BSU will get an invite, probably this offseason, or the next. The reason they
will wait is because it helps the MWC. BSU's record will count in the evaluation
of the MWC vs the Big East. Personally, I can't stand the BSU fans, but they
would be a great addition to the MWC. One stipulation that Thompson should
require of BSU is that they lose the smurf turf, it is embarassing. Ultimately BSU will help our conference. I hat to admit it but they are a
great team, in a weak conference. Bring them to the MWC and they will
consistantly be in the top 3. GO UTES Let's have some Cardinal for
dinner on Saturday.
Talk about taking out the Big East all you want but it will happen just about as
soon as you will see a 120 team playoff. The Big East encompasses one-fourth of
the nation's media markets, including the big one, NYC, and there is absolutely
no way the BCS Commissioners and Presidents, the ones who run the thing, are
about to let that get away. Remember the BCS was set up to accomplish only two
things: maintain control over the bowls and post-season money by the BCS Six
conferences and set up a championship game between the number one and two teams
at the end of the year. There is no other reason, everything else is just
I really like Chad's idea with adding Houston, Fresno and BSU. Makes alot of
This is exactly what I have said before.MWC should add Boise Start
and get rid of Wyoming in a deal with the BCS to get an automatic bid. The
conference would really improve if they could do that.
And they have my pity.
The focus of the article is how to become a qualifying conference not belittle
particular schools. The comments about BSU are a bit difficult to understand.
BSU has won ever game but one against MWC opponents and the one loss was by one
point with a young team. Beginning in 2011 and 2012 both Utah and
BYU begin home and away series with BSU. If BSU continues to play well these
games could well be a stumbling block for the MWC. It might be better to
include them and if BSU were to win in a particular year, the MWC would still be
a winner. Otherwise BSU could be a barrier in those future years.
The Utes have struggled to beat 2 lower-rung WAC teams and have lost to a mid to
lower-level PAC-10 team. I don't seem them walking over Louisville this
weekend.The only MWC statement game left will be TCU against
I like BSU but do not think they are the answer as the TV market is way to
small. TCU was added because they were good but also because Dallas-Fort Worth
is a huge market and opened recruiting in Texas, McKay Jacobson and the new LB
coming to BYU anyone. I think Houston would be a better add to the
MWC. Houston is another huge market and has both solid football and basketball
programs. If we add 3 teams to get 2 divisions Houston, BSU, and Fresno St
would be logical choices. Houston would also give TCU a traveling partner.MWC front rangeHoustonTCUNew MexicoAir ForceColorado StWyomingMWC back rangeBSUUTAHBYUUNLVSan Diego StFresno StThe strenght is in
the back range with BYU, Utah, and BSU but the front range is more balanced
avoiding MWC celler dwellers UNLV and SDSU.Do it on the condition
that the winner of a championship game gets an automatic BCS bid(won't happen).
and replace them with BSU. MWC can't dump SDSU because there is too much
potential with that program (biggest media market in MWC, best recruiting
Dude, you did not just compare a second rate conference complaining about the
BCS to the civil rights movement, did you?
Suppose TCU does run the table and BSU. Who goes? Utah and BYU need to hold
their weight to help TCU be better. It would seem to make sense to TCU would go
as they would have played the better schedule. Good luck TCU the rest of they
and BSU is a lock!
BSU may get exposed in the BCS just like Hawaii was if they make the BCS this
year. It could be a mixed bag for BSU, they want to make a BCS game but they
also need to make a great showing. BSU is 1-4 in there last 5 bowl games. If
BSU takes the easy way out and gets punked like Hawaii did it will set the WAC
and BSU back next year. That will only help the MWC, Utah, BYU and TCU if they
go 11-1 next year and are faced again with taking another undefeated BSU team.
I still think a 1 loss team from the MWC may still have a chance if BSU stumbles
The Big Easy will always be part of the BCS because of the population in the
major TV outlets. The stronger conferences want one equal weakling so they can
beat up on them anyway and claim they are tough. It all comes down
to the revenue generated by TV advertising. The MWC compared against the Big
Easy conference in population and TV outlets is huge. The BCS will tweak their
qualifying requirements in exclude MWC and WAC so will the revenue and payouts
at the BCS games will continue to flow to them. The thing I would
like to see is the Non BCS conferences gang together and institute their own
playoff. In basketball, the NIT used to be the preferred post season
tournament. Over time the NCAA tournament gained popularity and is the dominant
tournament today. Busting the BCS could be done by refusal to
include as much as wanting to become one of them. I say to the MWC, let's start
a real tourament and exclude the BCS conference teams and crown our own
The MWC will NEVER replace one of the current BCS conferences for an automatic
bid. If an automatic bid comes, it will be in addition to the 6 current
conferences. If the MWC wants to be the 7th automatic conference, it needs to
make a few changes. It needs to dump a couple bad teams and add Boise State and
someone else that's good. Also, it obviously needs its teams to perform when the
have the chance. BYU and Utah both fired duds at a crucial point in the
conference's history. Hopefully TCU and Utah rebound this week or this season's
chance to make a statement is done. Even with 2 more wins this weekend against
BCS foes, the statement made by the MWC this year has been weak. The other
option for is for BYU and Utah to go as a package deal to the PAC-10, giving it
enough teams for a playoff--which means more money for the conference. If BYU
and Utah got the chance to play in the PAC-10, they would struggle for a while
but it would certainly help recruiting. Over time, it's possible that they could
It isn't the bowls that make BCS special, though they help. It's those big TV
contracts that all the conferences get to share in. That's what the BCS is all
about. If the MWC could generate a good-sized TV contract, the BCS
would come calling!!
