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Hero of Canton | 12:09 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Rubbish. Why should someone who is here BREAKING THE LAW get to reap the
benefits of the system? I am an under 30 white male American and what benefits
do I get? Name one scholarship or benefit that I am entitled to as a Caucasian
male because you can't do it. There is a benefit for your race, your
gender, your age, your religion, your sexual preference but I get nothing. I
don't get lower admission standards, I don't get special scholarships
and I don't get federal grants to help me out. I get to pay every dime by
myself AND I get to pay taxes for ILLEGAL immigrant benefits too.
I don't care about how sad your story is or how tough life is for you, YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW and you are CHEATING THE SYSTEM that I help fund and that my grandparents died to build. You want equality? How about letting me have some of it!
I don't care about how sad your story is or how tough life is for you, YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW and you are CHEATING THE SYSTEM that I help fund and that my grandparents died to build. You want equality? How about letting me have some of it!
Here we go again | 1:04 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Let me say that my heart does go out to the students who were brought here
illegally when they were young by their parents.
However, I am weary of the air of entitlement exhibited by illegal aliens. I am furious at the unscrupulous employers who hire them and hope their businesses fail. If it were up to me I would seize their assets and put them in prison. I think it is so wrong that we hard-working, tax-paying, honest citizens have to bear the enormous social costs of illegal immigration while these immoral employers reap the profits. I am disillusioned and disappointed in state and federal governments that have failed so miserably in controlling this problem by enforcing our laws. I am saddened by untrustworthy media who seemingly have lost touch with journalistic integrity in reporting about illegal immigration. Their bias shows through.
Again, I'm genuinely sad for the kids, but because of all the corruption involved I think it would be a good thing overall if the bill to allow them to pay in-state tuition were repealed.
Let's return to honesty and integrity in this state and country. Is that too much to ask?
However, I am weary of the air of entitlement exhibited by illegal aliens. I am furious at the unscrupulous employers who hire them and hope their businesses fail. If it were up to me I would seize their assets and put them in prison. I think it is so wrong that we hard-working, tax-paying, honest citizens have to bear the enormous social costs of illegal immigration while these immoral employers reap the profits. I am disillusioned and disappointed in state and federal governments that have failed so miserably in controlling this problem by enforcing our laws. I am saddened by untrustworthy media who seemingly have lost touch with journalistic integrity in reporting about illegal immigration. Their bias shows through.
Again, I'm genuinely sad for the kids, but because of all the corruption involved I think it would be a good thing overall if the bill to allow them to pay in-state tuition were repealed.
Let's return to honesty and integrity in this state and country. Is that too much to ask?
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Law-abiding Citizen | 1:27 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
>undocumented parents
That would mean that there was no documentation of who her parents were.
I think what the writer meant was "illegal aliens."
That would mean that there was no documentation of who her parents were.
I think what the writer meant was "illegal aliens."
Re: Hero of Canton | 3:51 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
There's no shortage of well-educated upper- and middle-class white males in
the US; white males dominate America's positions of economic and political
power. There's absolutely no need for a scholarship based on these
criteria. If you can't understand that, you wouldn't qualify for a
scholarship anyway.
By the way, I don't know what your religion is or where you go to school, but faithful Mormon tithe-payers in Bolivia, Nigeria, and the Philippines helped subsidize this white Utah Mormon boy's education at BYU. Sounds like a benefit for religion to me, and you can bet I don't take it for granted.
Unlike you, these 644 students don't feel entitled to anything. The tutition law allows them an opportunity to rise out of abject poverty, a circumstance I doubt you've ever faced. They could teach you a thing or two about hard work. And that system that your grandparents "died to build," these students will make positive contributions to it.
By the way, I don't know what your religion is or where you go to school, but faithful Mormon tithe-payers in Bolivia, Nigeria, and the Philippines helped subsidize this white Utah Mormon boy's education at BYU. Sounds like a benefit for religion to me, and you can bet I don't take it for granted.
