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Witnesses deny beating their neighbor
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"It was kind of fuzzy that night," Peace said. "In my mind, I'm thinking to rescue my kids."
Mageo said he was busy playing poker at a table outside his house and paid little attention to Bell until Latu returned with the children and was so upset.
"My thing was to get my kids out of the house," he said.
She already had the kids! These guys are full of it. They are burning themselves with their statements in y opinion.
Their witnesses are all taking the 5th.
That said, Bell had no right to take those children inside his house or bedroom. If he was truly worried they were being neglected, he should call the cops. Not take the kids in his bedroom. I hope he is convicted.
Sounds like Bell was just trying to comfort some children made uncomfortable by the wild adult partiers next door, not take them away from their parents.
Many adults praise young children to make them comfortable by telling them they're beautiful, not to recruit them into a sex act.
This prosecution is an abomination.
Imagine children wandering around in the early hours wanting to sleep, but unable due to the partying and parents completely oblivious to where there children are to be found. When she sobers up, then she is concerned and ungrateful that someone helped her children when she is too drunk to care.
Gays & Lesbians should never, ever, EVER allow children into their home without the parent present. Helping a child is nothing worth putting your life, liberty, career, relationship and everything you have ever worked to build at risk, and here is a clear example of how it can happen.
Bell could have handled it better, no doubt, but doesn't deserve to be attacked, for trying to help another.
The only really obvious crime, was the beating of Bell and his partner which the police and prosecutor have done nothing about.
Not too many people are going to have sympathy for the family, that was drinking into the wee hours of the morning when they should have been taking care of their kids.
It seems that numerous people at the party have a criminal history.
The father says he drank between 12-20 beers.
So he was so drunk the he can not remember how many?
all this is going on while they have a 2 and 4 year old that they should be taking care of.
Hey if you want to party get a babysitter.
And Mr Bell should be put in jail for the rest of his life over this?
As a parent, if I found out that a neighbor had taken my child into their house without my permission, I would have kicked down the door and drug the people out in the street as well. There is no excuse for bringing a child that isn't yours into your home without permission. There are also way too many iffy statements from Bell to really believe he was just trying to comfort the children.
On the flip side, I have seen the "fuzzy" attitude before, which suggests that the family knows they went too far, and they are trying to hide something as well.
I will be curious to hear how this all turns out, and again, I am grateful to not have to be in the middle of it.
I think you have the most level head of any of these comments on this article. Like you, I can really see the fault in both sides. I also think there's a lot that people are not telling.
(Although I cannot believe these folks "do not remember" beating up this man.)
The mother of the children had already gotten the children out of the house, so how was this beating related to protecting children?
The children, unsupervised wandered over to the neighboor home and they let them stay there, this is kidnapping?
Given the loud party taking place, it isn't unreasonable to let the kids have a quieter place to stay.
The neighboors should be charged with breaking and entering, I would sue them civily also. They would have been shot had they done this at my house.
Were their parent to come over and start bashing heads, the would be shot.
But as a parent, would you have first engaged in a loud, drunken party with outdoor gambling/poker playing...and allowing your children to wander around outside?
Ludicrous!!
Regardless you can't beat people up.
My guess though is that alot of things were probably "hazy" that night given the fact that ALL these people sound like a bunch of drug-dealing partying drunks.
Does this really surprise anyone?
Talk about the lowest common denominators of society.
Stuff like this does not happen in my neighborhood--how about yours?
-- wow, that's a LOT for someone to do with two small kids in tow -out of a house with lots of people, through the back door and over a fence??? right. The detectives bias is showing!!
"I thought the mother took the kids with her when she was there - so if the defense was to get the kids out of the house and get them safe - that really doesn't fly. - Does it?"
Defense? Those people are NOT on trial so they aren't giving a defense of anything instead they are the ones testifying against the criminal activity of Bell and explaining what happened. Bell's defense doesn't hold any weight since he NEVER explains how two children end up in his home without permission of the parents and instead wants us to believe that instead of a) taking the children home when he found them or b) calling the police to report to children be left to walk around the neighborhood (no other neighbors are testifying that they also saw the children walking around) he chooses c) to take the children into his home to allow them to sleep at his house.
Give me a damn break. If I found two little children walking around my neighborhood at that time of night I would call the police and wait for them on the porch.
"It was kind of fuzzy that night," Peace said. "In my mind, I'm thinking to rescue my kids.
Mageo said he was busy playing poker at a table outside his house and paid little attention to Bell until Latu returned with the children and was so upset.
"My thing was to get my kids out of the house," he said.
She already had the kids! These guys are full of it. They are burning themselves with their statements in my opinion."
