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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 15 2009 1:11 a.m. MDT

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Rallytime

Where are your champions, locals? The ones that swore to stop the federal interference a scant few weeks ago? Oh, that's right, they're busy doing their cushy federal jobs. The posturing and lip-service is sickening, isn't it?

I hope y'all win, btw. Should you, please don't abuse it.

Geezer

If San Juan County succeeds in this ripoff, it will mean county commissioners all over the West will have a veto over the National Park Service's decisions about roads in every national park.

Hey Geezer

Its the feds who are blatantly attempting a land grab at the public's expense. No fed has the authority to usurp control of a road they deeded out of federal ownership years ago.

Arch

Mr Welch seems should reread the NPS mission:
The "Organic Act" of August 25, 1916, states that "the Service thus established shall promote and regulate the use of Federal areas known as national parks, monuments and reservations...purpose is to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations."
Lets hope the judge is wise enough to consider the implications of the issue upon the entire national park system (read "national" not "local").

Feds should have nothing

Our federal government has been given power little by little until we THINK it's ok for them to do things to us, by us, and for us.

Read the constitution of the US. The feds have no business having ANY authority over lands, PERIOD!

Abominous

I remember jeeping to Angel Arch as a kid in the early 60s. There was no road. We just drove down the stream bed, occasionally leaving that to bash over the stream-side vegetation. The fact that we were NOT on a road was a major part of the adventure.

How little we knew back then. When I think of the many thousands of people that have made that same trip in more recent times, it makes me sick.

In any case, the notion that there was a "road" there in continuous use for at least 10 years prior to 1976 (the legal standard for county ownership) is ridiculous.

Geezer

The Salt Creek route was never deeded to the county. It has been continuously in federal ownership. Congress designated the area as a national park in 1964, with the strong support of Utah's congressional delegation. I sincerely doubt the San Juan county commissioners ever heard of RS 2477 until many years later, when some ORV folks claimed it was their magic bullet to undo conservation laws.

Dissappointed

that the State of Utah is party to this action and would actually attempt to lay claim to a road within the park.

Rural Guy

We would appreciate it if the feds would turn tail and get out of our backyard. We didn't invite them and neither does the Constitution.

Nathan

Jeeping down a stream bed to angel arch sounds like fun. I hope the county wins!! I could use an adventure! What good is Angel Arch if nobody gets to see it?

To Feds should have nothing

Perhaps you need to reread the Constitution yourself. Particularly Article IV Section 3 Paragraph two which states:

"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State."

Anonymous

Those who want the feds out, who's going to pay for everything you are enjoying? Poverty in rural Utah (and for the entire state) would shoot way up if the feds did what you want. Or are you hypocrites, demanding they leave but want federal dollars to stuff in your pocket?

Chris

I don't like the Feds dictating policy in most land / road situations, but I also don't mind some places being preserved from off-road travel. It seems anymore you can't find a place where an ATV hasn't been. I think there are plenty of places to drive your jeep, motorcycle, and ATV, but fewer and fewer places that require the effort and reward that come from a good hike. Open the road, call Angel Arch paradise, and suddenly paradise isn't as appealing. Just my .02 cents.

Feds to Utahns

Get back on your city reservations and into your little human coops. The Rulers have spoken.

Utahn

Nathan, try hiking there. I did. Public access does not mean Jeep access.

Cats

As a resident of San Juan County I'm sick to death of the Feds controlling everythng here. I hope the County wins big time. And I hope it has wider implications for the nation as a whole.

As a former resident of Washington, D.C. I can tell you that the Federal Government is way too powerful and insensitive to the needs of rural America.

I can also tell you that people in San Juan County love and reverence Canyonlands and all the other scenic places in the area. They have no wish to destroy them.

I hope the County and the State win.

swalbr

san juan county...you are not free...you live in a society...you want freedom? move to somalia or afghanistan, otherwise follow the rules or pay the cosequences...

Angie

I don't believe the government had the right to close that road. Sometimes they are way too controlling. The use of the land belongs to the people who live in that area.

Another Geezer...It is lost !!!

My view also goes back into the 50s and 60s when we took our Jeeps and kids there. For all I know we opened that road. Elephant Hill and rest of it also.
Those were good times and it was enjoyed by the locals and Utah people in general.

TODAT, the area is notning like it used to be. Enviornmentalists have made the area famous, like other parts of the state. It is impacted by people from all over the world. One can not even find a room to sleep in in Moab. It is all over folks, the FEDS and bikers have taken it over. It is lost!

Anonymous

It's time to take our lands and rights back from the Feds. It seems that the guise of "Protection" has been the Fed's primary tool for seizing power and taking away life and liberty from the citizens of these United States for several decades now. I've had enough, haven't you?

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