Unlike you, these 644 students don't feel entitled to anything. The tutition law allows them an opportunity to rise out of abject poverty, a circumstance I doubt you've ever faced. They could teach you a thing or two about hard work. And that system that your grandparents "died to build," these students will make positive contributions to it.
What an Insult. | 4:06 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
This is an insult and tragedy for the american people that these illegal foreign
nationals can come here and blatantly slap us in the face with their defrauding
and stealing our tax dollars from us.
What about the americans who can't get an education because and illegal has stolen the education from a deserving citizen? The american people just in Utah are defrauded millions of dollars a year by illegal aliens who have never paid a dime in taxes. This so disgusts me that we the people and citizens of america must and should be demanding that this be stopped. Illegals have not earned any right to my taxes or stick their hands in my pocket like the thieves they are.
Who ever wrote this story should feel very shamed to even report how openly we are being victimized by illegal aliens. Have they no shame or pride in being an american? Apparently not.
This was disgusting to read and I feel very insulted and offended by it, that criminals can enter this country illegally and brag about all they can steal.
What about the americans who can't get an education because and illegal has stolen the education from a deserving citizen? The american people just in Utah are defrauded millions of dollars a year by illegal aliens who have never paid a dime in taxes. This so disgusts me that we the people and citizens of america must and should be demanding that this be stopped. Illegals have not earned any right to my taxes or stick their hands in my pocket like the thieves they are.
Who ever wrote this story should feel very shamed to even report how openly we are being victimized by illegal aliens. Have they no shame or pride in being an american? Apparently not.
This was disgusting to read and I feel very insulted and offended by it, that criminals can enter this country illegally and brag about all they can steal.
To Hero of Canton | 4:16 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Your scholarship is the LDS tuition rate that you get at the Y for being a
church member and paying your tithing regularly. I guess you didn't pay
attention at seminary and valiant classes which tell you to be compassionate to
your fellow human beings.
sa | 4:35 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
I,a Utah resident from birth,bussed tables and rode the bus to get my college
degree. Why can't they do the same thing? Where is the equity?
Think about it... | 4:45 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
These are kids -- they did not break the law, their parents did. No reasonable
person expects a child to take a stand against parents who want to immigrate to
this country illegally.
The alternative is to deny illegal immigrant children the ability to get an education and create a better life for themselves. No ones interests are served if this group is not allowed access to affordable higher education.
The alternative is to deny illegal immigrant children the ability to get an education and create a better life for themselves. No ones interests are served if this group is not allowed access to affordable higher education.
Ammon | 5:45 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Wow. So my state has no room for me to attend its universities and I have to
take out loans to pay for it, but someone here ill-legally gets in and gets it
paid for? Thats friggin awesome. Glad I'm paying state income tax for
that. Bleeding heart liberals........
Ken L. | 6:00 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Shame on D.N. for publishing propaganda. Your slant for illegals is helping
distroy American society. Start writing articles that support the laws and
encourage people to obey them.
USU grad from Idaho | 6:06 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
How thoughtless! So, since I lived just across the "border" in Idaho I
had to pay two years of out of State Tuition...me and my parents paid taxes and
are law abiding citizens of the United States! What does the word Citizen mean
to you? Citizen means that you put forth something in order to gain those
rights. I serve in the military too, doing my CIVIC duty. What was written in
your article was repugnant. According to the Article if you cheat on your taxes,
or just not pay them...come to the State of Utah illegally, you don't have
to pay out of State Tuition. I am so grateful that I was able to graduate from
one Utah's fine Univeristies...doing it, while working full time besides
going to school, paying those out of state costs...so that illegal aliens
didn't have to. Thanks, No wonder Utah has seen an increase in violent
crime, gangs, illegal aliens, and depreciated hourly wages. Sorry UNDOCUMENTED
immigrants, wouldn't want to offend... as the laws continue to shelter and
support illegal activities. How Stupid! Be Citizens and support justice, Law and
Order!
