Reader comments
Witnesses deny beating their neighbor

39 comments   |   Read story

Anonymous | 2:29 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
I thought the mother took the kids with her when she was there - so if the defense was to get the kids out of the house and get them safe - that really doesn't fly. - Does it?
Anonymous | 2:35 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Latu admits she "went ballistic," slapped Bell, screamed and swore at him, and marched out with the children

"It was kind of fuzzy that night," Peace said. "In my mind, I'm thinking to rescue my kids."

Mageo said he was busy playing poker at a table outside his house and paid little attention to Bell until Latu returned with the children and was so upset.

"My thing was to get my kids out of the house," he said.


She already had the kids! These guys are full of it. They are burning themselves with their statements in y opinion.
thin prosecution | 2:43 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
the prosecutions house of cards is quickly falling down.
Their witnesses are all taking the 5th.
Comments continue below
What were they thinking | 3:13 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
You just don't bring children inside your home like that. If u know who they are, you take them home. If you don't, you sit outside with them until you can find the parents, or have your mate call the police. The charges sound warranted from the story though if there was a beating without need there ought to be charges the other way as well. We can't be judge, jury, and executioner. (Though I could understand the rage I would have of finding my children gone from my home and in the bedroom of an adult neighbor) Still doesn't make the beating right.
Mike | 3:41 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
At least some of these guys are obviously lying -- Bell did not beat himself silly. After this trial is over, there should be (and probably will be) charges against the folks who beat Bell up.

That said, Bell had no right to take those children inside his house or bedroom. If he was truly worried they were being neglected, he should call the cops. Not take the kids in his bedroom. I hope he is convicted.
Victims | 3:48 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
If the victims of these beatings have identified the men who are responsible, it doesn't matter how many times these guys claim they "don't recall" or plead the fifth. They have been identified by the victims and need to be charged. It is never acceptable to inflict bodily harm to anyone (unless self-defense or protecting someone else's life) and if that is their story, they need to prove that they feared immediate danger to their children at the moment of the beatings. Since they won't even admit to being in the house, that seems to cancel out that excuse. They beat these guys up - plain and simple - and need to serve time. May justice truly be served.
Good neighbors don't call cops | 4:38 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
The cops may have been helpful, but possibly arrested members of the Latu family, perhaps even contacted DCFS and taken the children into state custody. (Is Bell being prosecuted because donut-burners weren't called in to exacerbate the chaos?)

Sounds like Bell was just trying to comfort some children made uncomfortable by the wild adult partiers next door, not take them away from their parents.

Many adults praise young children to make them comfortable by telling them they're beautiful, not to recruit them into a sex act.

This prosecution is an abomination.
Victimized Good Samaritans | 5:22 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
What a disasterous mess from the very beginning. Earlier accounts were clear they broke through a glass door, dragged Bell out by his hair and beat him nearly to death on a cement pad, including nearly cutting a toe off with glass and other lacerations. They also went into the house and attacked his partner, including clobbering him over the head with a television set.

Imagine children wandering around in the early hours wanting to sleep, but unable due to the partying and parents completely oblivious to where there children are to be found. When she sobers up, then she is concerned and ungrateful that someone helped her children when she is too drunk to care.

Gays & Lesbians should never, ever, EVER allow children into their home without the parent present. Helping a child is nothing worth putting your life, liberty, career, relationship and everything you have ever worked to build at risk, and here is a clear example of how it can happen.

Bell could have handled it better, no doubt, but doesn't deserve to be attacked, for trying to help another.

to many questions | 5:50 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
There are just too many questions with this whole thing.
The only really obvious crime, was the beating of Bell and his partner which the police and prosecutor have done nothing about.
Not too many people are going to have sympathy for the family, that was drinking into the wee hours of the morning when they should have been taking care of their kids.
It seems that numerous people at the party have a criminal history.
The father says he drank between 12-20 beers.
So he was so drunk the he can not remember how many?
all this is going on while they have a 2 and 4 year old that they should be taking care of.
Hey if you want to party get a babysitter.
And Mr Bell should be put in jail for the rest of his life over this?
Anonymous | 6:09 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Give me a break. Homosexuals claiming they're victims again. Why in the world do you comfort a child in your BEDROOM? Was it a studio apt or were there other options, say like the living room, kitchen or front portch?
What a Mess | 8:14 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
I am glad I am not the one who has to sort this all out.

