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Brad Rock: MWC bull's-eye set on Big East
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Anonymous | 11:31 p.m. Sept. 22, 2009
Even better the whole MWC should just drop down to the championship subdivision.
Everybody wins. They get their playoffs and the rest of us get rid of a bunch of
whining pretenders.
Need legal action! | 12:14 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
The BCS needs to be taken to court by someone to be ruled an anti-trust/illegal
monopoly so that NCAA playoffs just like the hugely successful 1-AA playoffs can
be duplicated for all college football!
Anonymous | 3:01 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
One of the obvious things the MWC should do is to add Boise State. Of course,
they don't want to do the obvious!
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Football fan | 3:34 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Adding Boise State would increase the percentage and be the obvious. Can we not
do the obvious?
The Champ | 7:15 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Why dont the winner of the MWC and Big East play eachother at the end of the
season, winner gets a BCS game? Neither conference has a conference
championship game so this could be played in place of one. It would make the
two conferences great rivals
Wake up Craig Thompson | 7:57 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Add BSU to the MWC... it will increase the liklihood of getting in to the BCS.
As a Ute fan it's painful to admit that over the past 10 years BSU has done
a better job than Utah of consistently playing at a high level. In fact
they've played better than any team in the MWC including BYU and TCU. The
downside for MWC followers would be putting up with BSUs overbearing fans run
their mouths all season long.
36-3 | 8:05 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
All you have to do is invite us, and we're in.
MWC | 8:43 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
The Utah game against Louisville and the TCU game against Clemson will help if
we can win both games. A big if right now looking at the way the conference has
played as a hole this year.
0-1 Utah loss at Oregon who BSU dominated 24-31
0-1 UNLV loss at home to Oregon St 21-23
0-1 Air Force loss at Minnesota 13-20
0-2 Wyoming loss at home to Texas 10-41 and 0-23 to Colorado in an Embarrassing loss.
1-1 BYU 14 to 13 Big win, 28 to 54 Embarrassing loss
1-0 Colorado St over Colorado on the road, nice win.
1-0 TCU over Virginia on the road 31-14, expected.
Note San Diego St losing to Idaho of the WAC was a bad loss for the conference!
We need Utah and TCU to represent for the conference a loss to the Big EAST at home would not be good!
0-1 Utah loss at Oregon who BSU dominated 24-31
0-1 UNLV loss at home to Oregon St 21-23
0-1 Air Force loss at Minnesota 13-20
0-2 Wyoming loss at home to Texas 10-41 and 0-23 to Colorado in an Embarrassing loss.
1-1 BYU 14 to 13 Big win, 28 to 54 Embarrassing loss
1-0 Colorado St over Colorado on the road, nice win.
1-0 TCU over Virginia on the road 31-14, expected.
Note San Diego St losing to Idaho of the WAC was a bad loss for the conference!
We need Utah and TCU to represent for the conference a loss to the Big EAST at home would not be good!
Dapper2k | 8:46 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Maybe BSU doesn't want to leave the comfy confines of the WAC they would
have to deal with Utah and TCU each year and we saw how well that went for them
last year against TCU. They are a good team and program but I think they would
find the waters a bit rougher in the MWC.
Can't | 8:51 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Add Boise, they don't meet the requirements to get out of the Wac, that
would be other athletics and ACADEMICS. Unfortunately they do not meet either
one, just because a school is good in football doesn't mean anything.
NO BSU!!! | 8:52 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Bringing Boise St. into the conference won't get us an AQ. All it would do
is bring in a WAC team who will finish their years with 3-4 losses/season, and
finish unranked.
Boise State's home field advantage has to do with their ugly turf. It's the same color and hue as their jerseys, and their opponents aren't used to facing opponents that blend into their field. On the flip side, all the Broncos have to do is play assignment football since they don't need to see their teammates as clearly, but can easily read defenses with their white jerseys.
Besides, with all the BSU games I've been seeing on ESPN, helmet-to-helmet contact has been their preferred method of tackling. Boise State's bush-league play is a better fit for the WAC. Don't even CONSIDER the Broncos until they clean up their defense, and convert their turf to a more appropriate hue. Such as GREEN!
