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Admit it, the MWC just stinks
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You're right | 8:50 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
Utah is awful, just awful! You said it, not me.
Digbads | 8:52 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
Have you been conscious during the life of the MWC? Or the WAC prior to
that?
What a great year for the MWC. Three teams in the top 25. One team in the top ten for the most of the year. What are you expecting?
Wake up from dreamland and be grateful for such good football in our conference.
What a great year for the MWC. Three teams in the top 25. One team in the top ten for the most of the year. What are you expecting?
Wake up from dreamland and be grateful for such good football in our conference.
Cougar | 8:56 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
Utah is a good team. Not nearly as good as last year. BYU will win that game
this year but will have a two loss season when they drop to TCU. Another Vegas
Bowl appearance is on the horizon.
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The Dude | 8:56 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
I agree with this, except BYU is slightly better than last year. Slightly.
Right On | 9:07 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
I am a WAC fan, The bottom of the WAC is much better than the MWC. The bottom 3
are horrid. But the top of the MWC, the TOP 3 are stronger than the WAC top 3
barely. Boise State would slaughter any and all MWC teams this yr. They barely
lost to TCU last yr with a Freshman QB and Routed Oregon, who thumped Utah and
will be 1 or 2 in PAC 10.
But still a strong yr for MWC. But definately off last yr's appearance.
I still like to see MWC and WAC beat up on any all other teams, no matter what.
But still a strong yr for MWC. But definately off last yr's appearance.
I still like to see MWC and WAC beat up on any all other teams, no matter what.
This is Why | 9:15 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
You Don't want to add BSU to the MWC.
If BSU comes in and if they were competing with the other top 3 teams for wins week in/week out.
It would be much more likely that the eventual conference champ would have at least 1 or 2 losses.
If the MWC champ, year in/year out, were to come in with 1, or especially 2, losses then the BCS would use that as proof that the MWC teams were no good.
Much easier to beat 2 out of 2 each year then 3 out of 3.
Just Sayin'
If BSU comes in and if they were competing with the other top 3 teams for wins week in/week out.
It would be much more likely that the eventual conference champ would have at least 1 or 2 losses.
If the MWC champ, year in/year out, were to come in with 1, or especially 2, losses then the BCS would use that as proof that the MWC teams were no good.
Much easier to beat 2 out of 2 each year then 3 out of 3.
Just Sayin'
Ben H. | 9:30 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
WAC
1 team on par with TCU, Utah and BYU...Boise State
3 teams on par with the MWC 2nd tier...Fresno State and Idaho Nevada looks like they may have turned around their season after a poor start
5 teams that are struggling. Hawaii (since June Jones left for SMU) San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Utah State and New Mexico State.
And let's not even look at the Big East.
1 team on par with TCU, Utah and BYU...Boise State
3 teams on par with the MWC 2nd tier...Fresno State and Idaho Nevada looks like they may have turned around their season after a poor start
5 teams that are struggling. Hawaii (since June Jones left for SMU) San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Utah State and New Mexico State.
And let's not even look at the Big East.
To Right On @ 9:07 | 9:34 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
Keep dreamin. Boise State is ok but would not slaughter the top of the MWC.
BYU would beat them, TCU would beat them, Utah would beat them, Air Force would
beat them. WAC stands for the Weak Athletic Conference. They are over rated.
USU will give them a tough game and will probably win.
WACy vision | 9:36 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
Record wise, the top 3 teams in the WAC are Idaho, BSU and NMSU and you think
TCU, BYU and Utah are just barely better? You probably thought BSU would beat
TCU last year too. Barely lost on the scoreboard but clearly dominated by TCU
on the field.
The problem with comparing the bottom 3 is that the bottom 6 in the WAC all have losing records already. The MWC only has 3 teams with losing records. The MWC's middle 3 teams are better than the WAC's.
I do agree however that we all benefit when teams from both leagues beat BCS teams.