Asaph | 6:26 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
More stories about getting rewarded for the wrong thing and the folks doing the
right thing pay for it. It boils one's blood.
Felonies to Get Jobs | 6:27 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Ms. Crompton and the legislators who continue to support in-state tuition are
encouraging illegal aliens to commit multiple felonies in order to get jobs to
pay for their tuition - document fraud, perjury on an I-9 form and identity
theft.
In addition, students who are in the United States illegally and who do graduate under the in-state tuition program still cannot legally obtain employment.
Thus, is the nurse in this story who is illegally in the U.S. refraining from working now that she has her degree or is she using a bogus Social Security number and committing perjury on an I-9 form in order to obtain a job?
If she is using a phony Social Security number, does it belong to one of the 50,000 Utah children who are victims of illegal alien driven identity theft? If so, does that mean that Voices for Utah Children supports child identity theft by illegal aliens as long as the children impacted are American citizens?
For more information on the felonies committed by illegal aliens google "Illegal, but Not Undocumented: Identity Theft, Document Fraud, and Illegal Employment".
In addition, students who are in the United States illegally and who do graduate under the in-state tuition program still cannot legally obtain employment.
Thus, is the nurse in this story who is illegally in the U.S. refraining from working now that she has her degree or is she using a bogus Social Security number and committing perjury on an I-9 form in order to obtain a job?
If she is using a phony Social Security number, does it belong to one of the 50,000 Utah children who are victims of illegal alien driven identity theft? If so, does that mean that Voices for Utah Children supports child identity theft by illegal aliens as long as the children impacted are American citizens?
For more information on the felonies committed by illegal aliens google "Illegal, but Not Undocumented: Identity Theft, Document Fraud, and Illegal Employment".
Continuing the problem | 6:47 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
As an adult student I do not qualify for any scholarships, grants, etc yet we
have undocumented young adults receiving a college education with no hope or a
job unless we encourage them to continue breaking the law. Think about it, the
child is undocumented and attends high school (which is a miracle at best, a
trip around West High proves that)and graduates. Congratulations, now what are
you going to do without proper documentation? Work? Go to a country you have
never been? Oh, wait a minute, you can go to college without documentation.
Let's postpone facing reality another 4 years. So, four years have past
and the undocumented minor is now fully an undocumented adult with a college
degree. Great, but now how to get work without documentation? All the U and
other colleges in Utah are doing is supporting the continuation of fraud, theft,
lies, and deceit. Make it a requirement they gain citizenship in those four
years and this may be more accepted but all it is right now is more money for
the colleges and universities.
What about Utahns? | 6:47 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Meanwhile, there are many other students who don't finish their education
for lack of money to pay for it. And there are international students paying
non-resident tuition who return to their own countries without a degree because
they can't afford to keep paying exorbitant rates for out-of-staters. These
students (who believe in obeying the laws) are those who really deserve the
help--and we want to talk about how humane and just we are. Who are we fooling?
grow up | 6:55 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
these kids didn't choose to come here their parents brought them. They
aren't eligible for most scholarships, they aren't getting the breaks
Hero is talking about, those go to legal minorities. Students who rarely work as
hard as their undocumented counterparts. All this bill does is give students who
had no choice in being here a little bit of a chance to improve themselves. I am
a high school teacher, I have seen these kids, most of them wont make it to
college. If one of them has the drive to get through all of the other obstacles
they face (and there are a lot) then it would be a huge waste of resources not
to give them a chance to move on.
In summary; they didn't break the law, their parents did, helping them get an education will help our society. We need nurses more than we need house cleaners.
In summary; they didn't break the law, their parents did, helping them get an education will help our society. We need nurses more than we need house cleaners.
Utah leads the way | 6:58 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Gangs come from people who feel alienated. This is a wonderful program and the
people who benefit will over their life pay more in taxes than this program
cost.
Utah will be blessed for being showing compassion to the "strangers" among us. It would be very cruel to say to one student in a highschool gratuating class, all your class mates who desire a university education can have one, but you can't because of how your parents got here.