Nah, Wyoming can be decent on occasion. Lets trade SDSU for BSU.
Even if the MWC makes it into the BCS I hope that fans, players, coaches, ADs,
and our commissioner will still fight to get rid of the BCS.
yes, why don't we trade Wyoming for BSU?
The truth is that MWC teams schedule and beat teams from BCS conferences all of
the time. Since 2003 Utah has played and beat teams such as Cal, USC, UCLA,
Oregon State, Arizona, Texas A&M, Pitt, Louisville, Michigan, Georgia Tech, and
Alabama. BYU has beat teams such as Oklahoma, UCLA and Arizona. TCU has beat
teams such as Oklahoma, and Virgina. Wyoming, one the worst teams in the
conference, beat Tennessee,in Tennessee, last year. THE TRUTH is that major
teams from BCS conferences are afraid to schedule teams like Utah, BYU, TCU and
Boise St. each year because if they don't have to beat good teams to get ranked
or move up the rankings. If they go undefeated they get into the national
championship despite the fact that they beat no one of consequence. See Ohio
State in 2006 and 2007.
Having helmets and uniforms the same color as the field isn't an advantage? By
uniforms we're not talking just the jersey, but the pants also. I
don't know how BSU would do in the MWC. Maybe they would dominate, maybe not.
There are WAC teams that hate BSU and get up for the games like MWC teams hate
and get up for BYU. The one thing that can be compared, out of conference games,
is quite weak for BSU. When the schedule, even the home part, was announced for
BSU, there were BSU fans complaining about its weakness. If BSU is
undefeated this year and a MWC team has only one loss, I would rather any BCS
bid go to a MWC team. Before the latest poll, three MWC teams ranked, one WAC
team ranked. One big game a year for BSU doesn't cut it. And this year's weak
out-of-conference schedule for BSU isn't an exception; it seems to be the rule
for their schedule.
The MWC have talked to Boise State before, like when TCU was brought in. They
really want(ed) to come, too. If I remember right, the main reason they weren't
invited was because an even number of schools (10) means an odd number of games,
which messes up your home-and-away schedule. Seems trivial to some, but it's
important to AD's. So if you go to 10, then you may as well go to 11, then you
may as well go to 12 and have divisions. But I can't think of 2 more schools
that would help the conference (Fresno State and Hawaii are close, but not
enough). So who would you kick out to get Boise State and stay at 9? Remember,
this is not just about Football. New Mexico, UNLV, and SDSU make us a better
basketball conference than BSU would. Wyoming, I guess.
I think the Big East being given an AUTOMATIC BID each year stinks. This would
solve the problem. The highest ranked team from the Big East, Mountain West, WAC
or Conference USA should be given the AUTOMATIC BID. I have a hard time seeing
Rutgers or Cincinnati get the Big East automatic bid when they are not any
better then Boise State, BYU, TCU and Utah. Something to think about.
I can't believe the ignorance in Utah (state not school) fans. Did you know
that if the MWC meets the criteria they could get in and there could be 7 BCS
conferences. It isn't a matter of MWC or Big East. It could be both. Utah
(school) beating Louisville doesn't say much because Louisville is horrible, but
I'm sure the fans will trot that out as the argument for why the MWC deserves to
be in the BCS. Stop your BCS whine. Schedule and beat tougher teams and you
will be in and that is.....THE TRUTH
Are you kidding about BSU's blue turf? If it is such a home field advantage
perhaps BYU should use blue turf and Utah use red turf. Get real. BSU wins
because they are a very good team that is very well coached. Rarely are they
unprepared for an opponent,regardless of the conference. Uniform color and turf
color have nothing to do with winning consistently. If uniform color mattered
Oregon would be undefeated every year as they have 30-40 uniform combinations.
BYU and Utah need to quit whinning and just win the big games. BYU looked
terrible against FSU and Utah didn't look too much better at Oregon. Before the
MWC gets privileges enjoyed by other conferences they need to win consistently
and quit moaning every time something doesn't go their way. Cancelling the ESPN
contract was the dummest thing the conference could have done. They need
nationwide exposure and with the MTN contract they don't even have county wide
exposure and highlights of their games are non existent on the national sports
shows. Whether you like it or not, BSU has national exposure and MWC teams do
not. Dumb, Dumb move by the MWC.
I bet the MWC gets that automatic qualifying status away from the Big East in
2012, then by 2014 there will be a playoff. Just our luck!