The problem with comparing the bottom 3 is that the bottom 6 in the WAC all have losing records already. The MWC only has 3 teams with losing records. The MWC's middle 3 teams are better than the WAC's.
I do agree however that we all benefit when teams from both leagues beat BCS teams.
FroginOklahoma | 9:50 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
You've come to this conclusion how??? Because TCU had a close game with the
team that has clearly been the fourth best team in the Mountain West for the
past few years? If you'd take a second to look at the stats, you'll
see that the Frogs outgained Air Force in every meaningful category except for
turnovers. This league has one weak team (*cough* New Mexico), however, every
other team stands a chance to win every week.
The Mountain West has more marquis wins this year than last year and if the Big 3 can escape conference play without losing to any teams, save for each other, this season could arguably be more respectable than last year. Wins over Oklahoma, Virginia, and Clemson are accomplishments to be proud of. Yes, they are having down years, but all stand a chance to make bowl games and OU could still end up in a BCS bowl. Just what part of that is weak?
The Mountain West has more marquis wins this year than last year and if the Big 3 can escape conference play without losing to any teams, save for each other, this season could arguably be more respectable than last year. Wins over Oklahoma, Virginia, and Clemson are accomplishments to be proud of. Yes, they are having down years, but all stand a chance to make bowl games and OU could still end up in a BCS bowl. Just what part of that is weak?
OOC Wins | 10:07 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
As it stands, BSU has the best out of conference win, unless you're just
going by opinion, which those in the bubble seem to prefer. So until they play,
yes, BSU probably is the best team of those mentioned this year.
Still better than... | 10:13 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
... the Big (L)east and the WAC. Is Mr. Sorenson just trying to drum up
controversy with a weak article about the MWC? Did he have a deadline to come
up with something as trite as this article? Look at the big pic fella. The MWC
has had an outstanding record against AQ's since the beginning of the BCS.
When re-evaluated the MWC will become AQ's and the Big East will be out.
UteFan | 10:15 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
MWC does stink. If not for the Mighty Utes, there would not be a really good
team in the conference. Utes go to BCS games and the other teams like byu, new
mexico, wyoming, UNLV go to lesser bowls. We need to bring in some good
football trams to compete with Utah and get rid of some of the lame ducks.
cougs, you owe your ranking to Utah and its dominate play that has brought attention to the MWC. Without Utah, the MWC would be less than the WAC.
cougs, you owe your ranking to Utah and its dominate play that has brought attention to the MWC. Without Utah, the MWC would be less than the WAC.
trueblue | 10:32 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
Great atticle, I think your spot on. I do think Utah and BYU are getting better
each week. I hope BYU continues to get better and after a three touchdown
victory over San Diego State, (I hope) they don't have a let down against
TCU. It is possible they could get the idea that TCU is like their previous two
opponents. In order to get better, the cougars just need to beat the team in
front of them and that is San Diego State.
This Year's Gordon Monson | 10:49 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
At about this time last season Gordon Monson published an article about how the
Utes were "just plain overrated".
This year has been bad for the Mountain West overall, yes, but what if say TCU ends up beating Cincinatti in the Fiesta Bowl?
Every single conference has terrible teams like New Mexico in it, even the mighty SEC.
This year has been bad for the Mountain West overall, yes, but what if say TCU ends up beating Cincinatti in the Fiesta Bowl?
Every single conference has terrible teams like New Mexico in it, even the mighty SEC.
amen | 10:52 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
I agree with Utefan @ 10:15
RE: Right On | 10:53 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
The Blue Ponies should have their field band from competition. Have you ever
watched a TV game on that stuff. Smoke and mirrors, gimmicks and gadgets.
Works good once but... you know the rest.
When BSU beats somebody in a bowl game that is ranked higher than them, then I'll tip my hat. Until then don't take yourself to seriously. Beating #15? OK in a down year ( your were actually ranked higher)can't compare with dominating a top 5 team at a venue that is basically a home game for them.
