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Mormons work with other faiths at California food bank

Misleading Title | 1:15 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

This story has nothing to do nor mentions a 'coalition of faiths'. This is nothing more than a pat on the back and a big hey look how good we are story. These stories get a little old.

SFC RET DENNIS | 8:53 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

What puzzles me is that we are taught to do good without looking for a pat on the back at Misleading Title said, when you do the work of our Lord you do it because you do serve and help others as Jesus would do if he were here, we should not be looking for the approval of man.
We should be helping others because it is the right thing to do and not for glory.

RE: SFC RET DENNIS | 9:09 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

The Christian motive and the Mormon motive are different Christians are motivated by appreciation of God's love the Mormon agenda is the Gospel of works I agree with you

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Jerseygirl | 9:27 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

I am replying to "Misleading Title". Your comment shows alot of hostitility towards men and woman of the LDS faith. I would encourage you to go back and read the story again, maybe you will learn a valuale lesson on how to soften your heart and to learn as much as you can about people before making judgements. The good men and woman at "Loaves and Fishes" may have had ill feelings or MISCONSEPTIONS about the LDS people but it seems that after getting to know what the LDS people are all about they realized that they are all trying to do whatever they can to love, help, uplift and encourage each other on this journey. I would ask that as you read articles about any help that any religion is giving that you would do it with gratitude that there are still people in this world willing to help and not look at it with hostility already in place. There are individuals in every religion that make mistakes but it's an individual mistake and not the mistake of the religion as a whole. Try not to be so hostile, you will feel better about life as a whole.

Jerseygirl | 9:49 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

I don't get why some people refer to "Mormons" as non-Christian. A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus is the Christ and accepts Him as their personal Savior and the Son of God. Members of the LDS faith accept Christ as their Savior and know that He is the Son of God!

Anonymous | 10:00 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

"The Christian motive and the Mormon motive are different Christians are motivated by appreciation of God's love the Mormon agenda is the Gospel of works I agree with you."

What a judgmental bunch of egotistical comments. Do you personally know every single Mormon well enough to know for certain that he/she is motivated by worldly glory rather than out of genuine charity and compassion? Then stop criticizing a good thing and find better things to do with your time, like helping others.

RE: Jerseygirl | 10:15 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

True Christian sevice is s serving in Jesus' name,not the name of the Church. Atheist, Buddhists and Mormons can do good work,but their motivation is different than a Christian. When the body of Christ comes together it is for a common goal to serve Jesus not the: Lutheran,Baptist,Salvation Army,non-denominational or Catholic church.

RE: Anonymous | 10:58 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

I do not know what individual Mormons beleive,but I know what their doctrine is: "Christ,the Firsborn,was the mightiest of all the spirit children of the Father."(Mormon Doctrine Bruce R. McConkie. p 590) (John 1:1) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Christian beleive Jesus is God.
If the Mormon motive is not the ""restored Gospel", rid yourself of the BoM.

Bill Baumgardner Sr. | 11:34 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

Ha Ha! Anyone that even tries to accuse our Church of seeking popularity for the $Millions of $$$$$ given around the world has rocks in their skull's full of mush! The Church gets NO recognition from the media & does not seek it. You people are either stupid or just plain liars!. Now "IF" you print this, it will be a miracle, 'cause for some reason you hate truth.

Jerseygirl | 11:40 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

Again, a Christian is someone who accepts Christ as their personal Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is a Christian religion. I agree that a true Christian serves in Jesus' name and that is what the LDS church does. It is not the "church" that is putting out these articles or a spokesperson for the LDS church either. I know personally when I serve it is because of the love I have for the person and not because I feel I owe it to my church. I owe it to Christ! To whoever wrote that the "Mormon agenda" is the gospel of works.... As a "Mormon" I will shed some light on my belief... We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ after all we can do. Meaning that I need to be the best person I can, not that my works will save me. It is only through Christ that I am saved but I need to be the best I can because I am accountable to Him! Please don't criticize something if you don't fully understand what it means!