All you whimps need to drop the crapola about bringing bsu into the MWC. We
don't need them! The MWC already has two very good teams in BYU and TCU and
occassionally one of the other teams also does well. What we actually do need is
a better tv deal! I would take that over adding bsu any day! More tv exposure =
better recruiting = better teams.
"If you can't change a club's rules, meet the criteria to get in. Leave the
complaining to those that don't."Hey Rock have you ever heard of the
Civil Rights movement? No? You might want to pull out a history book. As I
remember it, the blacks had to do a lot more than than just try to meet the
club's rules. It took government action and and the enactment of laws.Now we're seeing the same thing with the BCS. It's main influencer was and
still is the SEC and I think we've been seeing the Southern elitist attitude all
over again. Sure they've loosened up the rules a bit after much outcry and
citicism but the AQ conferences still have a huge advantage and they aim to keep
it that way.
Why would Boise State want to leave the WAC? 10 of their 11 games every year are
against the equivolent of JuCo teams - thus ensuring patsy schedules every year.
A good high school team could compete in the WAC.
Hey mr. simplot or is it mr. simpleton, anyway the potato team guy whose team
has mainly beaten other teams that were having down years and then your smurf
turf fans brag like they have an NFL team: there's a lot more to it than "all
you have to do is invite us". Ha ha ha you must be smoking potatoes, Napolean.
Keep in mind that the BCS discriminates against it's own too. The PAC10 has
never had two teams qualify for BCS games in the same year - namely because it
refuses to expand it's league so they can have playoff. Big 12 and SEC put the
cards in their favor with conference champ games that almost always bumps their
end-of-season score. But every year good teams are denied opportunities. Last
year USC, Utah, Boise St, Alabama, and Texas had earned the right to compete in
a playoff. I'd say more BCS schools are denied a shot at the title than non-BCS
programs because their is not a playoff.
You mean...have something akin to a playoff? Sorry, that's what the BCS is
trying to avoid.
Bringing Boise St. into the conference won't get us an AQ. All it would do is
bring in a WAC team who will finish their years with 3-4 losses/season, and
finish unranked.Boise State's home field advantage has to do with
their ugly turf. It's the same color and hue as their jerseys, and their
opponents aren't used to facing opponents that blend into their field. On the
flip side, all the Broncos have to do is play assignment football since they
don't need to see their teammates as clearly, but can easily read defenses with
their white jerseys.Besides, with all the BSU games I've been seeing
on ESPN, helmet-to-helmet contact has been their preferred method of tackling.
Boise State's bush-league play is a better fit for the WAC. Don't even CONSIDER
the Broncos until they clean up their defense, and convert their turf to a more
appropriate hue. Such as GREEN!
Add Boise, they don't meet the requirements to get out of the Wac, that would be
other athletics and ACADEMICS. Unfortunately they do not meet either one, just
because a school is good in football doesn't mean anything.
Maybe BSU doesn't want to leave the comfy confines of the WAC they would have to
deal with Utah and TCU each year and we saw how well that went for them last
year against TCU. They are a good team and program but I think they would find
the waters a bit rougher in the MWC.
The Utah game against Louisville and the TCU game against Clemson will help if
we can win both games. A big if right now looking at the way the conference has
played as a hole this year. 0-1 Utah loss at Oregon who BSU dominated
24-310-1 UNLV loss at home to Oregon St 21-230-1 Air Force loss at
Minnesota 13-200-2 Wyoming loss at home to Texas 10-41 and 0-23 to
Colorado in an Embarrassing loss.1-1 BYU 14 to 13 Big win, 28 to 54
Embarrassing loss1-0 Colorado St over Colorado on the road, nice win.1-0 TCU over Virginia on the road 31-14, expected. Note San Diego St
losing to Idaho of the WAC was a bad loss for the conference!We need
Utah and TCU to represent for the conference a loss to the Big EAST at home
would not be good!
All you have to do is invite us, and we're in.
Add BSU to the MWC... it will increase the liklihood of getting in to the BCS.
As a Ute fan it's painful to admit that over the past 10 years BSU has done a
better job than Utah of consistently playing at a high level. In fact they've
played better than any team in the MWC including BYU and TCU. The downside for
MWC followers would be putting up with BSUs overbearing fans run their mouths
all season long.
Why dont the winner of the MWC and Big East play eachother at the end of the
season, winner gets a BCS game? Neither conference has a conference
championship game so this could be played in place of one. It would make the
two conferences great rivals
Adding Boise State would increase the percentage and be the obvious. Can we not
do the obvious?
One of the obvious things the MWC should do is to add Boise State. Of course,
they don't want to do the obvious!
The BCS needs to be taken to court by someone to be ruled an anti-trust/illegal
monopoly so that NCAA playoffs just like the hugely successful 1-AA playoffs can
be duplicated for all college football!
Even better the whole MWC should just drop down to the championship subdivision.
Everybody wins. They get their playoffs and the rest of us get rid of a bunch of