We'll see who the best team in the MWC is this year.
Just like last year, everybody said Utah just kept squeeking by OSU (last minute FG), NM 13-10,
TCU 13-10, but by the end of the year Utah was smoking.
Like last year, Utah is improving every week. Their best ball is ahead of them. BYU, TCU, and BSU are playing about as good as they'll get.
I'll be happy to wait to see how it shakes out. But what a great set up for next year.
When BSU beats somebody in a bowl game that is ranked higher than them, then I'll tip my hat. Until then don't take yourself to seriously. Beating #15? OK in a down year ( your were actually ranked higher)can't compare with dominating a top 5 team at a venue that is basically a home game for them.
We'll see who the best team in the MWC is this year.
Just like last year, everybody said Utah just kept squeeking by OSU (last minute FG), NM 13-10,
TCU 13-10, but by the end of the year Utah was smoking.
Like last year, Utah is improving every week. Their best ball is ahead of them. BYU, TCU, and BSU are playing about as good as they'll get.
I'll be happy to wait to see how it shakes out. But what a great set up for next year.
Moss In Wash | 10:59 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
If BSU was a great team they would have thumped TCU in last year but they lost.
So until they can beat TCU, they are not a great team. They always struggle
against big teams away from the blue turf.
re: UteFan | 11:02 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
Glad to see UtaFan is still dilerious. Those Utes continue to impress the
national media - have they broken the top 25 yet? I'll be curious to see
you write the article when the Utes go to another BCS game this year, too.
I can't believe people are even talking about BSU. That program is a joke. Sure, they beat Oregon (at home, no less) but eveyone else they play is essentially a D2 school (WAC). I hope the BCS committee has the intelligence to see that BSU is paving their way with a cream puff schedule. At least the MWC schools scheduled BCS conference opponents to play (heck, even Utah did). BSU plays most of their schedule against teams that could barely compete with 8 man high school football squads.
I can't believe people are even talking about BSU. That program is a joke. Sure, they beat Oregon (at home, no less) but eveyone else they play is essentially a D2 school (WAC). I hope the BCS committee has the intelligence to see that BSU is paving their way with a cream puff schedule. At least the MWC schools scheduled BCS conference opponents to play (heck, even Utah did). BSU plays most of their schedule against teams that could barely compete with 8 man high school football squads.
RE: Right On | 11:15 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
TCU's Defense was lights out last year. It kept them in the bowl game last
year until their Soph. QB led the Horned Frogs on their game winning drive. Poor
Boise only had a Fresh. QB, Nice excuse! While the WAC has come a long way and
their top teams are very competitive with any program in the country lets not
forget they were the left overs when the MWC was formed. The top 8 teams from
the old 16 team WAC were the original teams in the MWC.
Trent | 11:40 p.m. Oct. 11, 2009
Weak article. Utah's season became epic last year because of the way they
finished. They had eaked out several victories during the course of the year.
The article could turn out to be true, but thus far the MWC is ahead of last
year and it remains to be seen how it finishes.
Tough to top what Utah accomplished last year, but TCU is still in position to match it. I'd rather see BYU win out as a BYU fan, but the FSU game makes it tough to know which BYU team will show up for the remaining big games.
Regardless, you could speculate that the season won't end as glorious as last year for the MWC, but that's not going out on a limb given how great things ended last year. But you can't say with a straight face that it's behind last year at this point with three top 25 teams and one top 10 team.
Tough to top what Utah accomplished last year, but TCU is still in position to match it. I'd rather see BYU win out as a BYU fan, but the FSU game makes it tough to know which BYU team will show up for the remaining big games.
