Huh. That's weird. How then do the conspiracy theorists explain the pleothora of
MWC games I've seen on ESPN 360, including BYU's romp of Tulane and TCU's win
over Clemson?Perhaps ESPN 360 won't show any conference games.
Perhaps that may represent material more conspiritorial then ESPN not showing
BYU's score on on the byline....
uh.....I, er, am trying to care about this, but just can't get there and that
Y'all made your bed.Y'all were the ones who signed the bright and
shiny deal with the new shiny TV network.Y'all were the ones
thumbing your noses and telling everyone you were the wave of the future.Y'all were the ones who were thumping your chests and spouting "we don't
need no stinking ESPN".Y'all were smarter than everybody else in the
room.Y'all were the ones telling everyone who would listen that you
guys were going to blaze your way into the future and telling ESPN where to jump
off.Well, y'all made your bed, now sleep in it.Quit
acting all upset and shocked that an institution that y'all chose to diss in a
major way has chosen not to cover you. There was nothing subtle or
deceptive about your divorce from ESPN. ESPN is not the government.
They do not "have to" play fair. The MWC made a bad business
decision, and now y'all are regretting the consequences. Y'all made
your bed. Either sleep in it or crawl back to ESPN and beg to be let back in.
The whining is getting old.
Slow news day?
This article is 100% true, I have noticed the exact same thing. It's not that
they legally can't do what they are, it's that they don't report evenly. The
Mountian West always gets less airtime, and when you watch the "top 10" or "top
20" highlights of the week, MOST (but not all) MWC teams are left out, with no
mention. Where is the loyal Steve Young, come on Steve, back us up when we need
you. Stop the unfair bias that is ESPN and maybe BYU and TCU and Utah (if they
win) will go up in the polls. Look at what happened when BYU won on ESPN. They
were bounced to the top 6. Then they win on The Mountian, and there is no
mention on ESPN, and they DROP in the polls. Rankings are all about the
publicity the team gets when they win. Voters vote on what they see in the
highlights Saturday night on ESPN, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
that out. Come on people, Exposure translates into rankings, rankings translate
into big money bowls. By ESPN not showing any highlights, they are stealing
MILLIONS from the MWC.
the good news is that everyone sees us on the mtn!
Scott -Perhaps you can answer this question about football
broadcasts?Why at any level of football whether it is college, pro,
the Mountain, or ESPN can't they display the down and distance with any degree
of consistency?Sometimes the down and distance is displayed only
seconds before the next play starts. Sometimes it doesn't get displayed at
all.In the inner workings of a football broadcast booth you would
think that someone could be assigned to just down and distance, and that it
could be displayed at least ten to fifteen seconds before the next play.Comment, Scott?
espn and the bcs et al...why do they have high school football on espn?
conspiracy? i think so.
After BYU beat Oklahoma they got all kinds of love from the networks, when
they lost to a weak Florida State team it all went the other way, what is so
exciting about a team that can consistenlty beat mediocre teams and chokes in
the big games (Oklahoma excluded)? Pub is earned
The gov't is fair?
What is so inherently bad about playing on a Wednesday night? Boise and Tulsa
both have byes the week before the Wednesday night game, so in essence all this
does it gives them a chance to break the bye week in half. You get extra time
to prep for the Wednesday night game, then extra time to prep for the game the
following week. Plus, you are the only game on TV Wednesday night, so the
entire nation gets to see you and only you if they want to watch football.
Remind me again what is so bad about that?
utah state is in the WAC so according to your theory they should have posted the
What's so bad about playing on a Wednesday?I'll tell you what's
wrong:#1. It gives you THREE days (one of them being a Sunday) to
prepare for your opponent. Football players take the next day--if not
two--following a game off due to the pounding they take during a game. Scouting
your future opponents and training your players is a huge part of
preparation.#2. Throws off school week. Playing on a Wednesday
night prevents many students/boosters/fans from being able to attend. It also
gets players who must travel for the game off their week.#3. Yes,
it's a deal with ESPN, but they also lose viewers due to the bizarre
Because NO ONE in the entire nation wants to watch football on a Wednesday
night. There is a reason why college football is played on Saturday. All of the
"big" conferences play their games on ESPN/ABC, CBS, and NBC (Notre Dame) on
Saturdays. They also have the spotlight Thursday night game on ESPN. This is how
they get the exposure. Not by playing on Wednesday nights when the commentators
are more worried about the upcoming weekend's games than the game they are
supposed to be broadcasting. College Football was made for Saturdays because its
fans have nothing else to do on that day, other than watch football. People have
stuff to do on Wednesday nights. Playing on Wednesdays - and most weekdays for
that matter - hurts attendance at the games and the amount of people who CHOOSE
to watch. Let's not forget people, ESPN was offering the Mountain West LESS
money than their PREVIOUS TV contract. CSTV offered us TWICE as much money as
ESPN did!!!!! ESPN wanted us to play these ridiculous weekday games and they
were NEVER going to put us on their holy network on Saturdays. CSTV gaves us
what we wanted. End of Story.
