Reader comments
Anti-BCS folks hope to broaden their base

63 comments   |   Read story

Yawn | 9:58 p.m. Oct. 14, 2009
BCS will continue. Perhaps they can't declare a 'champion' though.
Great idea | 10:17 p.m. Oct. 14, 2009
Sounds like an important effort that hasn't been tried before. Best of luck.
Love it | 10:27 p.m. Oct. 14, 2009
Fantastic idea. The only way that the BCS will fall.
Comments continue below
Great idea | 10:27 p.m. Oct. 14, 2009
Finally a feasible path to reform. Fight BCS politics with real politics.
For the Love of the Game | 11:30 p.m. Oct. 14, 2009
We need to be careful as to what replaces the BCS. Look at how corrupted the NCAA Playoff system has become. Those same big conferences that make up the BCS take up most of the slots for the playoffs. Why should one conference have 4 or 5 playoff births while other conferences have 1 or 2.

It should be the Conference champions and at large teams with the best W/L records. But it isn't that way.

We may get rid of a corrupt BCS system and get an even more corrupt playoff system.

Regardless of the money behind the schools, this is a game that enhances the schools and as such all schools should have an equal chance to participate.
REDISTRIBUTION | 11:52 p.m. Oct. 14, 2009
This scheme sounds like a REDISTRIBUTION OF INCOME.

As a CONSERVATIVE, I cannot support this SOCIALIST SCHEME.
Re: REDISTRIBUTION | 11:52 p.m | 12:49 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
You need to rethink this issue. It is NOT a redistribution of income. Teams like Utah, Boise St, BYU, etc contribute much more to the college football industry than teams like Vanderbilt, Duke, Baylor, etc. yet the latter teams all get a substantial portion of the wealth generated by college football based solely on geograpic location or other ties while the former teams have little chance right now to get an equal portion no matter what they do. As a CONSERVATIVE, you should support this action because it more fairly distributes the wealth to those who actually EARN it.
BSU  | 4:55 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Is a bunch of BCS........who have they played other than Oregon a weak school from the PAC 10. TCU will get beat by another MWC team this year, so they're out!!!
Finally! | 5:36 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Finally, a group that is doing more than selling t-shirts and taking the battle to the BCS in a meaningful way!
Anonymous | 7:19 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
A playoff for College football could become the biggest event in sports. I can't even watch our local teams play in these meaningless bowls any more. In reality last years Sugar Bowl was essentially meaningless. Imagine the impact and the excitement if the winner of that game went on to play in the National Championship game the next week. Why they don't create a playoff system is beyond me.
All about the money | 8:05 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Let's be honest, the teams don't care about the championship part of the BCS, they care about the money. That's the true issue - some schools get millions while others get next to nothing. Why is it that we think a playoff will fix all this? I hate the BCS, but I got to admit that I highly doubt that a playoff system would even work. These athletes are students and a playoff would last too long.
It's beyone me as well | 8:18 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
I am a moderately big sports fan. I like watching any teams/individuals from any sport as long as it is a good competetion. I think I represent a large contingent of sports fans in this country. Let me say that if there were a playoff system for college football it would be one of the most exciting sporting event in the world if not the most exciting. It is absolutely beyond me why the BCS and others in charge of college football don't realize this. They could transform s system that no real sports fan recognizes as fair into something amazing! Why in the world do they not want to do it? It would be win win win...everybody would win!
RE:BSU | 8:22 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Ha, good one. "Oregon a weak schoold from the PAC 10". Don't watch much football these days? Oregon is anything but weak and Boise State manhandled them this year in Boise as well as beat them on their own field last year...a place the Utes couldn't...Go ahead and keep your BSU hatred to yourself. Granted, Boise fans don't get to town much and it shows, but their program is solid in spite of the WAC.

Boise instantly gets more love than any MWC team. Other than Oregon they haven't played a decent team this year, yet they're ranked in the top 5 (at least until this Sunday when they'll likely drop a notch or two). TCU can't say that. Utah couldn't say that last year after 6 games.