Regardless, you could speculate that the season won't end as glorious as last year for the MWC, but that's not going out on a limb given how great things ended last year. But you can't say with a straight face that it's behind last year at this point with three top 25 teams and one top 10 team.
re: OOC Wins | 12:21 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Which OOC win of Boise's was so great? Was it the home game over Miami (OH)
or the away game over Bowling Green? So you're telling me that Boise's
win over Oregon AT HOME was better than a BYU win over Oklahoma on a neutral
field? I don't buy it. Oregon is not a better team than Oklahoma (with Sam
Bradford).
I also agree that Boise should not be allowed to have a turf color that matches their uniforms (or really anything other than green). It is incredibly hard to see the players on TV, let alone sitting in the pocket with rushers coming after you.
I also agree that Boise should not be allowed to have a turf color that matches their uniforms (or really anything other than green). It is incredibly hard to see the players on TV, let alone sitting in the pocket with rushers coming after you.
ChinaFan | 12:41 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Sorensen is trying to find fame by copying Monson's lame approach to
journalism. If you can't say something nice, then just call it a goat and
apologize when you are wrong.
The problem is, TCU played WELL in both the AFA contest and Clemson game. Both were in TERRIBLE weather that Sorenson should applaud their effort.
BYU faltered against FSU, but Oklahoma can't be tossed out, that was a legit win.
And Utah, while not the team from a year ago is playing well with people that were at the bottom of their two-deep.
So, there is more signs of strength and consistency from the big teams, Wyoming has played well even though they lost, and while we aren't playing the other AQ conferences as tough, we aren't playing the same teams either.
Lame article. Try again
The problem is, TCU played WELL in both the AFA contest and Clemson game. Both were in TERRIBLE weather that Sorenson should applaud their effort.
BYU faltered against FSU, but Oklahoma can't be tossed out, that was a legit win.
And Utah, while not the team from a year ago is playing well with people that were at the bottom of their two-deep.
So, there is more signs of strength and consistency from the big teams, Wyoming has played well even though they lost, and while we aren't playing the other AQ conferences as tough, we aren't playing the same teams either.
Lame article. Try again
Overreaction | 12:59 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Mike, you're 100% correct when you write early on that the 2009 season
results aren't as good as 2008. But the rest? An overreaction.
TCU is still as good as they were last year. I hope you noticed the conditions the Frogs faced at Air Force--put Florida in the cold and snow against the Cadets and they'll only score 20, too. BYU is playing even better, the FSU debacle aside. Utah's still playing a step down, but except for Oregon has found ways to win anyway.
Air Force and CSU are both better than their records indicate. Wyoming's improved. So are the Aztecs, though they've still got a LONG way to go. UNLV (pitiful) and New Mexico (TRULY pitiful) are the only drop-offs from 2008.
There's still a lot of football to play, and lots of time to have TCU, BYU, and Utah all in the Top 25 while the Big Least and Awful Coast Conference beat up on each other. So hang in there, Mike. Don't do anything foolish.
TCU is still as good as they were last year. I hope you noticed the conditions the Frogs faced at Air Force--put Florida in the cold and snow against the Cadets and they'll only score 20, too. BYU is playing even better, the FSU debacle aside. Utah's still playing a step down, but except for Oregon has found ways to win anyway.
Air Force and CSU are both better than their records indicate. Wyoming's improved. So are the Aztecs, though they've still got a LONG way to go. UNLV (pitiful) and New Mexico (TRULY pitiful) are the only drop-offs from 2008.
There's still a lot of football to play, and lots of time to have TCU, BYU, and Utah all in the Top 25 while the Big Least and Awful Coast Conference beat up on each other. So hang in there, Mike. Don't do anything foolish.
Byukarl | 1:02 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Yeah, this was a poor article. It really didn't seem that Mike took too
much time coming up with the same tired cliches.
He's right about the bottom two teams in the MWC. New Mexico and San Diego State are truly abysmal. UNLV has the talent, but seemed to have quit in the last two games. They barely lost to a Oregon State, that beat a very good Stanford team.