Obviously it was a big mistake made by all athletic directors to sign with the
crappy MTW channel. If you ask any Utah or BYU fan they tell you they rather
watch their teams on ESPN than on MTW channel. How can we expect ESPN to support
us when we are using other network for the conference games ?. Just look at the
publicity Boise State is getting through ESPN, they talk about them like they
are one of the best teams in the nation, when we all know they are probably the
most overrated team playing in a crappy conference. TCU, UTAH and BYU
should break away from this conference or make a new one and get back our games
on a real network like ESPN.
yeah, this whole I don't want to play on Thursday crap that I heard 5 years ago
hasn't changed. The MWC conference still has Thursday games. It's just now,
instead of playing on ESPN, they play on one of four mickey mouse channels, that
of which you never know which one. Sure, I can find it, but the rest of the
world without a vested interest can't. Plus, college football fans that don't
seek out MWC information, rarely have a reason to care about it. It's true, the
MWC has themselves to blame for their amateur conference channel. I forget, is
it CSTV, CBS sports sister, versus, or the mountain. We would be better off on
the QVC. I told everybody I knew five years ago that this conference TV idea
would sink the MWC. Utah forced attention by going undefeated but the old WAC
had more opportunity for the unbeaten. It's just it never happened outside of
the 1984 season. The landscape of college football (bowl matchups/BSC) was much
different then. However, speaking of the old WAC, Utah went 10-2 in 1994 and
finished 8th. 2 losses now destroys.
Playing Wednesday, Thursday and Friday nights has delivered Boise State to the
rest of the nation on ESPN with very little viewer competition. As a result
people all over the country have become Boise State fans. An instant look at the
TV screen and seeing blue says "Boise State" everywhere.It may have
not been intended, and there are those that bad mouth the color, but the blue
has turned out to be one of the best marketing strategies in college football.
It would cost millions and millions to make an intermountain team to otherwise
be so identifiable around the country.Games during the week expose
the blue and help directly with recruiting because players' parents from around
the country get to see their kids play. Result... good players from around the
US with great name recognition. It works!
Sounds like Boise is sitting at the "kids table" by allowing themselves to play
on a Wednesday.
I thought BYU got more hype from ESPN than they diserved at the first of the
year; so I don't buy in on your article.The MNT channel,in my opinion,is a
bottom shelf channel. Even their advertisers are bottom shelf.If any
executive of an ordinery business. made as foolish of a mistake as opting for
the MNT channel, they would have been fired! This channel is not helping the
The reason the Tulane/BYU game and TCU/Clemson game were on ESPN 360 is because
ESPN has a contract with the other two schools to show their home games. If
these games were at BYU or TCU, it would not have been on ESPN. Look on the ESPN website - they only post the scores (on their main scoreboard
webpage) ot those conferences with which they have contracts. No home MWC
scores, or scores between MWC teams playing each other, are shown anywhere other
than the specific MWC webpage.
I almost forgot. does anyone have trouble with sea sickess while watching the
camera work on the MNT CHANNEL?
The college athletic scene in the great state of Utah needs a good P.R. man. I
don't think it will be you Scott!
I cannot believe the MWC thought the MTN was a good idea... Whoever thought of
that should be fired and give their salary back, let me get this staright... BYU
wants a BCS game and we break contract with ESPN??? So lets take away any
national coverage so we can have our own terrible network with the worst camera
angles and announcers possible??? Good one MWC, if I were on ESPN I wouldnt care
about the MWC either, the MTN and VERSES is a joke... BYU needs to get out of
the MWC or get rid of these loser teams and pull in Boise State, Fresno State
whom is normally good and 1 more. Get rid of Wyoming, SDSU and UNLV, who cares
about bball, I want a better conference for BCS!!!
If anything will get done when it comes to the tv networks covering BYU or Utah
then the Cougar Club and the Crimson Club members need to step up. Just threaten
to withhold your annual contributions and then see what happens.