Were we responsible for our parents actions, who among us could qualify to stay here in this country?
Utah will be blessed for being showing compassion to the "strangers" among us. It would be very cruel to say to one student in a highschool gratuating class, all your class mates who desire a university education can have one, but you can't because of how your parents got here.
Were we responsible for our parents actions, who among us could qualify to stay here in this country?
Repeal Law | 6:59 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
I came here as a legal immigrant, no-one granted me in-state tuition to attend
school and I obeyed the law. This is nothing short of a public disgrace. This
law should be repealed. What about a class action suit by foreign students and
american citizen students who have to pay out-of-state tuition while illegals
are granted the right to pay in-state tuition. My nephew, born in the USA to
citizen parents, comes from Idaho and he isn't getting in-state tuition in
Utah to attend nursing school. If these students were born here of illegal
parents, the parents should be sent back to where-ever they came from the the
students should purse legal status for them.
Since it is illegal | 7:00 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
for undocumented (sounds better than illegal) people to work in the U.S. What is
the advantage to having a degree? They still can't work in the U.S.
legally. Or does having a degree somehow make it OK to steal someone's
social security number?
Who are we? | 7:08 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
People in the Mormon Church are so eager for the Perpetual Fund to assist
others. This fund makes them feel so warm and fuzzy. They give money when
leaders ask.
If we allow the undocumented children to attend college at the in State rate and then better their world by their educated status, aren't we doing to same thing. They will be able to contribute to their community far better educated than uneducated.
Why should we punish the children for their parents sins or crimes?
If we allow the undocumented children to attend college at the in State rate and then better their world by their educated status, aren't we doing to same thing. They will be able to contribute to their community far better educated than uneducated.
Why should we punish the children for their parents sins or crimes?
Dream Act | 7:14 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
What about a dream act for american citizen students! My kids worked at every
job they could find to pay for their college educations. We made all kinds of
sacrifices for our children to get college educations. One of our children was
not eligible for in-state tuition when he went to school in another state where
the degree he wanted was offered. I am so angry about our tax dollars being
used to support these illegals. They should pay their way at the same rate as
international students or students from other states.
Apparently no one qualifies | 7:20 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
I'd hate to think my kids would lose their chance at in state tuition just
because their parents or other relatives have broken some law.
If we deny in state tuition to everyone whose parents or grandparents etc have ever broken any law, who would qualify?
If we deny in state tuition to everyone whose parents or grandparents etc have ever broken any law, who would qualify?
Disillusioned | 7:33 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
First, just cause someone's parents came illegally, does NOT mean that
their children are here illegally. If they are born in this country, they are
not "illegal". I don't know about those in this article....but I
do think, perhaps, all the other people who so harshly commented should have to
go live in these people's original countries for a while. Get a taste of
the reality their parents put up with, before you so harshly judge them.
Second....I do have this complaint. My sister, who had been working on a bachelors for 5 years (including obtaining her associates), now would have to pay OUT OF STATE tuition cause she's earned too many credits toward graduation (and they include all transfer and AP credits). So, she is no longer attending a Utah college, nor living in UT. Although I don't have a problem with those in this article attending school in UT, I do have a problem that the state has made it impossible for those who don't get done in the "correct" amount of time to get in state tuition...when they've lived in UT their whole lives!!!!
Second....I do have this complaint. My sister, who had been working on a bachelors for 5 years (including obtaining her associates), now would have to pay OUT OF STATE tuition cause she's earned too many credits toward graduation (and they include all transfer and AP credits). So, she is no longer attending a Utah college, nor living in UT. Although I don't have a problem with those in this article attending school in UT, I do have a problem that the state has made it impossible for those who don't get done in the "correct" amount of time to get in state tuition...when they've lived in UT their whole lives!!!!
Jus-sayin | 7:43 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
And when they graduate from college (subsidized at tax-payer expense) they are
still not able to work here legally.