This is consistent with what Latu claims happened. She told those at the party that the neighbors had their children. In her mind it would have been past tense but for Pearce and others who did not see the children with her it would be seen as present tense.
You are assuming that a) these people were sober, b) that there was no miscommunication, and c) that they were in a state of mind allowing them to rationally think it through.
You give Bell the benefit of the doubt but you don't give those who just learned that a) their kids were in someone else house the same benefit.
"If the victims of these beatings have identified the men who are responsible, it doesn't matter how many times these guys claim they "don't recall" or plead the fifth. They have been identified by the victims and need to be charged."
The alleged victim committed a crime therefore their testimony is not sufficient to charge them with any crime. The prosecutor would lose the case based on the fact that their defense attorney would simply have to point out that they thought that the children were in the house and the prosecutor would have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that they ALL saw the children safe before reacting.
"It is never acceptable to inflict bodily harm to anyone (unless self-defense or protecting someone else's life) and if that is their story, they need to prove that they feared immediate danger to their children at the moment of the beatings."
They DON'T need to prove anything. Take a law class moron before opening your mouth. The Prosecutor would need to prove that NONE of them thought the children were still in the house.
Idiot!!!
I've had kids come over to my house, to play with my kids, I 've just let them in.
Were their parent to come over and start bashing heads, the would be shot."
Then you would be charged with kidnapping and murder and if the parents lived they wouldn't because it is considered a citizens arrest for them and others to retrieve their children and use whatever force short of deadly force they deem necessary to restrain you until police arrive or they are able to take you to the nearest police officer. If you brought out a gun as they are trying to apprehend you then they would legally have a right to use deadly force against you so I dare you to do something like that.
You have no more right to claim that the children came over voluntarily or that you were keeping them safe while their parents partied or slept then a pedophile has that right. If you don't have their parents permission then you have LEGALLY kidnapped them. Understand? Or are you stupid?
"But as a parent, would you have first engaged in a loud, drunken party with outdoor gambling/poker playing...and allowing your children to wander around outside?"
It doesn't matter. It is NOT illegal for people to drink on their property or to leave their children in bed sleeping while they do so anymore than it's illegal for parents to be asleep, watching TV or having sex in their bedroom while leaving children to sleep in another room.
It is illegal for a person to take children from their house (as the prosecution claims) or to take them into their house when they find them wandering around outside (parents deny this happened) instead of returning them home or to call the police. Bell's actions were criminal while the parents weren't.
The reaction of some of those at the party is also LEGAL if they believed the children were still in the house but the prosecution can't prosecute since there is no way to prove they didn't believe that the children were still in Bell's house or that they weren't making a citizens arrest.
"He claims they were wandering around the street. Are you going to believe people who drink 12-20 beers and lose their children?"
It doesn't matter how many beers they were drinking. People have the legal right to drink as many beers as they choose while on their own property. People also have a right to leave their children in their beds at night while they sleep, have sex, party, watch TV or do anything they choose to do that is legal.
It is also clear that Latu was checking on the children since she found them missing, freaked out, went looking for them, found them at Bell's house, retrieved them, told everyone and that "they had their children." All of this would lead reasonable people who did not see the children with Latu to believe that the children were still in his house.
Bell admits to breaking the law since he didn't have a legal right to take the children into his home even if he found them wandering around outside since he had two legal options. Return them or call the police whether the parents were drinking or asleep. It doesn't matter.
There are No shining Stars in this incident.
The one thing I have learned living on the DN Web Site for the last several months, is that Salt Lake, has all the elaments and all the problems that every where else does.
Salt Lake cannot be like the Community around BYUH, Warm, Safe and Very Dry. As well as very Closed On Sunday. Plus 99 an 44, 100 percent Gay Free.
However it is also very much Non White. Students from almost 50 different Nations (some very small), attend the College.
The point is you get what you pay for.
The charges will be dropped or not, and a jury will sort it out.
I think it was mostly concern and poor judgement, on one side and anexity and fear on the other. Fueled by a lot of Beer.
Gays tend to think that because they are accepted and even welcomed that thy are really accepted and welcome. Not always the case, as the fear and distrust lie just below the serface, ready to boil up and over at the slightest disturbance.
Let's put the blame where it really belongs!
Things would be 'fuzzy' with me too if I admitted to drinking '12-20', almost a CASE of beer! (One of the fathers admitted to drinking almost 20 beers in the hearing) Notice the parents are kind of vague on the details of the night but 'know' they did not beat Bell. Coincidence?
How else would she explain the beating? Bell 'fell down the stairs?'
Lulu Latu got her friends and family to beat Bell, not because her children were 'missing', but rather because she thought she could get away with it. Because Bell and Fair were 'just gay.'
Got 4 words for her:
'See you in court.'
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