Anonymous | 11:52 a.m. Sept. 8, 2009

"In 1992, Kristina Manning approached the 'Loaves & Fishes' organization and asked to be a volunteer. But Manning, a new LDS convert, was turned down."

Question, who had the "Christian motive," the one who wanted to volunteer to serve or the ones who turned her away? Is there a "Christian motive" in refusing to take in one more person to help the needy?

I hope there's more to that story.

Jerseygirl | 12:18 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

Mormons are all about the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, that is correct:). As a "Mormon", I believe that God is the Father of our spirits. He is the Father of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Jesus is also a God because of who His Father is and because of all He has done for mankind that no other person can ever do. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share what my beliefs are as a Christian in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

John Pack Lambert | 2:15 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

Loaves and Fishes is clearly made of many people from multiple faiths. Unlike some of the comentators here, they do not presume to say that someone who believes that God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are "one God" is a non-Chrisitan.
There is another disturbing aspect in some of these comments. The Book of Mormon is another testimate of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon makes it so we remain firmly grounded in belief as Jesus Christ as the literal son of God, born of a virgin, dieing on Calvary and rising again on the third day. Are Protestant Ministers who deney Jesus' literal virgin birth Chrisitan? is my question to people who want to deney the Christianity of Latter-day Saints. More discussion requires an answer to that question.
Mormons teach that "Jesus Christ was the Jehovah of the old testament". This is why any Mormon who says that any passage in exodus implies that God has a physical body does not understand theology. Of course exodus does indicate God has a body with "parts", but because that is the pre-mortal Jesus, he did not have a physical body.

A Christian | 2:42 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Who are you to decide what the "motive" behind someone's acts are? And what does it matter anyway? Salvation is something personal, between a person and their saviour, Jesus Christ. He is the only one who can judge the difference between true christian service and service to gain recognition of the world.

Even then, what does it matter? If your doing service to be recognized by Christ, your still doing it for the wrong reasons. Charity is truly caring for your neighbor as yourself, and you serve them because you want to do it, cause its the right thing to do.

What does it matter? Service, by nature, is about those who have been served, not those doing the serving. Regardless of the motivations of the service giver, one who was in need was cared for, and we should all be happy for that.

Remember this: What we despise in others is almost always what we despise in ourselves...

Marvin | 3:15 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

It is almost laughable how ignorant some mormons can be of there own teaching and history of the church.

Re:Marvin | 3:52 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

Care to elaborate on that?

Anonymous | 4:15 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

When some people hears one version of what LDS are supposed to believe, which isn't official and most likely wrong, then when they hear the official version of what LDS actually do believe they cry out: "Learning Mormon doctrine is like nailing Jell-O to a wall!"

Sorry it's not what you want it to be.

Fellow Mormons, many of us are often guilty of the same thing.

RE : Christian | 4:16 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

"Judge not,that ye be not Judged." (Mt 7:1)Verse 5,this is about Hypocites. (Mt 7:15-20) Jesus is warning about false and true teaching.
(MT 7:20) "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know."
Fruits can be teaching or doctrine,Christians judge Mormonism by their doctrines(fruit)and as a Christian I have the right to be fruit inspector.
The OT has two books called Judges,Jesus tell us to make a right judgement. I understand Mormonism, I am Married to a Mormon

RE: Jerseygirl | 5:40 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

The Bible (Ephesians 2:8-9) God become man not man becomes God., or CS Lewis; God begets God,Man begets man,but God creates man."Mere Christianity
(Jude 6 )..."kept not their first estate=(arche)*
The Greek word (arche)* means position, authority or rule. The angels loss thier position or rule and fell."fallen angels' see (Abraham 3:27) this had nothing to do with mortal pre-existence,but Joseph mis-undesrstood the verse.

Jerseygirl | 6:11 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

the last comment to "Re:Jerseygirl" WHAT????? I don't think your comment has anything to do with what I said. So it makes no sense to me.