Chris | 7:44 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
We were from Utah, moved to another state and my children returned to go to
school there only to be told they had to gain residence to pay in state tuition.
Are you kidding me. My kids have put themselves through college, will have
student loans after college. They are getting no help from anyone. So tell me,
where is the justice?
Immigration Reform | 7:55 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Is well overdue. They need to figure out something to stop things like this
from occurring. Those who make a CHOICE to break the law affect those coming
after them (their children) and the penalties and reality must be faced at some
point.
And the realities are also such: an illegial alien can go to high school, and due to this law, college also, but they cannot get a job in a specialized field WITHOUT legal paperwork and lawful status to be in the USA! So going to school for them to become a doctor, nurse, or whatever is a waste of resources since they won't be able to practice until they resolve their illegial status in this country.
Again, the question is: Do we change the law and allow so many the status who broke the law originally, setting a horrible precedent for more to come and ask for the same 'right'? Do we set restrictions that must be met, such as fines, some sort of punishments or deportations before permanent alien status is given, but never citizenship? Or do we send them all out of our country and hold fast to the law?
And the realities are also such: an illegial alien can go to high school, and due to this law, college also, but they cannot get a job in a specialized field WITHOUT legal paperwork and lawful status to be in the USA! So going to school for them to become a doctor, nurse, or whatever is a waste of resources since they won't be able to practice until they resolve their illegial status in this country.
Again, the question is: Do we change the law and allow so many the status who broke the law originally, setting a horrible precedent for more to come and ask for the same 'right'? Do we set restrictions that must be met, such as fines, some sort of punishments or deportations before permanent alien status is given, but never citizenship? Or do we send them all out of our country and hold fast to the law?
Ignorance | 8:18 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
The law doesn't put the students through school for free. It allows them
to pay in state tuition if they qualify just like anyone else in this state.
What is all this free ride nonsense about? The have to pay their way just like
anyone else, except it's tougher because the don't generally have
parents who pay their way for them. They actually have to work their way
through.
Politically Correct | 8:20 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
DN stop with the political correctness, this is the reason, I ended my
subscription to the newspaper. People who enter this country and overstay their
visas or who cross our borders without benefit of documentation are illgels
aliens, a lawful term. They are not "undocumented workers or undocumented
anything". They are law-breakers. I know too many people who are legal
immigrants and they waiting many years in most cases, obeying and honoring our
laws. Deport those who do not obey our laws and stop calling them undocumented.
tenx | 8:21 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Hopefully immigration reform means stopping illegal entry into the US and
stopping the freebies for those who break the law. My son wants to go out of
state to University and we must pay out of state tuition. Those illegal parents
can send those illegal students back to their country for schooling at a
fraction of the cost of doing it here in the USA. But then we know the agenda of
the liberals is to give amnesty and then health care free to the illegals with
our hard earned tax money. Please help by voting the bums out of office!!!
What a idiotic law | 8:21 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
I am a college student, my parents dont pay for my tuition, and i dont qualify
for pell grants. I rely on scholarship money and student loans to get through
school, but due to this law, there is less money available for those who live
her legally through scholarships, etc...
That really ticks me off that this person in the story got a full ride scholarship when some other utah born or american that really deserves this wont get it because the scholarship fund has run dry at that particular school.
That really ticks me off that this person in the story got a full ride scholarship when some other utah born or american that really deserves this wont get it because the scholarship fund has run dry at that particular school.
Undocumented Students | 8:23 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
The Deseret News published the #'s of illegals attending Utah schools.
This is an excellant opportunity for ICE to round them up, find out where their
parents are and deport all of them back to wherever they came from. If the
student was born here then they can process paperwork for legal residency and
obey the law.
Blaine Nay | 8:26 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
I worked my way through college with the help of student loans that took years
to pay off. I can't afford to pay my children's way. So, they also are
working their way through college with the help of student loans that will a
generation to pay off. When I moved back to Utah after 23 years in the military,
I found that my children couldn't qualify for in-state tuition for 3 years!
yet, we give it away to those who have invaded our borders. This must change!