So the bottom two teams are worse then last years bottom teams. Here is the reality, Mikes opinion is no better then anyone else, so why worry.
He's right about the bottom two teams in the MWC. New Mexico and San Diego State are truly abysmal. UNLV has the talent, but seemed to have quit in the last two games. They barely lost to a Oregon State, that beat a very good Stanford team.
So the bottom two teams are worse then last years bottom teams. Here is the reality, Mikes opinion is no better then anyone else, so why worry.
re: right on | 1:09 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Boise beat Oregon 19-8 in one of the most boring and weird games I have ever
seen, neither team looked impressive and Oregon looked nothing like the team we
have all found out they really are, how does that constitute a rout? Plus, the
Utah and oregon game was a one touchdown game with Utah having a chance to tie
the game and then we all know how that played out...Cain interception. So in
your world that is being thumped? Boise is so overrated it is sick. They
schedule one good team every year, just one, and then play in the worst
conference, the WAC. Boise St?...Please
Lance | 1:10 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
If the Mountain West is taking the BCS seriously, they need to do what they can
to bring Boise St into the conference.
Say what you want about Boise, but they are one of two teams to bust the BCS, and don't think that the BCS has forgotten about them.
This year they will go undefeated. The only team now that stands in their way of another BCS berth is TCU, and that is only because the MWC has two other good teams, whereas the WAC has 0.
Oregon is great this year...don't know what games you guys have been watching. It was a great win for Boise.
And the Utes have and (seemingly) always will play to the level of their competition. Not very good against mediocre teams, and pretty solid against good teams. But Terrence Cain is the key to that team, and once he is truly comfortable, they will roll.
The Mountain West will be competitive again this year, but only with BYU, TCU, and Utah. If Boise was in there too, we'd be calling them the "big 4" not the "big 3."
Say what you want about Boise, but they are one of two teams to bust the BCS, and don't think that the BCS has forgotten about them.
This year they will go undefeated. The only team now that stands in their way of another BCS berth is TCU, and that is only because the MWC has two other good teams, whereas the WAC has 0.
Oregon is great this year...don't know what games you guys have been watching. It was a great win for Boise.
And the Utes have and (seemingly) always will play to the level of their competition. Not very good against mediocre teams, and pretty solid against good teams. But Terrence Cain is the key to that team, and once he is truly comfortable, they will roll.
The Mountain West will be competitive again this year, but only with BYU, TCU, and Utah. If Boise was in there too, we'd be calling them the "big 4" not the "big 3."
RE: UteFan | 10:15 p.m. | 2:01 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
"MWC does stink. If not for the Mighty Utes, there would not be a really
good team in the conference. Utes go to BCS games and the other teams like byu,
new mexico, wyoming, UNLV go to lesser bowls. We need to bring in some good
football trams to compete with Utah and get rid of some of the lame ducks.
cougs, you owe your ranking to Utah and its dominate play that has brought attention to the MWC. Without Utah, the MWC would be less than the WAC."
You know, Utefan, they've got medication for that now. Aside from 2004 and 2008, the Utes have been a so-so football program, good to mediocre since the '90s. You've no more carried the MWC than San Diego State or Wyoming.
Reality check: The UTES owe THEIR reputation to the rest and best of the MWC. Never heard of "football trams," but were the Utes in, say, the Big 12, they'd be lucky to get to ANY bowl game most years. Those who actually know their college football, those who can write legible sentences, and SANE Utah fans all recognize that.
cougs, you owe your ranking to Utah and its dominate play that has brought attention to the MWC. Without Utah, the MWC would be less than the WAC."
You know, Utefan, they've got medication for that now. Aside from 2004 and 2008, the Utes have been a so-so football program, good to mediocre since the '90s. You've no more carried the MWC than San Diego State or Wyoming.