John Pack Lambert | 7:31 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

Well, to the 5:40 and 6:11 commentator, Jerseygirl you are right, the guy threw out issues with no precedent. However, it appears that one of his arguments is that we are not the Spirit Children of Heavenly Father.
The question in context is, can you be a true follower of Jesus Christ if you believe we have immoratal Spirits that existed before birth?
I think it is those who wish to call us un-Christian who have to prove that somehow the fact that we believe that Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament, the one who spoke to Moses and gave the law and many other things, was the only begoten son of God, was the only perfect man, was the Messiah, lived a perfect law, made an infinite and eternal sacrifice that paid the debt of every sin ever committed, died on the cross and rose on the third day, they have to show that somehow even though Jesus Christ is the very center of our doctrine, that we take the emblems of his suffering in our weekly meetings, that we do all ordinances in his name, we are still not Christian.

Best Comment I've Ever Read... | 7:39 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

"I understand Mormonism, I am Married to a Mormon"

Really? Try that logic with this:

I understand Women, I am married to a Woman.
I understand the Law, I am married to a Lawyer.
I understand Diabetes, I am married to a Diabetic.

Stop the insanity!!!

Chris D.

Jerseygirl | 8:08 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

To John Lambert, Thank you I thought I was losing it because I didn't understand where that comment at 5:40 was coming from. And to Chris D., I agree this is getting out of control. But your point was right on and very funny:) Good night to all:)

Jerseygirl | 8:18 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

My last comment got lost so here goes....John, thank you, I was totally lost by that comment from 5:40. Chris D. You are right on and that was very funny: Thanks

shawilli | 8:39 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

I am pleased to learn that the LDS are rolling up their sleeves and going to work to help others quietly and without fanfare. I am pleased to learn that the LDS church is making inroads into changing long held misconceptions about our church by other faith groups. The work we have to do in regards to gaining peoples trust is going to take years, but with the passage of time most people will know us for our works rather than our words. The LDS have always been the leader when it come to having the best welfare system of any church, it is nice to see them reach out and share that wealth of information with others. The future is bright only when feeling of mistrust and hate are cast aside and replaced with love and being willing to look at what we have in common and building on that sure and solid foundation.

kenny | 9:01 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

The reason we read articles such as this is to encourage all latter day saints to make a effort to give this type of service.It is not about tooting ones horn.I go to the bishops storehouse and put in some time there.I've never seen one person walk out of there after serving, "Toot" the horn.Non latter day saints will only see what suits them and its not to make the church members look good.That is for sure.

Jemmy | 10:07 p.m. Sept. 8, 2009

Anyone who has lived in secular Europe can see how silly it is for people of differing faiths to be arguing with each other about which faith is better. People of faith, let alone people each professing loyalty to Jesus, have far more in common with each other than they do with nearly anyone in Europe, the former USSR, China or Japan. Most people in these countries or areas are atheist or at least agnostic and think ALL people of faith are looney.

LDS are indeed Christians if they claim to follow the teachings of Christ. It is possible for nearly anyone to make an argument from scripture to support his or her standpoint. Who says evangelicals get to decide who is Christian or who isn't? I'm sure Christ wouldn't turn away any earnest servant regardless of affiliation.

RE; Best comment I ever read | 8:04 a.m. Sept. 9, 2009

I was a Mormon, I left the Church,When I studied Greek, I realized Josesph mis-understood many verses in the KJV. I am married to a Mormon,(35 years)my point is I am not anti-Mormon.

Anonymous | 9:48 a.m. Sept. 9, 2009

So, what do the Greek studies say about the fate of those who die without hearing about Christ?

Nick | 11:02 a.m. Sept. 9, 2009

To Anonymous,

"what do the Greek studies say about the fate of those who die without hearing about Christ?"

"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead."

re:Nick | 12:29 p.m. Sept. 9, 2009

Good, we're getting somewhere. What I'm wondering is what you believe will happen to those people in the eternities.

Me? I believe everyone has to do the same things to be saved, and everyone will get the same fair chance. I believe God is fair.

Nick | 12:04 p.m. Sept. 10, 2009

To re:Nick,

Your beliefs are irrelevant. Truth is all that matters. Mormon speculation is worthless.

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