As a parent, if I found out that a neighbor had taken my child into their house without my permission, I would have kicked down the door and drug the people out in the street as well. There is no excuse for bringing a child that isn't yours into your home without permission. There are also way too many iffy statements from Bell to really believe he was just trying to comfort the children.

On the flip side, I have seen the "fuzzy" attitude before, which suggests that the family knows they went too far, and they are trying to hide something as well.

I will be curious to hear how this all turns out, and again, I am grateful to not have to be in the middle of it.
Anonymous | 8:32 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
Shame on the South Salt Lake police and the District Attorney's Office for not arresting the thugs that were involved in this violence. Talk about selective enforcement of the laws!
The Question | 8:40 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
The question still hasn't been answered. Why did he have these kids in his BEDROOM? Not just in his house but his bedroom. If you can't figure it out for yourselves then your crazy.
K | 8:42 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
To "Victimized Good Samaritan":

I think you have the most level head of any of these comments on this article. Like you, I can really see the fault in both sides. I also think there's a lot that people are not telling.

(Although I cannot believe these folks "do not remember" beating up this man.)
Travesty of Justice | 8:47 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
"Those who support Bell's neighbors say this is not a hate crime aimed at a gay man, but a case where worried relatives wanted to protect young children".

The mother of the children had already gotten the children out of the house, so how was this beating related to protecting children?

The children, unsupervised wandered over to the neighboor home and they let them stay there, this is kidnapping?

Given the loud party taking place, it isn't unreasonable to let the kids have a quieter place to stay.

The neighboors should be charged with breaking and entering, I would sue them civily also. They would have been shot had they done this at my house.
Anonymous | 8:51 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
I've had kids come over to my house, to play with my kids, I 've just let them in.

Were their parent to come over and start bashing heads, the would be shot.
@What a mess | 9:02 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
You say "As a parent, if I found out that a neighbor had taken my child into their house ... "

But as a parent, would you have first engaged in a loud, drunken party with outdoor gambling/poker playing...and allowing your children to wander around outside?

wow! | 9:08 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
six oclock in the morning? sixteen to twenty beers? poker outside(in the open)? children in bedroom? beating people nearly to death? sound like nice neighborhood? NOT!!!!!!!!!!! tax dollors down the drain? YUP!!!!!!!!!
Gee | 10:14 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
That is the first place I take stray neighbor kids--straight to my bedroom!!

Ludicrous!!

Regardless you can't beat people up.

My guess though is that alot of things were probably "hazy" that night given the fact that ALL these people sound like a bunch of drug-dealing partying drunks.

Does this really surprise anyone?

Talk about the lowest common denominators of society.

Stuff like this does not happen in my neighborhood--how about yours?
Fredd | 12:26 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
He claims he didn't take the kids in his bedroom. Learn how to read.
BURGLARY!!! | 12:40 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
Children wandering outside? Where did you people get this information? I highly doubt he'd be charged with BURGLARY and kidnapping if the kids were just out on the street. Burglary means he went in to the home... which means he took the children from their home. The only reason to take a child from their home is if they are in danger and that means you call the police immediately. Not comfort them in your bedroom with another adult male lying on the bed.
What the.... | 1:04 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
Drunk parents, wandering children, gay people with kids in the bedroom telling them "they are beautiful"...Wow, what a neighborhood!!
Definitely not hate crime | 1:10 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
If it was a straight guy and his girlfriend and he'd taken the kids into his bedroom, it'd probably happen the same way. You just can't take kids into your house without the risk of an accusation, and when you combine that with alcohol and high emotions, you're going to have problems, straight or gay.
Anonymous | 1:11 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
"The detective in the case says he believes that Bell went into the Latu home to use the bathroom, illegally took two children from the Latu living room through the back door, got them over a small chain link fence, and took them to his house."

-- wow, that's a LOT for someone to do with two small kids in tow -out of a house with lots of people, through the back door and over a fence??? right. The detectives bias is showing!!
You are stupid | 1:20 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
RE: Anonymous @ 2:29 p.m.

"I thought the mother took the kids with her when she was there - so if the defense was to get the kids out of the house and get them safe - that really doesn't fly. - Does it?"

Defense? Those people are NOT on trial so they aren't giving a defense of anything instead they are the ones testifying against the criminal activity of Bell and explaining what happened. Bell's defense doesn't hold any weight since he NEVER explains how two children end up in his home without permission of the parents and instead wants us to believe that instead of a) taking the children home when he found them or b) calling the police to report to children be left to walk around the neighborhood (no other neighbors are testifying that they also saw the children walking around) he chooses c) to take the children into his home to allow them to sleep at his house.