ESPN is a business first. It is not mandated by government (or MWC fans) to give
unbiased opinions. ESPN is promoting its business like any other business does
and it can choose what scores it shows on the bottom. You don't see any posters
promoting Whoppers when you're at McDonalds so why do you expect ESPN to promote
the mtn? This isn't news Mr Pierce. This is what you can expect when you abandon
the biggest and best in business and go with a startup.
The Mountain West Conf. began the lunacy by leaving their sweet spot on NATIONAL
TV with ESPN - which loved the Cougars - for the WORST TV NETWORK IN THE COUNTRY
- The "mountain network".Worst announcers, analysts (by far),
picture quality... you name it.The ONLY ones happy with it are the
low end teams like Wyoming and Colorado St. since some local people can watch
them.END THE MOUNTAIN NETWORK NOW!
What a baby this reporter is. Big Deal if ESPN didnt show the score at the
bottom. byu is continuosly overrated in the AP poll showing that some
journalists like them. Just think of last year when byu was ranked wayy
too high all year. They only beat one team with a winning record!! they shouldnt
have even been ranked. then this year, after they lost to FSU they were still
in the top 25 after loosing 3 of the last 5 games! what an overrated joke!
The MTN is a joke guy probably complained when the MWC has 10 pm basketball
games on ESPN and only a handful of football games each year. Did you remember
that ESPN rarely showed an MWC game once October rolled around? Now, as a Utah
fan in North Carolina I can see games all season long! ESPN didn't promote the
league on air when the MWC was with them. I remember watching Sunday NFL and saw
promotion for Big Monday...Yes, MWC was on it every week and yet only the first
two games were highlighted. Let's go back to ESPN and play 6 games a year on
Tuesday-Wednesday. We'll look great with 5,000 people sittig in the stands. Oh
ya, we can buy ESPn gameplan to see another 10 games. Sweet I love paying $150
for 10 games compared to the 50 I get to see now on Directv. I'll gladly pay $12
for three months to see att Mtn game in NC! Go Utes! Go home ESPN lovers and
I'd rather be the only team in the nation with a televised game on a
Thursday/Friday night then be on the Mountain on a Saturday with limited
viewership....what was the Mountain West thinking? I watched the
BYU-USU game. Worst. Coverage. Ever. The MTN coverage is up to par with this
article. Unless you enjoy endless closeups of the sidelines while the game is
being played and a lack of meaningful replays. This article?.....Jeez, I didn't
know whining was news now and days.
ESPN SportsCenter had a nice recap of the game Friday night. I tivo'd it and
watched it back again-it was a thorough summary with BYU highlights.
It is true that ESPN is a business. A corrupt business with way too much power
and influence. Just listen to Dan Patrick talk about his experiences and
disdain for his former employer and you will find out all you need to know about
Summed it up nicely!
Anyone who likes the MTN is either helping pay for that garabage of a network or
doesnt understand college football and the way it works. It appears that is most
likley the same person. BYU does not recieve national attention if they are not
nationally televised, the MTN is national but it is a joke, no one watches it
besides MWC fans... They had Princeton playing college fball last night on ESPU
and we cant even get a highlight on ESPN... What a joke.
Is ESPN biased against the MWC? You're obviously asking a rhetorical question
....... right? I just placed a call into Craig Thompson's office to inquire!
The absolute worse contract in the history of collegiate sports was signed by
that bozo. The Y or any other MWC team get's little if any national attention.
And that falls squarely in Thompson's lap.
That's because the contract is based on the home team and ESPN has contracts
with the ACC and Conference USA. You will never see a MWC game on ESPN 360 or
Scott If, as a employee of a NEWSPAPER, this was really important a subject to
you, you would, as good newsmen do, called ESPN and foun d out what their policy
was concerning the Bottom Line. Just a heads up. One of the people involved with
producing the Bottom Line is a Utah native (Must n0ot be a BYU or USU fan)
maybe ESPN just doesn't like byu - like everyone else who isn't a mormon.I for one appreciate ESPN not reporting byu's score - now if I could
only save up enough money to buy KSL then I could stop them from reporting on
everything about byu....
I've noticed this before. Thanks for pointing it out.