Vote the bums out so we can get legislators who respects the taxpayers!
SLC gal | 8:44 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
So "grow up" - you're a high school teacher? Take a trip down to
your schools guidence office, and get a glimpse of how many scholarships are
offered to students just becuase they are another color, and/or race. This is
just another break that Latinos get for breaking the law and its sick!
Look at how many legally born and bred residents struggle through poverty becuase they DON'T get those kind of breaks. Yet our tax dollars go to helping someone else just becuase they're Mexican and we're not.
Yeah,that's justice for you.
Look at how many legally born and bred residents struggle through poverty becuase they DON'T get those kind of breaks. Yet our tax dollars go to helping someone else just becuase they're Mexican and we're not.
Yeah,that's justice for you.
Michaelitos | 8:46 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
This act is NOT an entitlement program. The students who go to college do so
because they worked hard, got good grades, and got accepted to the institution
of higher learning on their own. And if they do exceptionally well in high
school, maybe they even earned a scholarship. And I say, good for them!
Good for them for trying to better their situation. Good for them for wanting to contribute to the economy and to society. Good for them for getting an education.
After a weekend where many residents of our great state were told to be more compassionate, I find it VERY disappointing to read so much vitriol in this forum.
PASS THE DREAM ACT!!!
Good for them for trying to better their situation. Good for them for wanting to contribute to the economy and to society. Good for them for getting an education.
After a weekend where many residents of our great state were told to be more compassionate, I find it VERY disappointing to read so much vitriol in this forum.
PASS THE DREAM ACT!!!
Kopftasche | 9:03 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Just a couple of things:
"Salguero discovered her legal right to an education ended at high school." One does not have a right to an education. Education is a privilege given to us by a society that values education in support of a free people. As Americans we understand the relationship between knowledge, power and tyranny. Or at least we should.
One of the comments above mentions the perpetual fund. The difference between that and the situation in this article is that the perpetual fund is not compulsory, while taxes are. Once those tax dollars leave my wallet, I have little say how they are used. It makes me more than a little irate when children of people that have invaded our country illegally, and have not paid taxes get assistance and in state tuition, while I am forced to pay out of state fees.
The frustration is watching those who have broken the law get opportunities handed to them while those of us who play by the rules must struggle to compete. It's neither fair nor right.
"Salguero discovered her legal right to an education ended at high school." One does not have a right to an education. Education is a privilege given to us by a society that values education in support of a free people. As Americans we understand the relationship between knowledge, power and tyranny. Or at least we should.
One of the comments above mentions the perpetual fund. The difference between that and the situation in this article is that the perpetual fund is not compulsory, while taxes are. Once those tax dollars leave my wallet, I have little say how they are used. It makes me more than a little irate when children of people that have invaded our country illegally, and have not paid taxes get assistance and in state tuition, while I am forced to pay out of state fees.
The frustration is watching those who have broken the law get opportunities handed to them while those of us who play by the rules must struggle to compete. It's neither fair nor right.
To Michaelitos: | 9:19 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
You obviously refer to LDS Conference when you address compassion. Do you fail
to recognize that another tenet of the LDS faith is to obey the law and to be
honest!!! To do otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy. The LDS faithful were also
told to obey all laws not just the ones that suit our needs. As an american
citizen who came here as a legal immigrant. I waited for years to get here and I
came from abject poverty. I followed the laws of this great land, paid out of
state tuition to get my education and I did it honorably and honestly. I can
teach my children and same thing and expect honesty of them.