Give me a damn break. If I found two little children walking around my neighborhood at that time of night I would call the police and wait for them on the porch.
Fredd | 1:21 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
He claims they were wandering around the street. Are you going to believe people who drink 12-20 beers and lose their children?
You are stupid | 1:28 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
Anonymous | 2:35 p.m.

"It was kind of fuzzy that night," Peace said. "In my mind, I'm thinking to rescue my kids.

Mageo said he was busy playing poker at a table outside his house and paid little attention to Bell until Latu returned with the children and was so upset.

"My thing was to get my kids out of the house," he said.

She already had the kids! These guys are full of it. They are burning themselves with their statements in my opinion."

This is consistent with what Latu claims happened. She told those at the party that the neighbors had their children. In her mind it would have been past tense but for Pearce and others who did not see the children with her it would be seen as present tense.

You are assuming that a) these people were sober, b) that there was no miscommunication, and c) that they were in a state of mind allowing them to rationally think it through.

You give Bell the benefit of the doubt but you don't give those who just learned that a) their kids were in someone else house the same benefit.
Burden of proof isn't on defense | 1:34 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
Victims | 3:48 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009

"If the victims of these beatings have identified the men who are responsible, it doesn't matter how many times these guys claim they "don't recall" or plead the fifth. They have been identified by the victims and need to be charged."

The alleged victim committed a crime therefore their testimony is not sufficient to charge them with any crime. The prosecutor would lose the case based on the fact that their defense attorney would simply have to point out that they thought that the children were in the house and the prosecutor would have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that they ALL saw the children safe before reacting.

"It is never acceptable to inflict bodily harm to anyone (unless self-defense or protecting someone else's life) and if that is their story, they need to prove that they feared immediate danger to their children at the moment of the beatings."

They DON'T need to prove anything. Take a law class moron before opening your mouth. The Prosecutor would need to prove that NONE of them thought the children were still in the house.

Idiot!!!
To a moron | 2:00 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
Anonymous | 8:51 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
I've had kids come over to my house, to play with my kids, I 've just let them in.

Were their parent to come over and start bashing heads, the would be shot."

Then you would be charged with kidnapping and murder and if the parents lived they wouldn't because it is considered a citizens arrest for them and others to retrieve their children and use whatever force short of deadly force they deem necessary to restrain you until police arrive or they are able to take you to the nearest police officer. If you brought out a gun as they are trying to apprehend you then they would legally have a right to use deadly force against you so I dare you to do something like that.

You have no more right to claim that the children came over voluntarily or that you were keeping them safe while their parents partied or slept then a pedophile has that right. If you don't have their parents permission then you have LEGALLY kidnapped them. Understand? Or are you stupid?
Drinking is not illegal | 2:07 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
RE:@What a mess

"But as a parent, would you have first engaged in a loud, drunken party with outdoor gambling/poker playing...and allowing your children to wander around outside?"

It doesn't matter. It is NOT illegal for people to drink on their property or to leave their children in bed sleeping while they do so anymore than it's illegal for parents to be asleep, watching TV or having sex in their bedroom while leaving children to sleep in another room.

It is illegal for a person to take children from their house (as the prosecution claims) or to take them into their house when they find them wandering around outside (parents deny this happened) instead of returning them home or to call the police. Bell's actions were criminal while the parents weren't.

The reaction of some of those at the party is also LEGAL if they believed the children were still in the house but the prosecution can't prosecute since there is no way to prove they didn't believe that the children were still in Bell's house or that they weren't making a citizens arrest.
He broke the law. They didn't. | 2:13 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
Fredd

"He claims they were wandering around the street. Are you going to believe people who drink 12-20 beers and lose their children?"

It doesn't matter how many beers they were drinking. People have the legal right to drink as many beers as they choose while on their own property. People also have a right to leave their children in their beds at night while they sleep, have sex, party, watch TV or do anything they choose to do that is legal.

It is also clear that Latu was checking on the children since she found them missing, freaked out, went looking for them, found them at Bell's house, retrieved them, told everyone and that "they had their children." All of this would lead reasonable people who did not see the children with Latu to believe that the children were still in his house.