Go ahead and display your jealousy of Boise but they've got a good thing going up there in spud land whether you agree or not!
Cats | 8:23 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
They don't create a playoff because they're making a lot of money and controlling everything. That's monopolistic power. I has to stop.
@BSU from AZ | 8:31 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Oregon is a weak team from the PAC 10???
Have you watched college football lately?
I realize BSU doesn't play back to back to back contenders.
But then neither does Florida or Ohio State.
So as long as they or any team runs the table on
their schedule, and especially if they beat the one or two good teams on their schedule, they are
as deserving as any team in the country to get a
shot at the championship.
hhh | 8:41 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
On the education side of things, the non BCS schools generate more athletes that graduate and have better grades--good for the long term. Maybe this should be another factor that figures into the BCS polls. Have athletes who have brains instead of those who drop school and go to the pros play in the BCS games.
Anonymous | 8:49 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
A playoff is already done in the FCS ranks and has been successful for years. A college football playoff would create more excitement than any other event.

I would like to see the bowl games continued as well. I don't care if BYU is in Las Vegas or Boise, another game is always interesting to me. With the present system, only 2 teams play a game that "matters" (NC) anyway.

Bring on the playoffs. An undefeated team deserves a right to compete. Non-BCS teams are 3-1 in BCS games. Even though I hate Utah, they should have had a shot at the NC last year.
The reason | 9:21 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
no one showed up at the committee meeting held by HATCH is because he no longer has any influence in the Senate. He has an axe to grind. The UofU. He is an old man with no clout and he doesn't have anything else better to do. Please Utah find someone else next election year.
BCS Wahhhh!!! | 9:28 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
I think a playoff system will do nothing but expose many of the non-BCS "contenders" for what they are - posers.

Non-BCS schools will only be legitimate in the eyes of BCS schools when the "nons" start playing real schedules and teams.

Case in point: Boise State (#5? really?). BSU does really well against the fantastic WAC, but how do they do in bowl games? Don't give me the "we beat OU bull." We all know that was a fluke. If you play that game 100 times, OU wins 99.

That said, I believe Utah got the shaft last year. They were legit. Utah pounded an excellent Alabama team, and Utah did it playing legitimate football. However, beating Alabama once is a far cry from a playoff based system in which a team like Utah would be required to play multiple BCS caliber teams on the way to a championship.

Stuart G. Crump | 9:30 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Getting government involved in football is more inappropriate than using your sleeve to wipe your mouth at the dinner table.

It's just a game, my friends.
Re: @BSU from AZ | 9:33 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
There's no way Boise State deserves a shot at the title game. The Oregon win was great, but they don't play a single other ranked team all year and the only WAC team with a winning record that Boise State will play is Idaho...Idaho! Not to mention that Boise only beat a mediocre Tulsa team by one touchdown and they were behind for much of the game.

If Fresno and Hawaii had won all their OOC games and Fresno was ranked then there'd be an outside chance for Boise State (similar to what BYU had before FSU), but even if all four teams ahead of Boise State lose, they don't deserve to go to the NC game because one and two loss teams will have better victories than BSU and jump them. In fact Boise will probably drop a couple of spots this week to #7 or #8 (like TCU did last week for barely beating AF). Boise isn't playing like a top 5 team (let alone a top 2 team), and the voters can see that. There's no chance for a NC game unless they win every week by 50 or more.
Have our own playoff | 9:41 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Why don't the non-BCS conferences all get together and hold a playoff at the end of the year? You could invite the big boys, who would no doubt turn it down, and at the end you could declare the winner the national champion. Of course, not everyone would recognize this champion, but at least we wouldn't be constantly biting at the heels of the BCS trying to crash their party. Throw our own party and see who shows up.
Sue the NCAA | 9:46 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Nobody has mentioned the idea the NCAA should be sued for endorsing the BCS. The NCAA is responsible for creating a fair system for student athletes. The BCS could easily be proven to be unfair. The teams need to be able to settle it on the field and play each other to determine the champion. It works in every other sport on the planet, including division II football

A playoff system of 16 teams would be best. We would create a December, or January-madness atmosphere similar to that of march madness. The competition and hope to be able to go to the next round would bring out many more casual fans, than the current system that only caters to the doe-hard fans.