To: Michaelitos | 9:26 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
The American Public is fed up, disgusted, disillusioned and frankly angry at the
misuse of our tax dollars and our system of mollycoddling those who do not
respect or obey our laws. These students do have the option to return to their
country of origin and get an education there. The sins of the fathers are
visited upon the children, whether we like it or not. They want the American
Dream without obeying the law to get it. I do not beleive the Dream Act or
Amnesty has a chance of passing in this economic climate where illegals are
viewed as nothing short of parasites demanding rights in our country. It's
not an issue of compassion its an issue of consequences for illegal actions.
intelligence and hard work | 9:45 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Still to this day I do not understand why scholarships don’t go to the
students with the best grades. Take all college students and give the students
between 4.0 and 3.5 a full ride. Who cares if the student is black, white, or
Asian, who cares if their parents are college graduates or mechanics. I think
the school system should reward two things, intelligence and hard work. If you
are intelligent and naturally get good grades, good for you, I will reward that.
If we reward intelligence it will be repaid in the future. Second I would reward
hard work. Not the smartest person? Work harder. If you work hard enough you
will succeed, if not you didn’t work hard enough. So by rewarding the
highest grade students you send a clear message. I will reward hard work and
intelligence….
Anonymous | 9:46 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Oh yea, interesting fact. If you are not the first person in your family to go
to college ( i.e. my parents have college degrees) I am not eligible for certain
scholarships, certain classes, and even certain tutors. Seriously, I am
discriminated on based on my parent’s college degrees. Punish the child
for the educated parents? So if you don’t want children punished for their
parents being illegal immigrants, why should I be punished for my parents have
college degrees? This is spitting in the face of my parents.
2002 Supporter | 9:46 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
I was there, in support, of this wonderful act by our legislature. Those
students that qualify must attend their High School here in Utah and graduate
with good grades to get into college. The only thing this law does is allow them
to go to college with their classmates. This is great motivation not to drop out
and turn to crime that so many do. It is not their fault their parents
don't have a birth right. Every college graduate makes our state better and
stronger. This was a smart legislative law in 2002 and history will support it.
Shame on those that use poor me or hate for trying to keep your classmates from
working hard for a better life.
Hurting Millions | 9:57 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
This is just news spin by Wendy Leonard and should be confined to the opinion
section, not the educational news section.
Yeah, a few hundred are being helped, but the remaining millions of us are being harmed by having to pay more tax, pay higher tuition for our kids, and by having our kids frozen out of the higher education we pay for by students who do not.
UNAM, UAG, even UAS in Hermosillo are all good schools, AND they are paid for by taxes these kids' parents, grandparents, friends, and neighbors pay, rather than us.
Yeah, a few hundred are being helped, but the remaining millions of us are being harmed by having to pay more tax, pay higher tuition for our kids, and by having our kids frozen out of the higher education we pay for by students who do not.
UNAM, UAG, even UAS in Hermosillo are all good schools, AND they are paid for by taxes these kids' parents, grandparents, friends, and neighbors pay, rather than us.
Unfair | 9:58 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
Isn't it sickening that if I wanted to go back to school after my children
are raised that I have to pay full tuition to get an education? I have paid
taxes for 25 years. So where is my full ride scholarship? Let me get this
straight. Illegal aliens can break the law, come across our borders, their
children can apply for full ride scholarships to receive a degree while I have
to pay for one when I am a law abiding citizen who has paid taxes for decades?
Sound just a big WRONG?
unfair | 9:59 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
it should also be noted that even though many of these students are supported by
their illegal parents that the schools allow them to claim independent on the
fafsa since their parents don't have social security numbers.
this almost always gives them full-ride government grants for school that they won't have to even pay back.
for children with parents that have social security numbers you have to wait until age 26 or be married to claim independent status even if you actually live on your own and are independent.
this almost always gives them full-ride government grants for school that they won't have to even pay back.
for children with parents that have social security numbers you have to wait until age 26 or be married to claim independent status even if you actually live on your own and are independent.
DLD | 10:04 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
There are a lot of factual errors in this latest pro illegal-alien sob story:
The story states that the law in question helps the children of "undocumented workers". It only helps the children of illegal aliens who are also illegal aliens. Children born to illegal aliens in the U.S. are considered U.S. citizens, and do not need to law to receive in-state tuition.