During the Utah-Oregon game, ESPN showed a graphic of Robert Johnson stating
that he was an All-WAC selection in 2008. Ridiculous that ESPN makes that
mistake 10 years after Utah left the WAC. This isn't the first time ESPN has
made the same mistake and I can't really believe that it is unintentional every
I hear too many people say it was such a bad idea for the MWC to create their
own channel and that they did it to not have to play Wednesday, Thursday or even
Tuesday night games. That was only one of the reasons but the MAIN reason was
money (which shouldn't surprise anyone). The MWC got something like 3x what ESPN
was offering to have their own channel. Sure it steams the fans that the
distribution of the channel stinks and the quality of the coverage is poor but I
doubt the conference is regretting their decision considering their wallets are
a lot fatter than they would be with ESPN.
I noticed as well that the ESPN ticker did not include BYU all day Saturday but
I figured it was just because they played the day earlier. Besides, Friday night
the College Football ticker included the BYU/USU score and only had to compete
with one other game that night. So I'd say that was better exposure anyway.
does not report the news. It makes the news as advertising for its own upcoming
events.That said, when BYU or Utah or TCU play on ESPN, they get
plenty of coverage. It's often very positive. Whittingham and Mendenhall on
Jim Rome, discussion of excellent players that helps them be seen as legitimate
NFL pprospects, etc.The MWC told ESPN the conference no longer
wanted to be associated with the network. It's the conference's own fault there
is no better coverage.
Must be your part of the country because in the midwest the score was at the
bottom of the screen all day long espically in the morning because it was the
only finished game.
Where is Steve Young these days. He use to report on the ESPN shows. Now he is
no where to be seen. Maybe because he is from BYU? Perhaps it is because he
would report too much (not true) about BYU? I would love Steve Young to be on
television sport shows, particularly football. ESPN....report about MW
I really wish I liked different teams, being a BYU fan is awful, for many
reasons...This is one.
Everyone is stating what has already been said, people are acting like we hate
ESPN, I get it I know its the MWC fault that is why I am ripping them apart. We
should all praise "ignorant" for being sooo smart on why the MWC did what they
did, thanks for the update?? we all get it, it doesnt change the fact that it
was a stupid move. No more "ignorant" comments please.
I agree with 9:53am above. ESPN is no longer a sports news channel but a
shameless advertisement for their own product. We see BYU all over ESPN prior
to the first couple games of the season (which happen to be on ESPN) and then
everything goes black. Then BYU will be resurrected at season's end in
preparation for its ESPN televised Bowl game. Another notable snub
was Graham Watson's joke of a pre-season preview for independents and Non-AQs.
In a six to ten minute segment she spent almost all the time on Eastern
Carolina, Boise State, Notre Dame and Conf USA, MAC, and WAC teams. She
entirely skipped the MWC and the only mention of any MWC team was one sentence
comparing TCU to Boise state. Call me a homer, but when the MWC had three
ranked teams entering the season and all the other independents and non-AQ's had
one (Boise State), you'd think a near ten minute preview would at least mention
Utah, BYU or the MWC. ESPN is in bed with the BCS and its agenda for college
sports is obvious. I hate the MTN, but I hate ESPN more.
What are you talking about? Of all the games played by MWC teams this year,
there is only one Thursday night game. And that game (USU vs. Utah) was
scheduled for a Thursday night at the request of the University of Utah to
accomodate Labor Day weekend.All other games are on Saturday except
the following:USU@BYU (Friday) - BYU's request for LDS conferenceCSU@CU (Sunday) - This game was not scheduled by the MWC or by the mtn.
It was a road game.Wyoming/CSU (Friday) - Thanksgiving weekendIt seems to me if the MWC dumped ESPN because of non-Saturday games,
they got what they wished for.
Who watches ESPN....total waste of time....bunch of armchair Never been there
before talking smack....And besides who cares whether a bunch of
jerkoff's like us or not......BYU doesn't need the support of a bunch of mormon
Outside of Utah?
Steve has only convered pro football for ESPN, not college, so he wouldn't
comment on BYU anyway. He is currently a regular on their Monday night show
that airs prior to their game that night.
The MTN said - you espn can't broadcast any highlight or score on our MWC
schools - NEVER! Could that result why it is not in there? I don't know and that
is also why those voters has NO CLUE how we did or even played it! Go COUGARS!
As bad as wednesday nights would be to play a game I would debate that the
broadcast would be better than the mountain and as fans the TV experience would
be much better on ESPN. I could stomach one or two games a year on a wednesday
night if it meant we got rid of the mountain and their cheesy half time
reporters and game announcers.