It would be difficult for fans to travel to 4 or 5 games, so maybe the first couple of rounds could be played at the stadium of the team with the best record, or highest ranking.
Where is NCAA? | 9:52 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Apparently the NCAA has been bought & paid for. Why have they not been vigilant in the name of fairness? Why do they allow the BCS to control them? Why do they sit back and say nothing on the subject?

Why?

Money. Graft. Kick backs. Greased palms. Pay offs. Bags of money in parking lots.

Shame on NCAA. Step up!
BSU? | 9:53 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Talk about weak, did anybody see BSU @ Tulsa last night. BSU blew any chance of gaining credibility. Based on their schedule and performance last night, they will never go higher than #5. The commentators stated over and over again that BSU's schedule is too weak to get them to the championship game.
spencer | 10:14 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Stuart, you're right that it's "just a game", and that there's more important fish to fry; that being said, it's a beautiful game, and potentially a great cultural tradition, especially if it embodies American principles of competition, equity and access.
Shecky | 10:27 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
You people all need to get a life. Blah, Blah, Blah.
I say we march on the NCAA and force a football playoff. Get your torches and pitchforks ready, and quit picking on Boise State...who, by the way are 3-0 against BYU and Utah. And another thing. Will some of you please look in the dictionary and learn the proper usage of there, they're and their. Most of you would fail Junior High School English, yet you continue to pontificate with grammatical errors. STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!
Re: Stuart G. Crump | 9:30 a.m | 10:29 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
It's NOT just a game when it involves hundreds of millions of dollars each year.

Getting government involved is the ONLY way that it's going to change.
Ratman | 10:30 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
To those on both sides arguing about BSU: You all are missing the point entirely. Don't you get it? It's not about whether or not BSU is any good or not. It's about EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY (not to be confused with equality of results). Much as I dislike BSU personally, they should have the same opportunity as any other FBS school to compete for a national championship. The only way I see all 120 current D1 FBS schools achieving this equality is through a playoff. A playoff would give a team like TCU, BSU or Utah a chance to EARN a national championship on the field of play. Conversely, it would give fans of the so-called "power conferences" the same opportunity to prove their teams are superior. Everyone wins. I agree with the posters above who mention what an exciting event a D1 football playoff would be.
@BSU 4:55AM | 10:42 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
I love the Broncos and am amazed and delighted at their continuing success, but before you go slamming the MWC conference as being weak, take a close look at the weaklings in your own league. Every league has them. You are no exception. Much of your own glossy record is built on the backs of lesser teams in your own back yard. You are naive and arrogant if you think BSU is not a big fish in a small pond.
Spencer | 10:44 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
I thought BSU performed well; winning is all that should matter. This putative requirement of "style points" is one of the biggest drawbacks of college football's current poll-dominated system. Fans should demand a playoff, now.
Re: BSU from AZ 9:33 | 10:47 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
In your opinion, did BYU deserve a NC in 1984? If so, why doesn't BSU deserve a shot this year?

Both teams played weak schedules (although at least BSU played a very good Oregon team). BYU didn't play any good team, including the bowl game, all year long. BYU also had several close games against teams that weren't great so I wouldn't discount the Tulsa game so quickly.

I just don't understand how people quickly discount BSU's accomplishments but bust their buttons with pride on BYU's similar accomplishments back in the day. If you support BYU's 1984 NC, you have to support BSU getting a chance this year.
Me, Myself and I | 10:47 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
A 16 team playoff like FCS runs would work perfect for FBS. There are 11 NCAA FBS conferences. Each conf. champ would get a birth in the tournament. The Independent (Notre Dame, Navy, or Army) with the best record would also get an automatic berth. The last four spots would be filled by the next four highest ranked teams in the coaches’ poll. To all you traditionalist afraid of losing bowl games there wouldn't be any lost. Each round of the playoffs would be sponsored by an already existing bowl except for the first round which would be played on the campus of the higher seeded team. You'd still have the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar and Orange Bowls sponsoring the quarter-finals and two more big bowl games for the Semi-finals. The final would be the equivalent to the BCS championship game. In addition teams not making the playoffs would still be eligible to play in the non-BCS bowl games. Its all about money and although my system would provide opportunity to make more of it the now BCS schools don't want to take the chance of losing that revenue to a smaller school/conference.
Spencer | 10:53 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Imagine how great a January analogue to March Madness would be . . . . I might even be able to start tolerating SLC winter inversions.
Not the way | 10:55 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
This is a socialist tactic, if you can't win on merits, make it a political issue. In the long run this can only destroy college football.
@ BCS Wahhhh!!!  | 11:35 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
You're right the Non-AQ teams will be exposed 9 of 10 times, but don't they deserve a chance?

