Can we just fast-forward to May?
Go Jazz! Do what you can (with the same ole business we've had for that last few years).
by that I mean all talk and no actions
Can we just fast-forward to May?
Go Jazz! Do what you can (with the same ole business we've had for that last few years).
by that I mean all talk and no actions
oregon man | 11:17 p.m. Oct. 23, 2009
I just want to watch the jazz play as best they can. I think all of the players
are good, or they would not be in the NBA. I don't criteque them, I trust
their professionalism. Where will you find another Coach that has been as
enduring as Sloan? like someone said, without a team of superstars, how has the
Jazz been able to get into the playoffs as often as they have. it's team
work and good coaching....simple as that. go jazz
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Sloan does not need to abandon his inside philosophy. He needs to help it by adding plays that will open up the inside. He does not need to run a lot of 3 point plays to do that. He does need wings who can open up the inside. That offsets the weakness of Boozer, Millsap and Okur being to short.
The Jazz lose to LA, SA and POR and other long athletic teams because Jerry Sloan will not open up the inside with set 3 point plays.
If the plays are planned the 3 point percentage, the rebounding and getting back on defense improve.
Jerry needs to open up the game and counteract a primary weakness in the current lineup.
Jerry may be Hall of Fame but his stubbornness is a major reason the Jazz have no ring.
Get wings who can shoot and run some plays for them. The inside game will get easier and better.