... that college football has morphed into a green eyed dragon bent on making
money. Does anyone watch college football solely for entertainment anymore? All
it seems anyone cares about is being ranked in the polls and how much money they
can make by playing in the most predigous bowl game so they can claim that they
are the best team in the history of the universe if they win. I couldn't care
less if BYU gets into the "national championship" game (decided by a computer
and biased opions of pollsters). I just enjoy watching Harvey bowl over
defenders and Pitta make clutch catches.
D-U-H!Of course ESPN hates the Mtn! Of course ESPN overlooks the MWC
because of their pathetic attempt a creating a competing network! This is not
news! The MWC was crazy to not make deal with the monopoly that is ESPN.
It stinks that ESPN and ABC have cornered the sports broadcasting market, but
that's reality. As a result BYU, Utah and all the rest of the MWC
have almost NO VISIBILITY outside Utah with poll voters or recruits. Plus, we
all get to hear Todd Christensen's supercilious pontifications for four hours
every weekend! :)The crazy thing is they (the MWC) still play plenty
of non-saturday games. I for one think those games are a plus for the programs
because ALMOST NO OTHER GAMES ARE ON and you get more PRIME TIME coverage, at
least for Football. All the Mtn. deal did then was put the MWC in the dark. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
They talked about BYU all the time till they were blown out by unranked FSU. Friday night I couldnt watch the BYU game cause I have Dish, so I
watched the Louisville vs Pitt game. They showed the BYU score throughout the
night and had highlights on Sportscenter that night. If BYU beats
TCU they will be talked about again, untill then the national media could care
less about games against UNLV and SDSU and USU.
Here's another problem with Wednesday night games: isn't college football about
the players? There wouldn't be games if there weren't players. Why inconvenience
them the most? They really would be the ones most inconvenienced, not fans. It
really does not make sense to cause the players (and coaches) to have such a
drastic change in schedule. Remember these guys are students first, athletes
second. Don't take away the importance of academics by just focusing on the
WHO CARES IF THEY DON'T SHOW A SCORE!Talk about the game, not the TV.
To who cares? If you don't care, why are posting antyhing at all, let alone
reading the story.The real test will be to see if they post the
Nebraska Missouri Score over the weekend.
Pet Peeve: people who write "loosing" when they mean "losing".ESPN
may be a business, but so are GE and Wal-Mart and Exxon. We demand fairness
from all of them.College football rankings ought to be fair if that
is the system by which teams reach the post-season prizes of the lucrative bowl
games or the national championship.
This has been going on since we flew the ESPN coop. Are you just figuring it
The MWC needs a new commissioner. Did you know there is a BYU graduate who
works in the Pac-10? He is a friend of mine and would be a great commissioner.
The best thing is he thinks that Utah and BYU should be a featured rivalry
nationwide and that both programs should be getting more publicity.
BYU had their chance at national prominance last year when they beat UCLA and
this year when they beat Oklahoma. The MW is getting good respect when it's
teams get placed so high in the rankings, they just have to hang on to it. Now
the MW has a chance to "beat up" on each other like the other big conferences
and knock each other out of the BCS. I saw plenty of ESPN commentators promoting
BYU when they beat Oklahoma so it's not really an issue for ESPN. Can the MW
keep the respect it builds. Can anyone really do worse than Ohio State did in
it's two championship blowouts? Does anyone have any figures on revenues
generated by all conferences before and after BCS money? I think you'd find
non-aq schools pretty low on that list, so why should they get a piece of what
they don't contribute to? It's a buisness, not high school. If MW alumni
actually spent $$, they could buy their way in.
Someone mentioned that the teams only get 3 days to prepare.............BSU get
10 days on both sides of the game. So it is kind of a built in bye. Yes, its
Wednesday, but they will be the only CFB on so it will work out pretty good for
"Voters vote on what they see in the highlights Saturday night on ESPN,"That might be the dumbest statement ever written.
Hey "y'all" ! I'm a BYU fan but, you are correctamundo! (did I spell that
right?) To me, there's no doubt that ESPN has an anti-BYU mentality. Last week
Herbstreet made a comment about BYU saying Fl St was sick and tired of hearing
about them and that they knew they had the superior atheletes, but, after he
said this both Herbstreet and Fowler started laughing. This week Fowler made a
comment about BYU saying that no one thought Fl St could beat BYU, right after
saying this both Fowler and Herbstreet start to laugh again.I couldn'd
believe what I saw, they literally started to laugh. Now, it wasnt' a raucous
out loud laugh but, sort of a, "cover it up", type of laugh. Anyway I do think a
lot of people are tired of the BYU fan's whining, as I am. - Ed