Also, how many times in the last 10 years has there been a controversy over who made it to the NC? It's not just about mid-majors getting a chance. It's about getting the right team in the NC.
Re: Not the way | 11:46 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Explain how an open, fair, equal access playoff is a socialist tactic ? Now, explain how a closed system (BCS) that is manipulated by the controlling conferences is not essentially an illegal cartel ?

The BCS in the long run will destroy college football. The gap between the Haves and Have Nots is growing larger and the ability of the Have Nots to compete is unfairly limited. The BCS has also now marginalized all bowls (including the other BCS bowls) that are not the national championship game.
re: not the way | 11:50 a.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Save the socialist fear-mongering garbage for AM radio. We have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Well, I have a freaking grievance and I want someone to hear about it. Kudos to the PAC. P.S. Did you miss the part about it being spearheaded by Jon McCain's campaign adviser. If we can't be bipartisan about issues that really matter in this country, at least we can find some common ground on the issue of fairness in highly publicly subsidized football.
Real football? | 12:00 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
BSU didn't play fair? You sound like those SEC whiners complaining that Utah should have played like they play in the SEC. If it's in the rules, it's legal. Boise State defeated OU. Utah defeated Alabama---LIVE WITH IT! They don't have to play those games 100 times, they play them ONCE! One and done! BSC conferences want it all for themselves and their only reason boils down to arrogance and arrogance and, arrogance.

BSU trailed for most of the game? Must have been a different BSU than what is being reported last night. They trailed, but not "most of the game".
NOT SO FAST... | 12:29 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
12:49 AM

TAKING from those that have and GIVING to those that don't have IS SOCIALISM.
BSU and BYU | 12:37 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
You really can't compare BYU's 1984 championship with Boise State's BCS championship possibilities.

Different circumstances. Different rules.

In 1984, perception was everything. Voters in the polls decided who they thought deserved to be #1 based on their own personal criteria. The ONLY requirement for winning the national championship was being ranked #1 in the Final Poll. Whether a team deserved to be #1 was decided by the voters.

The majority of voters in every major poll felt that BYU deserved to be #1 and voted accordingly.

Boise State is facing an entirely different situation with a mix of voter perception and computer rankings determining whether they'll finish #1 or #2 in the final BCS rankings.

Unfortunately for Boise State, there is a built-in bias against non-AQ BCS teams because voters tend to give the benefit of the doubt about SOS to teams in the so-called "power" conferences. Florida is allowed to squeak past Kentucky, but Boise State is not allowed to squeak past Utah State.

That said, I must say I haven't been impressed with Boise State this season. A Top 5 team should have been able to dominate Tulsa.
NCAA=BCS | 12:53 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
The NCAA is all 120 FBS schools and since a majority of those schools are in the BCS AQ conferences, they have the power to decide whether to have a playoff, or not. The BCS is the NCAA and the NCAA is the BCS in partnership with ESPN/ABC.

It's the golden rule.

He who has the gold makes the rules.

BCS Conferences - 65 teams plus Notre Dame
non-BCS Conferences - 54 teams

The BCS is a big business monopoly.

There are only three ways to bust up this monopoly:

1) Legislation

2) A lawsuit

3) Convincing the BCS conferences to voluntarily share power and control of major college football with the non-BCS conferences

Bigger is Usually Better | 12:58 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Florida, USC, Texas, OU etc etc are better year in and year out than the smaller schools for a number of reasons. For one thing they better facilities, better recruiting classes, richer traditions, better coaching staffs, etc etc.