Boise State's home field advantage has to do with their ugly turf. It's the same color and hue as their jerseys, and their opponents aren't used to facing opponents that blend into their field. On the flip side, all the Broncos have to do is play assignment football since they don't need to see their teammates as clearly, but can easily read defenses with their white jerseys.
Besides, with all the BSU games I've been seeing on ESPN, helmet-to-helmet contact has been their preferred method of tackling. Boise State's bush-league play is a better fit for the WAC. Don't even CONSIDER the Broncos until they clean up their defense, and convert their turf to a more appropriate hue. Such as GREEN!
re: the champ | 9:00 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
You mean...have something akin to a playoff? Sorry, that's what the BCS is
trying to avoid.
Playoff good for all.. | 9:10 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Keep in mind that the BCS discriminates against it's own too. The PAC10 has
never had two teams qualify for BCS games in the same year - namely because it
refuses to expand it's league so they can have playoff. Big 12 and SEC put
the cards in their favor with conference champ games that almost always bumps
their end-of-season score. But every year good teams are denied opportunities.
Last year USC, Utah, Boise St, Alabama, and Texas had earned the right to
compete in a playoff. I'd say more BCS schools are denied a shot at the
title than non-BCS programs because their is not a playoff.
re: 36-3 ha ha good luck | 9:12 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Hey mr. simplot or is it mr. simpleton, anyway the potato team guy whose team
has mainly beaten other teams that were having down years and then your smurf
turf fans brag like they have an NFL team: there's a lot more to it than
"all you have to do is invite us". Ha ha ha you must be smoking
potatoes, Napolean.
BOISEstate | 9:16 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Why would Boise State want to leave the WAC? 10 of their 11 games every year are
against the equivolent of JuCo teams - thus ensuring patsy schedules every year.
A good high school team could compete in the WAC.
Football civil rights | 9:20 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
"If you can't change a club's rules, meet the criteria to get in.
Leave the complaining to those that don't."
Hey Rock have you ever heard of the Civil Rights movement? No? You might want to pull out a history book. As I remember it, the blacks had to do a lot more than than just try to meet the club's rules. It took government action and and the enactment of laws.
Now we're seeing the same thing with the BCS. It's main influencer was and still is the SEC and I think we've been seeing the Southern elitist attitude all over again. Sure they've loosened up the rules a bit after much outcry and citicism but the AQ conferences still have a huge advantage and they aim to keep it that way.
Hey Rock have you ever heard of the Civil Rights movement? No? You might want to pull out a history book. As I remember it, the blacks had to do a lot more than than just try to meet the club's rules. It took government action and and the enactment of laws.
Now we're seeing the same thing with the BCS. It's main influencer was and still is the SEC and I think we've been seeing the Southern elitist attitude all over again. Sure they've loosened up the rules a bit after much outcry and citicism but the AQ conferences still have a huge advantage and they aim to keep it that way.
bsu not the answer | 9:36 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
All you whimps need to drop the crapola about bringing bsu into the MWC. We
don't need them! The MWC already has two very good teams in BYU and TCU and
occassionally one of the other teams also does well. What we actually do need is
a better tv deal! I would take that over adding bsu any day! More tv exposure =
better recruiting = better teams.
just our luck | 9:39 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
I bet the MWC gets that automatic qualifying status away from the Big East in
2012, then by 2014 there will be a playoff. Just our luck!
Blue Turf | 9:51 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Are you kidding about BSU's blue turf? If it is such a home field
advantage perhaps BYU should use blue turf and Utah use red turf. Get real.
BSU wins because they are a very good team that is very well coached. Rarely
are they unprepared for an opponent,regardless of the conference. Uniform color
and turf color have nothing to do with winning consistently. If uniform color
mattered Oregon would be undefeated every year as they have 30-40 uniform
combinations. BYU and Utah need to quit whinning and just win the big games.
BYU looked terrible against FSU and Utah didn't look too much better at
Oregon. Before the MWC gets privileges enjoyed by other conferences they need
to win consistently and quit moaning every time something doesn't go their
way. Cancelling the ESPN contract was the dummest thing the conference could
have done. They need nationwide exposure and with the MTN contract they
don't even have county wide exposure and highlights of their games are non
existent on the national sports shows. Whether you like it or not, BSU has
national exposure and MWC teams do not. Dumb, Dumb move by the MWC.