Reality check: The UTES owe THEIR reputation to the rest and best of the MWC. Never heard of "football trams," but were the Utes in, say, the Big 12, they'd be lucky to get to ANY bowl game most years. Those who actually know their college football, those who can write legible sentences, and SANE Utah fans all recognize that.
re: UteFan 11:02 | 2:01 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Thanks for the LAUGH! "BSU plays most of their schedule against teams that
could barely compete with 8 man high school football squads" I like where
your head's at. Some of those schools are really bad.
SJ Bobkins | 2:24 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
I couldn't agree mor. All the talk about the unfairness in the BCS and
non-BCS leagues isn't going to help the MWC find equality. When others look
at the conference they have positive things to say about the top three, and off
and on good comments on the mid level CSU, and Air Force. But the MWC is pulled
down by the have nots that haven't the support base, the facilities, nor
the money to be competitive. What has to happen to get the better teams into the
BCS, into BETTER bowls, and on the tube, is the dumping of the poorer teams? The
MWC can stand pat and be "nice" to the bitter 5, but doing so prevents
the teams from scheduling BCS teams, and playing for the Nat'l
Championship. Consider the power a league composed of BYU, Utah, TCU, CSU
(although a loss to I-da-hoo, has them on probation) Boise, Fresno, Tulsa,
Houston, Air Force. After losing the mushroom network and going to ESPN so the
country knows these teams exist, having a large market where the league team is
the top college draw (Houston), BCS is a lock.
Admit it this article stinks | 4:31 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
This is a cup half empty type of article let’s look at the other side of
the class.
The MWC has three legitimate top 25 teams who any given week can beat a top 10 opponent. Go back 30 years in the MWC and the WAC and you will not find three teams this good. When BYU had their run they were the only team and the year that Utah went to the Fiesta bowl there was nobody else to compete with.
The big three get national props all the time, this has been earned on the field. BYU 3 ten win seasons, victory over OK. Utah Sugar Bowl win. TCU consistent victories, great defenses and win over BSU.
People do not seem to remember what it was like when the Holiday Bowl was as good as it could get and there was ZERO possibility of going to a New Year’s Day Bowl. We are living in a great time for BYU/Utah Football.
The MWC has three legitimate top 25 teams who any given week can beat a top 10 opponent. Go back 30 years in the MWC and the WAC and you will not find three teams this good. When BYU had their run they were the only team and the year that Utah went to the Fiesta bowl there was nobody else to compete with.
The big three get national props all the time, this has been earned on the field. BYU 3 ten win seasons, victory over OK. Utah Sugar Bowl win. TCU consistent victories, great defenses and win over BSU.
People do not seem to remember what it was like when the Holiday Bowl was as good as it could get and there was ZERO possibility of going to a New Year’s Day Bowl. We are living in a great time for BYU/Utah Football.
SEC Saint | 4:56 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Sorenson's article is right: BYU, Utah, and TCU are good, not great teams.
At best the remaining teams are decent, not good.
Several teams from the MWC may be rated at the end of the season, but that is more a reflection of the strength of schedule.
Oklahoma was a good win, but of the marquis BCS schools has taken the big hit more than any other. Oklahoma, like Notre Dame, gets way too much love prior to winning tough games.
And to this years Gordon Monson: Just because MSU and Vanderbilt are weak doesn't mean any of the top three MWC teams would top the .500 mark in the SEC.
Quality is more important than quantity.
Several teams from the MWC may be rated at the end of the season, but that is more a reflection of the strength of schedule.
Oklahoma was a good win, but of the marquis BCS schools has taken the big hit more than any other. Oklahoma, like Notre Dame, gets way too much love prior to winning tough games.
And to this years Gordon Monson: Just because MSU and Vanderbilt are weak doesn't mean any of the top three MWC teams would top the .500 mark in the SEC.
Quality is more important than quantity.
TopFrog | 6:32 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Utah columnists stink. Most negative, arrogant lot anywhere. Switch BYU and TCU
and what are the odds this same article is written? Zero. We'd hear how
great BYU is.