Many people think they have taken resources away from the smaller schools. Perhaps the big schools created the wealth they enjoy and now the have nots are trying to take it away. Doesn't sound American to me.
Good Luck | 1:09 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
It is only going to get worse no matter what - I am pretty much tired of this stupid systems "NCAA, BCS and Politics" I lost interest seeing any of those bcs games. I only follow one or two teams per year and that would be BYU and Up North!
Joel | 1:14 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
I agree with the 3 ways to bust up this monopoly - except the 3rd option will never happen - why would those with all the money and power just up and decide to give it up and share with everyone.
I have a hard time understanding why the NCAA doesn't put a stop to all this.
Nathan | 1:16 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
I partly understand the previous comment stating: the NCAA is the BCS and vica versa, however, the NCAA is still a different entity - organized to oversee ALL of the sanctioned sports. Why are we not shooting our arrows at the NCAA - when they are the ones that oversee all of this, and they have allowed the BCS to dictate - based on money - how the national champion will be determined.
Ryan | 1:18 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
I agree, our anger should be directed to the NCAA. Sure I don't like the BCS, but they had a business and money making deal, and they proposed it to a few elite groups, and they liked it. The NCAA didn't have to allow for it. Let's target the NCAA.
Grover | 1:52 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
NCAA=BCS: Leave it to the government to take the most expensive and time consuming way to solve a problem! The quick and dirty solution is to pass a statute that no game can be called "the National Championship" unless it is the result of a playoff system in which all Division 1 schools are eligible. Of course, this proposal doesn't allow for much grandstanding or tv face time by politicians, so it is probably doomed.
re: Bigger is Usually Better | 1:59 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
Nobody can argue that teams like Florida, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, and LSU haven't raised the level of play and interest in college football.

The real issue is FAIRNESS!

Why should the perennial cellar dwellers in the BCS conferences (and EVERY BCS conference has them) be able to share in the huge revenue pie generated by the BCS games, while very good teams from the non-BCS conferences are left on the outside looking in.

Why are perennial losing teams like Indiana, Duke, Washington St., and Baylor GUARANTEED huge BCS checks every year, while perennial Top 25 teams like Boise State, TCU and BYU are forced to have a perfect, undefeated season just to have a chance (not even guaranteed) to share in the BCS pie?

Many BCS schools won't even schedule the good non-AQ schools, and then they use not playing top competition as their excuse for not including the non-AQ schools in the NC discussion.

A playoff with all 11 conference champions and the next 5 highest ranked teams seeded by an NCAA selection committee just like the NCAA basketball tournament is the ONLY way of FAIRLY deciding a true National Champion!
The BCS controls the NCAA | 2:12 p.m. Oct. 15, 2009
There could be no more convincing proof that this is the case than when the NCAA decided to change the names of the major college football divisions from 1-A and 1-AA to

Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) formerly 1-A
Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) formerly 1-AA

The NCAA was clearly giving its stamp of approval to the BCS in making the name change.

Major college football within the NCAA is controlled and run by the schools in the BCS conferences. Complaining to the NCAA about the BCS is like complaining to ESPN about the television coverage on ABC; the exact same people are the ultimate decision makers for both organizations.

Add your comment

Comments are monitored. Any comments found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, more than 200 words or containing URLs will not be posted.

Words Remaining

E-mail address: For internal use only. We may want to contact you to publish your comment (not your e-mail address) in the newspaper or for a separate story idea.

previousnext

Latest comments

watch out for next year for sure, the negatives are just closet (and...

And something else, I generally follow players from the state schools when...

I could care less that Max Hall said what he did. The feeling is mutual BYU...

BYU is champion of the state

Dear Max, probably could have done without that comment. Probably would've...

Hall mouths off about hate of Utah

As a Utah fan, let me first say congratulations to Max Hall, the Cougars, and...

Geno's and Pat's are good.. but, they are mostly for tourists, the real...

Hall mouths off about hate of Utah

(You even got a middle initial... how's that for 'ya Max) It's nice to see...

Air Up There, The

Even today, I still cannot get enough of this movie or Charles Gitonga Maina....

Cougars beat Utes in overtime

...disappointed with Max Hall's comments that he hates everything about UofU....

Over the last few days I read comments of people complaining about tasteless...

Advertisements