The Truth | 10:45 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
I can't believe the ignorance in Utah (state not school) fans. Did you
know that if the MWC meets the criteria they could get in and there could be 7
BCS conferences. It isn't a matter of MWC or Big East. It could be both.
Utah (school) beating Louisville doesn't say much because Louisville is
horrible, but I'm sure the fans will trot that out as the argument for why
the MWC deserves to be in the BCS. Stop your BCS whine. Schedule and beat
tougher teams and you will be in and that is.....
THE TRUTH
THE TRUTH
Anonymous | 10:51 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
I think the Big East being given an AUTOMATIC BID each year stinks. This would
solve the problem. The highest ranked team from the Big East, Mountain West, WAC
or Conference USA should be given the AUTOMATIC BID. I have a hard time seeing
Rutgers or Cincinnati get the Big East automatic bid when they are not any
better then Boise State, BYU, TCU and Utah. Something to think about.
Boise State | 11:07 a.m. Sept. 23, 2009
The MWC have talked to Boise State before, like when TCU was brought in. They
really want(ed) to come, too. If I remember right, the main reason they
weren't invited was because an even number of schools (10) means an odd
number of games, which messes up your home-and-away schedule. Seems trivial to
some, but it's important to AD's. So if you go to 10, then you may as
well go to 11, then you may as well go to 12 and have divisions. But I
can't think of 2 more schools that would help the conference (Fresno State
and Hawaii are close, but not enough). So who would you kick out to get Boise
State and stay at 9? Remember, this is not just about Football. New Mexico,
UNLV, and SDSU make us a better basketball conference than BSU would. Wyoming, I
guess.
Idahoan | 12:02 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Having helmets and uniforms the same color as the field isn't an advantage?
By uniforms we're not talking just the jersey, but the pants also.
I don't know how BSU would do in the MWC. Maybe they would dominate, maybe not. There are WAC teams that hate BSU and get up for the games like MWC teams hate and get up for BYU. The one thing that can be compared, out of conference games, is quite weak for BSU. When the schedule, even the home part, was announced for BSU, there were BSU fans complaining about its weakness.
If BSU is undefeated this year and a MWC team has only one loss, I would rather any BCS bid go to a MWC team. Before the latest poll, three MWC teams ranked, one WAC team ranked. One big game a year for BSU doesn't cut it. And this year's weak out-of-conference schedule for BSU isn't an exception; it seems to be the rule for their schedule.
I don't know how BSU would do in the MWC. Maybe they would dominate, maybe not. There are WAC teams that hate BSU and get up for the games like MWC teams hate and get up for BYU. The one thing that can be compared, out of conference games, is quite weak for BSU. When the schedule, even the home part, was announced for BSU, there were BSU fans complaining about its weakness.
If BSU is undefeated this year and a MWC team has only one loss, I would rather any BCS bid go to a MWC team. Before the latest poll, three MWC teams ranked, one WAC team ranked. One big game a year for BSU doesn't cut it. And this year's weak out-of-conference schedule for BSU isn't an exception; it seems to be the rule for their schedule.
Anonymous | 12:22 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
The truth is that MWC teams schedule and beat teams from BCS conferences all of
the time. Since 2003 Utah has played and beat teams such as Cal, USC, UCLA,
Oregon State, Arizona, Texas A&M, Pitt, Louisville, Michigan, Georgia Tech,
and Alabama. BYU has beat teams such as Oklahoma, UCLA and Arizona. TCU has beat
teams such as Oklahoma, and Virgina. Wyoming, one the worst teams in the
conference, beat Tennessee,in Tennessee, last year. THE TRUTH is that major
teams from BCS conferences are afraid to schedule teams like Utah, BYU, TCU and
Boise St. each year because if they don't have to beat good teams to get
ranked or move up the rankings. If they go undefeated they get into the national
championship despite the fact that they beat no one of consequence. See Ohio
State in 2006 and 2007.
trade | 12:24 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
yes, why don't we trade Wyoming for BSU?
The BCS is wrong | 12:36 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Even if the MWC makes it into the BCS I hope that fans, players, coaches, ADs,
and our commissioner will still fight to get rid of the BCS.