Utah's law violates Federal immigration law, which expressly forbids states from offering in-state tuition to illegal aliens. There is a pending lawsuit in California, where a court has already ruled against the state that has a similar policy.
According to the House Education committee, the out-of-state tuition rates reflect the actual cost of educating a college student, so it's misleading to say that giving so many illegal aliens a tuition break doesn't cost the state anything. When passed, the bill sponsor claimed that only 20 students per yer would take advantage.
Since there is no DREAM act in place, what is the point of educating illegal aliens if they are not able to legally work here, with or without an education?
The story states that the law in question helps the children of "undocumented workers". It only helps the children of illegal aliens who are also illegal aliens. Children born to illegal aliens in the U.S. are considered U.S. citizens, and do not need to law to receive in-state tuition.
Utah's law violates Federal immigration law, which expressly forbids states from offering in-state tuition to illegal aliens. There is a pending lawsuit in California, where a court has already ruled against the state that has a similar policy.
According to the House Education committee, the out-of-state tuition rates reflect the actual cost of educating a college student, so it's misleading to say that giving so many illegal aliens a tuition break doesn't cost the state anything. When passed, the bill sponsor claimed that only 20 students per yer would take advantage.
Since there is no DREAM act in place, what is the point of educating illegal aliens if they are not able to legally work here, with or without an education?
Tuition break is justified | 10:09 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
These kids parents contribute to the Utah economy by working here, paying taxes
here, and these people do things we need to have done. Beyond that they
patronise Utah businesses.
So if they get Utah in state tution, they are not a burden, they take more, but they also contribute more.
This tuition break is justified.
So if they get Utah in state tution, they are not a burden, they take more, but they also contribute more.
This tuition break is justified.
2002 Supporter | 10:09 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
I don't want to discriminate against anyone but I do want a level playing
field. I graduated with a 3.95 but because my parents are college graduates and
have a reasonable income I didn't qualify for anything so I am working two
jobs just to pay for my tuition and while I got into the U of U, I had to chose
a cheaper college but the kicker is that two of my illegal classmates with much
lower GPA's got into the U, got scholarships because they were first in
their family to go to college and their illegal parents were declaring a very
low income, because they were being paid cash under the table. Shame on me, how
dare you say that!
utah | 10:35 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
always trying to be perfect the only question is at what?
"Justified" | 10:35 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
I don't understand the comment "they are not a burden, they take more,
but they also contribute more". What exactly does that mean? How do they
contribute more? Most of these illegals are getting paid lower wages and
usually in cash which depresses the job market and wages in general. They have
no right to be working here and probably are using a stolen SS #. How does that
contribute more except more criminal activity? You are right that they take
more, more taxes for education, more social services, more law enforcement, more
resources intended for legal immigrants and citizens and more jobs also intended
for those who are legal.
The tuition break is just another "more" and it is not justified.
The tuition break is just another "more" and it is not justified.
Tutition Break | 10:39 a.m. Oct. 19, 2009
"these people do things we need to have done". Why don't we mow
our own lawns, clean our own homes, work in fast food restaurants and deport all
illegals. My children are working in landscaping, fast food and housekeeping as
well as construction, when jobs are available to help pay their way through
school. It would be a small price to pay to rid our country of leeches and
criminals.
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The story pretends that the pitiful students are benefiting from the tuition breaks. Well, Ms. Crompton, MOST students do not pay their tuition, their PARENTS do! Thus we are rewarding the lawbreaking illegal parents, not the innocent offspring, who benefit immensely from every other aspect of living here in the U.S.
Worse, we have stringent residency requirements that discriminate against LEGAL U.S. CITIZENS from other states, even those who are kids in military families stationed here but legally residents of a permanent state elsewhere.
REPEAL THE TUITION BREAK FOR ILLEGALS!
It is a luxury we can no longer afford with huge defecits in the state budget, regardless of how sympathetic some of the students might be.