EuroCoug | 7:19 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
What's with the self-loathing in the Rocky Mountains? Fans and media in the
other conferences are constantly trumpeting the power of their programs, even if
it's not true. In the Mountain West, the fans and media are always talking
apocalyptic, even if it's not true.
Harold | 7:33 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
BUY can't be just good. They have a senior quarterback.
Hatchet Job | 7:57 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
The real story here is Utah, by comparison to last season, stinks. So a Utah fan
writes a hatchet job on the entire MWC just to make himself feel better about
how lousy Utah is this season.
TCU is doing great. A close win over Air Force on an icy field, yes, but didn't Utah need a late game comeback to beat Air Force in Colorado Springs last season. And the Frogs' OOC foes have been much stronger than that pathetic Michigan team Utah beat.
BYU has a HUGE win over a team that played in the NC game just last January, a team that has lost 2 games by a total of 2 points to 2 Top 20 teams, but Mr. Utah Homer has written that game off as meaningless. Sure, BYU laid an egg against FSU, but any objective football analyst can see that this season's BYU team is MUCH BETTER than last year's team.
Air Force, CSU and Wyoming are better.
NM, SDSU and UNLV are worse.
Two of the top three are better, one is worse, but since Sorensen is a Utah fan, the whole MWC stinks, because his team stinks.
TCU is doing great. A close win over Air Force on an icy field, yes, but didn't Utah need a late game comeback to beat Air Force in Colorado Springs last season. And the Frogs' OOC foes have been much stronger than that pathetic Michigan team Utah beat.
BYU has a HUGE win over a team that played in the NC game just last January, a team that has lost 2 games by a total of 2 points to 2 Top 20 teams, but Mr. Utah Homer has written that game off as meaningless. Sure, BYU laid an egg against FSU, but any objective football analyst can see that this season's BYU team is MUCH BETTER than last year's team.
Air Force, CSU and Wyoming are better.
NM, SDSU and UNLV are worse.
Two of the top three are better, one is worse, but since Sorensen is a Utah fan, the whole MWC stinks, because his team stinks.
trueblue | 8:07 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Oh baby ! I hope the cougars lay a serious beat down on the Utes in Provo this
year. Some of the Ute fans on these boards are so delusional it's pethetic.
When the cougars win out and win another conference championship it will be
three of the last four and two conference losses in the last three years !
"Gulp" it could happen !
re: UteFan | 8:11 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Big brothers have learned to simply ignore little brothers when they start
sticking out their tongues and calling their big brother names because big
brother knows that a simple scowl at little brother will send him screaming to
mommy to "save me."
BYU fans would be wise to simply ignore all of the mindless blather from this particular little brother.
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Much to Sorensen's chagrin, Boise State will lose to Tulsa this Wednesday opening the door for the winner of the BYU/TCU game to be the non-AQ BCS representative this season. This, of course, will be a disappointment to Mike because it will steal the limelight from his beloved Utes.
BYU fans would be wise to simply ignore all of the mindless blather from this particular little brother.
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Much to Sorensen's chagrin, Boise State will lose to Tulsa this Wednesday opening the door for the winner of the BYU/TCU game to be the non-AQ BCS representative this season. This, of course, will be a disappointment to Mike because it will steal the limelight from his beloved Utes.
KC | 8:17 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Your description of the MWC fits nearly every BCS conference: a few good teams,
a few decent teams, and a few lousy teams. What the MWC lacks is one powerhouse
team. (Last year, that was Utah.) That team could have been BYU had they
prepared (and we're talking about any preparation at all - shame on you
Cougars) for FSU.
Don't need BSU | 8:18 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Boise State is much better off playing in the WAC where they can continue to be
the one pony show.
The MWC doesn't need the fratricide of a "big four" beating up on each other and ensuring that the MWC champion always finishes with one or two losses.