SDSU Trade | 1:26 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Nah, Wyoming can be decent on occasion. Lets trade SDSU for BSU.
It's the money, man | 1:47 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
It isn't the bowls that make BCS special, though they help. It's
those big TV contracts that all the conferences get to share in. That's
what the BCS is all about.
If the MWC could generate a good-sized TV contract, the BCS would come calling!!
If the MWC could generate a good-sized TV contract, the BCS would come calling!!
PAC-10 | 1:59 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
The MWC will NEVER replace one of the current BCS conferences for an automatic
bid. If an automatic bid comes, it will be in addition to the 6 current
conferences. If the MWC wants to be the 7th automatic conference, it needs to
make a few changes. It needs to dump a couple bad teams and add Boise State and
someone else that's good. Also, it obviously needs its teams to perform
when the have the chance. BYU and Utah both fired duds at a crucial point in the
conference's history. Hopefully TCU and Utah rebound this week or this
season's chance to make a statement is done. Even with 2 more wins this
weekend against BCS foes, the statement made by the MWC this year has been weak.
The other option for is for BYU and Utah to go as a package deal to the PAC-10,
giving it enough teams for a playoff--which means more money for the conference.
If BYU and Utah got the chance to play in the PAC-10, they would struggle for a
while but it would certainly help recruiting. Over time, it's possible that
they could compete.
AK Cougar | 2:09 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
The Big Easy will always be part of the BCS because of the population in the
major TV outlets. The stronger conferences want one equal weakling so they can
beat up on them anyway and claim they are tough.
It all comes down to the revenue generated by TV advertising. The MWC compared against the Big Easy conference in population and TV outlets is huge. The BCS will tweak their qualifying requirements in exclude MWC and WAC so will the revenue and payouts at the BCS games will continue to flow to them.
The thing I would like to see is the Non BCS conferences gang together and institute their own playoff. In basketball, the NIT used to be the preferred post season tournament. Over time the NCAA tournament gained popularity and is the dominant tournament today.
Busting the BCS could be done by refusal to include as much as wanting to become one of them. I say to the MWC, let's start a real tourament and exclude the BCS conference teams and crown our own champion.
It all comes down to the revenue generated by TV advertising. The MWC compared against the Big Easy conference in population and TV outlets is huge. The BCS will tweak their qualifying requirements in exclude MWC and WAC so will the revenue and payouts at the BCS games will continue to flow to them.
The thing I would like to see is the Non BCS conferences gang together and institute their own playoff. In basketball, the NIT used to be the preferred post season tournament. Over time the NCAA tournament gained popularity and is the dominant tournament today.
Busting the BCS could be done by refusal to include as much as wanting to become one of them. I say to the MWC, let's start a real tourament and exclude the BCS conference teams and crown our own champion.
BSU | 3:25 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
BSU may get exposed in the BCS just like Hawaii was if they make the BCS this
year. It could be a mixed bag for BSU, they want to make a BCS game but they
also need to make a great showing. BSU is 1-4 in there last 5 bowl games. If
BSU takes the easy way out and gets punked like Hawaii did it will set the WAC
and BSU back next year. That will only help the MWC, Utah, BYU and TCU if they
go 11-1 next year and are faced again with taking another undefeated BSU team.
I still think a 1 loss team from the MWC may still have a chance if BSU stumbles
this year.
Utes lose | 4:18 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
and BSU is a lock!
MADRYBEG | 4:24 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Suppose TCU does run the table and BSU. Who goes? Utah and BYU need to hold
their weight to help TCU be better. It would seem to make sense to TCU would go
as they would have played the better schedule. Good luck TCU the rest of they
way!
re: Football Civil Rights | 4:30 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
Dude, you did not just compare a second rate conference complaining about the
BCS to the civil rights movement, did you?
Dump Wyoming | 5:50 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
and replace them with BSU. MWC can't dump SDSU because there is too much
potential with that program (biggest media market in MWC, best recruiting
location etc.)
Chad | 10:09 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
I like BSU but do not think they are the answer as the TV market is way to
small. TCU was added because they were good but also because Dallas-Fort Worth
is a huge market and opened recruiting in Texas, McKay Jacobson and the new LB
coming to BYU anyone.