Bell admits to breaking the law since he didn't have a legal right to take the children into his home even if he found them wandering around outside since he had two legal options. Return them or call the police whether the parents were drinking or asleep. It doesn't matter.
Fredd | 5:06 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
I'm not defending Bell so much as I am trying to point out all these posters are accepting the partiers side of the story unquestioningly. I'm a beer drinker and have drank 12-20 beers before. I doubt their story is reliable.
K | 8:13 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
It seems to me it was a misunderstanding. It wasn't a hate crime. Did anyone read the part about them inviting them over early on in the night for drinks and poker? It wasn't a kidnapping, they were trying to be responsible adults. It was all a huge misunderstanding. Why do we feel like we have to take sides?
Anonymous | 8:41 p.m. Sept. 24, 2009
I agree with K... Both parties are at fault/did something stupid.
awsomeron | 3:36 a.m. Sept. 25, 2009
I do not think Bell stole the kids.

There are No shining Stars in this incident.

The one thing I have learned living on the DN Web Site for the last several months, is that Salt Lake, has all the elaments and all the problems that every where else does.

Salt Lake cannot be like the Community around BYUH, Warm, Safe and Very Dry. As well as very Closed On Sunday. Plus 99 an 44, 100 percent Gay Free.

However it is also very much Non White. Students from almost 50 different Nations (some very small), attend the College.

The point is you get what you pay for.

The charges will be dropped or not, and a jury will sort it out.

I think it was mostly concern and poor judgement, on one side and anexity and fear on the other. Fueled by a lot of Beer.

Gays tend to think that because they are accepted and even welcomed that thy are really accepted and welcome. Not always the case, as the fear and distrust lie just below the serface, ready to boil up and over at the slightest disturbance.

L. G. KIRKPATRICK | 9:12 a.m. Sept. 25, 2009
I think Mr. Bell was actually beaten not by the neighbors, but by his boyfriend, and the two of them are trying to point the finger at the neighbors, who probably don't remember 1/10th of what they were actually doing.

Let's put the blame where it really belongs!
Patrick R. | 4:31 p.m. Sept. 25, 2009
DJ Bell was found not guilty on all charges. I bet a civil suit is on the way.
Bryan Leger | 9:39 p.m. Sept. 26, 2009
Kidnapping is holding a person against their will. No evidence shows these kids were held against their will. In terms of the kids being in the bedroom. That is a statement given by the mother, who with the errors in her testimony, probably doesn't remember if she had her pants on forwards or backwards. That said, no evidence has been given that the kids were taken out of the house. Bell said he asked permission to let the kids sleep on his livingroom couch from the mother, whom he mentioned was slightly distracted, and likely very drunk, when he asked. There lies the possibility that she forgot giving permission, or didn't realize how much she distrusted gay people. Because where was the first place she went to find them when she saw they were missing? Exactly where she knew they would be. In hands her husband wouldn't have approved of. Better some queers get the beating than her, right? At least in her mind. Reasonable doubt. Not guilty.
Pagan | 11:42 a.m. Sept. 28, 2009
Shame on Lulu Latu! That woman is disgusting!

Things would be 'fuzzy' with me too if I admitted to drinking '12-20', almost a CASE of beer! (One of the fathers admitted to drinking almost 20 beers in the hearing) Notice the parents are kind of vague on the details of the night but 'know' they did not beat Bell. Coincidence?

How else would she explain the beating? Bell 'fell down the stairs?'

Lulu Latu got her friends and family to beat Bell, not because her children were 'missing', but rather because she thought she could get away with it. Because Bell and Fair were 'just gay.'

Got 4 words for her:

'See you in court.'

Add your comment

Comments are monitored. Any comments found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, more than 200 words or containing URLs will not be posted.

Words Remaining

E-mail address: For internal use only. We may want to contact you to publish your comment (not your e-mail address) in the newspaper or for a separate story idea.

Image
Chen Wang, Deseret News

David James Bell, who is charged with child kidnapping and burglary, sits in court in Salt Lake City on Wednesday.

previousnext

Latest comments

It seems that Sports Radio needs to have someone play the role of designated...

Letters: Global warming a lie

mark | 11:44 p.m. You didn't know Al Gore OWNS and CHAIRS a company that...

Are your lives that horrible that you are going to sue for a little joke...

Store planning for Palin crush

Sarah did not lose the election for the republicans. GWB did that. Sarah...

The saddest part of this whole Max Hall business is that by excusing what Max...

Yet again, we learn BCS is a big joke

You need to look no further than TCU their weekly performances etc. They won...

BYU professor remembered

Dennis served his mission under Pres. LeBaron in South Africa in 1976-1977....

Andersen even admits going to great lengths to trick the public. He even had...

That is so funny. All you jokers that loved MJ fell for it again. The guy is...

Americans would have more money to spend if they quit taking it out of our...

Advertisements