Instead of seeing the MWC as much stronger, the BCS elitists would just use this as "proof" that the top teams in the MWC are weaker.
The MWC doesn't need the fratricide of a "big four" beating up on each other and ensuring that the MWC champion always finishes with one or two losses.
Instead of seeing the MWC as much stronger, the BCS elitists would just use this as "proof" that the top teams in the MWC are weaker.
trueblue | 8:28 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
something you people fail to realize is, You can't invite teams like Boise
State in to the MWC because it has a good football team. When you consider all
of the University's athletic programs comparing BSU to top programs in the
MWC is a Joke. They would compare to say Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV etc...
Another thing to remember is, Tradition. There are so many things that go into
college atheletics that a lot of you people don't realize. You think that
college atheletics is the football team of that University. Would You consider
Duke a great atheletic University ? Oh, they have a great mens basketball
program they must be good at everything else. If the top teams in the MWC
played those guys in football each year, it would be a crushing defeat for the
Dukey's year after year.
The point is, Pull your heads from the sand People and realize that you need Universitys in the conference that support all of their atheletic programs. It amazes me that San Diego State still has a football program. All the teams in the MWC are in the conference because its the best they can do !
The point is, Pull your heads from the sand People and realize that you need Universitys in the conference that support all of their atheletic programs. It amazes me that San Diego State still has a football program. All the teams in the MWC are in the conference because its the best they can do !
Dutchman | 8:30 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Admit it, all of college football is down this year. I have wasted my past few
saturdays watching pathetic football from the college ranks. Last saturday
mighty LSU scores 3 points at home, Ole Miss scores 3 pts at home, Florida
scores 13 and Alabama scores 22. All from the mighty SEC. The Big 12 is way
down except maybe Texas. The Big 10 has maybe 2 decent teams not great teams
and the PAC 10 is so even any body can beat any body and none are great. So,
where are the really great teams? I will let the rest of the season play out
and maybe at the end a few will be identified but right now there aren't
any.
re: Dutchman | 8:56 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
It's seasons like this that scream for a playoff. With no truly dominant
teams, this is the kind of season that would be much more exciting if we had a
16-team playoff to decide the national champion.
Shecky | 9:05 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
You people really need to get a life!
The Truth | 9:18 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Finally, a Utah reporter who is actually sane and not root root rooting for the
home teams? This kind of reporting will do more to educate the fans in the
state of Utah than any article I've ever seen in the Des news. No matter
what you think, this story is pretty accurate. The MWC is bad and none of the
top 3 would win any of the BCS conferences. As for Boise, if they played in a
good conference week in and week out or even the MWC, things wouldn't be so
easy for them. The mere fact that they scheduled UC Davis and had to score a
late touchdown to win 34-16 permits everyone to vote them lower than their
record would indicate and it is nobody's fault but their own for not
scheduling strong non-conference teams and that is....THE TRUTH
It'll stink even worse | 9:18 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
If Utah pulls a repeat of 2007 in Las Vegas this Saturday!
Jealous BYU fans | 9:43 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Boise State, Hawaii, and Utah (twice) have crashed the BCS.
BYU talks big, but show it on the field! Until you play in a BCS bowl game, you are all just a bunch of whiney, wannabes, who are living in the past. 1984 was a long time ago...
BYU talks big, but show it on the field! Until you play in a BCS bowl game, you are all just a bunch of whiney, wannabes, who are living in the past. 1984 was a long time ago...
Randall | 9:46 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
Mountain Worst Conferrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrce.
re: Shecky | 9:47 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
"Get a life" advice from a 20-something who sleeps on his
parent's couch in the basement?
Re: re: UteFan | 11:02 p.m | 9:56 a.m. Oct. 12, 2009
What is proving to be a lucky win over Oklahoma and the rest of BYU's OOC
schedule is II-D caliber. I don't understand what you guys think you have
accomplished.
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