I think Houston would be a better add to the MWC. Houston is another huge market and has both solid football and basketball programs. If we add 3 teams to get 2 divisions Houston, BSU, and Fresno St would be logical choices. Houston would also give TCU a traveling partner.
MWC front range
Houston
TCU
New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado St
Wyoming
MWC back range
BSU
UTAH
BYU
UNLV
San Diego St
Fresno St
The strenght is in the back range with BYU, Utah, and BSU but the front range is more balanced avoiding MWC celler dwellers UNLV and SDSU.
Do it on the condition that the winner of a championship game gets an automatic BCS bid(won't happen).
I think Houston would be a better add to the MWC. Houston is another huge market and has both solid football and basketball programs. If we add 3 teams to get 2 divisions Houston, BSU, and Fresno St would be logical choices. Houston would also give TCU a traveling partner.
MWC front range
Houston
TCU
New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado St
Wyoming
MWC back range
BSU
UTAH
BYU
UNLV
San Diego St
Fresno St
The strenght is in the back range with BYU, Utah, and BSU but the front range is more balanced avoiding MWC celler dwellers UNLV and SDSU.
Do it on the condition that the winner of a championship game gets an automatic BCS bid(won't happen).
Can Utes win? | 10:19 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
The Utes have struggled to beat 2 lower-rung WAC teams and have lost to a mid to
lower-level PAC-10 team. I don't seem them walking over Louisville this
weekend.
The only MWC statement game left will be TCU against Clemson.
The only MWC statement game left will be TCU against Clemson.
Football Fan | 10:24 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
The focus of the article is how to become a qualifying conference not belittle
particular schools. The comments about BSU are a bit difficult to understand.
BSU has won ever game but one against MWC opponents and the one loss was by one
point with a young team.
Beginning in 2011 and 2012 both Utah and BYU begin home and away series with BSU. If BSU continues to play well these games could well be a stumbling block for the MWC. It might be better to include them and if BSU were to win in a particular year, the MWC would still be a winner. Otherwise BSU could be a barrier in those future years.
Beginning in 2011 and 2012 both Utah and BYU begin home and away series with BSU. If BSU continues to play well these games could well be a stumbling block for the MWC. It might be better to include them and if BSU were to win in a particular year, the MWC would still be a winner. Otherwise BSU could be a barrier in those future years.
MWC is a Sad Strange Conference | 11:19 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
And they have my pity.
Seattleview | 11:58 p.m. Sept. 23, 2009
This is exactly what I have said before.
MWC should add Boise Start and get rid of Wyoming in a deal with the BCS to get an automatic bid. The conference would really improve if they could do that.
MWC should add Boise Start and get rid of Wyoming in a deal with the BCS to get an automatic bid. The conference would really improve if they could do that.
Anonymous | 1:28 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
I really like Chad's idea with adding Houston, Fresno and BSU. Makes alot
of sense.
SportsBiz | 8:17 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
Talk about taking out the Big East all you want but it will happen just about as
soon as you will see a 120 team playoff. The Big East encompasses one-fourth of
the nation's media markets, including the big one, NYC, and there is
absolutely no way the BCS Commissioners and Presidents, the ones who run the
thing, are about to let that get away. Remember the BCS was set up to
accomplish only two things: maintain control over the bowls and post-season
money by the BCS Six conferences and set up a championship game between the
number one and two teams at the end of the year. There is no other reason,
everything else is just noise.
Utah Mann | 9:29 a.m. Sept. 24, 2009
BSU will get an invite, probably this offseason, or the next. The reason they
will wait is because it helps the MWC. BSU's record will count in the
evaluation of the MWC vs the Big East. Personally, I can't stand the BSU
fans, but they would be a great addition to the MWC. One stipulation that
Thompson should require of BSU is that they lose the smurf turf, it is
embarassing.
Ultimately BSU will help our conference. I hat to admit it but they are a great team, in a weak conference. Bring them to the MWC and they will consistantly be in the top 3.
GO UTES Let's have some Cardinal for dinner on Saturday.
Ultimately BSU will help our conference. I hat to admit it but they are a great team, in a weak conference. Bring them to the MWC and they will consistantly be in the top 3.
GO UTES Let's have some Cardinal for dinner on Saturday.
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